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Ok I know it another Ocho Cinco thread, but this involves a different scenario that has some evidence behind it.

So Mods please don’t lock it down.

With the draft only a couple of weeks away, there is movement in the Bengals war room that gives indication that a trade of Chad Johnson could be possible, if the scenario is right of course.

First, look at Marion Manningham, WR from Michigan. Manninghams combine performance was average to say the least, clocking a 40 time in the 4.6 range.

Then on his pro-day workout he got better on that 40 time and was running it in the 4.4 range.

In attendance at the pro-day was Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, Offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski and Mike Sheppard, Wide Receivers coach. You expect to see head coaches and coordinators at the combine with the high-profile presence in Indy. But normally pro-days are attended by scouts and maybe a position coach. The presence of Lewis and Bratkowski are indicative of “high-interest”.

Immediately after his pro-day workout, Coach Lewis invited Manningham to accompany the coaches back to Cinicinnati on the owners private jet.

Back in Cincy, Manningham has done a series of interviews, a tour of the Bengals facilities and HAS ALREADY TAKEN A PHYSICAL for the team.

With all of that evidence, speculation is now that Chad Johnson may get his wish for a trade. Whichever team in the draft selects Manningham, it is now believed that the Bengals may contact that team and OFFER Chad Johnson in a draft day trade that would send Manningham to the Bengals, and give Chad Johnson his trade wish.

All of this was reported on NFL Radio.

I was thinking that if this is accurate, then the Redskins are in a PERFECT position to acquire Chad Johnson in a draft day trade.

Cincy has the #9 pick in the first round. That is too high for Manningham and most mocks I have seen have the Bengals taking a RB like Mendenhall with that pick. Cincys second round pick is not until 15 (46 overall) and chances are Manningham will not be available at that point.

Scenario: Washington selects Manningham with their first pick (#21) then Cincinnati could trade Johnson to Washington for Mannigham and additionally they could ask for Washingtons third round pick. Since compensatory picks cannot be traded, the Redskins send Manningham and the 21st pick in the third (#84 overall) to Cincy for Chad Johnson. And the Redskins will still have a third round pick (compensatory) to use themselves.

So crazy of a scenario, it might just work.

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Based on everything I've heard right now I'm putting a trade for CJ on draft day at about 20%, but the possibility could significantly go up maybe 10% after June 1. The Bengals have been rumored to want help at RB (Betts?) with them not sure about Irons' health and reportedly likely cutting Rudi Johnson after June 1 (not really sure why) and LB. With Henry gone as well now, WR may become an additional need. But they're not just going to give CJ away.

My guess is the Bengals are going to be more likely to ask for a 1st rounder next year with the thinking that the Redskins will struggle a bit under new coach Jim Zorn and will pick much higher in the first round in 2009.

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If the Bengals are looking at WRs, I don't think it's in anticipation of replacing Chand Johnson. I think it's more likely in anticipation of replacing the already released Chris Henry.

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[quote=Schneed10;437997]If the Bengals are looking at WRs, I don't think it's in anticipation of replacing Chand Johnson. I think it's more likely in anticipation of replacing the already released Chris Henry.[/quote]
I thought the same thing about Henry and I agree with you, but if they like Manningham as much as speculated he won't be available in the later rounds. Not to mention that Michigans pro-day was on March 21st, which was well before Henry got the axe. Since that pro-day was on the 21st of March it appears they have been interested in Manningham for a while.

Henry was a #3 WR and it is highly unlikely that they look at the first round to replace that slot WR.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;437998]I thought the same thing about Henry and I agree with you, but if they like Manningham as much as speculated he won't be available in the later rounds. Not to mention that Michigans pro-day was on March 21st, which was well before Henry got the axe. Since that pro-day was on the 21st of March it appears they have been interested in Manningham for a while.

[B]Henry was a #3 WR and it is highly unlikely that they look at the first round to replace that slot WR[/B].[/quote]

Disagreed. See Gonzalez, Anthony. Indianapolis Colts.

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I am sorry but I will be pissed if we give up a first rounder for CJ. The market was set low last year by the Moss trade but I still think he is not worth more than a 2nd.

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but is CJ worth 2 first rounders? I'm on the CJ bandwagon. I could see us picking in the first round under the assumption that the person we pick is going to the Bengals along with maybe Betts or someone else, I could see us giving up the first pick and maybe a
2nd or 3rd (not both) next yr. I would like to see CJ in a Redskin uni at (almost) all cost.

I'm betting the Bengals make the move. Maybe not with the Skins but I bet they make the move. They get rid of a disgruntalled employee and get top picks in return plus an extra next yr. Now that they let Henry go though they will need maybe two WR's. One to fill Henry's spot (possibly picked in later rounds) and one to fill CJ if he is traded not to mention RB cause their RB pick last yr ended up injured and not sure if he will be ready.
I could see us giving up the first and Betts( a proven RB) then we could pick a RB/FB in the draft to replace/groom for the future. We have Rock as a RB although I'm not enamored with him, he is ok. We have Mason who I think will fill Portis's roll perfectly. Smaller speedier,shifty RB. The latest pick up we got in free agency if nothing else can do the returning as far as I'm concerned let Rock be the #2 back.

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The way CJ is acting, I'd give up one pick, PERIOD. And NOT next years, because it will almost certainly be at least the same or lower than this year's.

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If we give up any more than a 2nd for him, I'm going to be very upset. I'm a firm believer in character and CJ doesn't do it for me. I remember when this whole thing started back last year, Chad said that he was looking forward to signing a big money deal with the Skins; not that he was looking forward to playing for a HOF coach (when Gibbs was still here), not playing for one of the league's most storied franchises, not playing for an up and coming team, but rather, he was looking forward to a big money deal. Maybe it was a Freudian slip, but I think it speaks volumes for him.

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[quote=Schneed10;438003]Disagreed. See Gonzalez, Anthony. Indianapolis Colts.[/quote]
Did not say it was a certainty, just a possibility. Plus the Colts are a team with very few holes, so they have the luxury of taking a slot guy with a high pick. So we are talking about 2 different situations entirely.

My point is which ever team takes Manningham may in all likelihood, get a call from the Bengals to do business and CJ may be involved in that conversation.

I was just pointing out that the Redskins are in just the right draft position in the first round to get Manningham. If say Tampa takes him at #20, the Bengals may call Grudens camp instead.

Bengals like Manningham, and he is a late first round/early second round projection. And the Redskins are picking in a spot in the first that is right in line with where Manningham should get picked.

And if the speculation is true about the Bengals coveting Manningham, well that could align the stars in the 'Skins favor.

Again with 2 third round picks, the Skins could "sweeten" the deal by tossing in their original third rounder. I am thinking about Campbell here. To take care of a young QB you need to provide him with weapons. With Portis in the backfield, Cooley and Moss. Toss in a WR like Johnson and you can program Campbell for success. It that in itself may be worth the price of two draft picks.

Essentially it would be a first and a third. And that is pretty good.

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The deal I'd do is the 21 for CJ and their 2nd. And I am not even totally convinced on that.

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[quote=FRPLG;438015]The deal I'd do is the 21 for CJ and their 2nd. And I am not even totally convinced on that.[/quote]

That's conceivable, if they're demanding a first rounder for him. The Skins definitely shouldn't have to throw in more to sweeten the pot. They should.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;437992]Ok I know it another Ocho Cinco thread, but this involves a different scenario that has some evidence behind it.

So Mods please don’t lock it down.

With the draft only a couple of weeks away, there is movement in the Bengals war room that gives indication that a trade of Chad Johnson could be possible, if the scenario is right of course.

First, look at Marion Manningham, WR from Michigan. Manninghams combine performance was average to say the least, clocking a 40 time in the 4.6 range.

Then on his pro-day workout he got better on that 40 time and was running it in the 4.4 range.

In attendance at the pro-day was Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, Offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski and Mike Sheppard, Wide Receivers coach. You expect to see head coaches and coordinators at the combine with the high-profile presence in Indy. But normally pro-days are attended by scouts and maybe a position coach. The presence of Lewis and Bratkowski are indicative of “high-interest”.

Immediately after his pro-day workout, Coach Lewis invited Manningham to accompany the coaches back to Cinicinnati on the owners private jet.

Back in Cincy, Manningham has done a series of interviews, a tour of the Bengals facilities and HAS ALREADY TAKEN A PHYSICAL for the team.

With all of that evidence, speculation is now that Chad Johnson may get his wish for a trade. Whichever team in the draft selects Manningham, it is now believed that the Bengals may contact that team and OFFER Chad Johnson in a draft day trade that would send Manningham to the Bengals, and give Chad Johnson his trade wish.

All of this was reported on NFL Radio.

I was thinking that if this is accurate, then the Redskins are in a PERFECT position to acquire Chad Johnson in a draft day trade.

Cincy has the #9 pick in the first round. That is too high for Manningham and most mocks I have seen have the Bengals taking a RB like Mendenhall with that pick. Cincys second round pick is not until 15 (46 overall) and chances are Manningham will not be available at that point.

Scenario: Washington selects Manningham with their first pick (#21) then Cincinnati could trade Johnson to Washington for Mannigham and additionally they could ask for Washingtons third round pick. Since compensatory picks cannot be traded, the Redskins send Manningham and the 21st pick in the third (#84 overall) to Cincy for Chad Johnson. And the Redskins will still have a third round pick (compensatory) to use themselves.

So crazy of a scenario, it might just work.[/QUOTE]


If we do this foolishness, I will be on strike officially!

If we doo this foolishness, we will have the dumbest front office in the league, officially!

Finally, if we do this, there will never be a point in trying to justify the Redskins as a legitimate franchise while Dan Snyder is the owner.

Where is Joe Gibbs?

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I agree with you Sandtrap but why does it seem like you are lobbying to make the Skins better instead of sitting back and watching us self destruct due to new coaching? Is it possibly "I'd rather be right and say I told you so," over "The Skins suck" approach? LOL.

Essentially giving up a 1st and a 3rd is what NE gave for Moss right? So the deal would not be bad for CJ. I just can't see us trading the 1st round this yr and giving them a 1st next yr. I might even go as high as a 2nd rounder only cause CJ is a proven WR and can put up the numbers. If the vetrans can keep him in check then I can see us looking 100% better next yr and hopefully Mix can be groomed into a leading WR in the league.

I'm all about character also but sometimes you have to go simply with playmaking ability so long as the character issues are not that bad. T.O. was a problem for the Eagles. Punches were flying in their locker room also. He left and there has been no major incidents(as of yet). I think CJ has a whole lot more character then T.O. hell I thought T.O. was mental during his problem cycle. If I recall Moss was no angle in Minni either.

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[quote=SBXVII;438034]I agree with you Sandtrap but why does it seem like you are lobbying to make the Skins better instead of sitting back and watching us self destruct due to new coaching? Is it possibly "I'd rather be right and say I told you so," over "The Skins suck" approach? LOL.

Essentially giving up a 1st and a 3rd is what NE gave for Moss right? So the deal would not be bad for CJ. I just can't see us trading the 1st round this yr and giving them a 1st next yr. I might even go as high as a 2nd rounder only cause CJ is a proven WR and can put up the numbers. If the vetrans can keep him in check then I can see us looking 100% better next yr and hopefully Mix can be groomed into a leading WR in the league.

I'm all about character also but sometimes you have to go simply with playmaking ability so long as the character issues are not that bad. T.O. was a problem for the Eagles. Punches were flying in their locker room also. He left and there has been no major incidents(as of yet). I think CJ has a whole lot more character then T.O. hell I thought T.O. was mental during his problem cycle. If I recall Moss was no angle in Minni either.[/quote]

1 + 3 = 4 correct, but giving up a 1st and a 3rd rounder is not the same thing. NE gave up a 4th round pick for Randy Moss.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2853116]ESPN - Raiders trade Moss to Patriots for 4th-round pick - NFL[/url]

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I'll give sandtrap credit for reporting the details & posing the scenario, as it's entirely realisitic. I just hope we don't make a play for CJ. The team has really come together for the first time this century & devloped some character thanks to Joe Gibbs. This would rock the boat & revert to the old ways of DS making the big move that in the end signifies nothing.

This is a decent draft for wr's in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, let's take our chances there.

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I have to admit though, if we got a steal like CJ for our 3rd that would be hard to argue with. I wouldn't like him anymore than I do now, but at least that would make good biz sense.

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NO, NO, NO. Not a first rounder and Betts, and NO F-ing way for two first rounders. Isn't, shouldn't and won't be an option for us. Keep our picks, and for damn sure keep our #2 running back.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;438061]I have to admit though, if we got a steal like CJ for our 3rd that would be hard to argue with. I wouldn't like him anymore than I do now, but at least that would make good biz sense.[/QUOTE]

Now, I would trade for CJ if it were JUST for ONE of our 3rd round picks.

That seems fair for an aging trouble making WR, who will want a big contract later on.

If we get him for a 3rd round draft pick, then that frees us up for some other moves in the draft.

We wouldn't need a WR as early(although, I would still want to pick up Jordy Nelson int he 2nd or 3rd), and we could make O-line and D-line priorites inthe early round of the draft.

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It's not going to happen. Why would Cincy do this? They'll take a huge cap hit. They just released Henry. Manningham could be another Desmond Howard. What message does it send to their players, whine and you'll get released, no matter how bad it hurts the franchise?

Cincy is a small market team, they don't have the $$$ the Skins, Cowboys and Pats have to absorb on problems or mistakes. This is the same talk Briggs had last off-season and he went nowhere. CJ is not going anywhere unless a foolish team gives up way too much to get him, and I sure don't want that to be us.

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some people around here make me laugh. countless posts on how the skins need a receiver. now, MAYBE a chance to pick up a proven, pro bowl type player, and people want to go cheap. remember, you pay cheap, you get cheap. anyone know how old Johnson is? if the trade is our first rounder, and a back up running back( Betts) i do it in a New York second

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I'd do the deal for the 21st for Johnson and we switch 2nd rounders. We get the 40th they get the 52nd. No more than that.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan242;438071]I'd do the deal for the 21st for Johnson and we switch 2nd rounders. We get the 40th they get the 52nd. No more than that.[/QUOTE]

NO FIRST ROUND SWAP!

PERIOD!

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[quote=dmek25;438070]some people around here make me laugh. countless posts on how the skins need a receiver. now, MAYBE a chance to pick up a proven, pro bowl type player, and people want to go cheap. remember, you pay cheap, you get cheap. anyone know how old Johnson is? if the trade is our first rounder, and a back up running back( Betts) i do it in a New York second[/quote]

Chad is 30. [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/chadjohnson/profile?id=JOH104425]Chad Johnson[/url]

I wouldn't mind attaining him for a 1st round pick because we all know what he can do, and he is not showing signs of age or regression. I do not think that there is anonther player, much less a WR that we can pick up in the first round (at 21) that can impact the game the way that Chad possibly could over the next 5 years.

With that said. Chad comes to us for our 1st and 3rd. We give them Betts and swap 2nd round picks.

Or we can just trade our 1st and Betts for Chad like dmek25 said.

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Part of me would love to see CJ traded to the Raiders. For me that would be the ultimate irony.

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Yea Chad is 30 so what i hear everyone speaking about he is aging, he is old but I think he is in his prime. Marvin Harrison play great pro bowl caliber the last 5 years he is about to be 36. We could get the same from CJ 5 to 6 years

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[quote=SBXVII;438034]I agree with you Sandtrap but why does it seem like you are lobbying to make the Skins better instead of sitting back and watching us self destruct due to new coaching? Is it possibly "I'd rather be right and say I told you so," over "The Skins suck" approach? LOL.

Essentially giving up a 1st and a 3rd is what NE gave for Moss right? So the deal would not be bad for CJ. I just can't see us trading the 1st round this yr and giving them a 1st next yr. I might even go as high as a 2nd rounder only cause CJ is a proven WR and can put up the numbers. If the vetrans can keep him in check then I can see us looking 100% better next yr and hopefully Mix can be groomed into a leading WR in the league.

I'm all about character also but sometimes you have to go simply with playmaking ability so long as the character issues are not that bad. T.O. was a problem for the Eagles. Punches were flying in their locker room also. He left and there has been no major incidents(as of yet). I think CJ has a whole lot more character then T.O. hell I thought T.O. was mental during his problem cycle. If I recall Moss was no angle in Minni either.[/quote]
I have been a member of this forum for a couple of years and I come here to talk football...period.

Unlike other "rival" forums I have visited who, once they learn my fan affiliation, just break everything into a "smack and bash" thread, on WARPATH I can engage in some serious discussions with some seriously knowledgeable FOOTBALL fans, and 9 times out of 10 it does not turn into a bash thread.

And for that I enjoy the forum.

And yes this is a very workable scenario in this draft day trade. Just depends on how high the Bengals value Manningham. And how badly the Redskins would want to add a proven vet WR.

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I am not advocating trading more then we have to...I simply said I would not trade more then a 1st this yr and something lower next. Some one made it sound like it was going to be a 1st this yr and a 1st next yr. I would say no go.

Some people on here seem to think CJ is the anti christ. He is evil or something. I think he is far better then T.O. was when he had his problems and look how he turned out. He has towed the line while at Dallas. Look at Moss who had his problems at Minni. and Oakland. Since being with NE he has towed the line. I think CJ likes to have fun and enjoy the game. No different then Portis was coming out of Denver with his WWF belt and all his antics with the media(dressing up).

Some one mentioned the CAP hit Cincy would take. Yea your right. but if I'm not mistaken he could seriously help Cincy out if he truely wants out by paying some of the money back. I do believe one of our very own (Arrington) did this very same thing in order to get out of his contract. So....it can be done and don't think Snyder would not front the money for CJ to pay back to Cincy in order to leave.

I like Betts alot also. but...I'm simply saying this is a trade that could (not will) occurr. It would not hurt us either. We have other just as talented RB's that could fill Bett's roll. Run, Run, fumble. You can also suppliment fumble with dropped pass. The only thing I have ever liked about Betts is that fact he is not afraid to run up the middle and take a hit. Other then that I'll say what I have always said. Bett's is not the leading RB because he has a tendency to leave the ball on the grass. Occassionally. Now the question is can Rocky fill in Bett's roll or would we have to draft someone? Rumor has it the Skins have looked at a FB/RB.

Trust me I think we have other needs as well I'm interested in a DE/DT but I'm betting if they don't pick that it will be a Safety (just a feeling). but I'm also not going to say CJ would not help us out. I believe he would help us more then hurt us. He's tall so jump balls in the end zone might be taken care of with him. He's fast creates another problem for defenses. He can seperate from DB's on his routes. and last but not least no one can argue his numbers. I don't know if he would put up those numbers with us but clearly if we had to throw we would not have a problem doing so. Especially with speedy Moss, shifty El, Cooley, and Portis all to throw to. Someone has to be able to get open. They certainly could not double Moss anymore and would more then likely double CJ. Leaving Moss to tear up the second or third string DB. Teams would be forced to play more nickle probubly and Portis or perhaps Sellers would have a ball.

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Just say no to headcases. What makes anyone think that this guy can put the team before himself? build through the draft! I could see trading for a wideout for "instant impact" vs the learning curve that rookies face but we're not going to be a super bowl team this year anyway. Draft a wr and let 'em learn. They're going to have time to develop.

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Lets keep in mind that it's Chad Johnson who wants to leave his team and it's the Bengals who have to move him if they want to oblige him.

That means compensation should be based on those factors. Anyone who is talking of two first round picks, or a first and third is extremely overestimating CJ's trade value.

Remember, if we wanted to acquire Chad for high draft picks we would have done it already. It's the Bengals problem, and Chad's wish to leave that gives us leverage if they decide to move him.

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i think it all boils down to the bengals willingness to take the monsterous cap hit

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;438095]

Unlike other "rival" forums I have visited who, once they learn my fan affiliation, just break everything into a "smack and bash" thread, on WARPATH I can engage in some serious discussions with some seriously knowledgeable FOOTBALL fans, and 9 times out of 10 it does not turn into a bash thread.

And for that I enjoy the forum.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for being a respectable Cowboys fan. The ones I come in contact with in real life are few and far between.

hmmmmm.... you some very compelling arguments. You make sense but I have a hard time beliveing it based on the talent available in the draft, and other teams who have "better" running backs to offer (and by better, I mean more recognizable and with better numbers because they havnt been behind a Clinton Portis), and are at a higher need for a top WR. I can only see us going after a WR in the draft, or a possible trade for a #2 guy, get for a good price, and put a little effort into and develop. Or both now that I think about it.

As far as a fan's prospective goes, the general consensus down here in yeehawville seems to be a want to trade away a first rounder for CJ and then a second for Roy Williams. I have not visited a Cowboy's forum so I do not know what ALL Cowboys fans are thinking but I figured talking to people here would be getting strait from the horses ass... I mean mouth.

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I'm for rebuilding but I don't get the feeling this is a rebuilding as much as everyone thinks. I think it was a higher a new coach who will not change to much of what we have and what we are doing which is why Zorn is talking to Gibbs alot. We have heard the defense will essentially remain the same and now they are talking about the run game remaining the same. The only thing to change is the passing, which I take it they are going to put more WR in the line up and change up the routes a little. It doesn't sound like whole hearted rebuilding to me. Which hopefully enables us to get back to the play offs. Slip in there a proven vet WR and one missing piece to the puzzle is filled. Listening to Snyders right hand man it sounds like they like what they have in pass rush. Scary because everyone believes they are maybe one pass rusher away from being dominant.

Then we fill all the other positions. DE/DT, Safety, CB, OL.

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I would also have to immagine that if CJ became available Cincy would try to get the most for him. I could see a bidding war against the Eagles. Especially since they need a tall WR also and McNabb has thrown a tempertantrum about needing a big WR. Hell the Eagles kept sweetening the pot for one WR. LOL.

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-Duplicate-

Lets keep in mind that it's Chad Johnson who wants to leave his team and it's the Bengals who have to move him if they want to oblige him.

That means compensation should be based on those factors. Anyone who is talking of two first round picks, or a first and third is extremely overestimating CJ's trade value.

Remember, if we wanted to acquire Chad for high draft picks we would have done it already. It's the Bengals problem, and Chad's wish to leave that gives us leverage if they decide to move him.

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I think one way or another we make a trade on draft day, whether it be CJ, Boldin or Williams we get a Vet WR on draft day for our 1st and prob. Betts (or our 3rd). Now its all a matter of are the Cards/Lions going to try to get something for their guys b4 thier contracts are up next year (thinking they have enough $ tied up in their receivers already and franchising them prob. wont be an option) or if the Bengals are willing to take the cap hit for Johnson (bc. i dont think he will offer to pay any back). Personally i dont believe Williams will be avl. and we would prob. get the best out of our $ with Boldin, either one would help this team immensely, and i would be happy with either, as i think we all should/would.

And dont hate on Sandtrap has always been a solid contributor to this site.

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[quote=SmootSmack;437995]Based on everything I've heard right now I'm putting a trade for CJ on draft day at about 20%, but the possibility could significantly go up maybe 10% after June 1. The Bengals have been rumored to want help at RB (Betts?) with them not sure about Irons' health and reportedly likely cutting Rudi Johnson after June 1 (not really sure why) and LB. With Henry gone as well now, WR may become an additional need. But they're not just going to give CJ away.

My guess is the Bengals are going to be more likely to ask for a 1st rounder next year with the thinking that the Redskins will struggle a bit under new coach Jim Zorn and will pick much higher in the first round in 2009.[/quote]

I think this is right on. Some people around the league see the Redskins as a mess with the coaching search and Snyder let loose the run the team as he pleases, so the Bengals could be thinking that by trading for the Redskins 1st rounder next year they will be getting a potential top-10 pick.

Also we keep on hearing whispers of Betts being traded and if there was a trade the Skins would be willing to pull the trigger on involving Betts this would probably be the one.

With that said there are a few things I want to know:

1. What is Chad Johnsons current cap-hit should he be released post June 1st?
2. What is Chad Johnsons current cap-hit should he be released after June 1st?
3. How much are the Bengals under the cap?

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[quote=dmek25;438106]i think it all boils down to the bengals willingness to take the monsterous cap hit[/quote]


As John Clayton pointed out on ESPN a few days ago, the cap hit is not the reason that Chad Johnson won't be traded. They are far enough under the cap that they won't force themselves into a situation in which they have to cut veterans. The bottom line is that the Bungles as a franchise have not been willing to give in to players' requests to be traded b/c of being disgruntled or wanting a payday. Corey Dillon tried to pursue a trade much in the same way Chad Johnson has (i.e. being vocal in the media, throwing a tantrum, threatening to sit out, etc), and it took them almost 5 years to let him go. I think they also are a franchise which likes to cover its bases before letting franchise players go. Rudi was ready to come out off the bench and start before Dillon left the bengals. I would expect them to draft a receiver and then only think about letting CJ walk. But we will see... only time will really tell.

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[quote=skinsWill;438119]whether it be CJ, Boldin or Williams we get a Vet WR on draft day for our 1st and prob. Betts (or our 3rd).[/quote]


no way is cj worth our 1 & betts, nor is he worth our 1 & 3. i'd offer betts and our 5, maybe betts and our 3......maybe.

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[quote=wolfeskins;438134]no way is cj worth our 1 & betts, nor is he worth our 1 & 3. i'd offer betts and our 5, maybe betts and our 3......maybe.[/quote]

hey i NEVER said he was worth it... just guessing what we will give up to land one of them. When was the last time the redskins came out on the better side of a deal with Snyder in charge?