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Of course we weren't there and are so thirsty for any kind of news about our beloved Redskins that anything resembling actual football excites us, but what are your thoughts after this weekend?

One positive thing I took from reading the players and coaches comments about Zorn is that they are excited and re-energized by him. It seems by the comments of the weekend (especially the offensive players) Gibbs 2.0 was a stifling environment and didn't let the players do what they did best. In a 3 day span there were comments from Randle-El, Moss, Cooley, Jansen, Portis, Campell, Samuels and Thomas all referring to the offense 'opening up' and 'letting players make plays'. If Campbell develops, even a little bit from where he left off last year, he should be dynamite with the weapons he has.

To a man, the defense seemed happy about working with Blache in a simplified system that allows them to make plays as well. There is such a thing as 'over coaching' your players.

The obvious negative was the Fred Davis situation. Zorn can turn that into a positive by the way he handles it behind closed doors and we'll see if we have more instances along these lines or if it becomes a one time thing.

Overall I'm stoked and wish training camp started today!

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I think a certain herd mentality has surfaced among the offensive players about Zorn & the WCO. It may be that they are all excited for a change, or just that their expectations are now higher.

Even though it's a new system, I actually feel good about the offense & think that we'll score more & stay in games w/the O. However, the more I think about it, there is little to no improvement on D to this point & that is troubling. Given the age of numerous starters & the lack of depth behind them, I'm thinking our D. is likely to regress this year. Not to mention, Blache might be good, but he's no GW.

There is still time to pick up some additional players, and who knows, maybe a couple young guys are ready to step up more, e.g. Wilson, Torrence, Eubanks, but I wouldn't count on that too much. We're really going to need Rogers & McIntosh to be able to come back near full strength, cause there are certainly going to be injuries on that side of the ball to the older guys.

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The NFL version of the West coast offense takes time to master. I expect the offense to be more pass happy, but that may not translate into more wins right away. Campbell needs time to get comfortable in the entire play book, not just the condensed one they are working on right now. Expect some growing pains.

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It's a minor point, and probably not one that many people care about, but I noticed that Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were wearing jersey numbers 11 and 12. Maybe those are strictly mini-camp numbers, and will change to a number in the eighties once the season begins. But I also saw that Fred Davis had #86.

I've never been a fan of wideouts who choose a jersey number outside of 80-89. Weird, I know. I guess I have OCD with that kind of thing. The NFL did make an official change recently to allow WRs to wear numbers between 11-19 if all the eighties numbers were taken up. With more and more tight ends on rosters these days, that was apparently becoming a problem enough for the league to change its policy. I just wish they moved the tight ends out and put them in the 40's or something, like Cooley.

Oh well. Guess I'll have to get over it. Because it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

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I think Portis' yards per run will go up significantly with more passing in the WCO. We need to be patient with Zorn. Jump from QB coach to head coach is huge, and a brand new offense may be hard to do in one year. The more I hear about him the more I like him and I think our offense will be better.

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[quote=Beemnseven;446814]It's a minor point, and probably not one that many people care about, but I noticed that Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were wearing jersey numbers 11 and 12. Maybe those are strictly mini-camp numbers, and will change to a number in the eighties once the season begins. But I also saw that Fred Davis had #86.

I've never been a fan of wideouts who choose a jersey number outside of 80-89. Weird, I know. I guess I have OCD with that kind of thing. The NFL did make an official change recently to allow WRs to wear numbers between 11-19 if all the eighties numbers were taken up. With more and more tight ends on rosters these days, that was apparently becoming a problem enough for the league to change its policy. I just wish they moved the tight ends out and put them in the 40's or something, like Cooley.

Oh well. Guess I'll have to get over it. Because it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.[/quote]

I actually agree with you, but assume this was the players' choice since 84 and 85 (the numbers they held up at the pressers) were open. Technically, tight ends can move to 40-49 if the 80's are taken just as receivers can go to 11-19.

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I think the offense's excitement is probably a little bit of Zorns system and a little bit of excitement over not being in Gibbs system anymore.

It's good to have some football to talk about (even if it's minicamp).

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Exactly im excited about REDSKINS talk but I don't agree with you on that the redskins might not do well I think 10-6 or 11-5 Zorn bring enthusiam too this team. As I hat to say this but it is true Gibbs secong go around was very boring

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/photo/photo-gallery?chronicleId=09000d5d8081d316]NFL Photos: 2008 Minicamps - Washington Redskins[/url]

Not really thoughts about minicamp, but I just wanted people to see pics from minicamp, and pic 15/21 is a nice looking pic with ARE on the left, Santana in the middle, and Malcolm Kelly on the right.

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[quote=Defensewins;446813]The NFL version of the West coast offense takes time to master. I expect the offense to be more pass happy, but that may not translate into more wins right away. Campbell needs time to get comfortable in the entire play book, not just the condensed one they are working on right now. Expect some growing pains.[/quote]The WRs also will need time to absorb this new philosophy. I don't expect the offense to be humming at peak efficiency until the middle of year 2 under Zorn. I fully expect growing pains this season, and will accept them happily with the promise of a more wide open attack that will be extremely difficult to defend down the road.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]The NFL version of the West coast offense takes time to master. I expect the offense to be more pass happy, but that may not translate into more wins right away. Campbell needs time to get comfortable in the entire play book, not just the condensed one they are working on right now. Expect some growing pains.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouperMeister;446873]The WRs also will need time to absorb this new philosophy. I don't expect the offense to be humming at peak efficiency until the middle of year 2 under Zorn. I fully expect growing pains this season, and will accept them happily with the promise of a more wide open attack that will be extremely difficult to defend down the road.[/QUOTE]

See, I think the 'growing pains' tend to be overblown to a point. Personally, I'm tired of the excuses. I'm not saying I expect 35 points a game or anything, but these guys are professionals. No offensive system is identical to be sure, but it's not like they're 4 year-olds trying to learn Mandarin Chinese.

The New Orleans Saints seemed to adapt rather quickly to Sean Payton's quirky, wide open offense with a new quarterback and a rookie wideout. Maybe they are the exception to the rule, but as SmootSmack said awhile back, perhaps Zorn's West Coast system is precisely the type of offensive philosophy these guys are suited for.

Let's hope anyway.

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[quote=doman29@hotmail.com;446853]Exactly im excited about REDSKINS talk but I don't agree with you on that the redskins might not do well I think 10-6 or 11-5 Zorn bring enthusiam too this team. As I hat to say this but it is true Gibbs secong go around was very boring[/quote]

I suppose winning the last 4 games of the regular season to go to the playoffs in 2 different seasons is also boring...and maybe downing the ball 3 consecutive snaps in a row to cement a victory is boring too.

Gibbs conserves wins. He got us in the playoffs twice in 4 years. Every coach since Gibbs 1.0 has only put us in the playoffs once in 12 years.



Boring or not, making the playoffs is exciting.

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I Think Our Defense Will Be In The Top 10 Maybe Even Top 5

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[quote=doman29@hotmail.com;446910]I Think Our Defense Will Be In The Top 10 Maybe Even Top 5[/quote]

Hey man, not going to fault you for optimism... If our defense is that good, we should def. be in the playoffs..

While I think we have enough playmakers in our secondary (I think Landry is going to be a pro bowl starter this year), our front 7 could give be in trouble due to age and injuries.

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I like the vibe, though this is the honeymoon period, no doubt. But, like most folks, I was very taken with Zorn's style. He's got a unique way about him. I can see why he's a rising star in the coaching ranks, though this is a big transition. (BTW, didn't Andy Reid go from QBs to head coach, after being under Holmgren? Just a thought...) There is no doubt that Zorn is a great teacher, and he also really seems to get into the details. How he'll be calling plays and making the big decisions, we'll see.

As for the offense, I think the transition will be quicker. We're keeping a fair bit of our run scheme, plus CP thrives in this kind of spread offense (or he did...). And JC had his best year in this kind of system, and we saw that he did well with the cuffs off in the no-huddle last year. The timing and all will be tougher, but it's not like it's a 700 page playbook or anything ;)

On the D, I think we'll be pretty good, but I agree that injuries are a big concern. We're going to need at least one Antonio Pierce type story, or maybe two, I think, to get through this year. Let's hope that some no-name blue collar guys step up and help. But LL looks strong, and London will have em all in the right places at least. We'll see.

I hope it starts quick, but if it doesn't, I hope Danny and Vinny (and the more volatile members of this board) stick with Zorn and let him develop. Rome wasn't built in a day or even a season. 2.5-3 seasons at least IMO, but that's rare indeed in today's NFL.

Is it time for training camp yet???

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;446814]It's a minor point, and probably not one that many people care about, but I noticed that Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were wearing jersey numbers 11 and 12. Maybe those are strictly mini-camp numbers, and will change to a number in the eighties once the season begins. But I also saw that Fred Davis had #86.

I've never been a fan of wideouts who choose a jersey number outside of 80-89. Weird, I know. I guess I have OCD with that kind of thing. The NFL did make an official change recently to allow WRs to wear numbers between 11-19 if all the eighties numbers were taken up. With more and more tight ends on rosters these days, that was apparently becoming a problem enough for the league to change its policy. I just wish they moved the tight ends out and put them in the 40's or something, like Cooley.

Oh well. Guess I'll have to get over it. Because it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

Actually, since 2004 WR's can opt to go with a number in the teens even if there are numbers in the 80's still available. [url=http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/a/04rulechanges.htm]NFL Rules Changes for the 2004 NFL Season[/url]

For me there just seems to be something special about those guys coming into the league wearing 11 and 12. I hope they stick with them personally.

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Depth on the OL and defense worries me the most right now. I think we can have a good year if we avoid the injury bug.

I see the offense putting more points on the board and taking some pressure off the defense. Honestly believe Blache is going to surprise everyone. I see us having a top ten D this year. Blache is no slouch. The Bears had a stout D under his guidance.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;446884]I suppose winning the last 4 games of the regular season to go to the playoffs in 2 different seasons is also boring...and maybe downing the ball 3 consecutive snaps in a row to cement a victory is boring too.

Gibbs conserves wins. He got us in the playoffs twice in 4 years. Every coach since Gibbs 1.0 has only put us in the playoffs once in 12 years.



Boring or not, making the playoffs is exciting.[/quote]

I'm a Gibbs fan but if our D was not ranked in the top 10 those years our O could not have carried this team to any playoff game. You can blame the QB the coach who ever you want but our O was the drag on this team 4 years in a row and the D one year.

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[quote=riggins44;446982]Depth on the OL and defense worries me the most right now. I think we can have a good year if we avoid the injury bug.

I see the offense putting more points on the board and taking some pressure off the defense. Honestly believe Blache is going to surprise everyone. I see us having a top ten D this year. Blache is no slouch. The Bears had a stout D under his guidance.[/quote]

On the contrary, I think depth on the O-Line is great. Right now I'd give it a B+. I mean obviously no one has a problem with the five guys expected to start, though I'm pretty sure most would like to see Rhinehart take over for Kendall. Keary Brown is going to be a very good guard in his own right, and might just end up being this years version of Stephon Heyer. Which brings up Heyer who did a pretty good job filling in for Jansen last year, and on top of that the coaching staff is comfortable with him being the primary backup for Samuals, which worries me a little but I'll take it.

Fabini played decently last year, though at times it seemed like touch and go. And with that said I'd say the O-Line is pretty much set for this year.

Obviously though I agree with you that our D-Line is an area of concern, and personally I wouldn't be worried so much if they had a little more depth at linebacker, as I've become convinced our defense relys heavily on the play of our linebackers, and with one very good backup for two injury prone guys I'd say theres need for concern.

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i agree.There going to use portis like philly does westbrook get him the ball in open space.The years of using safety to spy on cp are over.1500 yards rushing,1000 yds receiving.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;447008]On the contrary, I think depth on the O-Line is great. Right now I'd give it a B+. I mean obviously no one has a problem with the five guys expected to start, though I'm pretty sure most would like to see Rhinehart take over for Kendall. Keary Brown is going to be a very good guard in his own right, and might just end up being this years version of Stephon Heyer. Which brings up Heyer who did a pretty good job filling in for Jansen last year, and on top of that the coaching staff is comfortable with him being the primary backup for Samuals, which worries me a little but I'll take it.

Fabini played decently last year, though at times it seemed like touch and go. And with that said I'd say the O-Line is pretty much set for this year.

Obviously though I agree with you that our D-Line is an area of concern, and personally I wouldn't be worried so much if they had a little more depth at linebacker, as I've become convinced our defense relys heavily on the play of our linebackers, and with one very good backup for two injury prone guys I'd say theres need for concern.[/QUOTE]

Good point on the O-Line depth, and that does not even account for the fact that Lorenzo Alexander might be used as O-Line depth also giving us plenty of young depth on the O-Line. Anyone heard anything about which side of the ball they plan on using Alexander? Or is he to be the 300 pound human ping pong ball again?

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Speaking of OL depth, did anyone else notice this in the Washington Times?

"Longtime right tackle Jon Jansen, recovering from a broken right leg that ended his 2007 season in the first half of the opener, will receive some work at center, where the Redskins don't have a true backup to Casey Rabach since they didn't re-sign Mike Pucillo."

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/SPORTS01/707629258/1023&template=nextpage]Punter Frost ready for test - - Breaking News, Political News & National Security News - The Washington Times[/url]

I can't picture Jansen at C

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[quote=skinsqc;447027]i agree.There going to use portis like philly does westbrook get him the ball in open space.The years of using safety to spy on cp are over.1500 yards rushing,[B]1000 yds receiving[/B].[/quote]


Lets not get crazy here okay. We didnt just draft 2 WR to have CP get 1,000 recieving yards.

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[quote=djnemo65;446931]Actually, since 2004 WR's can opt to go with a number in the teens even if there are numbers in the 80's still available. [URL="http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/a/04rulechanges.htm"]NFL Rules Changes for the 2004 NFL Season[/URL]

For me there just seems to be something special about those guys coming into the league where 11 and 12. I hope they stick with them personally.[/quote]


I wish Thomas could wear 34
Davis 48
and Kelly 51

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;447033]Speaking of OL depth, did anyone else notice this in the Washington Times?

"Longtime right tackle Jon Jansen, recovering from a broken right leg that ended his 2007 season in the first half of the opener, will receive some work at center, where the Redskins don't have a true backup to Casey Rabach since they didn't re-sign Mike Pucillo."

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/SPORTS01/707629258/1023&template=nextpage]Punter Frost ready for test - - Breaking News, Political News & National Security News - The Washington Times[/url]

I can't picture Jansen at C[/QUOTE]

Saw that. It's a worry. We're going to pick up vet after the cuts, I bet. (At vet min, of course...).

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[quote=Beemnseven;446877]See, I think the 'growing pains' tend to be overblown to a point. Personally, I'm tired of the excuses. I'm not saying I expect 35 points a game or anything, but these guys are professionals. No offensive system is identical to be sure, but it's not like they're 4 year-olds trying to learn Mandarin Chinese.

The New Orleans Saints seemed to adapt rather quickly to Sean Payton's quirky, wide open offense with a new quarterback and a rookie wideout. Maybe they are the exception to the rule, but as SmootSmack said awhile back, perhaps Zorn's West Coast system is precisely the type of offensive philosophy these guys are suited for.

Let's hope anyway.[/quote]

I'm glad you brought that up. Brees came in and had to learn and new offense plus wasn't he coming off a serious shoulder injury?

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I also noticed Don Breux in the backround in one of the pictures. Does anyone know what the hell he does?

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So far, I like Zorn's approach to running camp and I like the way he handled the Fred Davis situation. It could have gone worse. O line depth scares me. It doesnt matter how explosive our WR's are or how many 1000 yard rushing seasons our RB has had, without an O line we have nothing. We need some depth at C. I hope we sign some depth.

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From what I've heard, Lorenzo Alexander is going to be another human ping pong ball.
His ability to play OL and DL has increased his value.

Dirtbag, I know what you're saying and don't totally disagree. I prefer to wait and see
how Rhinehart and Brown do under live fire first.

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[quote=skinsfan69;447126]I also noticed Don Breux in the backround in one of the pictures. Does anyone know what the hell he does?[/quote]

I think he's offensive quality control or some BS like that.

I was disappointed to see that DE Dotson from Oklahoma was released. I thought he had a shot. Hopefully he got an idea of what we're looking for in a DE, does some work over the summer, and get a camp invite.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;447126]I also noticed Don Breux in the backround in one of the pictures. Does anyone know what the hell he does?[/QUOTE]

He's a scout for the team now. Advance scout to be more specific

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Just from reading all the reports, it sounds like the offense has a long long way to go. I was listening to JC on one of the local radio stations a few weeks back and he said that he was at the point of mastering Al's system. I know it's too early to be saying this but I'm just wondering if changing the offense again was really worth it. Imagine how much further along JC would be if he wasn't learning yet another offense.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;447603]Just from reading all the reports, it sounds like the offense has a long long way to go. I was listening to JC on one of the local radio stations a few weeks back and he said that he was at the point of mastering Al's system. I know it's too early to be saying this but I'm just wondering if changing the offense again was really worth it. Imagine how much further along JC would be if he wasn't learning yet another offense.[/QUOTE]

The offense that is being installed is pretty much what JC ran at Auburn. He isnt really learning a new offense, just adding to what he already knew. As far as mini camp goes, Zorn gave his offense an abbreviated version. They only had a few plays to run and practice. They werent really there to master the offense, but to be evaluated by the coaches based on skill and fundemental awareness. Not only that, but the defense has been pretty much the same with Blache from the previous years, so I do not think the offense was bad, just that the defense was really, really good.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;447605]The offense that is being installed is pretty much what JC ran at Auburn. He isnt really learning a new offense, just adding to what he already knew. As far as mini camp goes, Zorn gave his offense an abbreviated version. They only had a few plays to run and practice. They werent really there to master the offense, but to be evaluated by the coaches based on skill and fundemental awareness. Not only that, but the defense has been pretty much the same with Blache from the previous years, so I do not think the offense was bad, just that the defense was really, really good.[/quote

The bottom line is these guys are learning Zorn's version of the offense and it's new to everybody. All the players are studying and learning and starting over. Some of them said they feel like rookies. There are going to be growing pains. My point is was it worth changing everything around again? Especially in the toughest division in football. I guess time will tell. But it's only May. We've got all summer to work things out.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;447619] The bottom line is these guys are learning Zorn's version of the offense and it's new to everybody. All the players are studying and learning and starting over. Some of them said they feel like rookies. There are going to be growing pains. My point is was it worth changing everything around again? Especially in the toughest division in football. I guess time will tell. But it's only May. We've got all summer to work things out.[/QUOTE]

IMO the answer is yes, but only because it is at worst vaguely familiar to our field general. He can dig deep, find what he already has, and expand it. Its like JC has this rugged little crap rock imbedded deep in his skull, and Zorn is going to dig it out, and turn it into a million dollar diamond, one that cheesy enough as it sounds, will end up on our Super Bowl ring.

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Its not hard to imagine that the skins should atleast go .500 for the season. When Reid made the same transition with the Eagles he didn't have the weapons that we have. He had none productive WR's, but with McNabb, and Westbrooke it was enough to win games. With that in mind, the game at times will be slower with not as many deep balls, just due to the scheme. But it should also be known that when CP was in Denver ( a similar system) he flourished. I would expect him to be used more in the passing games, also with Betts. That could be a dangerous combo.

Over all I am not expecting much as they learn the system. But once they got it, it could be very good.

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transitions are tough to call, in additon to the NO example w/Brees & Peyton, there was last year's Dallas example w/Wade P. & Garret taking over. There are a lot of parallels to dallas last year & us this year, old legend coach leaves, new o-coordinator who's a former qb. I'd be thrilled if we have that kind of success in year 1.

It is obviously more than possible as we've seen nfl teams adjust quickly & positively to new coaches & systems, however the opposite is true as well. I feel good about the O, but I'm actually worried about the D this year. No major improvements were made on that side of the ball, some crucial players are getting older & they've got to deal w/last year's injuries to Rogers & McIntosh.

Despite Blache being the in house guy, it's still a transition for everybody w/him as the head guy, and we don't know that he's nearly as good as GW,who did an incredible job IMO w/what he had.

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it is what it is, all we can do is get behind i team and support them i beleive the D will as good if not better, the O will start slow but finish strong, HAIL TO THE SKINS!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;447619][quote=Stuck in TX;447605]The offense that is being installed is pretty much what JC ran at Auburn. He isnt really learning a new offense, just adding to what he already knew. As far as mini camp goes, Zorn gave his offense an abbreviated version. They only had a few plays to run and practice. They werent really there to master the offense, but to be evaluated by the coaches based on skill and fundemental awareness. Not only that, but the defense has been pretty much the same with Blache from the previous years, so I do not think the offense was bad, just that the defense was really, really good.[/quote

The bottom line is these guys are learning Zorn's version of the offense and it's new to everybody. All the players are studying and learning and starting over. Some of them said they feel like rookies. There are going to be growing pains. My point is was it worth changing everything around again? Especially in the toughest division in football. I guess time will tell. But it's only May. We've got all summer to work things out.[/QUOTE]

Mods, please pardon the below. I looked for a couple of pages to find an appropriate thread in order to post this.
I pulled the following from the Redskin Insider Blog. I thought it was an excellent and interesting comment about the See-haux offense, and we may be able to expect the same or near similar. Now, if I can just get it to paste!

"What Seattle ran

Redskins 360
POSTED 3:49 PM BY Ryan O'Halloran

A question posed on a recent Redskins message board wondered what Seattle ran offensively against the Redskins in the teams' January playoff game, won by the Seahawks 35-14. This is obviously asked to start predicting what kind of formations Jim Zorn will use as the Redskins' coach.

You asked for it, here it is.

Total snaps: 54

4WR-1RB: 14 times. ... Seattle ran this formation on four of its first five snaps. The big plays out of this set was a 17-yard touchdown run and a 20-yard touchdown pass. The pass-run breakdown is 10-4.

3WR-2RB: 10 times. ... The Seahawks connected for a 35-yard pass but also threw an interception. The four running plays gained nine yards.

3WR-1RB: 17 times. ... This ended up being the most common formation. Seattle passed 11 times (plus one sack) from this set.

2WR-2RB: 8 times. ... Four passes (including one INT) and four runs.

1WR-2RB: 4 times. ... Three of these plays came after Seattle assumed a 28-14 lead.

5WR: 1 time. ... Mike Holmgren lined up Shaun Alexander as a receiver and Shawn Springs snuffed out the play for a 1-yard loss.

Expect this to change with Zorn because of the presence of Chris Cooley and the expectation to get rookie Fred Davis on the field. Since Cooley is an every snap player, whenever Davis is on the field, he'll have to be moved around.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;446814]It's a minor point, and probably not one that many people care about, but I noticed that Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were wearing jersey numbers 11 and 12. Maybe those are strictly mini-camp numbers, and will change to a number in the eighties once the season begins. But I also saw that Fred Davis had #86.

I've never been a fan of wideouts who choose a jersey number outside of 80-89. Weird, I know. I guess I have OCD with that kind of thing. The NFL did make an official change recently to allow WRs to wear numbers between 11-19 if all the eighties numbers were taken up. With more and more tight ends on rosters these days, that was apparently becoming a problem enough for the league to change its policy. I just wish they moved the tight ends out and put them in the 40's or something, like Cooley.

Oh well. Guess I'll have to get over it. Because it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.[/QUOTE]


Malcolm Kelly, in an interview witrh Larry Michael on Redskins Radio last week made reference to the fact he did not like numbers in the 80's, so it could be he will continue to wear #12. Personally I dont care what number he wears, long as he's productive.

Was great to see the attendance for OTA's was good, the guys apeared to be excited and enthused about getting their work in. The team has worked hard this off-season, and hope their efforts will pay off when the season starts. The good part about the new offense is that they're all on the same level at this point learning together.