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jsarno 03-24-2008 09:38 PM

Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80761a0a&template=with-video&confirm=true]Johnson skips voluntary workouts in show of unhappiness[/url]

Typical of CJ...I'm glad we have stayed away from him.

Redskin Warrior 03-24-2008 09:50 PM

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T.J. didn't go to the workouts either but no one is talking about him that is the same thing. I see what C.J. is saying now every one is quick to point the finger at him but his teammates and others do the same thing but he gets knocked for it.

SmootSmack 03-24-2008 09:53 PM

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Oh no, he's skipping voluntary workouts! Aaah, he'll never succeed here with dedicated workout guys like Portis, Moss, Springs...oh wait....

Skipping a workout is actually pretty atypical of CJ.

jsarno 03-24-2008 09:57 PM

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;434317]Oh no, he's skipping voluntary workouts! Aaah, he'll never succeed here with dedicated workout guys like Portis, Moss, Springs...oh wait....

Skipping a workout is actually pretty atypical of CJ.[/QUOTE]

But he's skipping solely because he wants to be traded. He's whining like a little baby.

Ruhskins 03-24-2008 10:05 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434324]But he's skipping solely because he wants to be traded. He's whining like a little baby.[/QUOTE]

And Springs skipped OTAs b/c he was having issues with the team, so what's the big deal?

jsarno 03-24-2008 10:07 PM

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;434333]And Springs skipped OTAs b/c he was having issues with the team, so what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]

Wasn't that a contractual issue. I don't fully recall.

I have always hated when players whine to get thier way, doesn't matter who it is. You signed a contract, and a lucrative one at that...be a man and honor it.

Dirtbag59 03-24-2008 10:09 PM

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"Hi I'm Chad Johnson and I want to play for the Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Texans, Chargers, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos, Patriots, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Buc's, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks, Cardinals, Bears, Vikings, Packers, Lions, Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys."

Please stay away from this man.

Redskin Warrior 03-24-2008 10:10 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434336]Wasn't that a contractual issue. I don't fully recall.

I have always hated when players whine to get thier way, doesn't matter who it is. You signed a contract, and a lucrative one at that...be a man and honor it.[/QUOTE]

And you don't think the root of this whole thing is money honesty I hear him and I know he wants a ring but he wants a pay day just like Springs & T.J.

SmootSmack 03-24-2008 10:16 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434336]Wasn't that a contractual issue. I don't fully recall.

I have always hated when players whine to get thier way, doesn't matter who it is. You signed a contract, and a lucrative one at that...be a man and honor it.[/QUOTE]

It's the cold world of the NFL. Owners?Front office executives cut players at a moment's notice all the time. And it's not like the NBA or MLB where Allan Houston and Mo Vaughn are probably still getting paid by the Knicks and Mets.

Longtimefan 03-24-2008 10:31 PM

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Everything CJ does from now on is going to be highly scrutinized. Everything that is worth a line will be printed.

jsarno 03-25-2008 12:18 AM

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;434348]Everything CJ does from now on is going to be highly scrutinized. Everything that is worth a line will be printed.[/QUOTE]

You make it sound like we should pity him. It's not like he didn't put himself square in this situation with his overgrown mouth.

Daseal 03-25-2008 12:35 AM

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I don't understand the hate from CJ. He has fun, he works hard, and he wants out of cincy. Players want out all the time. We'll see how serious he is, if he really want out he'll LaVar Arrington the Bengals and give them money back.

Bottom line, it's a voluntary workout and it's just the little bit of leverage players have. Wherever Chad Johnson goes he will light it up and be nothing but great for the team that signs him.

GMScud 03-25-2008 12:38 AM

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[quote=jsarno;434336]Wasn't that a contractual issue. I don't fully recall.

I have always hated when players whine to get thier way, doesn't matter who it is. You signed a contract, and a lucrative one at that...be a man and honor it.[/quote]

Yeah, he has a big mouth, but not showing up for VOLUNTARY workouts isn't a violation of his contract. I don't doubt he's sending a message (yet ANOTHER one) to the Bengals, but he's not dishonoring his contract by not being there.

Bengals players have come out and said they're not worried about Chad because they know his work ethic. Dude hasn't missed a start in 4 years and has 5 straight seasons of 87+ catches, 1200+ yards and at least 7TDs. Unreal. He's durable and explosive, and wants to win. He just has diarrhea of the mouth.

jsarno 03-25-2008 12:51 AM

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[QUOTE=GMScud;434367]Yeah, he has a big mouth, but not showing up for VOLUNTARY workouts isn't a violation of his contract. I don't doubt he's sending a message (yet ANOTHER one) to the Bengals, but he's not dishonoring his contract by not being there.[/quote]

I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't honoring the contract by missing the workout. I meant to say, just shut up and play for the bengals. They already know he wants to be traded, and they came out and said no. Now he should shut up.

[quote]Bengals players have come out and said they're not worried about Chad because they know his work ethic. Dude hasn't missed a start in 4 years and has 5 straight seasons of 87+ catches, 1200+ yards and at least 7TDs. Unreal. He's durable and explosive, and wants to win. He just has diarrhea of the mouth.[/QUOTE]

No one will doubt his productivity. He's a great talent. He's not worth his antics though. But that's my opinion.

Paintrain 03-25-2008 03:15 AM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434372]I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't honoring the contract by missing the workout. I meant to say, just shut up and play for the bengals. They already know he wants to be traded, and they came out and said no. Now he should shut up.[/QUOTE]

Why should he 'just shut up and play'? Doesn't he have the right, regardless of his contract numbers, to state that he's unhappy with his employer? Unlike 'normal' people he doesn't have the ability to simply seek a job with one of his competitors by quitting and walking down the street to work for one of them.

I am not a blanket defender of using the media to push your agenda, for example I ripped Laverneus Coles for his constant griping about his contracts but this is a different scenario. Johnson simply wants to play for another team. He didn't ask for more money or a longer deal, he wants out.

Sorry but the whole 'just shut up and play' mentality bothers me.

dmek25 03-25-2008 06:19 AM

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[quote=Paintrain;434374]Why should he 'just shut up and play'?[B] Doesn't he have the right, regardless of his contract numbers, to state that he's unhappy with his employer? Unlike 'normal' people he doesn't have the ability to simply seek a job with one of his competitors by quitting and walking down the street to work for one of them.[/B]

I am not a blanket defender of using the media to push your agenda, for example I ripped Laverneus Coles for his constant griping about his contracts but this is a different scenario. Johnson simply wants to play for another team. He didn't ask for more money or a longer deal, he wants out.

Sorry but the whole 'just shut up and play' mentality bothers me.[/quote]
i had to respond. first, he has every "right" to voice his displeasure. but as long as he is under contract, show up. they are called voluntary, be we all know the reality. secondly, no he cant just pick up, walk down the street and work for a competitor. but i also cant make the millions that he makes. he has FAR from a normal job. i guarantee everyone on his board would love to have the chance at that kind of money. not trying to argue, just disagreeing

hagams 03-25-2008 06:38 AM

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I agree with the masses. This guy can make plays, and wants to get traded to a team that will provide him with a means to get a ring. It's looking like the snowball effect. It started as he just wanted out, then he demanded a trade, now he skips a work-out. This is going to get big if something doesn't happen, and I think it would benifit both parties to let Chad go.
And, what's wrong with him chasing some money? Everyone's getting paid, why not him? I think I saw a water boy clear 1.2 mil. With the way teams are throwing money away, I might try to get a spot on the team. Hell, I'll clean jock straps, and towel's everyday for 60K.

Paintrain 03-25-2008 08:46 AM

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[QUOTE=dmek25;434375]i had to respond. first, he has every "right" to voice his displeasure. [b]but as long as he is under contract, show up. they are called voluntary, be we all know the reality.[/b] secondly, no he cant just pick up, walk down the street and work for a competitor. but i also cant make the millions that he makes. he has FAR from a normal job. i guarantee everyone on his board would love to have the chance at that kind of money. not trying to argue, just disagreeing[/QUOTE]
Voluntary means voluntary, regardless of contract status.

The argument of 'they make millions and I don't' doesn't hold water, it's hypocritical at best. It's a double standard and an easy cop out of a logical stance.

freddyg12 03-25-2008 08:50 AM

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[quote=hagams;434378]I agree with the masses. This guy can make plays, and wants to get traded to a team that will provide him with a means to get a ring. It's looking like the snowball effect. It started as he just wanted out, then he demanded a trade, now he skips a work-out. This is going to get big if something doesn't happen, and I think it would benifit both parties to let Chad go.
And, what's wrong with him chasing some money? [B]Everyone's getting paid, why not him?[/B] I think I saw a water boy clear 1.2 mil. With the way teams are throwing money away, I might try to get a spot on the team. Hell, I'll clean jock straps, and towel's everyday for 60K.[/quote]

He is getting paid, he signed a deal in 06. Sometimes we forget that when a player signs a deal the commitment is both ways. The team has significant cap space invested in him & can't just cut or trade him w/out someone helping pick up the tab. I know teams cut players once they're not useful, but players do have the power to affect teams. Just look at what TO & Keyshawn did.

Who knows how this got so ugly, why does he feel "unappreciated?" There's always at least 2 sides to the story. Regardless, his talking to the press & trying to force the bengals hand makes me look at him like the girl who will cheat & leave her boyfriend to be w/you cause she's unhappy. So do you think that girl is going to be loyal to you?

CJ is that girl.

MTK 03-25-2008 08:52 AM

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[quote=Paintrain;434394]Voluntary means voluntary, regardless of contract status.

The argument of 'they make millions and I don't' doesn't hold water, it's hypocritical at best. It's a double standard and an easy cop out of a logical stance.[/quote]

I agree. Until the workouts are mandatory I don't see this as significant news.

theJBexperience 03-25-2008 08:56 AM

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I don't like the 'they make millions' argument either. These guys make the bulk of their lifetime income in a short time span. After the NFL, aside from the few who can transition into something like broadcasting, film, coaching, or business, how many of them will be able to find a steady income. Are they really going to be able to get normal desk jobs? Playing football is the only thing a lot of these guys know, and they leave the game with their bodies ravaged. It's not easy to transition into a normal work environment. That's why so many of them do appearances and signings.

Posse 03-25-2008 09:00 AM

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CJ I believe he is bad news we should stay away from him, yeah he's a good tall clutch receiver which we need but could unsettle the locker room more trouble than he's worth

Redskin 03-25-2008 09:04 AM

Re: Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 
[quote=freddyg12;434396]He is getting paid, he signed a deal in 06. Sometimes we forget that when a player signs a deal the commitment is both ways. The team has significant cap space invested in him & can't just cut or trade him w/out someone helping pick up the tab. I know teams cut players once they're not useful, but players do have the power to affect teams. Just look at what TO & Keyshawn did.

Who knows how this got so ugly, why does he feel "unappreciated?" There's always at least 2 sides to the story. Regardless, his talking to the press & trying to force the bengals hand makes me look at him like the girl who will cheat & leave her boyfriend to be w/you cause she's unhappy. So do you think that girl is going to be loyal to you?

CJ is that girl.[/quote]

If the girl is unhappy then she should not be forced to stay with you.

Posse 03-25-2008 09:07 AM

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I agree but why should the skins bother with him?

Paintrain 03-25-2008 09:23 AM

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[QUOTE=Posse;434406]I agree but why should the skins bother with him?[/QUOTE] Maybe because he's one of the top 8 WR in the game and that's a huge area of need?

Regardless, Marvin Lewis was on NFL Net last night and once again reiterated that if Johnson plans on playing in the NFL this season it will be in Cincinnati and if he doesn't want to, then he can sit it out but there will be no trade.

Posse 03-25-2008 09:27 AM

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But is marv only doing this because its the skins, if a player doesn't want to play for you is there any point keeping him around could unsettle the rest of the team.

PSUSkinsFan21 03-25-2008 09:29 AM

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Honestly, I just don't understand where the support for the comments come from that this is at all "typical" of Chad Johnson, or that he's up to the same "old antics"? When has anything like this ever happened before with CJ? His work ethic is unquestionable and I don't recall him ever holding out before (and this isn't even holding out.....it's not showing up for voluntary workouts). I'm the first guy to jump all over loudmouth crybabies in the NFL, but I don't see anything in CJ's history to indicate that this is typical behavior for him. He obviously has a beef with the team and his contract, but I don't recall that ever happening before. Just my opinion.

Posse 03-25-2008 09:33 AM

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valid opinion, no you can't question his work ethic, maybe we all have a bad opinion on CJ maybe it's not him but the coaching staff Like Marv.

sandtrapjack 03-25-2008 09:48 AM

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Johnson does not lose anything by not attending voluntary workouts. Just what until the OTA's start up where money is concerned. If he has a workout bonus in his contract for mandatory OTA's, then he stands to lose coinage when he does not show up.

I'll bet you that when it starts costing him money, he will be there.
Do you think he will be a camp holdout? Nope, he won't want to pay those fines. Mark my words, when money starts coming out of his pocket, he will show up.

I am reminded of Lance Briggs last year at this time. He said "I'll never play another down as a Bear". Then when the OTA's were going to cost him money, he was the first one in the locker room to suit up for workouts.

Was just talking to a friend about this last night. Johnson is screaming trade all day and every day. But we do not hear him scream about paying back his signing bonus or buying out his contract for the trade. If he really wants out of Cincy so badly, why does he not offer to pay back that money? He won't. By demanding a trade, he is essentially demanding the Bengals to absorb an 8 million dollar cap hit in dead money. If he wants out that much, why does he not offer to pay that back to Cincy? He needs to pony up and put up or shut up.

Johnson likes to talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, he is not prepared to make the sacrifice to see it through.

Until Johnson offers to pay back that money and/or buy out his contract, his trade demands have ZERO credibility. Why should the Bengals make all of the financial sacrifices when it is Johnson who wants out?

freddyg12 03-25-2008 10:15 AM

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[quote=Redskin;434405]If the girl is unhappy then she should not be forced to stay with you.[/quote]

no argument there. if it's a situation where she can just walk away, then why not do so? Problem is, he entered into a contract w/this team & they face serious cap loss by trading him.

SBXVII 03-25-2008 10:39 AM

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[quote=Paintrain;434394]Voluntary means voluntary, regardless of contract status.

The argument of 'they make millions and I don't' doesn't hold water, it's hypocritical at best. It's a double standard and an easy cop out of a logical stance.[/quote]

Oh my god. If I recall correctly a couple of yrs ago Portis and Taylor did not show up for voluntary work outs. Springs did not show. I can see if they were starting a whole new offense or had a whole new coach but he knows the offense and knows the coach. As long as he is working out somewhere and keeping in shape I'm sure the team will not throw a tempertantrum.

I am the first person to say they are professionals and that they should honor the contracts they sign and get a lot of money for. BUT, and there is always a but...if the team can't honor their contracts ie: cutting players before the contract is up and trading players on a whim then why can't players do the same thing? If you are in a marriage and its getting ugly then maybe its time to seperate. I'm sure we don't know all the facts as to how ugly its getting. I am in no way saying he is an angle but when people are under stress or are angry they do strange things. You know its a lot easier for us no bodies. All you have to do is quit right. Lets pretend your someone like a doctor or lawyer....if you want out of your contract they make you sign a paper agreeing to not work for the compitition or not work with in a certain miles of the business. NFL players do not have it that easy. He's in a situation where he is mad at the team and coaches and can't just walk away. So a chess game begins. He's playing games and so is the team. He wants out and I'm sure the team is saying screw you we are not letting you get your way no matter how unhappy you are. Sound familiar....Lavar.
CJ is a good player...no one will argue that. CJ will help what ever team he plays for..no one is argueing that. IF...he is aloud to leave or be trades I can't see any reason the Skins should not try to get him. If his character is an issue then put clauses in the contract (and I usually prefer monitary punishments because it hits the player in the pocket) to release him or cut him or fine him. Sometimes all people need is a new environment. We are under a new coaching staff and the high standard of character that Gibbs demanded may not be the same.
Having said all that I don't think CJ's problems are as bad as everyone thinks. The team still wants him (so they say) and maybe I missed something but his diatribe he has been spewing was a lot calmer the other day on the NFL network. Also the team said he is not on the market. case closed. nothing more here. Unless our beloved owner comes up with an agreement the Bengals can't refuse and CJ is willing to maybe give some of the money back I can't see a trade happening. The Bengals stand to lose 8 mill if they trade CJ. I can't see any team willing to lose 8 mill. Thats why I said if CJ gives some money back cutting helping to pay off that 8 mill he will cost the Bengals. Maybe something will happen by draft day maybe not.
All in all we will have to wait and see what CJ does with the manditory work outs to see what if any games he is playing. If he is planning to pressure the Bengals or not. Voluntary work outs mean nothing to a lot of players.

SBXVII 03-25-2008 10:42 AM

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I also want to add that I hope all you people who are screaming about character issues are also agrueing against having Pacman here. I was looking at another site and saw the inconsistancies......but we need a CB and we can put the clauses in place...we don't need CJ. Please.

jsarno 03-25-2008 01:49 PM

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;434374]Why should he 'just shut up and play'? Doesn't he have the right, regardless of his contract numbers, to state that he's unhappy with his employer? Unlike 'normal' people he doesn't have the ability to simply seek a job with one of his competitors by quitting and walking down the street to work for one of them.

I am not a blanket defender of using the media to push your agenda, for example I ripped Laverneus Coles for his constant griping about his contracts but this is a different scenario. Johnson simply wants to play for another team. He didn't ask for more money or a longer deal, he wants out.

Sorry but the whole 'just shut up and play' mentality bothers me.[/QUOTE]

So in your mind, it's OK to ask for a trade on SEVERAL occasions, and on SEVERAL occasions be told "NO", and then still go around and act like a baby?
I am OK with him wanting out, what I am not OK with is that his team said no way, you have a contract, on several occasions, and he is still acting like a baby.
What he is doing is childish. He is in effect saying "I'm not getting my way, so I will continue to bitch and moan until I get my way." You are endorsing that behavior?

That Guy 03-25-2008 01:51 PM

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he skipped them last year and put up 1300. who cares?

jsarno 03-25-2008 01:57 PM

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;434394]Voluntary means voluntary, regardless of contract status.

The argument of 'they make millions and I don't' doesn't hold water, it's hypocritical at best. It's a double standard and an easy cop out of a logical stance.[/QUOTE]

It has nothing to do with that fact that dmek doesn't make millions. It does have to do with the fact that like it or not, this guy is a role model, and due to his millions of dollars he is getting paid, he has a strong responsibility to the fans, the team, the owner, and to society.
If you went to your boss and wanted to be tranferred to a different section of the company, and he said no...then you did it again, and he said no...then again, and again, and again, and be a baby about it...what do you think would happen to you?
Those contracts they sign protect him and the team. Look at it from the team prespective...why would they want to lose someone of his caliber? They developed him, and they paid him big bucks, and he still wants to go???
CJ needs to be thankful that we as a society accept this behavior from our athletes, cause in the real world, that doesn't work at all.

jsarno 03-25-2008 02:00 PM

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[QUOTE=That Guy;434536]he skipped them last year and put up 1300. who cares?[/QUOTE]

It's not really about him missing workouts...it's that he is missing workouts BECAUSE he is crying like a little baby that he wants out.
He needs to accept the fact that he is not going to be traded, and be a good "employee" for a change.

SBXVII 03-25-2008 02:32 PM

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[quote=jsarno;434541]It has nothing to do with that fact that dmek doesn't make millions. It does have to do with the fact that like it or not, this guy is a role model, and due to his millions of dollars he is getting paid, he has a strong responsibility to the fans, the team, the owner, and to society.
If you went to your boss and wanted to be tranferred to a different section of the company, and he said no...then you did it again, and he said no...then again, and again, and again, and be a baby about it...what do you think would happen to you?
Those contracts they sign protect him and the team. Look at it from the team prespective...why would they want to lose someone of his caliber? They developed him, and they paid him big bucks, and he still wants to go???
CJ needs to be thankful that we as a society accept this behavior from our athletes, cause in the real world, that doesn't work at all.[/quote]

The big difference that you are not seeing is that after asking for a transfer because you are not confortable or not happy working with the people you are working for and your boss says no....you have a choice. You can quit and go elswhere. Perhaps even to another state and find a similar job. Ther players can't. What's he gunna do go to semi-pro, or Canada? His only possible reactions to no you can not seek a trade is
1. play quietly and leave when you get a chance.
2. throw a tempertantrum and hope the team trades you.

Paintrain 03-25-2008 04:18 PM

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434535]So in your mind, it's OK to ask for a trade on SEVERAL occasions, and on SEVERAL occasions be told "NO", and then still go around and act like a baby?
I am OK with him wanting out, what I am not OK with is that his team said no way, you have a contract, on several occasions, and he is still acting like a baby.
What he is doing is childish. He is in effect saying "I'm not getting my way, so I will continue to bitch and moan until I get my way." You are endorsing that behavior?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm endorsing that behavior, but I'm not strongly condemning it either. During Super Bowl week he was very vocal about not wanting to be a Bengal next year. At the Pro Bowl, he said 'I'm not talking about it anymore, I said my piece.' When he's been on his promo tour for Degree he keeps getting asked about it and repeating, 'I've already said what I wanted to say, so let's move on.'

If you saw the NFL Network interview, he said that no less than 7-8 times and Eisen, Woodson and Dukes kept pressing him for him to say something. Same thing on NFL Live, he gets asked the same questions repeatedly, and he gives the same answer or finally says, yes I want out.

It's not a TO situation where he and Rosenhaus are calling press conferences in his driveway. He's not continuing to just randomly make noise about it, but if asked he answers honestly. What's the issue with that?

Paintrain 03-25-2008 04:36 PM

Re: Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 
[QUOTE=jsarno;434541]It has nothing to do with that fact that dmek doesn't make millions. It does have to do with the fact that like it or not, this guy is a role model, and due to his millions of dollars he is getting paid, he has a strong responsibility to the fans, the team, the owner, and to society.
If you went to your boss and wanted to be tranferred to a different section of the company, and he said no...then you did it again, and he said no...then again, and again, and again, and be a baby about it...what do you think would happen to you?
Those contracts they sign protect him and the team. Look at it from the team prespective...why would they want to lose someone of his caliber? They developed him, and they paid him big bucks, and he still wants to go???
CJ needs to be thankful that we as a society accept this behavior from our athletes, cause in the real world, that doesn't work at all.[/QUOTE]
His responsibility to the team, his coaches and owner is to show up when the team is gathered for practices and games, give full effort during such and try to help his team win. He (nor any other athlete, celebrity or non elected official) has NO responsibility to the fans or society. For some reason we as a society continue to place this on people in the spotlight despite it having no place there. They are a role model to your children only if you allow them to be. Telling your kids that CJ, PacMan, Jordan, OJ, Britney, whoever is blessed with an incredible gift but is also human and is fallable to their decisions and will face consequences based on their actions is the responsible thing to do rather than to hope that athletes act in a way that is congruent with your morals and ethics so you don't have to have that tough conversation.

If I went to my boss and repeatedly asked for a transfer and didn't get it as long as I showed up when scheduled and did my job then nothing would happen to me. Now if I stopped performing my tasks then I would be dealt with, but to use your correlation if in my job there were voluntary (but strongly encouraged) supplemental education courses each Saturday that I chose not to participate in, there's not a damn thing my boss could do about it. Here's the big difference, if I don't like my company or boss, there are no less than 15 other places I could quit my job and get hired at. In the NFL, that's not an option so the correlation is moot. Can't compare grapes to grapefruits.

CJ doesn't have to be thankful to society for a damn thing! That's the mentality that irks me beyond words that they should be thankful that they are 'allowed' to act a certain way or if they don't they should 'shut up and play.' These people are grown ass adults just like most of us. They are blessed with a God given talent most of us would love to have just a smidgen of and are fortunate to have an arena to display said talents.

As long as they are breaking no laws or harming no-one in our family, who are we to tell them how to manage their business or say and not say? To the inevitible answer of 'I help pay their salary' no you don't. The NFL generates much more revenue from TV/media contracts and advertisers than it does from ticket sales. Concession sales outweigh game day ticket sales revenues. We're a drop in the bucket. We pay a higher percentage of postal workers, teachers and other public employees salaries than we ever would of any athlete.

jsarno 03-25-2008 11:17 PM

Re: Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 
[QUOTE=SBXVII;434562]The big difference that you are not seeing is that after asking for a transfer because you are not confortable or not happy working with the people you are working for and your boss says no....you have a choice. You can quit and go elswhere. Perhaps even to another state and find a similar job. Ther players can't. What's he gunna do go to semi-pro, or Canada? His only possible reactions to no you can not seek a trade is
1. play quietly and leave when you get a chance.
2. throw a tempertantrum and hope the team trades you.[/QUOTE]

Actually, that's not true. He has the same choices we have. He could not play and sit out and If he continues to sit out forever, he will lose his job and could very easily become an announcer, a burger flipper, a high school coach, a college wr coach...who knows. But he has multiple choices. Just cause it's not making what he is accustomed means nothing. He has a special, and privilaged job that millions upon millions dream about having. If he doesn't want it, there will be a slew of people lined up to have that job, and he can join the regular work force like the rest of us. Why does everyone assume that the ONLY thing football players can do is play football? There are hundreds of football players that play 1-2 years then join the real world work force...happens all the time. CJ is no different if he doesn't want to play by the rules.


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