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I really can't pretend to fully understand how compensatory picks works but this guy (who also posts I think on KFFL) is pretty on point with these kind of things.

And he says we're getting an extra 3rd round pick, if I'm reading this right

[url=http://adamjt13.blog.com/]AdamJT13[/url]

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So for letting Dockery sign a contract as big as he is in Buffalo, we get a 3rd round pick? Thats freaking sweet.

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Compensatory Picks
In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of up to 32 picks dispersed at the ends of [B]Rounds 3 through 7.[/B] These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are[B] awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency[/B]. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.
If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft.
Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

[B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NFL_Draft&action=edit&section=3"][COLOR=#0000ff]edit[/COLOR][/URL]] Eligibility[/B]

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And 2 freakin' 7th rounders! woot!

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I love that we get a seventh (allegedly) for the Warrick "Please push me back 5 yards" Holdman.

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So we did get the third rounder?

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two thirds!!! how freaking sweet! we get to draft! lol, man Im not used to that. man I wanna go do draft research now

or start my thread about trading two thirds for an early second to get both hurricanes...lol

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;429246]So we did get the third rounder?[/quote]

Won't know until late March, but that guy seems to know what he is talking about. Sweet!

[quote=SKINSnCANES;429248]two thirds!!! how freaking sweet! we get to draft! lol, man Im not used to that. man I wanna go do draft research now

or start my thread about trading two thirds for an early second to get both hurricanes...lol[/quote]

Compensatory picks can't be traded.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;429249]Won't know until late March, but that guy seems to know what he is talking about. Sweet!



Compensatory picks can't be traded.[/QUOTE]

cant be traded, good to know, thanks. Were going to get a nice influx of youth this year, I hope they are really doing their reserarch and scouting!

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This is Awsome if it is true. You know, I noticed that even poor ass Kenny Wright got a three year contract, in Cleveland. We lost Ducket and Dockery, so maybe he is right. I found this at [URL="http://www.docsports.com/current/nfl-draft-rules.html"]NFL Draft Rules[/URL]
[quote]
[B]Compensatory picks[/B]
In addition to one pick for each team in each round, there are 32 compensatory picks which are spread out over rounds three to seven. The picks are used at the end of each round as needed. Teams are awarded compensatory picks if they lose more free agents than they gain in free agency in the previous season. The placement of the picks is determined by a special formula. Teams are not able to trade their compensatory picks. If all 32 compensatory picks are not needed then the remaining picks are used at the end of draft, and are used in the same order as picks were earned in the first round.
[B]Forfeiting picks[/B][/quote]

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I guess my question is, really the main guy we lost last year was Derrick Dockery....but we also signed Fletcher/Smoot.....so wouldnt we have signed just as highly stouted FA's as the one loss of Dockery?

I mean, I'm not complianing, cause that would be awsome, but does anyone know how exactly this is figured out before I get too excited?

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[quote=Gmanc711;429259]I guess my question is, really the main guy we lost last year was Derrick Dockery....but we also signed Fletcher/Smoot.....so wouldnt we have signed just as highly stouted FA's as the one loss of Dockery?

I mean, I'm not complianing, cause that would be awsome, but does anyone know how exactly this is figured out before I get too excited?[/quote]
Duckett, Wright, and Dockery.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;429259]I guess my question is, really the main guy we lost last year was Derrick Dockery....but we also signed Fletcher/Smoot.....so wouldnt we have signed just as highly stouted FA's as the one loss of Dockery?

I mean, I'm not complianing, cause that would be awsome, but does anyone know how exactly this is figured out before I get too excited?[/QUOTE]

Well I think the main point in all this is Dockery's large salary

Also, I don't think Smoot counts because the Vikings released him

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It looks like I may, yet again, have egg all over my face. I have been under what seems to be a mistaken impression, i.e., that the Redskins will never get a nice compensatory pick.

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so really the nfl draft is 8 rounds long, not 7, I never picked up on that (a round being defined as 32 picks, one for each team)

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Apparently the formula for determining what, if any, compensatory draft picks each club shall receive is not available to the public. [URL="http://www.nflpa.org/cba/cba_pdf/Article_XVI_College_Draft.pdf"]Section 10 [/URL]of Article XVI of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement simply states, "The rules and procedures regarding Compensatory Draft Selections ... shall be as agreed upon by the NFL and the NFLPA." According to a 2004 [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2798269"]article[/URL] written by ESPN's John Clayton, "The NFL Management Council determines the number and value of the compensatory picks, and it guards the secrecy of its compensatory formula like Coke guards its secret recipe. This much is known: The NFL formula is based on salary, playing time, postseason awards and the net of free agents lost versus free agents signed."

So we likely will not know what, if any, compensatory draft selections we will get until after the Annual Meeting at the end of this month. A 3rd rounder would certainly be nice though.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;429267]Apparently the formula for determining what, if any, compensatory draft picks each club shall receive is not available to the public. [URL="http://www.nflpa.org/cba/cba_pdf/Article_XVI_College_Draft.pdf"]Section 10 [/URL]of Article XVI of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement simply states, "The rules and procedures regarding Compensatory Draft Selections ... shall be as agreed upon by the NFL and the NFLPA." According to a 2004 [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2798269"]article[/URL] written by ESPN's John Clayton, "The NFL Management Council determines the number and value of the compensatory picks, and it guards the secrecy of its compensatory formula like Coke guards its secret recipe. This much is known: The NFL formula is based on salary, playing time, postseason awards and the net of free agents lost versus free agents signed."

So we likely will not know what, if any, compensatory draft selections we will get until after the Annual Meeting at the end of this month. A 3rd rounder would certainly be nice though.[/QUOTE]

True, but the guy whose article I linked to seems to have a pretty good track record of predicting who is getting picks. Not perfect, but certainly seems very reliable

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this guy has an EXTREMELY good track record. he's been dead on for the skins the last two years (which are the only two years i've checked), so i'd place some weight on his opinion.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;429271]True, but the guy whose article I linked to seems to have a pretty good track record of predicting who is getting picks. Not perfect, but certainly seems very reliable[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I read the article after it was posted on a thread on ES. The guy certainly seems to know what he is talking about, but I guess I just won't believe we will get an extra 3rd rounder until the NFL announces the compensatory draft pick awards.

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its FA signed, FA's lost, contract values, etc

a bunch of nfl guys get in a dark room and figure it out, so it's not an exact science, but they do seem to follow guidelines fairly closely.

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I wonder if the Redskins have the same sense (or maybe they already know) as this guy of what they're getting and with an extra 3rd round maybe that's another reason why they've been patient in free agency. Or if they get that extra 3rd round pick they can use their own as part of a trade...Chad Johnson?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;429278]I wonder if the Redskins have the same sense (or maybe they already know) as this guy of what they're getting and with an extra 3rd round maybe that's another reason why they've been patient in free agency. Or if they get that extra 3rd round pick they can use their own as part of a trade...Chad Johnson?[/QUOTE]

If we get an extra 3rd rounder, we should be able to muster 3 immediate or future starters out of the draft. Also, our approach to free agency would certainly make more sense if we do get the pick.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;429259]I guess my question is, really the main guy we lost last year was Derrick Dockery....but we also signed Fletcher/Smoot.....so wouldnt we have signed just as highly stouted FA's as the one loss of Dockery?

I mean, I'm not complianing, cause that would be awsome, but does anyone know how exactly this is figured out before I get too excited?[/QUOTE]

I believe the fact that Smoot was cut made him ineligible in the calculation. I KNOW he isn't included in Minnesota's calculations because he was cut and did not become a true UFA due to an expiring contract.

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[url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=208336]NFL Forum :: - Projecting the 2008 Compensatory Picks[/url]

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;429314][url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=208336]NFL Forum :: - Projecting the 2008 Compensatory Picks[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah I think this guy's blog is being reposted around the Internet

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I had no idea this was a mathematical equation. I thought it was subjective.

Well, good for us!

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Little known fact. Tom Brady was not only a 6th round pick, but he was a 6th round compensatory pick. So these picks can definitely go a long way

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That is just sweet...this makes up for us not having a 4th!!!

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i'll update the complete draft order with these and newly traded picks this weekend.

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After reading this through, it appears that he's saying the acquisition of Fletcher = the loss of Duckett. I question whether we could actually get 2 7th rnd. picks for Wright & Holdman given their playing time. Holdman was on IR all year.

the 3rd round pick would be sweet! If we got even 1 7th rounder that would just be gravy. If we got 2 I'd be really surprised, but very happy. Given our recent success w/undrafted free agents, I like the chances of a 7th rounder making the team.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;429421]i'll update the complete draft order with these and newly traded picks this weekend.[/QUOTE]

When are they officially announced. That seems like putting the cart ahead of the horse.

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Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;429459]Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.[/QUOTE]

Except it's like a high 4th round pick, as opposed to one late in the round where we would be originally slotted

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It should only be good news in the end. It sounds like this guy is on track enough that we can say we'll at least get something. I'd be happy w/1 7th round pick, but if we get a 3rd it would be major. I know it's a high 4th in essence, but that's great in a year when we don't have a 4th.

Plus, players in those rounds are high value and usually about 50/50 in terms of making the team. I think having that pick would greatly impact the strategy the front office might take, as it gives them flexibility. e.g, I could see them picking 2 o linemen w/the 3rd round picks & opting not to take a highly rated o linemen in the 1st or 2nd.

Or, if a decent qb is availabe w/that last 3rd round pick, e.g. Ainge or Booty, I could see them nabbing him.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;429459]Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it would be great for us to get another 3rd rounder, but because its a compensatory pick, its really more like a 4th, so we really have just a normal draft.[/QUOTE]

Even if this pick made it a "normal draft", so what? We're still getting our pick back. I'd personally rather have the last pick in the 3rd round, than the 21st pick in the 4th. There are plenty of teams that do a lot of trading to get up 21 spaces.

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[quote=jsarno;429482]Even if this pick made it a "normal draft", so what? We're still getting our pick back. I'd personally rather have the last pick in the 3rd round, than the 21st pick in the 4th. There are plenty of teams that do a lot of trading to get up 21 spaces.[/quote]

no doubt, 21 slots is a pricey jump, would cost a pick to make a deal to move up that far in the 4th round.

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From Bleacherreport.com

The Washington Redskins’ new found commitment to finding talent through the draft may get a lot easier.

According to a source, very good at predicting which teams will get which compensatory picks in the upcoming NFL draft, the Redskins may receive as many as three extra selections in the April 26-27 draft. One might be a third-round pick.

Compensatory picks are awarded based on a complex formula devised by the NFL. Colonel Sanders did not guard his secret recipe any more closely than the NFL guards the exact formula.

We do know that it’s based on the net value of unrestricted free agents lost and free agents signed during the previous offseason. That net value is determined by three factors: the value of the contract signed, the amount of playing time the player got, and the player’s postseason awards.

So, a Pro Bowl player who signed a fat contract and started 16 games is worth more in the equation than one who signed a middling deal and spent half the year on injured reserve.

Beyond that, the details are unknown. Based off of the little that is known and extrapolating patterns from the picks awarded in the past, a few intrepid souls have cracked the code and have done a remarkable job in predicting the selections.

One of these niche within a niche experts goes by Adam, and he prefers to post the results of his research on various message boards. His forum may be unorthodox, but his accuracy is excellent when it comes to predicting the compensatory picks.

He took the facts and figures regarding Derrick Dockery, T. J. Duckett, Warrick Holdman, Kenny Wright (the qualifying free agents the Redskins lost), and London Fletcher (the sole qualifying FA the Skins signed), applied his interpretation of the formula, and came up with one compensatory pick following the third round and two more following the seventh round for the Redskins.

The three extra picks would give the Redskins nine selections in the 2008 draft. They have six of their seven original picks (the fourth round pick is going to Denver in the last installment of the Duckett trade).

Washington hasn’t had that many picks in a draft since 2002, when they had 10. Before that, you have to go back to 1993 when they also had nine (in an eight-round draft).

A team can’t trade a compensatory pick, but having some can make it easier to deal off some of your original selections. Vinny Cerrato has indicated that the team would like to hold on to all of its picks but this would give them some flexibility should a beneficial opportunity come along.

The official announcement of the compensatory picks will be made at the owners’ meeting in late March.

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This whole compensatory pick formula thing makes my head spin a bit. I was a little bummed to see the Eagles look to be getting an extra 4th and 5th, but if we do in fact end up with another 3rd, that's 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Man oh man, this is our best opportunity to build through the draft in years. If we get both extra projected 7th rounders as well, that would be 9 draft picks. I feel like I'm in bizzarro land, saying "9 draft picks" and "Redskins" in the same sentence.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;429504]From Bleacherreport.com

The Washington Redskins’ new found commitment to finding talent through the draft may get a lot easier.

According to a source, very good at predicting which teams will get which compensatory picks in the upcoming NFL draft, the Redskins may receive as many as three extra selections in the April 26-27 draft. One might be a third-round pick.

Compensatory picks are awarded based on a complex formula devised by the NFL. Colonel Sanders did not guard his secret recipe any more closely than the NFL guards the exact formula.

We do know that it’s based on the net value of unrestricted free agents lost and free agents signed during the previous offseason. That net value is determined by three factors: the value of the contract signed, the amount of playing time the player got, and the player’s postseason awards.

So, a Pro Bowl player who signed a fat contract and started 16 games is worth more in the equation than one who signed a middling deal and spent half the year on injured reserve.

Beyond that, the details are unknown. Based off of the little that is known and extrapolating patterns from the picks awarded in the past, a few intrepid souls have cracked the code and have done a remarkable job in predicting the selections.

One of these niche within a niche experts goes by Adam, and he prefers to post the results of his research on various message boards. His forum may be unorthodox, but his accuracy is excellent when it comes to predicting the compensatory picks.

He took the facts and figures regarding Derrick Dockery, T. J. Duckett, Warrick Holdman, Kenny Wright (the qualifying free agents the Redskins lost), and London Fletcher (the sole qualifying FA the Skins signed), applied his interpretation of the formula, and came up with one compensatory pick following the third round and two more following the seventh round for the Redskins.

The three extra picks would give the Redskins nine selections in the 2008 draft. They have six of their seven original picks (the fourth round pick is going to Denver in the last installment of the Duckett trade).

Washington hasn’t had that many picks in a draft since 2002, when they had 10. Before that, you have to go back to 1993 when they also had nine (in an eight-round draft).

A team can’t trade a compensatory pick, but having some can make it easier to deal off some of your original selections. Vinny Cerrato has indicated that the team would like to hold on to all of its picks but this would give them some flexibility should a beneficial opportunity come along.

The official announcement of the compensatory picks will be made at the owners’ meeting in late March.[/QUOTE]

Just in case people are unsure. The person who wrote this article on BleacherReport.com is Rich Tandler (self-proclaimed official Redskins historian), and his "source" is the blog that I linked to in the first post.

I just don't want people thinking that multiple sources are saying we'll get these picks. Everyone is just referring to "Adam" who does have a stellar track record with this.

By the way, for you aspiring sports writers out there bleacherreport.com is a good place to sharpen your skills

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/about]Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;429530]This whole compensatory pick formula thing makes my head spin a bit. I was a little bummed to see the Eagles look to be getting an extra 4th and 5th, but if we do in fact end up with another 3rd, that's 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Man oh man, this is our best opportunity to build through the draft in years. If we get both extra projected 7th rounders as well, that would be 9 draft picks. I feel like I'm in bizzarro land, saying "9 draft picks" and "Redskins" in the same sentence.[/quote]

the eagles lead the universe in comp picks. they ALWAYS get a bunch of them. baltimore gets a lot of them too.