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SmootSmack 03-20-2008 09:09 PM

Dying Girl Denied Chance To Visit Father
 
"But the heartbroken family of a 10-year-old Nebraska girl diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, who is not expected to live through the end of the month, say the Federal Bureau of Prisons has denied the child's dying wish: that her incarcerated father be furloughed to be by his child's bedside when she dies."

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4490468&page=1]ABC News: Child's Dying Wish to See Dad Unfulfilled[/url]

Lady Brave, the prison system is in your wheelhouse; what are your thoughts on this?

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-20-2008 09:19 PM

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What was her dad charged with? I feel sorry for the girl.

SmootSmack 03-20-2008 09:26 PM

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Dealing drugs

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-20-2008 09:30 PM

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I say let him out to see her make him wear a bracelet and bring him back or let an officer escort him there. It isnt the girls fault that this happened to her.

EternalEnigma21 03-20-2008 09:30 PM

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that's tragic. Completely tragic.

JoeRedskin 03-20-2008 09:56 PM

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They aren't punishing him. They are punishing her. Sad truly sad. Some damn bureaucrat has a bug up there ass and is pulling a "it's the guidelines" crap. If this was a Kennedy (insert celebrity here), do we think there would be an issue?

Lady Brave 03-20-2008 10:16 PM

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I'm not really sure what the reasoning is behind denying the visit given that he's been approved for supervised visits in the past. If he's asking for an extended stay, then I can understand why the prison won't grant the request. Transportation, security and manpower issues are always taken into account when granting these types of requests.

I think the main thing is, if the prison administration gives special consideration to an inmate for extraordinary circumstances beyond what's established in their guidelines, then they run the risk of opening a floodgate of requests from other inmates. Each time you bend the rules a little, you set a precedent that other inmates will attempt to use for their advantage.

Lady Brave 03-20-2008 10:19 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;433666]They aren't punishing him. They are punishing her. Sad truly sad. Some damn bureaucrat has a bug up there ass and is pulling a "it's the guidelines" crap. If this was a Kennedy (insert celebrity here), do we think there would be an issue?[/quote]
Well, one could make the argument that his irresponsible decisions are what's ultimately punishing his daughter.

SmootSmack 03-20-2008 10:24 PM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;433673]I'm not really sure what the reasoning is behind denying the visit given that he's been approved for supervised visits in the past. If he's asking for an extended stay, then I can understand why the prison won't grant the request. Transportation, security and manpower issues are always taken into account when granting these types of requests.

I think the main thing is, if the prison administration gives special consideration to an inmate for extraordinary circumstances beyond what's established in their guidelines, then they run the risk of opening a floodgate of requests from other inmates. Each time you bend the rules a little, you set a precedent that other inmates will attempt to use for their advantage.[/QUOTE]

Do the guidelines need to be changed then?

hooskins 03-20-2008 10:30 PM

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I understand what you are saying Lady Brave, but perhaps an exception for a dying family member?

Lady Brave 03-20-2008 10:55 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;433675]Do the guidelines need to be changed then?[/quote]
In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.

SmootSmack 03-20-2008 11:05 PM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;433699]In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.[/QUOTE]

It's an unenviable position to be in, I'm sure. I completely understand what you're saying about a precedent being set.

Still, it's hard not to sympathize with the girl.

Lady Brave 03-20-2008 11:14 PM

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[quote=hooskins;433681]I understand what you are saying Lady Brave, but perhaps an exception for a dying family member?[/quote]
Based on my personal experience, this particular inmate should be grateful he's been allowed outside visits with his daughter at all. Most inmates don't get that opportunity. Especially those who are housed in local confinement facilities like I work in.

We only allow inmates to visit the funeral home after a family member has passed away and they are only allowed brief contact with the family. The reason for that is the potential for a family member to slip a weapon or contraband to the inmate. Safety and security is our primary focus regardless of the situation. I'm a civilian employee, not a certified detention officer. So it's a bit difficult for me to explain all the factors or different scenarios that are taken into account when dealing with these type of situations.

jsarno 03-20-2008 11:34 PM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;433699]In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.[/QUOTE]

I 100% agree with you LB.

Sure, you feel for the dying girl, but you have to understand that it's the HORRIBLE acts of the father that put them in this situation. So if they make an exception for this guy, where do they stop making exceptions? People need to stop blaming others for their problems...those family members should look at that father and tell him what a worthless peice of poo he is for doing this kind of thing to his daughter. It's 100% the father's fault. Not the system, not the lawyer, not the jury, it's all the father's fault. No one should blame anyone but him.

SmootSmack 03-20-2008 11:42 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;433709]I 100% agree with you LB.

Sure, you feel for the dying girl, but you have to understand that it's the HORRIBLE acts of the father that put them in this situation. So if they make an exception for this guy, where do they stop making exceptions? People need to stop blaming others for their problems...those family members should look at that father and tell him what a worthless peice of poo he is for doing this kind of thing to his daughter. It's 100% the father's fault. Not the system, not the lawyer, not the jury, it's all the father's fault. No one should blame anyone but him.[/QUOTE]

Well, I couldn't find it in the article. I know it was drug related, but I'd like to know what exactly he did that was HORRIBLE.

LB, I hope you don't think I was trying to put you on the spot with this thread.

Lady Brave 03-20-2008 11:59 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;433713]Well, I couldn't find it in the article. I know it was drug related, but I'd like to know what exactly he did that was HORRIBLE.

LB, I hope you don't think I was trying to put you on the spot with this thread.[/quote]
If he was convicted of Federal drug charges, then I would think he was a major player in the distribution of controlled substances. We're not talking about being busted for a small bag of marijuana. When the DEA comes knocking on your door, then you know you're in some pretty big doo doo.

I don't feel put on the spot. I wish I were in a position where I could shed a bit more light on how the federal prison system works. However, I only work at the lowly state level, so my knowledge is very limited. If memory serves, someone else here has mentioned working within the federal prison system in the past. Maybe they can offer a more educated opinion than I can.

jamf 03-21-2008 02:08 AM

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Jsarno, I think you are reading a little too much into the article.
He was convicted on Methamphetamine charges. I don't know if he sold or used but I wouldn't categorize a Meth charge as a HORRIBLE act.
Also, I never read in the article where he blamed anyone other than himself.

Major players don't get 5 years. I have an uncle that was a player down in Jsarnos area and he is serving 25 to life.

With that said, This guy has completed over 90% of his sentence in a minimum security prison. He is going to be released in August to a halfway house. They are not asking to give the father a break, They are simply asking for compassion for a dying little girl.

My personal opinion is that he should not get released for an extended period of time but a few days, Maybe a weekend while staying at a halfway house.
If his last name was Hilton, He would've been out 2.5 years ago.



They let inmates out for funerals, I think saying goodbye to the child while she is living is more important than going to her funeral which he would be released for.

[url=http://www.kolnkgin.com/home/headlines/16762906.html]Another Article with a little more information[/url]

jamf 03-21-2008 02:12 AM

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If a terminal Illness isn't a family crisis, I don't know what is.
I can't imagine anything worse than watching your own child die.

[url=http://www.bop.gov/inmate_programs/temp_release.jsp]BOP: Inmate Temporary Release From Custody[/url]

Under special, limited circumstances, inmates who meet strict requirements may be allowed temporary releases from the institution through furloughs and staff-escorted trips. A furlough allows inmates to be in the community without a staff escort.

There are several purposes for furloughs: for example these enable inmates to be present during a family crisis, facilitate re-establishing family and community ties, and allow an inmate to participate in certain activities to help his/her release transition. The Bureau may authorize staff-escorted trips for purposes such as visiting a critically-ill family member; attending a funeral; receiving medical treatment; or participating in educational, religious, or work-related functions.

dmek25 03-21-2008 07:00 AM

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i personally find it very hard to have any sympathy for the dad. my heart goes out to the little girl. and something tells me something doesn't smell right about the whole thing. but he ultimately made the choice of drugs OVER his own flesh and blood

MTK 03-21-2008 07:32 AM

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Jeez let the girl see her Dad one last time for christ sake.

Put all the BS and politics aside, this is a dying 10 year old who just wants to see her father one last time.

JoeRedskin 03-21-2008 09:09 AM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;433674]Well, one could make the argument that his irresponsible decisions are what's ultimately punishing his daughter.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. His decisions and actions caused him to be incarcerated and absent at the time of his daughter's need.

The state, by denying the visitation and asserting these are not "extraordinary circumstances", is excerbating the harm by refusing to act humanely.

So - yes. His own decisions caused the initial and continuing harm but the state, acting on my behalf, is being merciless in its punishment and needlessly aggravating an already painful situation for an innocent girl. Sorry, I would hope that appropriate mercy is quality we would like to demonstrate to our youth.

MTK 03-21-2008 09:13 AM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;433748]Absolutely. His decisions and actions caused him to be incarcerated and absent at the time of his daughter's need.

The state, by denying the visitation and asserting these are not "extraordinary circumstances", is excerbating the harm by refusing to act humanely.

So - yes. His own decisions caused the initial and continuing harm but the state, acting on my behalf, is being merciless in its punishment and needlessly aggravating an already painful situation for an innocent girl. Sorry, [B]I would hope that appropriate mercy is quality we would like to demonstrate to our youth[/B].[/quote]

I definitely agree

Lady Brave 03-21-2008 09:29 AM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;433748]Absolutely. His decisions and actions caused him to be incarcerated and absent at the time of his daughter's need.

The state, by denying the visitation and asserting these are not "extraordinary circumstances", is excerbating the harm by refusing to act humanely.

So - yes. His own decisions caused the initial and continuing harm but the state, acting on my behalf, is being merciless in its punishment and needlessly aggravating an already painful situation for an innocent girl. Sorry, I would hope that appropriate mercy is quality we would like to demonstrate to our youth.[/quote]

Based on an earlier article, the family is asking for his sentence to be modified, which the prison administration does not have the authority to do. Based on the information given, the family's petition should be addressed by the federal court that sentenced him, not the prison.

[URL="http://www.kolnkgin.com/home/headlines/16863816.html"]Helping Jayci[/URL]

[quote] Officials at the Federal Prison Camp are sensitive to the request from inmate Yaeger and his family to allow him to visit his daughter. In response to inmate Yeager's request, he has been escorted by prison staff on three separate occasions to allow him to be with his daughter during this difficult time. Two of these trips have occurred within the past month. We have also assisted inmate Yaeger in maintaining telephonic contact with his family and daughter.

The Bureau of Prisons routinely utilizes furloughs and escorted trips in response to family emergencies, whichever is deemed most appropriate based on a review of security and safety concerns for both the inmate involved and the community.

Bureau of Prisons officials have reviewed inmate Yaeger's request for a compassionate release and have determined his situation does not meet the criteria set forth by the Bureau of Prisons Program ... Inmate Yaeger's request for extended placement in a Residential Re-entry Center is currently in litigation; therefore, we are unable to comment further on this request.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does not have the authority to release or suspend a court imposed sentence. Our agency's mission is to protect society by confining offenders in controlled environments of prisons and community-based facilities, which are safe, humane and appropriately secure[I].[/I][/quote]

JoeRedskin 03-21-2008 09:48 AM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;433755]Based on an earlier article, the [B]family is asking for his sentence to be modified[/B], which the prison administration does not have the authority to do. Based on the information given, the family's petition should be addressed by the federal court that sentenced him, not the prison.[/QUOTE]

That, to me makes sense, and, if true, then the I would hope the judge in this matter would act with alacrity and appropriate mercy.


[QUOTE]Officials at the Federal Prison Camp are sensitive to the request from inmate Yaeger and his family to allow him to visit his daughter. In response to inmate Yeager's request, he has been escorted by prison staff on three separate occasions to allow him to be with his daughter during this difficult time. Two of these trips have occurred within the past month. We have also assisted inmate Yaeger in maintaining telephonic contact with his family and daughter.

The Bureau of Prisons routinely utilizes furloughs and escorted trips in response to family emergencies, whichever is deemed most appropriate based on a review of security and safety concerns for both the inmate involved and the community.

[B]Bureau of Prisons officials have reviewed inmate Yaeger's request for a compassionate release and have determined his situation does not meet the criteria set forth by the Bureau of Prisons Program [/B]... Inmate Yaeger's request for extended placement in a Residential Re-entry Center is currently in litigation; therefore, we are unable to comment further on this request.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does not have the authority to release or suspend a court imposed sentence. Our agency's mission is to protect society by confining offenders in controlled environments of prisons and community-based facilities, which are safe, humane and appropriately secure. [/QUOTE]

The part I bolded seems to indicate that the BOP has some authority over this situation. Also, with whom is Yaeger in litigaton over the Re-entry Center? Again, if the BOP, then - based solely on the facts that I know at this time- I would hope appropriate mercy be shown.

JoeRedskin 03-21-2008 10:04 AM

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;433699]In my opinion, no. We have guidelines in place for a good reason and we don't make decisions hastily when confronted with issues like these. [B]People may not agree with the rules we have in place, but they are necessary in order to maintain fairness when dealing with all inmates, not just a select few.[/B][/QUOTE]

I think my credentials as a law and order guy are pretty well established. So, while I generally agree with you, I believe an essential part of our government and its criminal system is the human element which requires flexibility even within the rules. Judges and juries are expected to rely on there own experiences. Further, a state that inflexibly applies rules and regulations often ignores or acts contrary to the original intent of those rules.

No matter how carefully we draft rules, regulations or statutes, a situtation will arise that was meant to be covered, or should have been covered, but does not appear covered by the plain language of the writing.

In this case, if the plain language of the rules do not permit an expedited movement of the prisoner from one facility to another in situations where such movement can assist the health and welfare of an innocent without undue burden to the state or increased harm to the public, then a) the rules need to be changed; and b) a careful analysis of the applicable rules needs to be made so that the move can be accomplished, if (to paraphrase a Man For All Seasons) "a sliver of an opening exists" to permit the requested movement.

jsarno 03-22-2008 11:37 AM

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;433713]Well, I couldn't find it in the article. I know it was drug related, but I'd like to know what exactly he did that was HORRIBLE.

LB, I hope you don't think I was trying to put you on the spot with this thread.[/QUOTE]

I assume then you think anything related to drugs is OK then? And even worse, someone related to meth (as someone pointed out). Meth is a disgusting drug, and like LB said, it wasn't a bag of weed.
He's in jail for a reason, and he deserves to be in jail, and it's not cause what he did was a light offense.

People need to pay the consequences of thier actions. I am shocked at how many people are willing to look the other way at his offenses and break the rules for this guy.

firstdown 03-24-2008 11:38 AM

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I feel for this little girl but they have allowed him to vist her three times so its not like they have ignored all his request.

KLHJ2 03-24-2008 12:38 PM

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[quote=jsarno;433709]I 100% agree with you LB.

Sure, you feel for the dying girl, but you have to understand that it's the HORRIBLE acts of the father that put them in this situation. So if they make an exception for this guy, where do they stop making exceptions? People need to stop blaming others for their problems...those family members should look at that father and tell him what a worthless peice of poo he is for doing this kind of thing to his daughter. It's 100% the father's fault. Not the system, not the lawyer, not the jury, it's all the father's fault. No one should blame anyone but him.[/quote]

I did not expect to hear this from you for 2 reasons.

1. You have lost a child.

2. You openly acknowlege that some forms of usage are OK.

I cannot fathom how you believe that his acts are horrible, but yours are not.

I am not picking on you or trying to piss you off, but it sounds like hypocracy to me. I know that I do not need to say this, but please explain your point of view on this matter.

[quote=jsarno;433987]I assume then you think anything related to drugs is OK then? And even worse, someone related to meth (as someone pointed out). Meth is a disgusting drug, and like LB said, it wasn't a bag of weed.
He's in jail for a reason, and he deserves to be in jail, and it's not cause what he did was a light offense.

People need to pay the consequences of thier actions. I am shocked at how many people are willing to look the other way at his offenses and break the rules for this guy.[/quote]

Edit. I posted that befor I saw this^.

Ok, so because he is such a horrible person for selling a much more disgusting drug, his daughter should not be granted her death wish?

MTK 03-24-2008 01:56 PM

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Good points angryssg, I've got my popcorn ready for this one.

jsarno 03-24-2008 08:57 PM

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[QUOTE=angryssg;434143]I did not expect to hear this from you for 2 reasons.

1. You have lost a child.

2. You openly acknowlege that some forms of usage are OK.

I cannot fathom how you believe that his acts are horrible, but yours are not.

I am not picking on you or trying to piss you off, but it sounds like hypocracy to me. I know that I do not need to say this, but please explain your point of view on this matter.



Edit. I posted that befor I saw this^.

Ok, so because he is such a horrible person for selling a much more disgusting drug, his daughter should not be granted her death wish?[/QUOTE]

It's not about his daughter, it's about him. That's what people are not seeing. I already explained I feel for the daughter, but it's the sins of the father that need to be punished.
Also, while I do feel weed should be legal, if I was caught with it, I would expect there to be consequences. You can't expect to do illegal things then be able to do what you want.
I have also explained in other threads that God put marijuana on this planet for a reason, it's due to ignorance that it's illegal.
Meth on the other hand is a concoction of man, and it's amazingly addictive and kills people. It ruins people's lives. How many people has this man indirectly killed? How many people's lives has he ruined with the Meth he sold them?

htownskinfan 03-24-2008 11:09 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434293]It's not about his daughter, it's about him. That's what people are not seeing. I already explained I feel for the daughter, but it's the sins of the father that need to be punished.
Also, while I do feel weed should be legal, if I was caught with it, I would expect there to be consequences. You can't expect to do illegal things then be able to do what you want.
I have also explained in other threads that God put marijuana on this planet for a reason, it's due to ignorance that it's illegal.
Meth on the other hand is a concoction of man, and it's amazingly addictive and kills people. It ruins people's lives. How many people has this man indirectly killed? How many people's lives has he ruined with the Meth he sold them?[/QUOTE]

I concur

JoeRedskin 03-24-2008 11:54 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434293]It's not about his daughter, it's about him. That's what people are not seeing. I already explained I feel for the daughter, but it's the sins of the father that need to be punished.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, this IS about the daughter. Yes, the "sins of the father" need to be punished. As far as I can tell, he is still subject to the sentence he is currently serving, and no one (to my knowledge) is suggesting that his sentence be commuted or that he be paroled. Rather, there is desire by some members of the family to expedite a change in the terms of his incarceration - a change that is due to occur and, as I stated earlier, will create a benefit for an innocent member of the public (the man is scheduled to enter the facility in something like 60 days).

The daughter, who has done no wrong, is being denied a means by which her suffering can be eased - that denial is being done by the State. True, a benefit will accrue to the criminal by the nature of the benefit given to the innocent. So what? the criminal will still be punished by serving his term. Instead, and as I have said earlier, in addition to carrying out the State's mandated punishment, the State can demonstrate that mercy is an element of governance.

[QUOTE=jsarno;434293]Meth on the other hand is a concoction of man, and it's amazingly addictive and kills people. It ruins people's lives. How many people has this man indirectly killed? How many people's lives has he ruined with the Meth he sold them?[/QUOTE]

And so, the State should contribute to the suffering of one more innocent harmed by this man's dealing of meth?

The father has been and will be continue to be punished by the knowledge that he has been unable to be with his daughter during her time of need (as he continues to serve the final 10 months of his incarceration). Now, on her deathbed, the daughter desires something that the State can grant without compromising the punishment of the criminal. I, for one, think the State should do what it can do to ease [I]her[/I] suffering. (You have suggested that the family should blame the father - fine, they may very well be doing so. Perhaps, however, they are more focused on creating a solution for the child and saving there recriminiations until after her death - at which time they will all have a lifetime to hate him).

Rules are rules - we cannot ignore them nor should we have too much compassion for those who break them. At the same time, a slavish dedication to and a merciless application of rules creates a heartless society that ultimately forgets that the rules serve the society, not vice versa.

jsarno 03-25-2008 12:40 AM

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;434357]

The daughter, who has done no wrong, is being denied a means by which her suffering can be eased - that denial is being done by the State. [/quote]

See, this is where we differ. You see it from HER perspective, but in actuality, she is not being denied a thing, he is. She is not bound by any rules, she did nothing wrong. The rules are applying to him, and him only. The fact that the rules are being applied to him means the ones that he loves, and the ones that love him will suffer some, but that's the price that they all pay because of what he did. To ignore the rules or bend them for someone like him means you need to do it for everyone that asks. Are you prepared for that?

[quote]I, for one, think the State should do what it can do to ease [I]her[/I] suffering. [/quote]

I don't see why...they are not bound to her in any way. The state has custody of the father, and rightfully so, they have no responsibility to the daughter, and should not be put in this situation.

[quote]Rules are rules - we cannot ignore them nor should we have too much compassion for those who break them. At the same time, a slavish dedication to and a merciless application of rules creates a heartless society that ultimately forgets that the rules serve the society, not vice versa.[/QUOTE]

That's a profound statement, and you are right for the most part. You just need to remember that when you give and inch, people want a mile. There are rules for a reason, and they do not say anything about allowing the father to see his daughter. Rules do serve society, and in this case rules dictate that he not leave prison.
Do you realize that it does cost tax dollars to allow him to leave the prison? I for one do not want my tax dollars going to help a criminal feel a little better about himself.
Again, this is not about the daughter, this is about him.

KLHJ2 03-25-2008 08:21 AM

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[quote=jsarno;434293]It's not about his daughter, it's about him. That's what people are not seeing. I already explained I feel for the daughter, but it's the sins of the father that need to be punished.
Also, while I do feel weed should be legal, if I was caught with it, I would expect there to be consequences. You can't expect to do illegal things then be able to do what you want.
I have also explained in other threads that God put marijuana on this planet for a reason, it's due to ignorance that it's illegal.
Meth on the other hand is a concoction of man, and it's amazingly addictive and kills people. It ruins people's lives. How many people has this man indirectly killed? How many people's lives has he ruined with the Meth he sold them?[/quote]

I must say that I disagree with you and will not budge from my position just as you will not budge from yours. I feel that she should be able to spend her remaining time with her father. Then he should go back and finish his debt to society.

This is one of those instances where political BS can be put aside and an execption to policy should be made. The man is not looking for a pass to go out on the town to pay a conjugal visit to the hookers in Vegas, he is going to spend final quality time with his daughter.

I'm done with this topic.

MTK 03-25-2008 08:48 AM

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[quote=angryssg;434387]I must say that I disagree with you and will not budge from my position just as you will not budge from yours. I feel that she should be able to spend her remaining time with her father. Then he should go back and finish his debt to society.

[B]This is one of those instances where political BS can be put aside and an execption to policy should be made. The man is not looking for a pass to go ot on the town to pay a conjugal visit to the hookers in Vegas, he is going to spend final quality time with his daughter.[/B]

I'm done with this topic.[/quote]

I agree.

djnemo65 03-25-2008 09:27 AM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434293]It's not about his daughter, it's about him. That's what people are not seeing. I already explained I feel for the daughter, but it's the sins of the father that need to be punished.
Also, while I do feel weed should be legal, if I was caught with it, I would expect there to be consequences. You can't expect to do illegal things then be able to do what you want.
I have also explained in other threads that God put marijuana on this planet for a reason, it's due to ignorance that it's illegal.
Meth on the other hand is a concoction of man, and it's amazingly addictive and kills people. It ruins people's lives. How many people has this man indirectly killed? How many people's lives has he ruined with the Meth he sold them?[/QUOTE]

Given that you frequently acknowledge marijuana use I am surprised by the arrogance and inflexibility of your position. The day you stop habitually committing illegal acts is the day, in my book, you can get on here and condemn someone else for drug related crimes. This is all relative after all, and there are plenty of people who feel you should be in jail just like there are plenty of people who feel meth should be legal.

firstdown 03-25-2008 10:13 AM

Re: Dying Girl Denied Chance To Visit Father
 
Well it seemed that the father did not care about his daughter when he was out doing what he did to go to jail but now he does? I did not read the whole story but did he know of her illness before he went to jail?

SmootSmack 03-25-2008 10:29 AM

Re: Dying Girl Denied Chance To Visit Father
 
[QUOTE=firstdown;434434]Well it seemed that the father did not care about his daughter when he was out doing what he did to go to jail but now he does? I did not read the whole story but did he know of her illness before he went to jail?[/QUOTE]

I believe she's only recently (in the past few months) been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer.

jsarno 03-25-2008 01:28 PM

Re: Dying Girl Denied Chance To Visit Father
 
[QUOTE=djnemo65;434416]Given that you frequently acknowledge marijuana use I am surprised by the arrogance and inflexibility of your position. The day you stop habitually committing illegal acts is the day, in my book, you can get on here and condemn someone else for drug related crimes. This is all relative after all, and there are plenty of people who feel you should be in jail just like there are plenty of people who feel meth should be legal.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me sir, but I do not admit to habitually using marijuana. In fact, I have not even smoked a single j in over 8 months.
I have not "habitually" used it since college which was well over a decade ago. Just cause I believe marijuana should be legal, and admit to have used it on occasion over the past decade, does not mean i am a habitual user.
And yes, it does mean I can condemn people for drug related crimes, when the drug is something that kills people and destroys people's lives and families. If you want to compare marijuana and meth in your own head, be my guest, but don't for one second spew that garbage on here. There is no comparison. Meth is a horrible drug. To compare the two is ignorance and quite frankly I expect more from you.

SmootSmack 03-25-2008 01:38 PM

Re: Dying Girl Denied Chance To Visit Father
 
Meth is certainly a terrible drug. And I realize this man has been serving five years for possession and distribution, still I'd like to know exactly what happened and the circumstances surrounding it. Was he some drug kingpin, or did he get caught up in a bad (possible one-time situation) where he saw an instant opportunity to make some money (maybe he was laid off or something) for himself and his family. Considering he's in a minimum security prison I tend to lean toward the latter.

This doesn't mean I think anything related to drugs is ok. I just wish I knew more about his situation.

Either way, it's a very sad situation for the little girl.


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