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B- good value, and addressed a need, but I wish we could've gotten a de

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A, at first I was a little worried about no DL, but now I'm dreaming of 5 WR sets and 40 yard TDs from the jumbo package.

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B - we've given Jason Campbell all the weapons he should need, but what about the defense?

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B based on value alone. Also, I feel like all three first day picks will actually make the team and contribute, if not start, immediatly.

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Solid B for great value, would have liked to have seen at least 1 need filled along the lines but when you look at the value we got I'm finding it hard to have anything really bad to say, especially when we still have 6 selections left.

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B for value, not necessarily need. Same as everyone else.

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I like Thomas but he is no sure thing with only a year of big time college success under his belt. Davis looks to be a good TE but with other needs is this something the Skins can afford at a #2? Kelly with bad knees is this something we can take a chance with a D line and O line in need? My great is B- because there is so much unknown here!

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C We definitely got good value with our picks. I am upset that we didn't use one of our first three picks on defense. I am also concerned about Devin Thomas being a one year wonder, Malcolm Kelly's knees, and I had TE as one one our lowest needs so the Fred Davis pick is kind of a head scratcher for me, plus you got to wonder why so many teams passed on Thomas and Kelly. I am hoping these guys work out for us.

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B- we are building for the west coast offense and both of the WR we got had 1st round grades.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;444018]Solid B for great value, would have liked to have seen at least 1 need filled along the lines but when you look at the value we got I'm finding it hard to have anything really bad to say, especially when we still have 6 selections left.[/QUOTE] yes we have six but 3 are in the 7th and one in the 6th. If we get one starter out of the 3rd[very] late and a early 4th will be a good day two of the draft!

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A-

We shall I say mixed it up today.

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D-. Excellent trade by Cerrato. Brilliant even.

There's a 50% chance that 2 out the 3 players drafted today never starts a game for the Redskins. Davis is a good selection, but he's not going to beat out Cooley. Kelly should beat Thomas out, and he should replace ARE in the starting lineup by 2009. But how certain are we that Kelly will develop as expected.

The only thing we know about Kelly is that he's probably better than Devin Thomas. I'm not even sure he will ever develop into a quality starting receiver. We are making a leap of faith there, and hopefully we don't get spurned.

Regarding Thomas...at least Taylor Jacobs was a hard worker

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C, Devin Thomas was a steal and a great pick, but we should have gotten Calais Cambell with our 2nd 2nd rounder, then get fred davis with the next one. I was hopeing Merling was gonna fall past miami, I guess the skins didn't like him enough

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I thought that they should have at least used one of those picks on an offensive lineman or definitely a defensive lineman. I thought that the redskins were going to suck it up and use the pick on merling. I don't know if he will be any good, but I do know that we need a defensive lineman and that should have been used with one of these picks. I know that Snyder was at the super bowl. He should have known seen that the defensive line is what controls the line of scrimmage. Surely, he and racquetball boy could made that observation.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;444047]D-. Excellent trade by Cerrato. Brilliant even.

There's a 50% chance that 2 out the 3 players drafted today never starts a game for the Redskins. Davis is a good selection, but he's not going to beat out Cooley. Kelly should beat Thomas out, and he should replace ARE in the starting lineup by 2009. But how certain are we that Kelly will develop as expected.

The only thing we know about Kelly is that he's probably better than Devin Thomas. I'm not even sure he will ever develop into a quality starting receiver. We are making a leap of faith there, and hopefully we don't get spurned.

Regarding Thomas...at least Taylor Jacobs was a hard worker[/QUOTE] How do you know TJ is a harder worker then Thomas? I think Thomas could be great and he could be why did we every make that pick! He has the tools that Jacobs never had! So untill any college player gets up against NFL players we will never know!

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The more I think about this draft, the more I think our team may be in good shape. Obviously to the Redskins FO the lack of offense from last season was an issue. JC now has Santana Moss, ARE, and three tall young receivers in Thomas/Kelly/Mix (lots of competition during training camp I see). At the TE position, we have a Pro Bowl TE paired along side a talented rookie TE. Lots of targets for JC.

The O-Line is a bit of a concern, however we all know Bugel can coach anybody, and I'm sure we can find O-linemen in the later rounds or even UDFAs that he can shape up to be quality back ups...(just look at Stephon Heyer)

The D-Line was a need according to the pundits last year, and well the line fared well without picking up anyone in the first round. Once again, I think depth can be addressed in the later rounds.

Finally, the DBs is the concerned that I have the most. I mean we could look once again for depth in the later rounds, however, I think the team is gambling on a healthy Carlos Rogers.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;444071]The more I think about this draft, the more I think our team may be in good shape. Obviously to the Redskins FO the lack of offense from last season was an issue. JC now has Santana Moss, ARE, and three tall young receivers in Thomas/Kelly/Mix (lots of competition during training camp I see). At the TE position, we have a Pro Bowl TE paired along side a talented rookie TE. Lots of targets for JC.

The O-Line is a bit of a concern, however we all know Bugel can coach anybody, and I'm sure we can find O-linemen in the later rounds or even UDFAs that he can shape up to be quality back ups...(just look at Stephon Heyer)

The D-Line was a need according to the pundits last year, and well the line fared well without picking up anyone in the first round. Once again, I think depth can be addressed in the later rounds.

Finally, the DBs is the concerned that I have the most. I mean we could look once again for depth in the later rounds, however, I think the team is gambling on a healthy Carlos Rogers.[/QUOTE]

You bring up a good point which has been alluded to in the past here (by myself and SBXVII among others).

Are we (possibly) taking OL and DL later because the team is more confident in Bugel and Blache's ability to teach diamonds in the rough than they are with Hixon's ability to do the same with wide receivers?

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B for value.
Casserly says stay with value before need...
Casserly is a smart man.
I'm excited about Kelly and Thomas but I'm rather confused with TE pick.
I guess everyone is...
Was hoping to get a CB or DL, OL...
We do have quite a few late rounders left.
I'm very thankful we dropped outta the first even though we lost out on S Phillips (who went to the the NYG!) and a few others...

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FIRST OF ALL .. i get frustrated reading comments about how 2 of the 3 picks wont' start .. ?? as stated by " football fans" .. Thomas had a round one grade , Davis is a great college TE who will get catches in our 2 TE set as stated by ZORN on ESPN ... Cooley is not going anywhere but hey what if we had a blocking TE and an H-Back on the field with both being able to catch ??? Maybe i'm just venting, but clearly we had a good day drafting, yes I thought we could have snagged Cambell from Miami for a DE in the second round .. but we did not, and we have plenty o picks tomorrow .. we can snag whatever we need ... RELAX .. all the negative on the WR pick ups is stupid IMO .. would you rather have CJ and all that crap that goes along with him or some WR's with a chance to get the job done ???? I love the picks so far ... HAIL ... i'm done venting ... 3 cheers to a solid DE pick and CB pick tomorrow .. and 3 cheers for winning the last skins' super bowls after the GIANTS ... 87 and 91

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A- the only question was fred davis. we should have gotten campbell, but then who knows, coach zorn may create mis match with two tough TE's. OL can be drafted in the lower rounds. now lets get D on the second day and enough of the WR/.

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[quote=SmootSmack;444073]You bring up a good point which has been alluded to in the past here (by myself and SBXVII among others).

Are we (possibly) taking OL and DL later because the team is more confident in Bugel and Blache's ability to teach diamonds in the rough than they are with Hixon's ability to do the same with wide receivers?[/quote]Positional philosophy. Still, it's hard to ignore the fact that 1-2 of these second round picks won't be able to contribute as a starter.

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I have to see the rest of the draft but I think it's going to include Josh Johnson, Marcus Dixon, and hopefully god forbid, an offensive lineman. For now I'll give them a B-. The matchups and packages are all fun to think about, but after a while you worry about the guys upfront.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;444073]You bring up a good point which has been alluded to in the past here (by myself and SBXVII among others).

Are we (possibly) taking OL and DL later because the team is more confident in Bugel and Blache's ability to teach diamonds in the rough than they are with Hixon's ability to do the same with wide receivers?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely SS, I think Buges and Blache will be able to work with the later round picks...I mean we have good examples from the past in which both the D-line (Golston, Wilson, Montgomery) and the O-line (Heyer) got good some good performances out of players pick in the late rounds.

The team can now use the rest of the picks to (hopefully) acquire some young players that can add depth to both lines. Also I'd like to see them pick up a DB if possible.

I can also see Buges picking up a kid like Andrew Crummey from UMD as an undrafted free agent and turn him into a decent back up. I also would like to see a good final year out of our current o-line, hopefully without any injuries and some young back ups we can be set.

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[QUOTE=DCtoAZ;444077]FIRST OF ALL .. i get frustrated reading comments about how 2 of the 3 picks wont' start .. ?? as stated by " football fans" .. Thomas had a round one grade , Davis is a great college TE who will get catches in our 2 TE set as stated by ZORN on ESPN ... Cooley is not going anywhere but hey what if we had a blocking TE and an H-Back on the field with both being able to catch ??? Maybe i'm just venting, but clearly we had a good day drafting, yes I thought we could have snagged Cambell from Miami for a DE in the second round .. but we did not, and we have plenty o picks tomorrow .. we can snag whatever we need ... RELAX .. all the negative on the WR pick ups is stupid IMO .. would you rather have CJ and all that crap that goes along with him or some WR's with a chance to get the job done ???? I love the picks so far ... HAIL ... i'm done venting ... 3 cheers to a solid DE pick and CB pick tomorrow .. and 3 cheers for winning the last skins' super bowls after the GIANTS ... 87 and 91[/QUOTE]

Agreed...I mean is not like we're picking them up on the 7th rounds or something like that.

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A for value picks, but I went B because I think we could have gotten a great D End instead of a TE.

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Given our many needs, we should have used at least ONE pick here on the DL or OL, or at least a DB. Failing to do that was a mistake. We have too many WRs now and not enough linemen. The FO spent so much time focused on WRs that it skewed their thinking and their rankings, IMO. I can see using a 2 TE set, so I'm ok with that, but still. We are NOT a deep team, and we needed to address a lot of areas. After the nice trade-down, this was a disappointment.

C-

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I'm right on between of B and C.

I mean, as sweet it is to have lot of offense weapons.. Thomas and Kelly - they definitely will help our offense to be lot more explosive.. But two WRs? One with one year wonder and one with knee problem? However I like the part in his profile - comparing him to Anquan Boldin.. I think Kelly will work out well for us.. I just wish that we use our first 2nd rd on Calais Campbell or any other DE like Ellis.. As for Fred Davis - it is intriguing.. Zorn must be thinking about something big..

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;444047]D-. Excellent trade by Cerrato. Brilliant even.

There's a 50% chance that 2 out the 3 players drafted today never starts a game for the Redskins. [B] Davis is a good selection, but he's not going to beat out Cooley.[/B] Kelly should beat Thomas out, and he should replace ARE in the starting lineup by 2009. But how certain are we that Kelly will develop as expected.

The only thing we know about Kelly is that he's probably better than Devin Thomas. I'm not even sure he will ever develop into a quality starting receiver. We are making a leap of faith there, and hopefully we don't get spurned.

Regarding Thomas...at least Taylor Jacobs was a hard worker[/QUOTE]

My guess is we will be running Double TE sets but I see what you are saying about it

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I'll go C....I loved our first pick, but I just dont get why we didnt take a DE with 48 or 51...I mean what can you do, but seems like were not adressing that need

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Maybe I'm the only one who was a bit critical but why did we get two WRs? Doesn't make much sense to me at all unless we trade one of them. Also why draft a TE? We have a great starter and we just need to pickup cheap veteran depth at TE.

Would've been nice to see some defensive needs addressed.

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[quote=GTripp0012;444079]Positional philosophy. Still, it's hard to ignore the fact that [B]1-2 of these second round picks won't be able to contribute as a starter.[/B][/quote]

Exactly. If we got defensive players they could have. Also seems like we drafted on skill not need. One WR is a need but two is not needed because one will never even see the field. Also there is no way to spin it but TE is NOT a need.

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I gave a D just for the first day. Im not rating low because of my opinion on our picks, im basing it off of the rest of the NFL and the picks other teams made. I think 2 WR and a TE is fine, and im ok with that. However KC gets an A, not us. I feel like our front office is very good at judging talent and we can maybe pull off a C by the end of the 7th round.

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I dont know why so many people hate these picks. We added 2 big receivers who can go out and catch the ball. We got probably the strongest receiver in the draft in Devin Thomas so I'm pretty grateful. I love Kelly's height and I was rooting for us to get him. As far as defense, I think we'll find someone at DE in the 4th round. We've had luck drafting DL on the second day of the draft.

Also, as far as addressing our OL needs, UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS!
We got a good one last year in Stephon Heyer so everyone, don't panic. We should embrace the beginning of our success on offense and the success that Jason Campbell will have. Can anyone say 30 TDs?

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[QUOTE=Daseal;444104]A for value picks, but I went B because I think we could have gotten a great D End instead of a TE.[/QUOTE]

Who specifically?

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Unquestionably an A for value, at least if you are evaluating these players based on common consensus.

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I'm going with a C for now. They could have had an A, but they passed up a good DE in Campbell. They could have easily taken him there and picked up either Davis or Kelly a couple of picks later (whichever was still there).

If you believe you pick the best player available in the second round regardless of need, then I'd grade us an A. I believe that you do it in the 1st round, but not 2nd. By the time you get to the 2nd, player talent is leveling out and I believe you have to address need.

What I'm guessing, is that they have a DT or OG targeted in the 3rd and 4th. Maybe they figured if they couldn't land Chad Johnson in a draft day trade, they would draft WR and then look to pick up a DE/DT somehow after June 1. It just seems hard for me to believe that with all the talk of Blanche identifying a big DT that can collapse the pocket as his biggest need that they have ignored d-line all together. Maybe wouldn't have happened regardless because of where we were picking.

I wonder what our picks would have looked like if we moved up 3 spots in each of our picks. Seems like we just missed a few guys.

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Grade = B. Moss played 14 games last year and got 61 receptions (and in how many of those was he gimpy?). ARE played in 15 and had 51 receptions. Thats less total receptions than many #1 receivers in the league. Caldwell/Mix are obviously not the answer. When you look at past draft classes, 30-40% of guys end up being busts. What we got were two solid WRs and even if one gets Rod Gardner disease, at least we have a shot a productive big receiver. As far as TE, after Cooley, we don't have much of anything. At least now, Campbell is assured of a safety valve on every play and when we go to a 2 TE formation for run plays, other teams will have to respect the pass.
I would like to have picked up some linemen as well but we got some great value with those picks.

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C+

Without more help on O-line, JC will be scrambling.

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C+

Individually, the players we picked not only are all valuable, but they're specifically valuable to this team. We got two big receivers who appear to have been 1 and 1A on our draft board. We got a big pass-catching TE. All those things will help this team. My concern is that we ignored needs to get them, so while they may help us as a franchise, they might not have much positive impact in 2008.

I might also add that I think Jason Taylor could be available for a Day 2 pick. There are rumors that there was an agreement in place with Tampa Bay for the 52nd pick this year. With the selection of Merling, they might be ready to move on.