Redskins Deny Bryant Johnson Visit Scheduled
 

"Johnson is definitely interested in the Bills as a potential employer. Advantages for the Bills, they have a #2 WR role open for the taking. Receivers coach Tyke Tolbert was his receivers coach in Arizona his rookie year so there's some familiarity there.

The only negative is Johnson does have another visit scheduled and it's with the Redskins."

[url=http://www.buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?post_id=3056]Inside the Bills Homepage - Buffalo Bills[/url]

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After looking at some freaking stats, what does Johnson have over Reche Caldwell besides 2 inches (insert joke here)?

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Oh man, that'd be sweet to get him. He's young and tall.

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As said above though, Caldwell is only two inches shorter and also young.

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[QUOTE=Soup's Uncle;428542]Oh man, that'd be sweet to get him. He's young and tall.[/QUOTE]

So is Kwame Brown. :)

Sorry, I know what you meant but I couldn't resist.. I'd like to have either Johnson or Hackett in maroon and black by the end of the week.

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I think this guy is a perfect fit for our us right now. He has put up respectable numbers being the 3rd WR behind two pro bowlers in Az.

He's got the size at 6'3 215 and I hope we make a major push for him in the visit. Looks like Skins his top choice b/c like Vinny said if you let them leave without signing them they're gone!

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Nothing to back it up but I've thought this would be a good move for a while now. He seems like more of a physical presence than Caldwell. We need a red zone receiving threat to take the pressure off of Cooley.

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Interesting but has anything been confirmed by the Redskins?

This guy really doesn't excite me much, but as long as the price is right I'd be ok with it.

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Think about our starting offense with Johnson:

Campbell, Portis, Sellers, Betts

Solid O' Line with Jansen and Thomas back makes us a great squad.

Moss, Randle El, and Johnson with Cooley at Tight End.

Why drop major coin on anyone else in FA?

The draft will give us depth on the O' line and hope to pick up a great Defensive player or two.....

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;428549]Nothing to back it up but I've thought this would be a good move for a while now. He seems like more of a physical presence than Caldwell. We need a red zone receiving threat to take the pressure off of Cooley.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean just today I decided there's no one on the free agent market that excites me as far as wide receivers go. THIS is if we're just looking for tall wide receivers. I thought that was the original goal right?

Hackett is 6'2". Johnson is 6'2" as well (could be wrong according to a post above). I'm definitely wait and see on Mix, but right now I REALLY want to draft one after our first round pick. Cheap and could work out just as easily as Hackett or Johnson.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;428540]After looking at some freaking stats, what does Johnson have over Reche Caldwell besides 2 inches (insert joke here)?[/quote]

LOL! We don't need this guy. He's a first round bust. Penn State WR's rarely turn out to be good pro's. Someone is going to overpay for him and I hope it's not us. I'd rather have Hackett.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;428540]After looking at some freaking stats, what does Johnson have over Reche Caldwell besides 2 inches (insert joke here)?[/QUOTE]

"Insert Joke Here"...that's what she said! Zing!!

Seriously though, if we want a number 2 to complement Santana Moss then I think Reche Caldwell is just fine.

But if we're looking for a #1 WR then we probably need to push a trade for Johnson or Roy Williams.

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[quote=skinsfan69;428554]LOL! We don't need this guy. He's a first round bust. Penn State WR's rarely turn out to be good pro's. Someone is going to overpay for him and I hope it's not us.[I][B] I'd rather have Hackett.[/B][/I][/quote]

My question is why? They've had similar stats and Caldwell has been healthier than Hackett. I'm not saying either should be a number one, must like SS is saying. But I'm thinking let's not waste money on people like Hackett or Johnson in free agency and let's talk about the draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;428556][I][B]"Insert Joke Here"[/B][/I]...that's what she said! Zing!!

Seriously though, if we want a number 2 to complement Santana Moss then I think Reche Caldwell is just fine.

But if we're looking for a #1 WR then we probably need to push a trade for Johnson or Roy Williams.[/quote]

I guess two inches shorter WOULD be a joke! ;)

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;428540]After looking at some freaking stats, what does Johnson have over Reche Caldwell besides 2 inches (insert joke here)?[/QUOTE]

In my mind Johnson has a little more upside. He is stuck behind 2 pro bowlers in Arizona. I wouldn't mind Johnson, but I would still rather try and get a trade for a true #1 WR.

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I'm sorry folks, but I can't understand how anyone thinks that Reche Caldwell is a legit number 2. I think we often get blinded by our own players. I don't know anyone who has ever heard of Mike Espy if he isn't a member of this board. I'm excited to see what Mix can do too, but I don't think that we should stand pat at wide out. Caldwell is mediocre at best, Mix and Espy (last year's darling) have shown absolutely nothing.

I'm not advocating by Bryant Johnson, but the Skins need another receiver. There is no one on the roster who I would consider to be a legit number 1, Moss can't stay healthy and Randle El is at best a number 2, Caldwell has never had more than 760 receiving yards. His second highest total? 352! I don't know what about his 141 yards and no touchdowns suggests he should be number 2 ahead of Randle El, but I have no faith in a Moss (who might play his average 11 games), Caldwell, Randle El, and (insert former practice squad player here) receiving corps. This team needs another wide out. I'm not sure that I care where to get him, but they gotta get one.

I, personally, would pursue Javon Walker if he's healthy and not too pricey. If he has an incentive laden contract, I would be all about because, when he's healthy and motivated, he's a great football player.

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I thought Hackett was somewhat injury prone?

If that's the case then how would he compliment the personnel we have now? We've already got two wideouts that borderline commit suicide every time they go over the middle. I'd rather have a sure handed, physical number two that can free up ARE and SM to do what they do best, make the big play.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;428559]My question is why? They've had similar stats and Caldwell has been healthier than Hackett. I'm not saying either should be a number one, must like SS is saying. But I'm thinking let's not waste money on people like Hackett or Johnson in free agency and let's talk about the draft.[/quote]TMC, post the stats! If this is true let's keep Caldwell. What I saw in Hackett in the playoff game is a budding star, a playmaker. Caldwell's game didn't impress me the same. If Caldwell doesn't sign elsewhere (Is he the same highly coveted FA WR as Hackett and Johnson?) by all means, bring him back.

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[QUOTE=celts32;428562]In my mind Johnson has a little more upside. He is stuck behind 2 pro bowlers in Arizona. I wouldn't mind Johnson, but I would still rather try and get a trade for a true #1 WR.[/QUOTE]

But he started 15 games in the past two years and didn't exactly set the world on fire. And, as I've mentioned before, why is he stuck behind those guys anyway? Not to take anything away from him but he was a high first round pick wasn't he? So I'm not saying he's a bust by any means...but shouldn't there be a bit of a higher standard for such a high pick?

I'm sure he'll be a fine complement but I don't know that he's so much better than what we currently have, yet his contract would likely say otherwise.

As for Walker, yeah when he's healthy and motivated he's great. Question is will he be healthy and can he stay motivated.

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[quote=jdlea;428565]I'm sorry folks, but I can't understand how anyone thinks that Reche Caldwell is a legit number 2. I think we often get blinded by our own players. I don't know anyone who has ever heard of Mike Espy if he isn't a member of this board. I'm excited to see what Mix can do too, but I don't think that we should stand pat at wide out. Caldwell is mediocre at best, Mix and Espy (last year's darling) have shown absolutely nothing.

I[B][I]'m not advocating by Bryant Johnson, but the Skins need another receiver. There is no one on the roster who I would consider to be a legit number 1, Moss can't stay healthy and Randle El is at best a number 2[/I][/B], Caldwell has never had more than 760 receiving yards. His second highest total? 352! I don't know what about his 141 yards and no touchdowns suggests he should be number 2 ahead of Randle El, but I have no faith in a Moss (who might play his average 11 games), Caldwell, Randle El, and (insert former practice squad player here) receiving corps. This team needs another wide out. I'm not sure that I care where to get him, but they gotta get one.

I, personally, would pursue Javon Walker if he's healthy and not too pricey. If he has an incentive laden contract, I would be all about because, when he's healthy and motivated, he's a great football player.[/quote]

But do you think we go after a number one or someone like Hackett or Johnson? Because pretty much our only options are breaking the bank for Walker (which we most likely would do considering his past track record) or trying to trade some draft picks to get another huge contract. Just this year I don't even think it's an option...

While I don't think Caldwell is a Pro Bowler by any means, I think he proved that he was sure handed and ran some great routes when given the chance. I'm saying a three to four year deal and see what the cap space we're left with gives us next year or the year after when we start to see some breathing room...

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;428567]TMC, post the stats! If this is true let's keep Caldwell. What I saw in Hackett in the playoff game is a budding star, a playmaker. Caldwell's game didn't impress me the same. If Caldwell doesn't sign elsewhere (Is he the same highly coveted FA WR as Hackett and Johnson?) by all means, bring him back.[/QUOTE]

Caldwell:
Best season: 45 catches, 760 yards, 4 TD's, 16 Games
Worst season: 8 catches, 80 yards, 0 TD's, 9 Games
Career (5 seasons): 152 catches, 1851 yards, 11 TD's, 12.2 avg
Age: 28

Hackett:
Best season: 45 catches, 610 yards, 4 TD's, 14 Games
Worst season: 32 catches, 384 yards, 3 TD's, 6 Games
Career (3 seasons): 105 catches, 1394 yards, 9 TD's, 13.3 Avg
Age: 26

*I didn't feel like giving everything

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[quote=EXoffender;428567]TMC, post the stats! If this is true let's keep Caldwell. [I][B]What I saw in Hackett in the playoff game is a budding star, a playmaker.[/B][/I] Caldwell's game didn't impress me the same. If Caldwell doesn't sign elsewhere (Is he the same highly coveted FA WR as Hackett and Johnson?) by all means, bring him back.[/quote]

Reche Caldwell:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3576]ESPN - Reche Caldwell Stats, News, Photos - Washington Redskins - NFL Football[/url]

DJ Hackett:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5682]ESPN - D.J. Hackett Stats, News, Photos - Seattle Seahawks - NFL Football[/url]

Again, similar stats. And one game does not an all star make. Much like one game does not a "bust" make (in Caldwell's case).

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Also, in case this thread gets too long, this isn't me saying that Caldwell is going to be our savior at WR. I think he would be a nice addition for depth and someone to make a few key catches.

For those that think we need a true number one, we simply don't have the cap to make it happen this year. But then again, I've been surprised before...

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;428570]But do you think we go after a number one or someone like Hackett or Johnson? Because pretty much our only options are breaking the bank for Walker (which we most likely would do considering his past track record) or trying to trade some draft picks to get another huge contract. Just this year I don't even think it's an option...

While I don't think Caldwell is a Pro Bowler by any means, I think he proved that he was sure handed and ran some great routes when given the chance. I'm saying a three to four year deal and see what the cap space we're left with gives us next year or the year after when we start to see some breathing room...[/QUOTE]

I don't know that anyone will be breaking the bank for Walker, but given the state of NFL free agency, I could be very surprised. If it's going to take more than $4-$5 mil a year for 3 years with Walker, I don't want him, but I'd give him that much.

I'd rather draft a guy in round 1 or 2 and have him be the number 2 and let Caldwell be number 4. Problem is, I don't think Caldwell can play teams, so that's left to Mix. It's not an easy situation, but I don't believe not getting a receiver is an option. I could see them drafting Harris from MSU or Manningham and be relatively pleased. I would rather have Limas Sweed, but my feeling is they can't stand pat...

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I'd bring him in.................for the veteran minimum!

Obviously if we can bring him in for the $2-$3 million dollar range then I think he would be worth a look. And considering that Michael Turner got $5 million a year to play starting tailback for the Falcons then $2-$3 million is definately a possibility IMO.

[quote=SmootSmack;428569]But he started 15 games in the past two years and didn't exactly set the world on fire. And, as I've mentioned before, why is he stuck behind those guys anyway?

.[/quote]

Well in all fairness to Johnson, if you're going to be stuck behind two guys, might as well be stuck behind two of the best.

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[quote=jdlea;428577]I don't know that anyone will be breaking the bank for Walker, but given the state of NFL free agency, [B][I]I could be very surprised. If it's going to take more than $4-$5 mil a year for 3 years with Walker[/I][/B], I don't want him, but I'd give him that much.

I'd rather draft a guy in round 1 or 2 and have him be the number 2 and let Caldwell be number 4. Problem is, I don't think Caldwell can play teams, so that's left to Mix. It's not an easy situation, but I don't believe not getting a receiver is an option. I could see them drafting Harris from MSU or Manningham and be relatively pleased. I would rather have Limas Sweed, but my feeling is they can't stand pat...[/quote]

I'm with you there. It's just been that this year has been nuts and he'll probably want a contract based on past production and not his last year. I mean look at Donte Stallworth and he was ALWAYS hurt. :(

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I was just checking out the Wikipedia on Bryant Johnson and came up with this. It is saying that he has already signed with buffalo ??????

[edit] NFL Career
Johnson has played three years predominantly as a slot receiver for the Cardinals, frequently starting the game from the third receiver position. His 35 catches in 2003 was the third most receptions for a rookie (his teammate Anquan Boldin had the most receptions for a rookie that year)[1]. Johnson's career has been hampered by several injuries, but has not appeared in less than 13 games in his three professional seasons.

Johnson scored the inaugural touchdown at University of Phoenix Stadium, a 5-yard reception from Kurt Warner in the Arizona Cardinals preseason game on August 12, 2006.

[B]He signed with the Bills, likely becoming the AFC East team's #2 wide receiver behind Lee Evans. Terms of the contract were not made available by the team.[/B]
He is represented by fellow Penn State alumnus Chafie Fields.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_Johnson]Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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Repeat. Please feel free to delete


Wiki is "reporting" he signed with the Bills today. I guess some Bill's fan really wants him.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_Johnson"]Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

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[quote=Cooley1;428585]I was just checking out the Wikipedia on Bryant Johnson and came up with this. It is saying that he has already signed with buffalo ??????

[edit] NFL Career
Johnson has played three years predominantly as a slot receiver for the Cardinals, frequently starting the game from the third receiver position. His 35 catches in 2003 was the third most receptions for a rookie (his teammate Anquan Boldin had the most receptions for a rookie that year)[1]. Johnson's career has been hampered by several injuries, but has not appeared in less than 13 games in his three professional seasons.

Johnson scored the inaugural touchdown at University of Phoenix Stadium, a 5-yard reception from Kurt Warner in the Arizona Cardinals preseason game on August 12, 2006.

[B]He signed with the Bills, likely becoming the AFC East team's #2 wide receiver behind Lee Evans. Terms of the contract were not made available by the team.[/B]
He is represented by fellow Penn State alumnus Chafie Fields.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_Johnson"]Bryant Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL][/quote]

Wikipedia is good for understanding cool facts and getting the jist of certain topics, but I don't think its a really reliable news source. If I had to guess I'd say a PFT fan edited the page.

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interesting

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;428545]So is Kwame Brown. :)

Sorry, I know what you meant but I couldn't resist.. I'd like to have either Johnson or Hackett in [COLOR="Red"]maroon and black [/COLOR]by the end of the week.[/QUOTE]

Paintrain, you are quite the smart ass today.
Very funny! :)

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;428569]But he started 15 games in the past two years and didn't exactly set the world on fire. And, as I've mentioned before, why is he stuck behind those guys anyway? Not to take anything away from him but he was a high first round pick wasn't he? So I'm not saying he's a bust by any means...but shouldn't there be a bit of a higher standard for such a high pick?

I'm sure he'll be a fine complement but I don't know that he's so much better than what we currently have, yet his contract would likely say otherwise.

As for Walker, yeah when he's healthy and motivated he's great. Question is will he be healthy and can he stay motivated.[/QUOTE]

My response is that your right. I don't think theres a great argument to be made for any of the free agent WR's(except Moss). They are all guys who have not done all that much in the league and are going to get paid mostly on potential. The best thing you can say about Johnson is that he was 3rd behind two great players and maybe he will bust out with more opportunity. And the best thing you can say about hacket is that he played in Seattle and knows the offense. In either case we will overpay based on what their actual production should merit. I rarely advocate trading draft picks but in this instance I believe that trading our #1 or #2 pick for a legitimate #1 WR is the correct course of action...it takes two to tango on that though.

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Maybe they were thinking of Spencer Johnson
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/01/bc.fbn.bills.johnson037.ap/]SI.com - NFL - Bills reach agreement with DT Johnson - Saturday March 1, 2008 5:19PM[/url]

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;428587]Wikipedia is good for understanding cool facts and getting the jist of certain topics, but I don't think its a really reliable news source. If I had to guess I'd say a PFT fan edited the page.[/QUOTE]

No trust me I couldn’t agree with you more, but, I use it a lot to get background on potential players when we discuss them on here and never have I seen them pull this kind of trigger. I just wanted to put it up as I thought it was really kind of strange....???

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[QUOTE=celts32;428591]I rarely advocate trading draft picks but in this instance I believe that trading our #1 or #2 pick for a legitimate #1 WR is the correct course of action...it takes two to tango on that though.[/QUOTE]

For Chad Johnson or Roy Williams I'd strongly, strongly consider it. I'd love to get a 4th rounder as well out of it though.

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I checked their website and they didn't mention anything yet. I actually like the sound of this guy if we don't pay to much. Here's an article regarding his visit with Buffalo today.

[url=http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5903]WR Johnson Visits With Bills - Buffalo Bills[/url]

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I LOVE this move of Bryant Johnson. This kid does something every time he gets a shot. He knows the west coast offense, and hes big enough and strong enough to go over the middle. He also won't break the bank. Perfect signing!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;428595]For Chad Johnson or Roy Williams I'd strongly, strongly consider it. I'd love to get a 4th rounder as well out of it though.[/QUOTE]

They are the two I was thinking of that I would give the pick for. I prefer Williams because he's younger and his personality may blend in better.

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JLC makes no mention of Bryant Johnson

[QUOTE]Nothing Doing At Redskins Park
Vinny Cerrato and Karl Swanson are interviewing candidates for the vacant director of PR position, with more interviews scheduled for tomorrow..

Skins have no free agent visits planned (they told free agent safety Will Demps he could come in for a visit during talks with his agent over the wekeend, sources said, but we'll see when or if that happens)>

That's it. Pretty quiet. Quite weird, but as a worn-out beat schlub I ain't compaining. I could get used to this[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Daseal;428597]I LOVE this move of Bryant Johnson. This kid does something every time he gets a shot. He knows the west coast offense, and hes big enough and strong enough to go over the middle. He also won't break the bank. Perfect signing![/QUOTE]

What do you mean he does something everytime he gets a shot? He started 8 games last year and had 26 catches for 291 yards and 2 TDs. So what exactly does he do?

(As a comparison David Patten started 7 games in 2006 and had 22 catches for 217 yards and 0 TDs.)