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Lest we think Chad Johnson holds a monopoly on complaining...why aren't we all up in arms over this? Because he's not as "loud" as Chad Johnson?

"Urlacher feels he has outplayed his contract and is demanding more money. He's boycotting the team's voluntary offseason workout program and threatening to hold out of minicamp, organized team activities and even training camp if he doesn't get a new deal."

[url=http://www.suntimes.com/sports/901866,CST-SPT-bear18.article]Brian Urlacher situation is tricky business for Bears :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Sports[/url]

The Bears have so many players who want new deals (Harris, Hester, Gould, even Briggs is allegedly complaining). They're a mess

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I think that's exactly it. I mean, voluntary workouts are voluntary. The difference is that Chad is trying to get his ass out of town ASAP, and Urlacher just wants more money.

If the Bears don't pay Urlacher, he will still show up and play. I also believe Chad will play if he doesn't get traded, because we've seen Rosenhaus clients threaten this before, but people are more worried about Chad forcing the Bengals hand than Urlacher doing anything to the Bears.

Knowing Rosenhaus, I believe both situations are much ado about nothing, but Chad is grabbing the headlines, thus he's drawing the hate.

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I always thought he was a punk since he horse-collared Portis in '04. He's overrated too! I'll take London Fletcher over Urlacher any day.

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It's the gold teeth......if Urlacher had gold teeth, I'd be really pissed at him right now for doing this.

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[quote=SmootSmack;440540]Lest we think Chad Johnson holds a monopoly on complaining...[B]why aren't we all up in arms over this?[/B] Because he's not as "loud" as Chad Johnson?

"Urlacher feels he has outplayed his contract and is demanding more money. He's boycotting the team's voluntary offseason workout program and threatening to hold out of minicamp, organized team activities and even training camp if he doesn't get a new deal."

[URL="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/901866,CST-SPT-bear18.article"]Brian Urlacher situation is tricky business for Bears :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Sports[/URL]

The Bears have so many players who want new deals (Harris, Hester, Gould, even Briggs is allegedly complaining). They're a mess[/quote]

Because no reports have come out stating that Danny wants him. Honestly we do not have a need for a MLB. Even when Fletcher is done we have Blades waiting in the wings.

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Smoot, you Hit the nail on the head, he's not as loud as CJ. Give it some time & there will be plenty of fans unhappy w/him. But the big difference is, it sounds like he's doing things behind the scenes, whereas ocho is running his mouth at will on espn.

The article even cites 2 sources who have different takes on it. Like I said, give it some time & if it gets more publicity there will be some outrage. I think it's a bit inaccurate to compare him to CJ at this point though, it appears he's conducting business privately as much as possible even if it's "machiavellian" as the article states. Also, he doesn't have accusations of punching his coach hanging over him like ocho.

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[quote=GTripp0012;440542]I think that's exactly it. I mean, voluntary workouts are voluntary. The difference is that Chad is trying to get his ass out of town ASAP, and Urlacher just wants more money.

If the Bears don't pay Urlacher, he will still show up and play. I also believe Chad will play if he doesn't get traded, because we've seen Rosenhaus clients threaten this before, but people are more worried about Chad forcing the Bengals hand than Urlacher doing anything to the Bears.

Knowing Rosenhaus, I believe both situations are much ado about nothing, [B]but Chad is grabbing the headlines[/B], thus he's drawing the hate.[/quote]

he's in the headlines because he talks to espn. If and when Urlacher tells John Clayton he wants to be traded or wants more $, I guarantee espn will play that on sportscenter.

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Brian Urlacher needs to feed his family, hope he gets his.

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Both situations are different, and the big difference is we don't hear Urlacher on every TV and radio show whining about wanting out.

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Who cares he plays for the Bears and not the skins last time I checked.

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[QUOTE=Warren85Ellard;440543]I always thought [B]he was a punk [/B]since he horse-collared Portis in '04. He's [B]overrated[/B] too! I'll [B]take London Fletcher over Urlacher [/B]any day.[/QUOTE]


Yes (Punk)
Yes (Overrated)
No (Fletcher)

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This is the first time I think I have ever heard Urlacher say [U]anything[/U]. That's the difference, IMO.

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They are both wrong, ok (see, no caps)? If someone had brought it up here, I’m sure opinion would have been addressed. The only difference I see is that Urlacher is a least being completely up front on his motive.

This crap about CJ wanting out to get a ring is an “I want a new deal” smokescreen. There is no way he goes to a new club without a new contract. When he says “I’ll take less to go to Pittsburgh (or some similar contender)” then I’ll believe it. Otherwise, it’s just a new way to pull an old trick.

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[QUOTE=saden1;440553]Brian Urlacher needs to feed his family, hope he gets his.[/QUOTE]

Who let Latrell Spreewell in here?

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[quote=lwiedy;440578]Who let Latrell Spreewell in here?[/quote]

Nobody let me in, I chocked my way in.

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Honestly, I just read about this and for me Urlacher is worse than CJ. CJ wants to go to a winner, Urlacher is just greedy.

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This reminds me of.... oh wait there is no one on the Skins complaining about their salaries. In fact, if I am not mistaken, we just restructured several contracts. This is for all you Gibbs II sceptics: He didnt have free agency when he was coaching but he learned quickly how to take his player's minds off of free agency and put them in the mindset to play for each other and the franchise. While the Bears and Bengals are distracted the Skins are thinking football. This is what the new Gibbs brought to us!!!

And a little more on topic, I agree with Matty, the situations are different and I believe that when its all said and done, Urlacher will play regaurdless and CJ will either be sitting out or on the trading block all season (or at least till week 6).

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[quote=saden1;440553]Brian Urlacher needs to feed his family, hope he gets his.[/quote]

Saden Sprewell?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;440593]Honestly, I just read about this and for me Urlacher is worse than CJ. CJ wants to go to a winner, Urlacher is just greedy.[/quote]

I don't buy that for a second. CJ wants to get paid - this is just the excuse of the moment.

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[QUOTE=lwiedy;440578]Who let Latrell Spreewell in here?[/QUOTE]

Ladell, Lavar, and Laveranues...that's who! I also saw Lamont Sanford getting called a "Big Dummy" on another thread for making posts that "lack substance".

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[quote=onlydarksets;440599]I don't buy that for a second. CJ wants to get paid - this is just the excuse of the moment.[/quote]

Then it becomes obvious that you have not been paying attention. The only people that have said anything about money is the media and us spectators. Yes NFLTA is the media. They asked him the question about money.

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[quote=Warren85Ellard;440543]I always thought he was a punk since he horse-collared Portis in '04. He's overrated too! I'll take London Fletcher over Urlacher any day.[/quote]


uh.....thats crazy talk. Lets keep the coolaid drinking to a minimum, its starting to cloud your judgement

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;440599]I don't buy that for a second. CJ wants to get paid - this is just the excuse of the moment.[/QUOTE]

When was the last time a “big time” player got traded and there wasn’t a new deal involved? Every year the ceiling on salaries escalates and some guys insist that they are in the new tier all the time. The notion that he would be necessarily be happy with received a deal signed in ’06 is laughable. How long did it take TO to want a new deal from Philly?

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[quote=angryssg;440613]Then it becomes obvious that you have not been paying attention. The only people that have said anything about money is the media and us spectators. Yes NFLTA is the media. They asked him the question about money.[/quote]

You don't make sense - are you saying I can't have an opinion on this?

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[quote=lwiedy;440576]They are both wrong, ok (see, no caps)? If someone had brought it up here, I’m sure opinion would have been addressed. The only difference I see is that Urlacher is a least being completely up front on his motive.

This crap about CJ wanting out to get a ring is an “I want a new deal” smokescreen. There is no way he goes to a new club without a new contract. When he says “I’ll take less to go to Pittsburgh (or some similar contender)” then I’ll believe it. Otherwise, it’s just a new way to pull an old trick.[/quote]

[quote=lwiedy;440618]When was the last time a “big time” player got traded and there wasn’t a new deal involved? Every year the ceiling on salaries escalates and some guys insist that they are in the new tier all the time. The notion that he would be necessarily be happy with received a deal signed in ’06 is laughable. How long did it take TO to want a new deal from Philly?[/quote]

I'm not following where you stand on this?

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[quote=Buster;440598]Saden Sprewell?[/quote]

That's right, why just yesterday I found out that our parking fee at work was going to go from $100 to $200 a month. Naturally I was upset so I told my boss "I need a raise, I need to feed my family."

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honestly, the Bears should have known this and reworked his deal after giving Briggs the big extension. If you looked to your right or left and saw a guy making more money than you, and you are the best LB on the team (top 5 in the NFL at your position) wouldn't you be a little pissed. I dont blame him for wanting more money. I blame the Bears for not addressing this when it should have been addressed.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;440621]I'm not following where you stand on this?[/QUOTE]

With you. This is just a new method of contract holdout. Just because he didn’t mention money doesn’t mean that’s not the motivation. Is anyone going to dispute that any trade would be contingent on a new contract? Does anyone think he is going to take less in a new deal that takes him 3-5 years in the future?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;440560]Both situations are different, and the big difference is we don't hear Urlacher on every TV and radio show whining about wanting out.[/QUOTE]

Ok, but did we hear Lav Coles on every tv and radio show? Yet, wasn't there a whole thread here about what a jerk he is?

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[quote=onlydarksets;440619]You don't make sense - are you saying I can't have an opinion on this?[/quote]

I am not saying that you cannot have an opinion. I am saying that it has been noted that he is not doing this for money, and despite those reports you still affirm that he is in fact doing this for money.

Edit* This whole dialog is based on what you said about CJ. How does it not make sense?

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[quote=SmootSmack;440628]Ok, but did we hear Lav Coles on every tv and radio show? Yet, wasn't there a whole thread here about what a jerk he is?[/quote]

Yeah but we really didn't know much about that situation until the end when everything came out. And even then it's a select amount of Redskins fans that seem to hold a grudge. If you asked fans of other teams they probably wouldn't even know the extent of the Coles/Snyder debacle.

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[quote=#56fanatic;440624]honestly, the Bears should have known this and reworked his deal after giving Briggs the big extension. If you looked to your right or left and saw a guy making more money than you, and you are the best LB on the team (top 5 in the NFL at your position) wouldn't you be a little pissed. I dont blame him for wanting more money. I blame the Bears for not addressing this when it should have been addressed.[/quote]


I'm really suprised nobody brought that up about the Briggs deal. That's the first thing that popped in my head. If the lesser of the two can complain and get more money, why not BU? Are the a little on the gready side, Yes. Do we need either of them, NO. Would we be happy to have BU if we didn't have London, Yes.

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[quote=Mattyk72;440631]Yeah but we really didn't know much about that situation until the end when everything came out. And even then it's a select amount of Redskins fans that seem to hold a grudge. [B]If you asked fans of other teams they probably wouldn't even know the extent of the Coles/Snyder debacle.[/B][/quote]

Most fans knows Snyder told Coles he was going to send him a flat screen TV to watch the games from home and that he would bench him for two years then cut him.

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[quote=hagams;440632]I'm really suprised nobody brought that up about the Briggs deal. That's the first thing that popped in my head. If the lesser of the two can complain and get more money, why not BU? Are the a little on the gready side, Yes. Do we need either of them, NO. Would we be happy to have BU if we didn't have London, Yes.[/quote]

Briggs was a free agent to be when he was complaining, whereas Urlacher is under contract, is coming off a bad year, battling injuries & about to turn 30. Yet, for some reason, he thinks the team should re-up w/more $ to pay him on par to the player he was 2 years ago.

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I don't have much of a problem with players who hold out, particularly when they don't play for us. I do, however, have a problem with Chad Johnson because he seems to be your stereotypical "me...me...me" wideout. It's not as though this is an isolated incident.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;440650]Briggs was a free agent to be when he was complaining, whereas Urlacher is under contract, is coming off a bad year, battling injuries & about to turn 30. Yet, for some reason, he thinks the team should re-up w/more $ to pay him on par to the player he was 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I’m wrong but Briggs first started griping when they put the franchise tag on him. So, technically he was not a “free agent” in the truest sense. Perhaps he felt he was worth more but he was still bound by the agreement, no different than a contract.

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[quote=saden1;440637]Most fans knows Snyder told Coles he was going to send him a flat screen TV to watch the games from home and that he would bench him for two years then cut him.[/quote]

Personally I doubt most fans of other teams really know or care much about what went on.

The football world doesn't revolve around the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=lwiedy;440653]Correct me if I’m wrong but Briggs first started griping when they put the franchise tag on him. So, technically he was not a “free agent” in the truest sense. Perhaps he felt he was worth more but he was still bound by the agreement, no different than a contract.[/QUOTE]

I believe the difference is that the two sides (player/management) don't generally agree to the "franchise tag." It's simply a right the team has to exercise, it's different from two sides agreeing on a contract

Now though, Briggs shouldn't complain. He was a free agent and on the market and, for whatever reason, he agreed to a pretty crappy deal (in relative terms).

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Here's an update:

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-brian-urlacher-chicago-bears-080418,0,7903559.story]Bears' Urlacher: 'I never said that I was going to quit' -- chicagotribune.com[/url]

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Not surprising there are two conflicting reports from the two major Chicago papers