Vinny Cerrato
 

I have to admit I was pretty damn impressed with the way Vinny Cerrato commanded the draft yesterday. He was comfortable with the national media and you can see what they're trying to build here.

I've never been a Cerrato basher, because I never really understood what his actual role was until recently. It seems like most of the attention has always been on who [I]didn't [/I]work out for the Redskins, instead of who [I]did[/I]. Guys like Cooley, Sean Taylor (R.I.P.) and a host of others have played admirably for this franchise. The problem was, at least in my mind, you could never pin failure or success on one person within the organization. So we as fans, rightfully or wrongfully, ran the flag up the pole to Snyder and said the buck stops here. Often times the media was the ring leader, and emotional fans would buy into that narrative hook, line, and sinker.

Perhaps now it's more clear why Cerrato and Gregg Williams couldn't co-exist together on personnel matters. Maybe Williams release wasn't personal afterall, I guess it was "personnel." I'm sure Williams would have flipped his lid when we passed over Calais Campbell from Miami, and can you blame him? The cold, hard truth is this is just one draft and there will be another Long, Campbell, or Vernon Gholston next year. And if we really mean business, then we'll be in position to pick that guy.

I'm not ready to anoint Cerrato the next Ron Wolf or Bobby Beatheard, but after looking at everything unfold yesterday I feel pretty comfortable that this guy knows what he's doing and has a sense of vision. You can't judge everything on one draft alone, but whether you agree with all the picks or not, it's hard to argue that the Redskins made bone headed decisions or screwed this one up. Maybe there were just too many Chefs in the kitchen afterall.

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Yeah, overall I liked how he handled it. Now if next year, he uses 3 of the first picks on WR's, then I'll be pissed.

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And dare I say, he was actually likeable in his interview with Trey Wingo yesterday afternoon.

Kiper has a lot of respect for Vinny's ability as a talent evaluator.

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While I admit to being an avid Cerrato-basher and I have to give him props for the way he handled the draft this weekend. I've always been a BIG fan of trading down to get more picks if the value of the player isn't worth the selection. He did that numerous times and it was quite the coup to get TWO(!) big receivers in the second round after they were thought to be gone in the first. They'll both contribute this coming season as they battle Mix and Thrash for the third and fourth receiver spots. I do question the wisdom of taking a tight end in the second round and not doing more to address the defensive line, the strategy used was solid and the patience demonstrated may be an indication that maybe Snyder is learning. Time will tell, but this draft weekend was positive to me.

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By the way 12thMan, that's a very well written opinion to open the thread, and one I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with. You could be a sportswriter.

I agree that it's tough to tell who was responsible for certain personnel moves over the last few seasons. Some love to come down on Snyder, but he limits his media exposure so much that it's hard for any writer to accurately say exactly what his level of involvement has been the last few seasons.

Now we seem to have a clear definition of the roles and responsibilities. Vinny is now clearly making the personnel decisions while listening to the input of all those minds at his disposal within the organization. And yesterday's interview with Trey Wingo on ESPN is the first sign that he's the face of the front office, and will be accountable to the fans and the media going forward.

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Amazing the number of people who trashed the redskins draft, and now jump on the bandwagon now that all the experts( Kiper, Prisco) have now said that the redskins draft was a very good one. I liked it from the beginning. The defense won't be world beaters, but at least the offense could be something that won't put the fans too sleep every weekend now.

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[quote=Schneed10;445168]And dare I say, he was actually likeable in his interview with Trey Wingo yesterday afternoon.

Kiper has a lot of respect for Vinny's ability as a talent evaluator.[/quote]

Yeah I heard Kiper remark a couple of times this weekend that he thinks Vinny's strength is evaluating talent.

I like that we finally have someone in place that we know is calling the shots and can be accountable for what we do personnel-wise.

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I'm not impressed by the haul, but I AM impressed by the job that Vinny did. Trading down three separate times, and attacking a need to make sure it wouldn't be a need anymore, all signs of a great GM in the making.

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[quote=redskinmann;445176]Amazing the number of people who trashed the redskins draft, and now jump on the bandwagon now that all the experts( Kiper, Prisco) have now said that the redskins draft was a very good one. I liked it from the beginning. The defense won't be world beaters, but at least the offense could be something that won't put the fans too sleep every weekend now.[/quote]

A good portion of the Warpath liked the draft. Including all of those who have responded in this thread up until this post.

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[quote=redskinmann;445176]Amazing the number of people who trashed the redskins draft, and now jump on the bandwagon now that all the experts( Kiper, Prisco) have now said that the redskins draft was a very good one. I liked it from the beginning. The defense won't be world beaters, but at least the offense could be something that won't put the fans too sleep every weekend now.[/quote]

What's more amazing to me is despite most draft experts saying the Redskins had a good draft, there are still people out there bashing away at everything the team does.

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[quote=Mattyk72;445180]What's more amazing to me is despite most draft experts saying the Redskins had a good draft, there are still people out there bashing away at everything the team does.[/quote]I dunno man, most of the people who bash the team on everything they do seem pretty happy with the draft.

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[quote=GTripp0012;445178]I'm not impressed by the haul, but I AM impressed by the job that Vinny did. Trading down three separate times, and attacking a need to make sure it wouldn't be a need anymore, all signs of a great GM in the making.[/quote]

Yeah but, and no offense, you tend to get so mired in the details when it comes to the draft and all these players that if the draft doesn't go according to how you'd draft it, you'll naturally be unimpressed.

If you step back and check out the forest for the trees, we acquired some weapons at key areas, which will expand the various methods we can employ to attack a defense.

If you focus on what we didn't get, I think you miss the point of the draft. Instead focus on what we did get. It was a number of very talented players who will be paid on the cheap.

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Vinny is a likeable guy. I thought he did well in the draft this year. However...I still judge the skins and the FO on wins and losses. Vinny hasn't really done a good job (we don't know exactly what his role has been in the past), b/c we haven't really been too successful. There's really no way to argue to the contrary. Hopefully we're headed in the right direction.

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[quote=GTripp0012;445182]I dunno man, most of the people who bash the team on everything they do seem pretty happy with the draft.[/quote]

A couple of people gave the Redskins an 'F' here in our draft grade poll, granted those were only a select few, but still a sign that the team can seemingly do no right for some. And what the hell is up JLC's ass?

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[quote=Mattyk72;445187]A couple of people gave the Redskins an 'F' here in our draft grade poll, granted those were only a select few, but still a sign that the team can seemingly do no right for some. And what the hell is up JLC's ass?[/quote]He seems frustrated and pessimistic, but he is right on everything he said. I didn't have a problem with the draft plan, but had we deviated from it in a few places, we could have done much better. I agree with him on that.

[QUOTE=Jason La Canfora]But if the first-day gamble does not work, then those moves in the second round could be long remember(ed) as well, for very different reasons.[/QUOTE]That is factual, is it not?

I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.

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[quote=Mattyk72;445180]What's more amazing to me is despite most draft experts saying the Redskins had a good draft, there are still people out there bashing away at everything the team does.[/quote]


Oh God the draft was horrible, we suck, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly will be the next Desmond Howard and Michael Westbrook, Fred Davis can't hold David LaFleur's jockstrap.....

:D


(Just thought I would get that out of the way... :D )

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There's always, always a pick here or there that people just won't be happy with. Just two years ago, maybe it's been three now, people jumped all over the Texans for taking Mario Williams over Bush. Now that choice 'aint looking so bad, especially since Bush isn't an every down back like most initially thought.

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Wilbon (who I respect more than most talking heads) is a big Cerrato supporter. I for one am VERY happy with the draft. I love the bolstering of offense we've put in. Our problem under Gibbs was not being able (or willing) to score enough points to win the game. We didn't lose many games 31-28, it was moreso 21-13 or 17-13. If we can score 24-28 PPG we're going to win a bunch of football games in '08. Our defense has more than enough talent to keep 21 points off the board most weeks.

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[quote=Schneed10;445184]Yeah but, and no offense, you tend to get so mired in the details when it comes to the draft and all these players that if the draft doesn't go according to how you'd draft it, you'll naturally be unimpressed.

If you step back and check out the forest for the trees, we acquired some weapons at key areas, which will expand the various methods we can employ to attack a defense.

If you focus on what we didn't get, I think you miss the point of the draft. Instead focus on what we did get. It was a number of very talented players who will be paid on the cheap.[/quote]I feel that's a fair criticism of me, but again, when I see the potential for a great draft, and all we can do is fill a mid level need for the future with it, I'm (naturally) going to be disappointed.

I mean, there's the train of thought that you filled a critical need cheaply, but you have to ask yourself if the need was actually filled, and at what cost. Yes, the "red zone weapons" need was filled, but it cost THREE second round draft picks. Was the red zone weapons need worth three second round draft picks? A rational person would say no.

I think who we didn't draft is a very critical factor in evaluating a draft. If it wasn't, no one would every have a bad draft. I'm not advocating hindsight three years from now if Calais Campbell becomes an all-pro. That's pretty pointless. I'm looking at a roster that is seven deep with competent receivers, and I'm just thinking to myself, as we all should be:

"[I]If Santana Moss gets back on track this year, where are we going to play him?[/I] [I]If Randle El continues to play well, where are we going to play him?[/I]"

Fact: Wide Receivers and Tight Ends don't have the impact on the game to make the offense score ten more points per game than it did last season. People don't have any clue what they are talking about. That's just not the way things work.

What we didn't do was add any significant help for a front seven that is starting 4 players over the age of thirty, and a 5th next year when Andre Carter hits 30. [B]That matters. [/B]It really does.

Yes, we can address those needs next year, but do you have any confidence that we will?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;445191]He seems frustrated and pessimistic, but he is right on everything he said. I didn't have a problem with the draft plan, but had we deviated from it in a few places, we could have done much better. I agree with him on that.

[In response, JLC's assertion that this draft is big gamble]

That is factual, is it not?

I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.[/QUOTE]

It may not look that good in three years. Of course that's possible. I have yet to anyone say - Wow brilliant these guys are starters from day one. Rather its: I like what they have done, I think they have created a situation where have improved teh chances of this draft being successful.

By trading down and gaining multiple picks, VC did just what Schneed said - they attacked a need with quality picks. Since the draft is a gamble in the first place, VC did what good gamblers do and create better odds in their favor.

Could it still fall flat? Yup. Is that an indictment of the team's scouting dept.? Yup. As head of scouting, ultimately, if it fails is in Vinny's court? Yup.
But strictly from the draft management aspect of it, Vinny did a good job of getting targeted guys in good spots. Gotta give him a thumbs up on that.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;445198]I feel that's a fair criticism of me, but again, when I see the potential for a great draft, and all we can do is fill a mid level need for the future with it, I'm (naturally) going to be disappointed.

I mean, there's the train of thought that you filled a critical need cheaply, but you have to ask yourself if the need was actually filled, and at what cost. Yes, the "red zone weapons" need was filled, but it cost THREE second round draft picks. Was the red zone weapons need worth three second round draft picks? A rational person would say no.

I think who we didn't draft is a very critical factor in evaluating a draft. If it wasn't, no one would every have a bad draft. I'm not advocating hindsight three years from now if Calais Campbell becomes an all-pro. That's pretty pointless. [b]I'm looking at a roster that is seven deep with competent receivers, and I'm just thinking to myself, as we all should be:

"[I]If Santana Moss gets back on track this year, where are we going to play him?[/I] [I]If Randle El continues to play well, where are we going to play him?[/I]"

Fact: Wide Receivers and Tight Ends don't have the impact on the game to make the offense score ten more points per game than it did last season. People don't have any clue what they are talking about. That's just not the way things work. [/b]

What we didn't do was add any significant help for a front seven that is starting 4 players over the age of thirty, and a 5th next year when Andre Carter hits 30. [B]That matters. [/B]It really does.

Yes, we can address those needs next year, but do you have any confidence that we will?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but I vehemently disagree with the bolded point.. When you look at the most productive offenses in the NFL, what do they have in common? At least one elite WR. NE-Randy Moss, Dallas-Owens, Cleveland-Braylon Edwards, Indy-Harrison & Wayne.. Points come from the passing game!! Of course the line (which we have a good one) and QB (which we have a good one) are important, without the players with the ability to get 40 or 50 yard chunks at a time it's tough to score a ton of points in the league..

I don't know what your Redskins 7 deep WR depth chart looked like before the draft but I saw Moss, Randle-El, Mix, Thrash and that's it. I see 2 solid WR, an unproven-undrafted prospect and an older special teams player.. If Thomas and/or Kelly develop into what we expect, we can legitimately trot out 4 solid WR on any given week and cause matchup nightmares for any DC. Can you imagine having to put a nickel or dime corner on Moss in the slot? Having a LB or safety matched one on one with Randle-El? With the attention the WR are going to require, it sets up another mismatch for Cooley with whomever has to match up with him. This was a draft to build an explosive offense to compete with the elite teams in the league.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;445208]Sorry, but I vehemently disagree with the bolded point.. When you look at the most productive offenses in the NFL, what do they have in common? At least one elite WR. NE-Randy Moss, Dallas-Owens, Cleveland-Braylon Edwards, Indy-Harrison & Wayne.. Points come from the passing game!! Of course the line (which we have a good one) and QB (which we have a good one) are important, without the players with the ability to get 40 or 50 yard chunks at a time it's tough to score a ton of points in the league..

I don't know what your Redskins 7 deep WR depth chart looked like before the draft but I saw Moss, Randle-El, Mix, Thrash and that's it. I see 2 solid WR, an unproven-undrafted prospect and an older special teams player.. If Thomas and/or Kelly develop into what we expect, we can legitimately trot out 4 solid WR on any given week and cause matchup nightmares for any DC. Can you imagine having to put a nickel or dime corner on Moss in the slot? Having a LB or safety matched one on one with Randle-El? With the attention the WR are going to require, it sets up another mismatch for Cooley with whomever has to match up with him. This was a draft to build an explosive offense to compete with the elite teams in the league.[/QUOTE]

The teams you mentioned also had great lines. Look what happened to Brady when he finally got pressured. Moss didn't make a difference. All these guys had time to look over the defense and wait for someone to get open. You can only do that with a great offensive line. Without it, you better have John Elway.

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Here's the deal. I find it hard to believe that any of our picks we're not the highest player on our board. If we accept that then we can only view this draft as a success right now because we got as much talent as we possibly could. Some of us would prefer that we addresses some other needs and I understand that but we have to assume that Cerrato and co. felt taking players for needs was going to get us less talent overall. In the end we'll be lucky to get 4-5 solid to good players out of a draft like this. Trading down and accumulating more picks in the rounds wehere we felt value was to be had was just plain smart. No other way to to reasonably look at it.

Take away our own perceived abilities of the players and substitute the the abilities that our FO thinks these guys have and we had a good haul.

It all comes down to talent evaluation now. Nothing else. They either knew what they were getting or didn't. The fact that we didn't rally address some needs spots was simply a function of our talent evaluation.

So we'll see.

We have to ask ourselves though what "successful" means at some point. If we go out and go 2-14 this year because our DLine tanked and JC got sacked every other play but in 3 years we have the high flyinest offense ever with the greatest WR corp on the planet then was this a successful draft? Or are we only going to year by year? In other words if every single player we picked makes the team and contributes well but we suck because we didn't get a pass rusher or linemen are we okay with that?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;445191]
I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.[/QUOTE]

Well of course. We have no idea how well things are going to turn out until the players start playing for us in the regular season. There is always that chance that this draft could be a bust, but could also be the best draft we've had in years. I'm on the side of wait and see how things turn out, but I really didn't see anything wrong with how we drafted, other than the fact that we could get any stud OL's or DE's. But, who knows, maybe we have and just don't know it yet.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;445180]What's more amazing to me is despite most draft experts saying the Redskins had a good draft, there are still people out there bashing away at everything the team does.[/QUOTE]

I am not amazed at all that people on this site now love the experts and think they are experts because they gave the Skins high marks (thereby agreeing with what they think as fans). Had the experts given the Skins low marks these same people would have called the experts idiots with an anti-Redskins bias. Its the same old stuff, if they agree with me they are smart and if they dont they are idiots.

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[QUOTE=Jake2008;445217]The teams you mentioned also had great lines. Look what happened to Brady when he finally got pressured. Moss didn't make a difference. All these guys had time to look over the defense and wait for someone to get open. You can only do that with a great offensive line. Without it, you better have John Elway.[/QUOTE]

I acknowledged the line, but also said we have a good one. Samuels is a perennial pro bowler, Thomas and Rabach are very good, Jansen and Kendall are just about done but we can probably get another good season out of them both. Last year our inability to score points didn't have as much to do with not being able to protect the QB as our lack of weapons the defense had to account for and the playcalling did. Our OL depth needed (and needs) improvement, but we didn't go into the draft needing starters on the OL in '08. If Samuels or Jansen goes down for an extended period, I'm ok with Heyer and to a much lesser extent, Wade. If Thomas or Kendall goes down, we've got Alexander and the rookie. We've got a top 15 OL in the NFL right now when everyone is healthy, now we have the weaponry to utilize them.

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[quote=irish;445228]Its the same old stuff, if they agree with me they are smart and if they dont they are idiots.[/quote]

Isn't that the way fans are supposed to act?

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i never really got he vinny hate, but either way i am pleased with how he handled the draft

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I'm glad it's at least clear now who is making the picks.

As for this draft, both Boswell and JLac at the Post were pretty skeptical about not bolstering the line or the DB corps in round 2, and I think most of us were as well (admit it: you were at first kinda surprised with the TE and 2nd WR). The premise of this argument is that the skins draft board was skewed by Snyder's deep desire for a serious WR. That overvalued the pass catchers at the expense of everyone else. And the rest of the league generally had lower grades for these guys than the skins did, or at least so it appears, given how low they fell.

Time will tell, of course. And Rome was not built in a day. But I would feel much better if they had picked an OL or DL player in round 2.

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For the record, I never thought Cerrato was bad at his job. I always disliked him because he was a yes man to Snyder. It is obvious that Cerrato is making these personnell decisions and Snyder is having little involvement in them.

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Maybe my expectations are lowered, since this is the first year in a LONG time we are working with a legitimate number of draft picks. In past years, 2-3 players in a draft sticking around past their rookie contract was an excellent draft for the Skins. I'm pretty confident that we'll get at least that out of this class. However, we had 3-4 extra picks this year, so perhaps my expectations should be higher. This is all so foreign to me.

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I am also impressed with the way Vinny handled the draft. I think the movement in both the 2nd and 5th rounds were good moves for us. I do believe that we will make some type of after June 1 move to get depth on the DL and the OL.

IF, the OL can stay healthy in total, this offense will be EXPLOSIVE!

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I'm not that big a fan of VC the person, but I've always thought he's pretty good at what he does. And I can't state enough how critical Scott Campbell is to the whole process. I know I've been pimping him for a while now, but dude knows his sh*t.

I think most of the criticism directed toward the Redskins in the past has been "They pick good players...so why don't they pick more often?" Which is valid.

This year we addressed several, but not all, needs. There still is the undrafted free agency period and June 1 cuts of course.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;445198]I feel that's a fair criticism of me, but again, when I see the potential for a great draft, and all we can do is fill a mid level need for the future with it, I'm (naturally) going to be disappointed.

I mean, there's the train of thought that you filled a critical need cheaply, but you have to ask yourself if the need was actually filled, and at what cost. Yes, the "red zone weapons" need was filled, but it cost THREE second round draft picks. Was the red zone weapons need worth three second round draft picks? A rational person would say no.

I think who we didn't draft is a very critical factor in evaluating a draft. If it wasn't, no one would every have a bad draft. I'm not advocating hindsight three years from now if Calais Campbell becomes an all-pro. That's pretty pointless. I'm looking at a roster that is seven deep with competent receivers, and I'm just thinking to myself, as we all should be:

"[I]If Santana Moss gets back on track this year, where are we going to play him?[/I] [I]If Randle El continues to play well, where are we going to play him?[/I]"

Fact: Wide Receivers and Tight Ends don't have the impact on the game to make the offense score ten more points per game than it did last season. People don't have any clue what they are talking about. That's just not the way things work.

What we didn't do was add any significant help for a front seven that is starting 4 players over the age of thirty, and a 5th next year when Andre Carter hits 30. [B]That matters. [/B]It really does.

Yes, we can address those needs next year, but do you have any confidence that we will?[/QUOTE]

Don't worry Calais Campbell won't be a pro bowler.

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[quote=SmootSmack;445248]I'm not that big a fan of VC the person, but I've always thought he's pretty good at what he does. And I can't state enough how critical Scott Campbell is to the whole process. I know I've been pimping him for a while now, but dude knows his sh*t.

[B]I think most of the criticism directed toward the Redskins in the past has been "They pick good players...so why don't they pick more often?" Which is valid. [/B]

This year we addressed several, but not all, needs. There still is the undrafted free agency period and June 1 cuts of course.[/quote]

Smootsmack - I think this is the biggest issue I have with the Skins. I have bashed Cerrato before, but this draft went well in my opinion and if they did what they did this year going forward I would be pretty happy as far as attempting to acquire more picks by trading down.

What still worries me is I read a lot of reports that said the Skins were trying to trade multiple picks for Chad Johnson , Boldin or Williams. While all 3 receivers have good production, I really wish the Skins would get away from trying to unload their picks by acquiring high profile players. While many of you will argue that any of these 3 guys will solve the passing problems of our offense, I would think you really can't defend that all 3 of these players would put a major strain on our salary cap situation. So thank goodness the Bengals, Lions and Cardinals saved the Redskins from themselves and refused to trade. I am glad the Skins decided not to trade away their picks and instead roll the dice on some recievers I think will do pretty well [B][SIZE=4]and for a heck of a lot less than these other 3 will cost[/SIZE][/B].

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building a team does not end in draft picks. it will continue as the OTA and camps goes. maybe calais campbell will be a camp cut and then we can sign him.

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<<I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.>>

Three years? Wait three months...most of these guys will not make the team. My two cents...but I realize I am in the minority.

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[quote=Bill B;445270]Smootsmack - I think this is the biggest issue I have with the Skins. I have bashed Cerrato before, but this draft went well in my opinion and if they did what they did this year going forward I would be pretty happy as far as attempting to acquire more picks by trading down.

What still worries me is I read a lot of reports that said the Skins were trying to trade multiple picks for Chad Johnson , Boldin or Williams. While all 3 receivers have good production, I really wish the Skins would get away from trying to unload their picks by acquiring high profile players. While many of you will argue that any of these 3 guys will solve the passing problems of our offense, I would think you really can't defend that all 3 of these players would put a major strain on our salary cap situation. So thank goodness the Bengals, Lions and Cardinals saved the Redskins from themselves and refused to trade. I am glad the Skins decided not to trade away their picks and instead roll the dice on some recievers I think will do pretty well [B][SIZE=4]and for a heck of a lot less than these other 3 will cost[/SIZE][/B].[/quote]

Also you assume a lot less risk with 3 players as opposed to 1. If 1 of the 3 gets injured you still have 2 able bodies to maintain their position.

If that 1 player gets hurt that position is now a liability. I'm glad the football gods smiled upon us and let us keep our draft picks.

Hail to the Redskins

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[QUOTE=Bill B;445270]Smootsmack - I think this is the biggest issue I have with the Skins. I have bashed Cerrato before, but this draft went well in my opinion and if they did what they did this year going forward I would be pretty happy as far as attempting to acquire more picks by trading down.

What still worries me is I read a lot of reports that said the Skins were trying to trade multiple picks for Chad Johnson , Boldin or Williams. While all 3 receivers have good production, I really wish the Skins would get away from trying to unload their picks by acquiring high profile players. While many of you will argue that any of these 3 guys will solve the passing problems of our offense, I would think you really can't defend that all 3 of these players would put a major strain on our salary cap situation. So thank goodness the Bengals, Lions and Cardinals saved the Redskins from themselves and refused to trade. I am glad the Skins decided not to trade away their picks and instead roll the dice on some recievers I think will do pretty well [B][SIZE=4]and for a heck of a lot less than these other 3 will cost[/SIZE][/B].[/QUOTE]

I think unfortunately what's reported is inaccurate. Better said, incomplete. The real story is that they were exploring multiple options to do what was best for their team. And they identified early on that improving the WR position was best for the team. So they looked at drafting one in the first round, trading down to pick up a WR later and pick up draft choices, discussing various trade options for established veterans. It's just like every other team did (should have done) throughout the past several weeks. But the sexy story is "multiple picks offered for Chad Johnson." It just doesn't tell the whole story.

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<<I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.>>

Three years? Wait three...
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: NFC Grades: Yahoo Sports

<<Well you might be correct about the punter but we will never know.>>

We will know...in late August when he he gets cut...
Forum: NFL Draft Central 04-28-2008, 12:47 PM
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Poll: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

<<And Thomas is not identical to Kelly at all. They're two different types of WR's. Thomas is more of a game breaker and Kelly is a possesion guy. Get your facts straight.>>

All I know is this: ...
Forum: NFL Draft Central 04-28-2008, 12:46 PM
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Poll: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

<<One of the 10 picks will make the roster? C'mon bro you're the one looking like the retard here.>>

I'll be back in September when the roster's released...and we'll see who's laughing then. Buh...
Forum: NFL Draft Central 04-28-2008, 12:32 PM
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NFC Grades: Yahoo Sports
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: NFC Grades: Yahoo Sports

<<I think we should all be happy!>>

Originally Posted by sbaughone View Post
<<I think we should all be happy!>>

What crack are you smoking? You're happy because some dipshit says the Redskins had a good draft? How about 10 picks and MAYBE one guy makes the roster? This will go down as one of the worst drafts in Redskins history. Wait until September and see how many of these losers make the roster...it will be one. And don't even get me started on drafting a punter that no one wanted. We could have signed him as a FA for nuttin. Cerrato is an idiot. Get rid of him asap.
Forum: NFL Draft Central 04-28-2008, 12:27 PM
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Draft Grades: USA Today
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: Draft Grades: USA Today

Fun to watch? I can't wait until next January when Cerrato and everyone else gets fired. Cerrato just wasted 10 picks on a bunch of losers. That may very well go down as the worst draft for a team...
Forum: NFL Draft Central 04-28-2008, 12:25 PM
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NFC Grades: Yahoo Sports
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: NFC Grades: Yahoo Sports

That guy's an idiot. The sooner we get rid of cerrato the better our chances of winning will be.
Forum: NFL Draft Central 04-28-2008, 11:10 AM
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Poll: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins
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Posted By sbaughone
Re: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

F minus minus. I will elaborate on why grim4coach says vinnie and danny are retarded:

1) We took two identical WR's. Kelly is slow as molasses...4.78 40? DE's had better times.
2) We have a Pro...


Dude from reading your recent posts all I can say is you are a complete bitch.