The Official draft Marcus Monk thread.
 

I might be one of only a few people on this bandwagon, but I think this kid would be PERFECT for us. He'll come cheap due to concerns about his knee, even though he played 6 games to end his senior season. Even better, he's 6'6" and 219lbs and has great speed as well.
I'm not sold on Hackett at all, and he'll cost us 5 mil a year or so while Monk will cost us less than a mil per year. Not that we can't have both.
To me, WR's are close to a dime a dozen. A lot of them are interchangable and they rely on opportunity to succeed. Why not go young and get someone huge like Monk to take over. He might not make the immediate impact you look for, but his 2nd and 3rd seasons could be big for us. Plus all the money we save could go to much more needed positions.

I want this kid...and how cool would it be for us to have another successful wr named Monk?

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I love it! A couple of weeks ago I casually mentioned Devin Thomas and a groundswell of Thomas' supporters arose. Same thing might be happening now with Monk :)

I'd rather have Monk just because I think we can get him later and fill other needs earlier in the draft

Good thread :)

Wrong forum though, moving it

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;429075]I love it! A couple of weeks ago I casually mentioned Devin Thomas and a groundswell of Thomas' supporters arose. Same thing might be happening now with Monk :)

I'd rather have Monk just because I think we can get him later and fill other needs earlier in the draft

Good thread :)

Wrong forum though, moving it[/QUOTE]

Exactly! If we can get him with the 5th round pick, we'd have 1-3 to use to fill other positions. I have a feeling he will go in the late 3rd early 4th though. But that's just a feeling. Does anyone have his combine results?

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How about that James Hardy kid from Indiana if he were there in the 2nd? Though I suspect a guy with that size/speed/production will probably slip into the first once scouts get excited about him.

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i think i mentioned him about a month ago ;)

he's a good 7th round pick, he does NOT have good speed, and he's not a great WR, but he can block well (lots of practice blocking for mcfadden), he is big, and he'd be great on teams.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;429097]How about that James Hardy kid from Indiana if he were there in the 2nd? Though I suspect a guy with that size/speed/production will probably slip into the first once scouts get excited about him.[/quote]

he's a 1st rounder, he ran a 4.5 at 6'5"+. so he might not even be there with our first pick.

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[quote=jsarno;429077]Exactly! If we can get him with the 5th round pick, we'd have 1-3 to use to fill other positions. I have a feeling he will go in the late 3rd early 4th though. But that's just a feeling. Does anyone have his combine results?[/quote]

a quick trip to our Draft thread reveals a link to all combine results:
[url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/combineWR.html]2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Receivers[/url]


Marcus Monk, Arkansas, 4.57, 222lbs, 6'4.25", 9 reps.

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oh yeah, also from ncaa stat database, his full statlines from arkansas:
[URL="http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=31&player=85"]NCAA DIVISION I FOOTBALL[/URL]

if you notice, he did have a 962yd year, but he tended to beat up on south carolina and vandy, so...

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[QUOTE=That Guy;429099]i think i mentioned him about a month ago ;)

he's a good 7th round pick, he does NOT have good speed, and he's not a great WR, but he can block well (lots of practice blocking for mcfadden), he is big, and he'd be great on teams.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but clearly no one pays attention to what you have to say ;)

Seriously though, yeah you and I think maybe SBXVII were the early adopters to Monk 2.0 (is that blasphemous)

In that 5th-6th round I like Monk, Hubbard, and that kid from Duquesne. Mario Urrutia might not be awful either.

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You can count me on this Bandwagon. Someone did mention him a month ago and I liked the idea. Not only in name but he does seem to be a good WR. I would also look at Manley Jr. in a later round also if possible. He may turn out to be a diamond in the rough.

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Any relation to Art? I say just because I love the last name, DRAFT HIM!! That last name has been good to the Skins.

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To early to start HOF talk?

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He ran a 4.64 at the combine [B]officially[/B] and put up 9 reps of 225 lbs. He might end up being a decent pass catching TE in a few years. Not our answer next year guys

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I'll pass on Monk.

We already have a 6'5", 235lb. guy, who is basically a rookie, to develop, Anthony Mix. Mix ran in the 4.48 to 4.51 range at the combine. I couldn't find his bench press numbers, but I'm sure he's better than 9 reps. 9 reps is pretty poor. The Giants were prepared to start Mix at X-receiver if Plax couldn't go, it was either the week of 9/23 or 9/30.

I think we should load up on OL depth or LB depth in the later rounds. We have 30-somethings across the OL and injury issues at LB.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;429199]I'll pass on Monk.

We already have a 6'5", 235lb. guy, who is basically a rookie, to develop, Anthony Mix. Mix ran in the 4.48 to 4.51 range at the combine. I couldn't find his bench press numbers, but I'm sure he's better than 9 reps. 9 reps is pretty poor. The Giants were prepared to start Mix at X-receiver if Plax couldn't go, it was either the week of 9/23 or 9/30.

I think we should load up on OL depth or LB depth in the later rounds. We have 30-somethings across the OL and injury issues at LB.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely.
Give Mix and Espy a shot. Load up on Linemen, Both offensive and defensive.

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Good point DGreene and Slingin. But if he falls low enough, he be might worth the risk right?

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sounds more like a free agent option, then a draft option. as much as it hurts me to say it, just say no to monk:(

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[quote=SmootSmack;429201]Good point DGreene and Slingin. But if he falls low enough, he be might worth the risk right?[/quote]
It's not that he isn't worth the risk. We just have more pressing needs than WR and we could probably find better value at LB or OL late.

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I think

Marcus Monk = Darnerian McCants

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This guy:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGi3NSJUuE]YouTube - Arkansas vs South Carolina (2006) Casey Dick to Monk TD[/url]

Oh and Mix is the next TO, give him a shot.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;429234]This guy:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGi3NSJUuE"]YouTube - Arkansas vs South Carolina (2006) Casey Dick to Monk TD[/URL]

Oh and Mix is the next TO, give him a shot.[/quote]

Just give him a shot as a free agent because he probably won't get drafted

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whats the difference between him and mix?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;429247]whats the difference between him and mix?[/quote]
Mix is 10 lbs bigger, faster, stronger, and has a relationship with our starting QB.

Here's a solid G/C that may slip to the 6th or 7th round. Some folks have him dropping because of Senior Bowl practice and scrimmage struggles against superior physical talent. He would provide solid OL depth, smart, tough. Under Bugel and in an NFL strength program he would probably put on 10-15 lbs of muscle and with better technique be able to stand up against the 330lb DTs. Kory Lichtensteiger - Bowling Green.

[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=16215"]Kory*Lichtensteiger, C, Bowling Green - 2008 NFL Draft Scout Profile, Powered by The SportsXchange[/URL]

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monk is probably a 7th rounder and a special teamer. that's decent value over a guy that probably won't make the team at all.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;429099]i think i mentioned him about a month ago ;)

he's a good 7th round pick, he does NOT have good speed, and he's not a great WR, but he can block well (lots of practice blocking for mcfadden), he is big, and he'd be great on teams.[/QUOTE]

I have mentioned him several times, but felt he needed a thread to his own.

4.57 is good speed. Not great, but good. He has very good hands, I've watched him.
Kinda funny that ESPN has him at 6'6" but the combine has him at 6'4" and change.
A guy that is just about 6'5" and has good hands as well as decent speed (still building speed up after the knee injury) is a steal for someone.

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We keep talking about Mix, but he didn't even do anything for the Giants, nor did he make the field for us when we had all sorts of WR issues.
I love Mix too, but we could easily use a guy like Monk especially considering we are likely losing Caldwell and McCardell. I think this kid is something special, and we could have him for pretty cheap.

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I think Mix has mad potential, but I just don't know how he can be considered a legit #2 receiver when he never played one down on offense.

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Here's another one:
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The only way i can see him on the team is with a Free Agent invite.
Dude was hurt last year, he's got good size though
but the injury is a big concern

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Hopefully we don't waste an early draft pick on a reciever and look for one of these guys in the 3rd round or later *Warning i don't buy into the 'big' reciever crap, speed is much better than size, Moss and T.O. and Fitz are the exceptional combo of size and speed*

Andre Caldwell, Florida
Height: 6-0. Weight: 204.
Projected 40 Time: 4.36.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: . Broad .
Projected Round: 2-3.

William Franklin, Missouri
Height: 6-0. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.40.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 34.5. Broad .
Projected Round: 3-4.

Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Height: 6-1. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 11-4.
Projected Round: 4.

Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State
Height: 5-9. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: . Broad .
Projected Round: 4-5.

*A Local kid*
Arman Shields, Richmond
Height: 6-0. Weight: 194.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.44.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 10.8.
Projected Round: 7.

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[quote=jsarno;429304]We keep talking about Mix, but he didn't even do anything for the Giants, nor did he make the field for us when we had all sorts of WR issues.
I love Mix too, but we could easily use a guy like Monk especially considering we are likely losing Caldwell and McCardell. I think this kid is something special, and we could have him for pretty cheap.[/quote]
Mix didn't do anything for the Giants because he's an X-receiver and was behind Plax. The Giants were prepared to start Mix the week of 9/23 or 9/30 if Plax couldn't go, so I would say they had confidence in him.
[URL="http://nfldraftbible.blogspot.com/2007_09_23_archive.html"]NFL DRAFT BIBLE: Sep 23, 2007[/URL]

He probably wasn't on the field for us because Saunders didn't have confidence he would be able to pick up the 700 page playbook in mid-season. I thought he should've had a shot inside the 10 for a fade or two, I wanted to see if he'd make a play, but that never happened. The TB game comes to mind when JC is throwing a fade to a 5' 10" Moss and 6' 5" Mix is on the bench, made no sense to me.

The two videos on Monk don't really show me anything. In the one from Dirtbag359 he totally mis-times his jump, never actually jumps, and the ball happens to fall into his hands. In yours he has no separation, the DB is turned around and falls down (Gotta love those SC DBs). He appears to have decent enough hands to make those catches, but nothing in those videos screams "We need to get this guy!" Monk may not be drafted, if not bring him in and take a look. I just don't think we need to draft a WR unless we get outstanding value. We have too many other issues to address.

I don't think Mix is the next TO, his college performance doesn't indicate that. But he's already on the roster, is a big, fast, physical receiver, and could develop into a solid "X". Worst case he should be a threat on the outside in the Red Zone.

At WR we currently have: Moss, ARE, Caldwell (if we let him get away it's for a reason), Mix, Espy, Harris, Mann, McMullen, McCardell (probably will not be here), Toler, and Thrash. For the sake of argument let's say the Skins sign Hackett. Our top three would be Moss, ARE, Hackett. We will probably only carry 5 WRs on the active roster so realistically Mix, Espy, McMullen, Thrash and Caldwell are competing for two active roster spots. Where would Monk fit? Who would you cut to make room? I definitely don't cut Caldwell, Mix or Espy.

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[quote=30gut;429353]Hopefully we don't waste an early draft pick on a reciever and look for one of these guys in the 3rd round or later [B]*Warning i don't buy into the 'big' reciever crap, speed is much better than size,[/B] Moss and T.O. and Fitz are the exceptional combo of size and speed*[/quote]
I buy into having a balanced attack. At least one big, physical receiver is a necessary weapon, particularly in the Red Zone. It doesn't matter if we have 4 receivers that run sub-4.5s inside the 20. Their speed is completely negated down there because there is no where to stretch the field.

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4.57 is in no way good speed. it just isn't. and he's closer to 6'4" than 6.5".

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This guy.

Player - James Hardy
College - Indiana
Height - 6'5 3/8
Weight - 217
40 Yard - 4.47
Reps - 18
Vertical - ?
Shuttle - 4.20
60 Yard - ?
Cone - 6.84
Broad Jump - 10'5"

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[quote=SmootSmack;429075]I love it! A couple of weeks ago I casually mentioned Devin Thomas and a groundswell of Thomas' supporters arose. Same thing might be happening now with Monk :)

I'd rather have Monk just because I think we can get him later and fill other needs earlier in the draft

Good thread :)

[B]Wrong forum though, moving it[/B][/quote]


So negative LOL But if we get that extra third round pick he could be an option.

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I wouldn't take him before the 5th (at the earliest)

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[quote=That Guy;429424]4.57 is in no way good speed. it just isn't. and he's closer to 6'4" than 6.5".[/quote]


Are we are really in the days now when 4.57 is considered slow. I am not ging to say that 4.57 is elite speed but come on that is faster than alot of the guys in the NFL and to top it off timed speed and game speed are two completely different things

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We should draft this Monk and make him wear #18.

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I think that is a good idea. I would like to mix in there as well to see what he can do. I agree about Hackett. Yes he knows the system, but that doesn't mean that he is necessarily going to produce.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;429389]Mix didn't do anything for the Giants because he's an X-receiver and was behind Plax. The Giants were prepared to start Mix the week of 9/23 or 9/30 if Plax couldn't go, so I would say they had confidence in him.
[URL="http://nfldraftbible.blogspot.com/2007_09_23_archive.html"]NFL DRAFT BIBLE: Sep 23, 2007[/URL]

He probably wasn't on the field for us because Saunders didn't have confidence he would be able to pick up the 700 page playbook in mid-season. I thought he should've had a shot inside the 10 for a fade or two, I wanted to see if he'd make a play, but that never happened. The TB game comes to mind when JC is throwing a fade to a 5' 10" Moss and 6' 5" Mix is on the bench, made no sense to me.

The two videos on Monk don't really show me anything. In the one from Dirtbag359 he totally mis-times his jump, never actually jumps, and the ball happens to fall into his hands. In yours he has no separation, the DB is turned around and falls down (Gotta love those SC DBs). He appears to have decent enough hands to make those catches, but nothing in those videos screams "We need to get this guy!" Monk may not be drafted, if not bring him in and take a look. I just don't think we need to draft a WR unless we get outstanding value. We have too many other issues to address.

I don't think Mix is the next TO, his college performance doesn't indicate that. But he's already on the roster, is a big, fast, physical receiver, and could develop into a solid "X". Worst case he should be a threat on the outside in the Red Zone.

At WR we currently have: Moss, ARE, Caldwell (if we let him get away it's for a reason), Mix, Espy, Harris, Mann, McMullen, McCardell (probably will not be here), Toler, and Thrash. For the sake of argument let's say the Skins sign Hackett. Our top three would be Moss, ARE, Hackett. We will probably only carry 5 WRs on the active roster so realistically Mix, Espy, McMullen, Thrash and Caldwell are competing for two active roster spots. Where would Monk fit? Who would you cut to make room? I definitely don't cut Caldwell, Mix or Espy.[/QUOTE]

You make valid points, however:
Until we sign Caldwell and McCardell (both FA's) I am not counting them on this team. So at the moment, we have Moss, ARE and then no one with experience other than the noticably spent Thrash (who could be kept solely for special teams). I want to keep Mix and work him, but it doesn't [b]appear[/b] the Skins are high on him. Please don't act as if the Giants were high on him either. Plax was an injury issue all season, and they RELEASED Mix to sign Domenik Dixon! That doesn't sound like a team that is "confident" in a player. You speak of the 700 page playbook, yet McCardell came in his first week and started being an impact. So they could have played Mix if they wanted to, yet chose not to. We as fans think too highly of the bench players on our team and always think they will be something special. Well, in certain cases, sure I understand, but it's like this with all our guys. I really want Mix to be involved in the passing game this year, he has the size and the chemistry to work out, but I'm not a Redskins coach. Espy has a long way to go before he makes any impact for anyone, if he does at all.
I've heard people say we have pressing needs at other positions, and we certainly do...I agree. However, getting a big WR with good hands and something to prove in the 5th round is hardly ignoring other positions of need. Being able to get a guy in a position of need in the later rounds is a good idea, and wr is not a "pressing need" but it certainly is a need with the band of misfits we currently have.
Now, if before the draft comes, we sign Hackett / Caldwell and McCardell (like you seem to be suggesting) then we certainly won't look to bring in another WR. But if we do that, do you really think Mix will find the field very often?