This is a GOOD reason why we shouldn't touch a WR in the 1st.
 

The 1996 NFL draft will forever be known as "The Year of the Receiver." Future NFL stars Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens, Joe Horn, Terry Glenn, Keyshawn Johnson, Eddie Kennison, Eric Moulds, Mushin Muhammad, Amani Toomer and Bobby Engram were all selected over the same weekend back in April of '96.

'Eleven years later, nine of those 10 players were on NFL rosters in '07, with only Keyshawn — the top pick overall in that draft — not suiting up on Sundays. Johnson, of course, spent Sundays last season in Bristol, Conn., working as an analyst for ESPN.

Want to know about the next generation of NFL stars? We've got you covered as the clock ticks down toward the 2008 draft. Last year's draft class of receivers proved to be somewhat bountiful as well. No. 2 overall selection Calvin Johnson had a promising rookie campaign, fellow first-rounders Dwayne Bowe, Ted Ginn, Craig Davis and Anthony Gonzalez were all solid contributors, and later-round picks Steve Smith, Sidney Rice and James Jones all played significant roles on some of the NFC's top teams. Add in the intriguing prospect of productive second years from 2007 rookie flops Robert Meachem and Dwayne Jarrett, and that's a pretty solid batch of receivers.'

-click the link to read the whole thing.




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Another good reason:
we need to draft a DB in the first round b/c thats what we need most.

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Vinny Cerrato siad, that he does not think that there is a reciever, in this draft, that is worth a first round draft choice. Maybe, he is just trying to throw other teams off, but that is what he said.

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i dont think there isn't really a corner worth drafting the first round except maybe cromarties cousin...we should've went after Randall Gay or maybe even deangelo hall for a second rounder.

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Well I'd draft an impact d-lineman in the first if there were good ones available, but if he's still on the board I would love to see DRC in a 'Skins uni. I think a tall WR should be a priority in the second round though provided some of the bigger names are still available.

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Mike Jenkins from USF will be a shutdown corner in 2-3 years.

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, corners. Alright time for my latest bunch of propoganda.

Safetys are the new corners. For now I'll just keep it simple. Who has done more for their respective defenses?

DeAngelo Hall and Champ Bailey

or

Bob Sanders and Troy Polamlu. By the way does anyone even know off the top of their head who the starting corners are for the Colts and Steelers? Also the last time we took a corner in the draft we passed up on Shawn Meriman.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;433107]Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, corners. Alright time for my latest bunch of propoganda.

Safetys are the new corners. For now I'll just keep it simple. Who has done more for their respective defenses?

DeAngelo Hall and Champ Bailey

or

Bob Sanders and Troy Polamlu. By the way does anyone even know off the top of their head who the starting corners are for the Colts and Steelers? Also the last time we took a corner in the draft we passed up on Shawn Meriman.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure it's as simple as that. I mean if Champ Bailey and Troy Polamalu were on the same team, and each missed five games (not together) can you definitively say that the team would be better off in the five games Champ missed?

But more importantly, you're not the defensive coordinator of the Redskins. And neither am I. Greg Blache is. And Mr. Blaches says:

"A lot of people disagree with me on this but I firmly believe that in order to be successful on defense in today's football it starts with your corner position."

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=9966]Blache Talks Philosophy: Cornerbacks Are Key[/url]

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^^ i remember reading that blache said that. I just hope we can trade down and get 2-2nd rounders cus that would be awesome. Hopefully the falcons will want to pick up whoever we have at 21.

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I agree, but I think a 2nd or 3rd round WR will not fill our #2 WR spot. We need FA or a trade. Since there's nobody left in FA, then let's trade.

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we need linemen. its that simple. and if the redskins felt that corner was that pressing of a need, Mr. Hall would be in Washington right now

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[quote=dmek25;433123]we need linemen. its that simple. and if the redskins felt that corner was that pressing of a need, Mr. Hall would be in Washington right now[/quote]

maybe it isn't "that pressing of a need" but there are a couple other good reasons d. hall isn't here: 1) his $ demands, 2) his attitude.

That doesn't mean it's not a position of need. I wouldn't be surprised if we took a cb, wr, de w/our 1st pick, I think it'll come down to who is the best available player from a select few positions.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;433098]i dont think there isn't really a corner worth drafting the first round except maybe cromarties cousin...we should've went after Randall Gay or maybe even deangelo hall for a second rounder.[/quote]

Rogers-Cromartie is nothing special. He is a track star playing football. Some team is going to pick him in the first round because of his impressive 40 time and he is more than likely going to bust. Please don't let it be us.


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While you can say that film doesn't lie, you're also saying it from the eye of a non-football professional. There are many intricacies that coaches see that we don't. Just because I saw someone get burned in a certain game, doesn't mean they're any less capable of playing in the NFL.

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What about a draft day trade of the #21 pick...I would like to pick up a 2nd and possibly a later pick in this years draft OR a day 1 pick in next years draft. Reasons:
- looks like we are positioning ourselves to make some moves during next year's offseason so it would be good to pick up an extra pick or two (as trade potential or to make up for players to be cut to make room for big $ FA's).
- this draft is deep, and if we can draft a player with little talent drop off in the 35-50 range as we do at the 21 spot, I think that we should do it.
- Imagine if we were able to get 3 picks in next year's draft in the first two rounds (our 2 + 1 we acquire in this transaction)...thats how you build quality depth and secure urself for many years to come...
- We have some vets who are getting old but still have at least one or two good seasons left in them. They can hold out for their replacements to be drafted for one more year.
- Along with the previous point, our superstars aren't going anywhere for the next 4-5 years and if we can build quality depth over the next 2 years, we can make a run for something of a dynasty in future years.
- Just in case we do go after Cowher next year when he is ready, it would be good to give him as many picks as possible...(keepin the dream alive, haha :cheeky-sm)

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;433136]While you can say that film doesn't lie, you're also saying it from the eye of a non-football professional. There are many intricacies that coaches see that we don't. Just because I saw someone get burned in a certain game, doesn't mean they're any less capable of playing in the NFL.[/quote]

Some scouts and former opponents see it from my perspective as well. When I gather a list of names I will let you have them.

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Darrell Green has been working with Cromartie,case closed.

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I don't know about case closed but the fact that Darrell Green is working with him is a BIG plus. I don't see green coaching him unless there was either serious interest in him by the washington staff or unless green saw something special in him. At the very least it shows me that cromartie isn't just a "track star playing football", but rather a two sport guy very similar to Darrell Green himself.

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[quote=angryssg;433138]Some scouts and former opponents see it from my perspective as well. When I gather a list of names I will let you have them.[/quote]
for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

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Even Deion Sanders said "I have my name on you" to Cromartie at the scouting combine. All of that means nothing, Rogers-Cromartie still has to be the one that performs on Sundays; not Darrell Green, Primetime, or his cousin Antonio can perform for him. This is my gut feeling that too much stock is being invested in this kid for all the wrong reasons.
We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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[quote=dmek25;433145]for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?[/quote]

Long is absolutely a first round pick. Maybe not an overall number one, but who is in this draft? The money difference between the first pick and the 31 is not nearly the difference in talent this year.

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;433097]Vinny Cerrato siad, that he does not think that there is a reciever, in this draft, that is worth a first round draft choice. Maybe, he is just trying to throw other teams off, but that is what he said.[/QUOTE]

I feel like Vinny does and we can pick Talib in the 1st, Quentin Groves or Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd round, and I feel that Devin Thomas will still be there.

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[quote=dmek25;433145]for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?[/quote]

W/all due respect, I think you either haven't watched much UVA football, or if you have you don't pay attention to the line play or listen to the commentators when they talk about how Long was getting double teamed or how he penetrated the line and forced a running play the other way.

I watched a good no. of uva games & Chris Long has played lights out the past 2 years. He's got a great motor, good size, strength & speed & good moves. He'll struggle like most rookies do in the nfl, as he'll have to learn how to use his hands to keep OTs from holding him or locking him up, but he looks like a solid nfl player at least.

A "workout guy" is usually someone a little short on game production, that's not the case for Long. He's got game film & stats to go along w/his combine workout.

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[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;433157]I feel like Vinny does and we can pick Talib in the 1st, Quentin Groves or Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd round, and I feel that Devin Thomas will still be there.[/QUOTE]

Devin Thomas has Brandon Lloyd II, written all over him, he had on good year, has way too many drops, "Only one productive year in major college football. ... Will need to prove he's a legitimate downfield threat. ... Doesn't always make the tough deep catch that the best receivers do. ... Tries to do too much at times, dancing after the catch instead of heading upfield. ... Could sustain better when blocking larger safeties and linebackers." Here is a link:[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/devin-thomas?id=1036&campaign=gsi_g]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Devin Thomas[/url]

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;433107]Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, corners. Alright time for my latest bunch of propoganda.

Bob Sanders and Troy Polamlu. By the way does anyone even know off the top of their head who the starting corners are for the Colts and Steelers? Also the last time we took a corner in the draft we passed up on Shawn Meriman.[/QUOTE]

Interesting theory, safeties are the new corners. Especially in a cover two style defense where the corners don't have to match up man-to-man. But, you still have to have decent corners. I think the Colts have knack for evaluating good db's because of Dungy.

Without research i can name Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, and Tim Jennings. I have no clue who the Steelers corners are though. (I must admit i was in a fantasy football league that kept individual defense player stats.)
--Good point.

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[QUOTE=30gut;433174]Interesting theory, safeties are the new corners. Especially in a cover two style defense where the corners don't have to match up man-to-man. But, you still have to have decent corners. I think the Colts have knack for evaluating good db's because of Dungy.

Without research i can name Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, and Tim Jennings. I have no clue who the Steelers corners are though. (I must admit i was in a fantasy football league that kept individual defense player stats.)
--Good point.[/QUOTE]

Bryant McFadden I think and Ike Taylor.

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[quote=dmek25;433145]for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?[/quote]

Is this a joke? While I'm not going to predict his pro career, he was flat out AMAZING in college. We're talking about a 3-4 defensive end here who was constantly fighting off double teams. He carried that team on his back, and without him they maybe win 5 games. To say that he's not even a first rounder shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

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Alot of people pay to work out with Darrell Green, thats how he makes his money these days.. He has taught a lot of prospects coming int othe draft, he has a webpage. I think [url=http://www.darrellgreen.com]Welcome to Darrell Green.com[/url] but I see darrell around here in newport news sometimes like a year or so ago cus he would come watch his son play football.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;433145]for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?[/QUOTE]

BULLLLLSHIT,, Chris Long is the safest pick in this draft. HE can be used in SO many positions on your team, and his character and work ethic is AWESOME. He can be a stand up linebacker, he can rush off the edge, he can do it all. I wish there was somehow we could land Chris because he will be a GREAT player for years to come. You dont grow up with a pedigree like that and then go and play football like he did for UVA, and then bust in the NFL. IT's not gonna happen, his work ethic is TOO strong and his dad and who knows has been grooming him since he was born to be here.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;433178]Is this a joke? While I'm not going to predict his pro career, he was flat out AMAZING in college. We're talking about a 3-4 defensive end here who was constantly fighting off double teams. He carried that team on his back, and without him they maybe win 5 games. To say that he's not even a first rounder shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.[/QUOTE]

absolutely correct.

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[quote=dmek25;433145]for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?[/quote]Very rarely, does a player come along that you already know enough about him before he gets drafted to say that he's a lock to be a top 5 pick, but there are really no questions Chris Long has to answer.

With absolutely no relation to Howie, this kid still has the stuff to be a top 5 selection. The fact that he's got the same blood as an NFL hall of famer gives you insight into his mental makeup that we have very little ability to judge on other prospects.

We use the phrase "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" to make an excuse for a kid who gets into trouble, and instead to blame the parents for the mismanagement of the undisciplined child. That phrase can work in a good sense too. Clearly he's got elite talent, but while all the other players with elite talent are relative unknowns in terms of work ethic, you KNOW that Chris Long won't have any issues with handling the mental load of the NFL because his gene set has already been proven to handle it.

Now I'm not saying that every NFL player will have a kid who will also grow up to be an NFL player. Obviously, that's not the case, but in Long's case...he would be a top 5 pick in the draft if he had NO ties to Howie, and the fact that he does makes him as close to a sure thing as the draft can offer.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;433162]Devin Thomas has Brandon Lloyd II, written all over him, he had on good year, has way too many drops, "Only one productive year in major college football. ... Will need to prove he's a legitimate downfield threat. ... Doesn't always make the tough deep catch that the best receivers do. ... Tries to do too much at times, dancing after the catch instead of heading upfield. ... Could sustain better when blocking larger safeties and linebackers." Here is a link:[URL="http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/devin-thomas?id=1036&campaign=gsi_g"]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Devin Thomas[/URL][/quote]I agree with you here. No player in this draft screams bust more than Devin Thomas.

Is he doomed? Not necessarily. But an intelligent GM would let him get well, well past the slot where his skills grade out before they take a shot on him.

If I'm a GM, I wouldn't touch him before the third round, when his physical skills would then justify the huge risk I'm taking on him.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;433158]W/all due respect, I think you either haven't watched much UVA football, or if you have you don't pay attention to the line play or listen to the commentators when they talk about how Long was getting double teamed or how he penetrated the line and forced a running play the other way.

I watched a good no. of uva games & Chris Long has played lights out the past 2 years. He's got a great motor, good size, strength & speed & good moves. He'll struggle like most rookies do in the nfl, as he'll have to learn how to use his hands to keep OTs from holding him or locking him up, but he looks like a solid nfl player at least.

A "workout guy" is usually someone a little short on game production, that's not the case for Long. He's got game film & stats to go along w/his combine workout.[/QUOTE]


I agree, except that chris long already uses his hands crazy..Scouts were exceptionally surprised to see how he used his hands on pro day and whatever. I think he will be a force instantly guys. And IM willing to bet on it. He's big,fast,smart,great work ethic,quick,GREAT motor, and great athlete.

And he comes from a Hall of Famer. HE knows what it takes to win, he has tat mentality, and he has been groomed his whole life for this here, right now. Chris Long will be something the Dolphins can build their franchise around. No matter what he ends up playing.

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for i am too lazy to look, anyone care to post his senior year/ career stats? i don't think he what he is perceived to be. strictly my opinion

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;433162]Devin Thomas has Brandon Lloyd II, written all over him, he had on good year, has way too many drops, "Only one productive year in major college football. ... Will need to prove he's a legitimate downfield threat. ... Doesn't always make the tough deep catch that the best receivers do. ... Tries to do too much at times, dancing after the catch instead of heading upfield. ... Could sustain better when blocking larger safeties and linebackers." Here is a link:[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/devin-thomas?id=1036&campaign=gsi_g]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Devin Thomas[/url][/QUOTE]

I see what you are saying but I think he has the potential to be coached into a good pro player.

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[url=http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball/wb/155143]Long shows scouts LB skills - Roanoke.com[/url]

here's an article on his pro day, also note that Buges was there to evaluate Albert. I'll try & look up his stats as well but saw this & thought it was interesting.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;433205]for i am too lazy to look, anyone care to post his senior year/ career stats? i don't think he what he is perceived to be. strictly my opinion[/QUOTE]

are you going to give any kind of arguement? or is it just because you dont like the way he looks? and the fact his dad is a HOF? and is on tv all the time? seriously, at least give a reason why you think he's overrated. Cus so far everyone has given you reasons why he ISNT.

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Also, college career stats are skewed, and if you wanna look at his senior stats, im sure they are monsterish. You can't even compare a players freshman year to his senior year, this is why the stats are skewed, but im pretty sure Chris still have decent stats. He has played lights out for over 2 years

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""I have no preference where I go; I have no preference where I'm picked. What's important is the career after that, whether you're picked [No.] 1 through 30." - chris long


how could you NOT want this guy on your team?? he's a peyton manning on the Defense.

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From wikipedia for what it's worth:

Career Stats
2004 5 tackles, 2 for loss, 1 sack.
2005 46 tackles, 10 for a loss, 2 sacks, 7 passes broken up
2006 57 tackles, 12 for a loss, 5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 pass broken up
2007 79 tackles, 19 for a loss, 14 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 10 passes broken up and 1 interception.
Total 187 tackles, 43 for a loss, 22 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 17 passes broken up and 1 interception.