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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3364727]ESPN - Reports: Dolphins seeking draft choices for Taylor - NFL[/url]

If the Dolphins are willing to swap 2nd round picks would you give up #21 for Jason Taylor? I doubt they would be willing to give any additional concessions, but for the Redskins I wouldn't be all that opposed to this. I wouldn't just give up #21 for him though.

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Acquiring Jason Taylor, as his contract is currently structured, is nearly impossible for us from a salary cap perspective. Taylor has two years and $17 million remaining on his deal, which means a cap hit of about $8-9 million per season.

We currently have $7.0 million in cap space. That will climb to $9.5 million in June, but still, we wouldn't have the space to sign our rookies if we brought him in under his current contract.

The only way a Taylor acquisition works from a cap perspective is if the guy signs a new deal. Which of course makes me nervous because he's 33 and a last-capped-year is bearing down on the league in a few years due to labor negotiations.

I don't think it'd be a wise move for us, all things considered. Very good player, but the situation is tough.

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Obviously JT is an amazing player. I'm just not too comfortable w/ his age at a demanding position. He's most likely got a couple good years left. But do we want to rent a player for 2 seasons. We need to get younger in ALOT of areas. Pass rushers included.

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[quote=Paintrain;442334][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3364727"]ESPN - Reports: Dolphins seeking draft choices for Taylor - NFL[/URL]

If the Dolphins are willing to swap 2nd round picks would you give up #21 for Jason Taylor? I doubt they would be willing to give any additional concessions, but for the Redskins I wouldn't be all that opposed to this. I wouldn't just give up #21 for him though.[/quote]

In two words ... hell no. If people have problems with Johnson's age then they probably wouldn't want an actual 30-something (as in 34 ... Johnson isn't 30-something he is 30-period).

Plus, if I am doing my math right (big if) then even the trade you suggest would be like giving up a 1st round pick for Taylor. By the chart it would cost the Dolphins 210 points to move from 32 to 21 (the equivalent of a mid-3rd) then they would also get our 2nd (worth 390) netting them 600 points (or the equivalent of the 31st pick) and all we get is Jason Taylor. I'd say he is worth more like a 3rd-4th rather than 1st ... and not from the Redskins.

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What Schneed said.

Right now Dallas, Cleveland, and Jacksonville are the leading suitors. I don't know what Dallas is offering. I don't know what Cleveland can offer (Brady Quinn?). Jacksonville is reportedly offering their 1st and 3rd for JT and the Dolphins' 2nd. Miami is countering with JT and a 4th for the Jags' 1st and 4th.

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Taylor is a good player, but for what the 'phins will want for him at 34 is too much.

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Even if we could work it financially I wouldn't want him and I don't see much of a chance of it happening.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;442342]Obviously JT is an amazing player. I'm just not too comfortable w/ his age at a demanding position. He's most likely got a couple good years left. But do we want to rent a player for 2 seasons. We need to get younger in ALOT of areas. Pass rushers included.[/QUOTE]


my feelings exactly.

Didn't we learn from our mistakes. Why would you want to trade for a player on the downward side of his career. We are not going to realistically contend for a SB in the next 1 or 2 years. Its time to get younger at key positions.

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If you read that thread with the press release in it, there's a specific quote from Snyder where he says something to the effect of, "You can't sign 33 yr old players to 5 yr deals." i would think this has little to no chance of happening for the Skins. Thank God.

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[quote=SmootSmack;442349]What Schneed said.

Right now Dallas, Cleveland, and Jacksonville are the leading suitors. I don't know what Dallas is offering. I don't know what Cleveland can offer (Brady Quinn?). Jacksonville is reportedly offering their 1st and 3rd for JT and the Dolphins' 2nd. Miami is countering with JT and a 4th for the Jags' 1st and 4th.[/quote]

The offer you have there from JAX is worth (by my count) 295 points (i.e. a low 2nd, basically the same thing as the last pick in the 2nd - fair for Taylor in my estimation). Miami's counter is a low 1st. If Cleveland offers Brady Quinn the Dolphins should jump all over that one and the Browns would be foolish to do that IMO.

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[quote=baxter81;442362]"Maybe poker's just not your game. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!"

Tombstone is a classic[/quote]

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If the player in question is a couple years over thirty I suggest all NFL teams look into the studies performed by the research team over at Redskins Park. The available data suggests that GM's around the league should be fired on the spot anytime they aquire aging players with massive contracts period and if they give up high picks in the process they should be hit repeatedly over the head with a five pound bag of nacho cheese.

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Any GM giving a 1st round pick for that 34 year old dancer should be fired on the spot! That pretty boy will be retired within 2 years…he thinks he is going to be an actor…he is not one of these guys playing until he’s 40 years old because he loves the game. I don't want him under any circumstances.

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wow, giving up a first for an expensive 34 year old is never a good idea...

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ESPN just reported that the Dolphins are shopping Taylor for a 1st round pick. I doubt they would accept much less...and we'd be moronic to trade the 21st pick for him considering he's old.

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I wonder if the team drafts Jordy Nelson with their first pick? Call me crazy but Vinny and Dan always manage to find a way to surprise us.

Also I think another situation to watch very closely is the Jason Taylor saga. If you remember Parcells said that the only way Taylor doesn't play for the Dolpins is if he retires. In turn if they trade him then I would expect to see the Bengals observe the possible move from a PR standpoint, since this would give them a chance to see how going back on their word will affect their reputation as sturn negotiators.

Also, apparently the Dolphins are interested in Joe Flacco which could make the Redskins an ideal spot for teams to trade up since the Dolphins are trying to move right into our neighborhood. Then again I don't really remember ever hearing about Parcells trading picks to move up but in that case I would expect to see the trade look like so.

[I]"There are four players of particular interest to the Dolphins, according to the Sun-Sentinel: Florida defensive end Derrick Harvey; Auburn defensive end Quentin Groves; Michigan quarterback Chad Henne; and Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco."[/I]

Dolphins get:
Redskins 1-21
Redskins 3-21

Redskins get:
Dolphins 2-1
Dolphins 3-1

Redskins would be able to bring in a draft class with Jordy Nelson, Duane Brown, and Charles Godfrey. Of course they would have to find a productive D-Lineman with their comp pick, but I think we'll be fine as long as the LB's come to play.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;442448]

Dolphins get:
Redskins 1-21
Redskins 3-21

Redskins get:
Dolphins 2-1
Dolphins 3-1

Redskins would be able to bring in a draft class with Jordy Nelson, Duane Brown, and Charles Godfrey. Of course they would have to find a productive D-Lineman with their comp pick, but I think we'll be fine as long as the LB's come to play.[/QUOTE]

If we could pull off that trade and get Jason Taylor, I'd pull the trigger...but the Dolphins would be dumb to do that trade. They would only be a temporary plus with that first pick...they would be dropping down in the 3rd. It's a great deal for us, and a steal if we could afford his 8 mil salary.

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We don't need another Bruce Smith. No sir, no deal.

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Thanks but no thanks, dude's 33 and he may be a DPOY but a first round pick is too much for a guy that old.

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[quote=jsarno;442492]If we could pull off that trade and get Jason Taylor, I'd pull the trigger...but the Dolphins would be dumb to do that trade. They would only be a temporary plus with that first pick...they would be dropping down in the 3rd. It's a great deal for us, and a steal if we could afford his 8 mil salary.[/quote]

Well the trade I projected wouldn't involve Jason Taylor. Right now the Dolphins are using Taylor as a means to get back into the 1st round to take a player that they feel might not fall to the second. And as Schneed said, Jason Taylor is a cap nightmare.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;442448]

Dolphins get:
Redskins 1-21
Redskins 3-21

Redskins get:
Dolphins 2-1
Dolphins 3-1

Redskins would be able to bring in a draft class with Jordy Nelson, Duane Brown, and Charles Godfrey. Of course they would have to find a productive D-Lineman with their comp pick, but I think we'll be fine as long as the LB's come to play.[/quote]

By the chart that trade would favor the Dolphins by 105 points. They would have to add their 4th to make it work by the chart, and to make it makes sense for the Skins IMO.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;442547]By the chart that trade would favor the Dolphins by 105 points. They would have to add their 4th to make it work by the chart, and to make it makes sense for the Skins IMO.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you're talking straight draft numbers, you're not taking into account a possible hall of famer DE.

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I think Defensive End is an area where we should bring a talented young player to groom, since we already have a very good player at that position in Andre Carter. Last year the pundits stated that we needed to get a top defensive lineman in the draft, we didn't, and our d-line did a good job this past season. Unlike the WR position, for us it is worth drafting a good DE or DT with our first round pick, instead of trading it for a proven veteran.

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Is he the Dancing With the Stars guy? I'm not sure I could handle that. Maybe Dallas is interested?

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Jason Taylor is an impact player. He would make a difference for a season or two, but I don't see him being here long enough to trade a 1st rounder for. I get the old Bruce Smith feeling with him. I know he's not old-old, but he is getting old.

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[QUOTE=hagams;442701]Jason Taylor is an impact player. He would make a difference for a season or two, but I don't see him being here long enough to trade a 1st rounder for. I get the old Bruce Smith feeling with him. I know he's not old-old, but he is getting old.[/QUOTE]

It just depends on what we give up. If we are getting Taylor but only moving down 12 spots, that's a deal. If we lose the first round pick, then our next pick is OUR 2nd round pick, then I would agree. He doesn't have much left in the tank.
In case you haven't noticed, this guy has 36.5 sacks in his last 3 seasons and 77 sacks in his last 6 seasons...also, he has 139 tackles, 3 int's and 3 tds the past 3 seasons. He's more than just a DE, he's a run stuffer and an all around great player.
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylJa03.htm]Jason Taylor Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

FYI, there has been some comments about the similarity to Bruce Smith, well when we got Smith, he was 37. Taylor will be 34 this year. When Smith was 34 and 35, he had 14 and 10 sacks respectively. So there is no reason we couldn't be pleased with Taylor's performance over the next 2 years. Taylor's got enough in the tank to get us 10+ sacks over the next two years, and we all know we haven't had good pass rushers over the years and we were thrilled by Carter's performance last year.
I do not know the specifics of Taylor's contract, but I have no doubt he would restructure with us if a deal was struck.

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[quote=jsarno;442589]Yeah, but you're talking straight draft numbers, you're not taking into account a possible hall of famer DE.[/quote]

And neither was Dirtbag. He said the trade did not involve Jason Taylor, and as others have mentioned we could not absorb Taylor's cap hit. So you are dallying in the fantastic.

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If we could make the deal to just go down a couple of picks and get Jason Taylor you do it. Unlike these other hypothetical trade options who have character issues, Taylor is a model citizen and would be good in the locker room. Not to mention that he is a couple of years removed from being an defensive MVP or in the running. This is the guy you take a chance on...As far as the age and declining numbers...anyone playing on a bad team like last years dolphins would have numbers declining. A change of scenery would do this very good player some good. I use to live in So. Florida and there is not a good atmosphere there for success. The fans stink! Nothing like the Skins! He would be energized and would not be the main focus on the line as he was in Miami!

Now don't get it twisted...!!! Don't sell the farm and give away the draft but try to fit him in...then get a DE late or next year in order for the young player to have a mentor and learn slowly...I hate to say it look at the Giants.

Under those circumstances he could be productive for longer than 3 years by rotating with Young DE.

Just my opinion!

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;442743]And neither was Dirtbag. He said the trade did not involve Jason Taylor, and as others have mentioned we could not absorb Taylor's cap hit. So you are dallying in the fantastic.[/QUOTE]

I'm not following you...this is what you wrote:
[quote]By the chart that trade would favor the Dolphins by 105 points. They would have to add their 4th to make it work by the chart, and to make it makes sense for the Skins IMO.[/quote]

So in other words you want Taylor for free for it to make sense to you?

About Taylor's "cap hit", well, the Dolphins have to absorb his actual "hit", we would absob his contract which I have no doubt will be restructured to make it worth it for us. Otherwise there is no point. 8 mil is too much for us to take, and I'm sure the Skins see this as well. People can say what they want about us getting too FA's over the years etc, but no team is better than we are at restructuring and dodging salary cap issues.

I'm not saying "go get him", I'm saying if we would trade our 21st pick, for their 1st pick in the 2nd, then that's a deal assuming we restructure him.

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Don't we still hold the rights to Bruce Smith? If so, I say we trade those rights to someone for a late 1st or early 2nd. I wouldn't give anything more than a 5th rounder for Jason and anyone who gives up more than a 4th is on some seriously good crack.

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(From Redskins Insider)

Trade for J. Taylor? Not Interested
From Jason Reid:

J La is headed to the Comcast SportsNet studio to appear as a guest on Washington Post Live, so he asked me to put the word out on the Redskins rebuffing Miami's overtures to trade defensive end Jason Taylor, according to league sources.

Miami is seeking draft picks in exchange for the NFL's 2006 defensive player of the year, but the Redskins, who are actively trying to trade out of the 21st pick in the two-day draft that starts tomorrow, are not interested in Taylor, 33. Although Taylor, an 11-year veteran, had a typically productive performance in 2007 (56 tackles, 11 sacks, four forced fumbles and one interception), the Redskins do not see him as a good long-term fit with what they are trying to accomplish, sources said, and their stance is not expected to change.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442840](From Redskins Insider)

Trade for J. Taylor? Not Interested
From Jason Reid:

J La is headed to the Comcast SportsNet studio to appear as a guest on Washington Post Live, so he asked me to put the word out on the Redskins rebuffing Miami's overtures to trade defensive end Jason Taylor, according to league sources.

Miami is seeking draft picks in exchange for the NFL's 2006 defensive player of the year, but the Redskins, who are actively trying to trade out of the 21st pick in the two-day draft that starts tomorrow, are not interested in Taylor, 33. Although Taylor, an 11-year veteran, had a typically productive performance in 2007 (56 tackles, 11 sacks, four forced fumbles and one interception), the Redskins do not see him as a good long-term fit with what they are trying to accomplish, sources said, and their stance is not expected to change.[/QUOTE]

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At this point in his career Taylor is not worth a first round draft pick. Miami is asking too much but someone might bite.

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i bet he ends up in jacksonville but not for a 1st rounder!

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If he doesn't move does Miami release him, or was it just a play to get some picks and move some salary?

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I bet both parties would like this relationship to end as soon as possible. Especially the Tuna.

[url=http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/512073.html]Parcells-Taylor impasse slows building process - 04/28/2008 - MiamiHerald.com[/url]

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I would offer a 2009 4th round pick, take it or leave it.

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Jason Taylor for a 4th i'd do it

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Jason Taylor might perform his sack dance with the Miami Dolphins this season after all.

The defensive end and star of "Dancing With the Stars" was the subject of trade speculation throughout the weekend. But when the NFL draft ended Sunday, general manager Jeff Ireland denied the Dolphins were eager to part with Taylor.

"We want the guy back," Ireland said.

Jacksonville Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio said his team pursued a deal, but the Dolphins took Taylor off the trading block.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80809924&template=with-video&confirm=true]GM Ireland denies Dolphins eager to part ways with Taylor[/url]