(Rumor) DE Jason Taylor Expected 2 Leave B4 Draft
 

I heard John Clayton say this on ESPN Saturday night Bill is seriously cleaning house but I thought he should've been the only one they kept guess not huh? And no I'm not saying go after him but why cut him if no one is willing to trade 4 him he still has 3 or more good years in him I don't understand unless he cost a lot but even then he should've been cut before the free agency started right?

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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3273442"]Or Not[/URL]

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John Clayton was just reporting what Yahoo! Sports said...which Bill Parcells has since denied

My guess is if the right offer comes along though, Parcells won't say no. Though I imagine Taylor has some say on where he'd be traded to.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3273442&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines]ESPN - Parcells discounts talk of Taylor's departure, expects Pro Bowler to return - NFL[/url]

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Jason Taylor does not fit Parcell's 3-4 scheme. Taylor is strictly a 4-3 pass rush DE. Parcells like his DL to be run stoppers and occupy the offensive linemen so his LB's make the plays. Taylor is not built for that.

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^^ you're exactly right, he's pretty much in the same position Andre Carter was in coming out of San Fran.. The only way Taylor would fit that would be to move him to a LB, and I DONT see that happening.

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JLC Blog, he mentions this would be a name to watch? We'll see.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

Posted at 11:10 PM ET, 03/ 1/2008
Still Very Quiet

Despite reports to the contrary, multiple sources say the Skins did not make any real push for Lance Briggs; in fact, Chicago was his strong suitor by a mile.

Skins watchiing the DJ Hackett market, and with WRs drying up it will be interesting to see if they make a play in the next 48 hours should he still be sitting there.

I still think the trade market could be their MO at some point. Jason Taylor would be a name to watch, no doubt.

Hope you all are having a great weekend.

Cheers.

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This, just like Sheppard, is speculation on JLC's part. I'd rather give a vet min, incentive laden contract to Jevon Kearse than trade mutliple picks for Jason Taylor.

Understand that I'm not saying I want Kearse, just saying if I had to choose...

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Why does the title of this thread look like it was written by Master Chief? 2 leave? b4? I feel like someones trying to send me a text message.

Anyway Parcells is great at bullshitting. "I'm not going to the Jets" "I'm retired!" Personally I don't take what he says at face value. However that might be enough to keep him in Miami. The next step would be for Jason Taylor to demand a trade.

I really want him to come to the Redskins, so I'm hoping that Taylor becomes a winey premadonna within the next month.

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Taylor has to focus on Dancing with the Stars first

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JLC is a Redskin insider only when the powers that be allow for him to be. It's funny to me that people think that he has lots of secret connections to the pulse of the front office because it's just not true. Like I've said before JLC works for the Post and Dan Snyder and the Post have a horrible relationship so it would make sense that JLC would not have access to many of the goings on behind closed doors at Redskins Park. I think La Canfora's blog needs to be renamed to Not Really A Redskins Insider at All.

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[quote=Defensewins;428205]Jason Taylor does not fit Parcell's 3-4 scheme. Taylor is strictly a 4-3 pass rush DE. Parcells like his DL to be run stoppers and occupy the offensive linemen so his LB's make the plays. Taylor is not built for that.[/quote]

Parcells isn't coaching the D though is he? I don't know a lot about what's going on there, but is he in charge of what defense they're going to run or is that the new defensive coordinator (they got one?)?

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;428226]JLC is a Redskin insider only when the powers that be allow for him to be. It's funny to me that people think that he has lots of secret connections to the pulse of the front office because it's just not true. Like I've said before JLC works for the Post and Dan Snyder and the Post have a horrible relationship so it would make sense that JLC would not have access to many of the goings on behind closed doors at Redskins Park. I think La Canfora's blog needs to be renamed to Not Really A Redskins Insider at All.[/QUOTE]

Well some of his biggest connections (if not his biggest) on the team are gone. He, like anyone else in the biz, is right sometimes and he's wrong sometimes.

But people just need to learn how to read. JLC is just saying he think Taylor is someone to keep an eye on. He makes no allusion to the Redskins being interested. When he wants to, whether his source is reliable or not, he will say something like "League sources say..." or "A source inside the Redskins says..."

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I dont think any rumors will be enough to clean him outta Miami. He's 60% of their D.

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I don't seem him going anywhere either. He still has several miles on his tires, and he's got to be in the top 5 DE's in the leauge.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;428229]Parcells isn't coaching the D though is he? I don't know a lot about what's going on there, but is he in charge of what defense they're going to run or is that the new defensive coordinator (they got one?)?[/QUOTE]

good point he isn't coaching so there went that theory

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[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;428241]good point he isn't coaching so there went that theory[/QUOTE]

Yeah, seriously. Bill Parcells doesn't have a scheme for the Dolphins. His scheme is to acquire players, not coordinate the defense or coach the team...

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[quote=Defensewins;428205]Jason Taylor does not fit Parcell's 3-4 scheme. Taylor is strictly a 4-3 pass rush DE. Parcells like his DL to be run stoppers and occupy the offensive linemen so his LB's make the plays. Taylor is not built for that.[/quote]

Wasn't he Defensive Player of the Year two years ago while playing in a hybrid 3-4 ... often as a stand up OLB? Maybe I'm wrong, don't follow the Fins particularly closely, but I'm pretty sure that is correct.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;428247]Wasn't he Defensive Player of the Year two years ago while playing in a hybrid 3-4 ... often as a stand up OLB? Maybe I'm wrong, don't follow the Fins particularly closely, but I'm pretty sure that is correct.[/QUOTE]


Yup

[QUOTE]Saban has overhauled the defense, installing 3-4 packages that will feature three-time Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor as a hybrid end-linebacker.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/dolphins/2005-06-13-saban-miami_x.htm]USATODAY.com - First-year coach Saban tackles rebuilding of Dolphins[/url]

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i wouldnt want to give up picks for him.

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[QUOTE=Meks;428405]i wouldnt want to give up picks for him.[/QUOTE]


exactlyyyyy

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To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;428418]To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?[/QUOTE]


yeah, of course.. if it's automatic... but this isn't automatic.

He could very well come here and flop.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;428418]To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?[/QUOTE]

Do you think that's what it would be?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;428418]To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?[/QUOTE]

He's 33 years old. Jason Taylor is a great player, but it's highly unlikely he'll be racking up double digit sacks when he's 37. Trading first day picks for young, emerging players isn't a bad idea. Trading first day picks for 33 year old players is rarely, if ever, a good idea.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;428418]To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?[/quote]
Or you could draft a guy to be good for the next 10 years. Maybe trading would work if we were one player away from the Super Bowl, but we're not. We need to build through the draft to replace our old and high priced players like Daniels, Griffin, Springs, Washington, etc.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;428422]He's 33 years old. Jason Taylor is a great player, but it's highly unlikely he'll be racking up double digit sacks when he's 37. Trading first day picks for young, emerging players isn't a bad idea. Trading first day picks for 33 year old players is rarely, if ever, a good idea.[/quote]

He is 33, yes, but he's not maintaining a 300 pound frame year round (or any part of the year for that matter). Most scouts consider him skinny (comparitively) which tells me that he has the perfect size for his frame. He's also capable of playing the left or right side. Also since becoming a full time starter he's missed one game, and that was back in 1999.

Michael Strahan is not nearly as durable as Taylor yet in the last two years he (Strahan) played 16 games he's gotten 11.5 and 9 sacks respectively. Remember Strahan is about 3 years older then Taylor. Taylor also keeps himself in great shape year round while Strahan contemplates retirement and his newly found bachlorhood.

I say that when you look at Taylor you see a 29 year old player. Not the 33 year old guy that he really is. 3 or 4 productive years for a second round pick is worth it to me.

I explained it a little better in my blog but this post is the jist of how I feel about a potential JT trade.

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Suppose what you're saying is true. Don't you think the Dolphins are going to say "Look at what some other D-linemen are getting. Regardless of their age, none have done even half of what Taylor has done in his career. We're going to need a couple of first day picks" Just a third round pick probably won't cut it.

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Also, I have a bad feeling Jason Taylor might have a Simeon Rice-esque fall

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[quote=SmootSmack;428426]Suppose what you're saying is true. Don't you think the Dolphins are going to say "Look at what some other D-linemen are getting. Regardless of their age, none have done even half of what Taylor has done in his career. We're going to need a couple of first day picks" Just a third round pick probably won't cut it.[/quote]

Damn Smootsmack, you sure know how to crush a mans dream of having two double digit sack masters on his favorite team :(

I think you might be right about the asking for two draft picks scenario, however Jason Taylor contemplating retirement could make the Dolphins more then happy to accept a late 2nd round pick. The good news is that, if I remember correctly, Rogers and Stroud were dealt for no higher then a 3rd round pic and those two weren't neraly as unhappy as Taylor is with their respective teams.

If the Dolphins ask for two picks in the first 3 rounds in exchange for Tyalor then I draw the line. However that kind of player for a 2nd or 3rd is to tempting for me to pass up.

However if a trade does take place God forbid he gets injured, since that seems to be the main cause of Rice's recent fall from grace. Remember to knock on wood for the sake of warding off evil spirits as that seems to frighten them.

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[quote=Dirtyskin21;428419]yeah, of course.. if it's automatic... but this isn't automatic.

He could very well come here and flop.[/quote]

I...I said could, don't put words in my mouth 21 :D

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parcells won't trade taylor unless its a crazy offer (for a 33 DE that can still play).

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;428422]He's 33 years old. Jason Taylor is a great player, but it's highly unlikely he'll be racking up double digit sacks when he's 37. Trading first day picks for young, emerging players isn't a bad idea. Trading first day picks for 33 year old players is rarely, if ever, a good idea.[/QUOTE]



Thank you, thats what im saying.. It's not like he's on the upside of his career, yes he made the pro-bowl in miami but hes coming to a more competitve team now and We have a player almost exactly like him but younger in Carter. we need someone else off that edge , or a big ol DT.

To be honest, I dont see ANY player in the league that is over 31 and is worth trading 1 pick for, much less 2.

He ont be as productive wherever he goes, you heard it here first

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either way he has a few years left in him, he wants to be part of a competitive team... i think he is top 5 de no doubt, but for us, trading 2 picks for him wont be worth it IMO... BUT ... i do dis-agree with the thought of him falling off next season.