Zorn and Skins to pursue D. J. Hackett
 

The player rep for D.J. Hackett, whose client has not made any free agent visits, expects the Titans and Redskins to pursue Hackett this week.

"(The Titans) told us Friday they would be in touch with us this week," the agent said. "We were told the same thing by the Redskins, that they would be in touch with us. We are obviously not panicking by any stretch."


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I'd love to see him come in as our #3. He has big play potential and obviously plays well for Zorn already.

Discuss.

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Don't overpay for him!

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I would like to see Hackett before Bryant Johnson, just my .02

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And what would be considered overpayment ? I'm not attacking you or anything but just asking. What would you, or anyone consider overpayment ?

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I'm torn between Hackett and Bryant Johnson. When Boldin was hurt last season, Johnson stepped in and played great. He's 6-3 215, only 26, and a 1st round talent. Plus he's only missed 3 games total in his 5 year career.

Hackett is slightly smaller at 6-2 208. He and Johnson are the same age, although Johnson has far more experience.

Despite only being 4 months apart in age, Johnson has played in 77 games, has 210 catches for almost 2700 yards and 9tds, while Hackett has only played in only 27 games. Although despite playing in 50 less games, he has as many TDs as Johnson, and his yards and catches per game numbers are better, plus he knows Zorn's stuff.

This is a tough call. I think Bryant Johnson is the more durable, more talented player who has been buried behind two pro-bowlers in Arizona. Hackett is probably the safer play though.

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[quote=Buster;428988]The player rep for D.J. Hackett, whose client has not made any free agent visits, expects the Titans and Redskins to pursue Hackett this week.

"(The Titans) told us Friday they would be in touch with us this week," the agent said. "We were told the same thing by the Redskins, that they would be in touch with us. We are obviously not panicking by any stretch."


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I'd love to see him come in as our #3. He has big play potential and obviously plays well for Zorn already.

Discuss.[/quote]

He would come in higher than our #3. He would likely start along with Moss and ARE would move to the slot.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;428992]And what would be considered overpayment ? I'm not attacking you or anything but just asking. What would you, or anyone consider overpayment ?[/quote]
Anything more than Lloyd or Randle El got ($10 million guaranteed). Even that might be a little high.

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[quote=GMScud;428994]I'm torn between Hackett and Bryant Johnson. [B]When Boldin was hurt last season, Johnson stepped in and played great.[/B] He's 6-3 215, only 26, and a 1st round talent. Plus he's only missed 3 games total in his 5 year career.

Hackett is slightly smaller at 6-2 208. He and Johnson are the same age, although Johnson has far more experience.

Despite only being 4 months apart in age, Johnson has played in 77 games, has 210 catches for almost 2700 yards and 9tds, while Hackett has only played in only 27 games. Although despite playing in 50 less games, he has as many TDs as Johnson, and his yards and catches per game numbers are better, plus he knows Zorn's stuff.

This is a tough call. I think Bryant Johnson is the more durable, more talented player who has been buried behind two pro-bowlers in Arizona. Hackett is probably the safer play though.[/quote]

I see people saying that but looking at what he actually did I'm not very impressed. [URL="http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/player/gamelogs/2007/396163"]Here is what he did when he started[/URL]:

Pit: 4-40
Stl: 6-80
Car: 4-29
Cle: 6-56-1
Sea: 1-5-1
No: 2-35
Atl: 3-46

Pretty ho-hum numbers to me.

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I'd give Hackett (or Bryant Johnson for that matter, but I'd prefer Hackett) about $12 million guaranteed, $35 million total over 6 years.

This would be nearly identical to what we gave Randle-El, just with some inflation built in.

It's about the going rate these days for a #2 type guy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;429000]I see people saying that but looking at what he actually did I'm not very impressed. [URL="http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/player/gamelogs/2007/396163"]Here is what he did when he started[/URL]:

Pit: 4-40
Stl: 6-80
Car: 4-29
Cle: 6-56-1
Sea: 1-5-1
No: 2-35
Atl: 3-46

Pretty ho-hum numbers to me.[/quote]

Keep in mind he was the #2 WR during all of those games, because either Boldin or Fitz was always healthy and occupying the #1 position. Those are decent #2 WR numbers.

If anybody thinks they're getting a stud #1 WR with either Hackett (big games, but inconsistent) or Johnson (no big games, but consistent) then they're wrong. So you won't see better than #2 WR numbers from either of these guys.

Likewise, they would get paid like #2s: $12 million guaranteed, 6 years, $35 million total

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As long as we don't break the bank on him I'm cool with it. I'd be happy with either Hackett or Johnson provided they don't get huge deals.

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[quote=Mattyk72;429000]I see people saying that but looking at what he actually did I'm not very impressed. [URL="http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/player/gamelogs/2007/396163"]Here is what he did when he started[/URL]:

Pit: 4-40
Stl: 6-80
Car: 4-29
Cle: 6-56-1
Sea: 1-5-1
No: 2-35
Atl: 3-46

Pretty ho-hum numbers to me.[/quote]

Huh, I felt like his numbers were better than that. Well, like Schneed said, he was never a #1 in that system. At least Johnson was healthy the whole year. Hackett missed 10 games due to injury. Santana can't seem to stay healthy, so getting a guy with Johnson's durability could really help.

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[quote=Schneed10;429003]Keep in mind he was the #2 WR during all of those games, because either Boldin or Fitz was always healthy and occupying the #1 position. Those are decent #2 WR numbers.

If anybody thinks they're getting a stud #1 WR with either Hackett (big games, but inconsistent) or Johnson (no big games, but consistent) then they're wrong. So you won't see better than #2 WR numbers from either of these guys.

Likewise, they would get paid like #2s: $12 million guaranteed, 6 years, $35 million total[/quote]

Actually Boldin and Fitz sat out the Cleveland game, and both of them battled injuries most of the year and weren't 100% even when starting.

Johnson hasn't done much over the course of his career to show that he's capable of stepping in and being a big time guy, while Hackett has proved he's capable.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;428992]And what would be considered overpayment ? I'm not attacking you or anything but just asking. What would you, or anyone consider overpayment ?[/quote]

Not sure on a figure, I would trust what people who's opinions I respect say about that one. I like Hackett, but I'm in love with James Hardy right now with our 1st round pick. Not a popular opinion right now but it's mine.

But if Zorn likes Hackett and wants him then the skins should go get him, sure he knows what DJ has better then any option out there. I'm looking at all the outrageous money flying around the league right now and hoping we don't get burned in a sellers market.

Between Hackett and Johnson though? Def Hackett without question

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[quote=Mattyk72;429000]I see people saying that but looking at what he actually did I'm not very impressed. [URL="http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/player/gamelogs/2007/396163"]Here is what he did when he started[/URL]:

Pit: 4-40
Stl: 6-80
Car: 4-29
Cle: 6-56-1
Sea: 1-5-1
No: 2-35
Atl: 3-46

Pretty ho-hum numbers to me.[/quote]

While I myself am not enamored with Johnson, you have to look closer at what constitutes a start. I'm confused as to if its counted as a start if the team opens up with a 3-Receiver set. Does a start mean that a player was in on the first snap of the game on thier respective side of the ball.

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I would go with bryant for the reason the DJ cannot stay healthy. what the heck if this guy knows the system but cannot step on the field. we don't what another player to fill our IR room like last year.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;429014]While I myself am not enamored with Johnson, you have to look closer at what constitutes a start. I'm confused as to if its counted as a start if the team opens up with a 3-Receiver set. Does a start mean that a player was in on the first snap of the game on thier respective side of the ball.

I personally doubt that Boldin and Fitzgerald missed a combined 7 games and still put up 1,400 yards each.[/quote]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6390/gamelog;_ylt=ApOtbOsXOrv1Pe6Lza8mOr7.uLYF"]Boldin[/URL] missed 4 starts, [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6762/gamelog;_ylt=ApOtbOsXOrv1Pe6Lza8mOr7.uLYF"]Fitzgerald[/URL] missed 1 start.

Both of them battled nagging injuries all year.

Boldin didn't put up 1400 yards, try 853.

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Just a side note... In the 2003 combine Hackett was one of the top performers at WR

Vertical 41" (Would be the best overall in this years draft, one of the best all-time probably)

Broad Jump 10'11" (Would be 1 or 2 in this years draft)

40 yard dash 4.53

3-cone drill 6.80 (Would be 2nd in this years combine among WR)

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58527]D.J. Hackett, WR, Colorado - 2004 NFL Draft Scout Profile, Powered by The SportsXchange[/url]


Bryant ran a 4.57 40 and didn't do any agility or jumping

Wonderlic results:
16 Johnson
24 Hackett

Take what you want from all this... I'm impressed with Hackett's athleticism... did not know he was that kind of explosive athlete

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[quote=Mattyk72;429010]Actually Boldin and Fitz sat out the Cleveland game, and both of them battled injuries most of the year and weren't 100% even when starting.

Johnson hasn't done much over the course of his career to show that he's capable of stepping in and being a big time guy, [B]while Hackett has proved he's capable[/B].[/quote]

I don't know about that.

Hackett missed all but 6 games last year. In the two years before that, he also didn't manage to play a full season despite being used much more sparingly than he was last season.

He's had a few huge games. I see a few over 100 yard games on his resume. Of course he had Matt Hasselbeck throwing to him instead of the very green Matt Leinart and the very old Kurt Warner.

He toasted us for 101 yards on 6 catches in our playoff game against Seattle. But then when he went up against Al Harris and Charles Woodson, he was held to 2 catches for 15 yards against the Pack in the divisional round. That's indicative of his all-or-nothing kind of play. He's either way up or way down.

I'm of the mindset we need someone pretty consistent to give us a big target in the red zone, first and foremost, and help us move the chains. I think we've already got two big play guys.

For the record, and all that said, I'd still prefer Hackett simply because he knows Zorn and will know the playbook, which is huge when it comes to making an immediate impact. But I don't see a huge difference between him and Bryant Johnson from a talent perspective. We should get Hackett because of the familiarity with our coach, but I won't be disappointed with Bryant Johnson.

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Hackett would IMO be a good addition provided he could remain healthy for an entire season.

There's no question he's been productive [when he's played] but the question with him is the same one we have with Moss, "accountability". I've said many times before, regardless of a players ability, if he's not there he can't be depended on.

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I like Hackett. Especially his prior knowledge of the west coast offense, but his injury history scares me. Out 10 games (two stretches) last season. Out 2 games in 2006.

I love Bryant. I think he was always to step up when asked... Maybe not the superstar skill set necessary to supplant Boldin or Fitz... but still a quality big WR.

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We are all disecting these Cards WR numbers like the answer is suddenly going to leap off the screen at us. The reality is that none of us know if Johnson is a very good WR being held back by great ones or just an average WR. It's the redskins job to figure that out...hopefully they do. Poking holes in Hackett & Johnson as free agent pickups is like shooting ducks in a barrel. The only way we will know for sure if we upgraded the WR corps on opening day is to trade for a proven #1.

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[quote=celts32;429034][B]We are all disecting these Cards WR numbers like the answer is suddenly going to leap off the screen at us. The reality is that none of us know if Johnson is a very good WR being held back by great ones or just an average WR[/B]. It's the redskins job to figure that out...hopefully they do. Poking holes in Hackett & Johnson as free agent pickups is like shooting ducks in a barrel. The only way we will know for sure if we upgraded the WR corps on opening day is to trade for a proven #1.[/quote]

Yeah good point. I'd lean towards him being an average WR but that's just my 2 cents.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;429056]Yeah good point. I'd lean towards him being an average WR but that's just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

I think I agree...problem is I think Hackett is average also. So where does that leave us?

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Personally I think Hackett has more upside, but of course there's the injury concern with him. He would seem to make more sense because of the connection with Zorn, but I'd be ok with picking up either guy.

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The team has identified WR as a position that could use an upgrade. If we're looking to upgrade immediately it probably won't be through the draft. It's unlikely a "rookie" WR will crack the line-up and make an immediate impact. I can see drafting a WR to develop for the future.

It apears obvious we want to upgrade the position for the 2008 season, and the only way that seems possible is through FA's or trade.

*I* want to see what/if anything Anthony Mix can bring to the table. We know he's unproven, but many in the Giants organization didn't want to see him leave, and had nothing but good things to say about him. He came in late last year and was relegated to ST play. We do know he's famaliar with JC having played with him at Auburn. If all else fails, I would like for him to at least have an opportunity to show if he has anything despite not having a stellar resume.

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[B]College career[/B]
In his freshman year at Cal State Northridge, Hackett appeared in [B]10 of the Matadors' 11 games.[/B] He finished the season with 47 receptions for 728 yards and 7 touchdowns, finishing 2nd on the team in all three categories. As a sophomore, Hackett again finished 2nd on the team in receptions (53) and yards (778), and was tied for the team lead in touchdowns (10).
Hackett transferred to the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Colorado_at_Boulder"][COLOR=#0000ff]University of Colorado[/COLOR][/URL] in 2002, [B]appearing in 12 of the team's 13 games.[/B] In 2003 Hackett led all Buffaloes receivers with 1,013 receiving yards and 78 total receptions, scoring 7 touchdowns.

We can also look back to Hackett's college career to see if he can stay healthy and be productive. It looks like he can stay healthy and put up great numbers but just has been nicked a little bit in Seattle. Last year he had a high ankle sprain which forced him to miss significant time. Maybe playing on turf in Seattle had a little something to do with that. In his previous 2 seasons he played in 27 out of 32 regular season games. Does not look like the injury question with Hackett should be too much of a concern.

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I'm not 100% sold on either Hackett or Johnson. But I don't think they'd really damage us, just don't know how much they'd help.

So Hackett's from Colorado eh? Yikes! Hopefully he won't end up like Michael Westbrook or even worse Rae Carruth!!

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It's good to see that not everyone is thinking Hackett is answer, but there are way too many people that are overrating Hackett...hopefully Cerrato won't and pay him disgusting pay.

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Has the ship already sailed on a trade for Roy Williams? He's probably the closest to a sure thing that we can get this FA period at WR.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;429118]Has the ship already sailed on a trade for Roy Williams? He's probably the closest to a sure thing that we can get this FA period at WR.[/quote]


I didn't know there was ever a ship for a Roy Williams trade to DC? Where are you getting that from, I believe that (rumor) get put out right after it started.

I certainly doubt that's the closest to a sure thing we can get in the FA market for a WR, probably the most unlikely from certain.

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[QUOTE=Rajmahal33;429118]Has the ship already sailed on a trade for Roy Williams? He's probably the closest to a sure thing that we can get this FA period at WR.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/03/chances_of_roy_williams_gettin.html]Chances of Roy Williams getting traded? One percent - Detroit Lions: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;429021][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6390/gamelog;_ylt=ApOtbOsXOrv1Pe6Lza8mOr7.uLYF"]Boldin[/URL] missed 4 starts, [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6762/gamelog;_ylt=ApOtbOsXOrv1Pe6Lza8mOr7.uLYF"]Fitzgerald[/URL] missed 1 start.

Both of them battled nagging injuries all year.

Boldin didn't put up 1400 yards, try 853.[/quote]

Lol, I realized that after I posted it. :D I tried to change it but you probably have access to all my edits. Thats what I get for trying to sound like a know-it-all

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[QUOTE=bertoskins2;429017]I would go with bryant for the reason the DJ cannot stay healthy. what the heck if this guy knows the system but cannot step on the field. we don't what another player to fill our IR room like last year.[/QUOTE] I think he has only been hurt once

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define... hurt.

like FOR REAL or nagging.

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[quote=PWNED;429193]define... hurt.

like FOR REAL or nagging.[/quote]


He had a high ankle sprain last year which made him miss significant time. Other then that he's only missed a game here and there. Pretty good track record for a WR

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[quote=Dirtbag359;429161]Lol, I realized that after I posted it. :D I tried to change it but you probably have access to all my edits. Thats what I get for trying to sound like a know-it-all[/quote]

LOL looks I just quoted your post before you edited it.

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[QUOTE=erik2680;429186]I think he has only been hurt once[/QUOTE]

He's been hurt each of his 3 seasons. Although his first two seasons they were just small nagging injuries.

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New coach same old personnel philosophy, here we are making a big deal about 2 WR's who are nothing special, did we learn nothing from the Brandon Lloyd signing? I find it hard to believe we can't find a WR in the draft to at least come close to the talent level of these NFL giants? I guess Anthony Mix is nothing more than a special teams guy.

Hackett is an average WR in a very good offensive scheme, the west coast offense has made average WR's look good, and very good WR's look great. But at last we have to have this guy, why? Because Vinny and co. couldnt spot a talented player beyond the top 10 of the draft if their lives depended on it!

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[QUOTE=HOGTIMUS PRIME;429354]New coach same old personnel philosophy, here we are making a big deal about 2 WR's who are nothing special, did we learn nothing from the Brandon Lloyd signing? I find it hard to believe we can't find a WR in the draft to at least come close to the talent level of these NFL giants? I guess Anthony Mix is nothing more than a special teams guy.

Hackett is an average WR in a very good offensive scheme, the west coast offense has made average WR's look good, and very good WR's look great. But at last we have to have this guy, why? Because Vinny and co. couldnt spot a talented player beyond the top 10 of the draft if their lives depended on it![/QUOTE]

No one is saying we have to have this guy. And as for your last sentence about Vinny and co. not being able to spot a talented player beyond the top 10, several of us have pointed out enough times the complete fallacy in that statement that it doesn't need to be repeated.