Redskins Release WR/KR Jerome Mathis
 

The Redskins have signed undrafted rookie defensive lineman Jonathan "J.T." Mapu, the team announced on Thursday.

To make room for Mapu on the roster, the Redskins have released wide receiver and kick returner Jerome Mathis.

[url=http://redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35902]Redskins Sign Mapu, Release Mathis[/url]

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ah well. was kinda looking forward to seeing what he could offer our kick return game. but rock is solid (as a rock. get it?... okay, fine. sorry.) and devin thomas could probably step in and push him.

didn't need dude when we got him and need him even less now

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This is no surprise. Drafting Thomas and Kelly should have been writing on the wall for Mathis.

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I doubt we'll see a collective 'oops' from the sky is falling crowd who thought this was the end of the Redskins franchise when he was signed.

With Thomas having KR experience and Rock we should be good at that position..

Beware of the inevitable 'Koren Robinson' inquiries to flood this thread.

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I was kinda routing for Mathis, I have a softspot for local guys. This might be good news for Thrash somewhat too.

Is Mapu the second coming of Big Joe?

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[quote=riggins44;448653]This is no surprise. Drafting Thomas and Kelly should have been writing on the wall for Mathis.[/quote]

No doubt. Not to mention that Thomas is a very good return guy as well.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;448654]Beware of the inevitable 'Koren Robinson' inquiries to flood this thread.[/QUOTE]

And don't forget that Chris Henry is out there as well. :rolleyes:

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Yet another bonehead move by our FO. Snyder and Cerrato need to be fired, as well as Zorn.

(Yes, this is sarcasm. I am pretty bored today... )

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i really don't understand the original thinking behind signing Mathis anyway. not really a stand up guy

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I wonder if any other WR, like James Thrash might get cut, but good signing for depth on DT.

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What could of been, should of been, would of been.....who cares. Chances of making the team were a long shot anyways. We got Rock, Thomas and even Tryon was taking smack that he would get us to the fifty every time.

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Yeah, the Mapu signing could be decent. He started for Tennessee. I remember him doing a decent job stuffing the run when Florida played against him. Plus if he went on a 2 year church mission you know he's of high character and work ethic. I hope he pans out.

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JM got cut? Well there go our chances at a championship. How could the FO make such a dumb move? Its going to come back and bite 'em in the ass.


simply joshing

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Likely good news for Thrash also.

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Well that was a lot shorter than I thought it'd be.

I thought he'd see a pre-season game or two before the boot. I don't really get the signing to begin with.

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whatever

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Every year I fantasize that some player will become a superstar, after I look at their combine numbers or their size etc. Mathis was one of those guys, I was thinking he would make the team and get back to the pro bowl. I heard Vinny Cerrato saying that they will have to cut ten guys, to sign the draft picks. I have fallen in love with Kevin Huntley, Mathias Askew and Alex Buzbee. Who knows, they could all be cut by the start of training camp.

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[quote=Paintrain;448654]
Beware of the inevitable 'Koren Robinson' inquiries to flood this thread.[/quote]
If he can stay off the liquor, I actually like Koren. It's just a 50/50 shot that he'll make it through a season without being suspended.

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C00l luts sine hm 4 vet min.

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[quote=dmek25;448675]i really don't understand the original thinking behind signing Mathis anyway. not really a stand up guy[/quote]

I think it was just some insurance in case they did not get the receivers they wanted in the draft...

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WOW!
This is a huge shocker for me.

What the hell was the point of signing him in the first place if we weren't going to use him.

Does anyone know if this has any salary cap implictions? Penalties?

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No doubt Thomas and Kelly are the main reasons Mathis got squeezed out.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;448727]No doubt Thomas and Kelly are the main reasons Mathis got squeezed out.[/QUOTE]

Well, I am sure that was the ultimate factor...but why is Thrash still on the roster, but Mathis gone. It just doesn't make sense. Mathis wasn't here to be a WR, he was here to be a KR/PR. That was a dumb move IMO.

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[QUOTE=squrrelco3;448722]I think it was just some insurance in case they did not get the receivers they wanted in the draft...[/QUOTE]

That was kind of my thinking as well....just a little insurance.

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[quote=jsarno;448724]WOW!
This is a huge shocker for me.

What the hell was the point of signing him in the first place if we weren't going to use him.

Does anyone know if this has any salary cap implictions? Penalties?[/quote]

I don't think it's that much of a shock. Our return game has been less than potent. Yes, Rock is great at getting it out past the 20-25 yd line on kickoffs, but we don't exactly explode in the return department. But Thomas, Tryon, Randle El, and Rock all bring enough to special teams to make Mathis, a bad apple character-wise, very expendable.

As far as $$$, probably no impact as far as salary cap is concerned. I'm sure it was a close to if not a totally non-guaranteed contract. Schneed can probably elaborate further, but my guess is he was paid for showing up for workouts/mini-camp, and that's it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;448727]No doubt Thomas and Kelly are the main reasons Mathis got squeezed out.[/QUOTE]

And I'm sure that Mathis was just a cheap pick-up in the event that they weren't able, for any reason, to address their WR/KR needs through free agency/trades/draft. They did so Mathis became expendable.

Plus, they've run through a minicamp with him so if they like what they saw they could always bring him back later this year

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From JLC:

This just in from JLC, who is driving to Bethesda to appear on Washington Post Live:

Wide receiver/return specialist Jerome Mathis, the only outside free agent the Redskins have signed this offseason, has been released, according to the team. Mathis, who has been injury prone and has had legal issues, [B]was a longshot to make the team in the first place[/B]. After the Redskins selected pass-catchers with their first three picks of the draft last month, Mathis became expendable.

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[quote=jsarno;448729]Well, I am sure that was the ultimate factor...but why is Thrash still on the roster, but Mathis gone. It just doesn't make sense. Mathis wasn't here to be a WR, he was here to be a KR/PR. That was a dumb move IMO.[/quote]

Yeah, James Thrash sucks on special teams, can't play wide receiver to save his life, and is a total locker room cancer. Way to go FO! (insert sarcasm)

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[quote=jsarno;448724]WOW!
This is a huge shocker for me.

What the hell was the point of signing him in the first place if we weren't going to use him.

[B]Does anyone know if this has any salary cap implictions? Penalties[/B]?[/quote]

none

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;448780]Yeah, James Thrash sucks on special teams, can't play wide receiver to save his life, and is a total locker room cancer. Way to go FO! (insert sarcasm)[/QUOTE]

How stupid of me! He's CLEARLY an All-Pro and should be our #1 wr, so why not drop our top wr's now since the extremely young Thrash is the answer. (insert sarcasm)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;448787]none[/QUOTE]

That's good. At least it didn't cost us anything.

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Thrash is very valuable on kick and punt coverage - thereby bringing a proven skill set that we don't otherwise have at the WR position. We already had enough kick return talent on the roster, Mathis didn't bring any skill sets that we don't already have.

Mathis was never going to be worth a crap as a WR. Neither is Thrash. But Thrash can tackle and takes good angles to returners.

Thrash still could get cut if Mix looks good as a kickoff coverage guy. But Mathis brings even less to the table than Thrash does. Not to mention character, and cutting Thrash would cause us to carry dead money. Releasing Mathis doesn't. So it's really a no-brainer.

But thanks for playing, Jsarno.

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Man people are pretty quick to call for Thrash to be cut in light of the fact that he's been one of the more solid players on special teams, as well as a decent reciever when we needed a third or fourth guy. Of course thats not the case this year, but to replace him with Jerome Mathis when we already have guys that can return the ball?

Maybe Mix will replace him (Thrash) due to the fact that he seems to have more talent as a reciever as well as a history of playing well on special teams. Not to mention the fact that he's young, and the team already thinks highly enough of him to list him as a starter, even if it is only to motivate Thomas and Kelly.

Either way as far as we know Thrash is well liked in the locker room, and has always been a very good contributer on special teams. Mathis on the other hand was injury prone and even if you ignore the character concerns, he's still probably just a shadow of his former self. Anyway the only way this debate can be reasonably settled is if another team decides to take a chance on him, then we can see how he does but I'm not loosing any more sleep over Jerome Mathis.

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Mathis has character problems.
Thrash has exceptional character

Mathis has crappy experience as a WR.
Thrash was a starter for years.

Mathis has no experience with the Skins.
Thrash has been on this team for years.

Mathis costs nothing to cut
Thrash would

Mathis only returns kicks (i believe)
Thrash also plays coverage

Mathis got injured recently
Thrash didn't.

I still see Thrash as our #3 reciever until a rookie or mix proves otherwise.
Should he be our #3....probably not...but #5 is probably where he belongs.
Not so with Mathis.

Bottom line....Mathis has crappy character....we should have never signed him in the first place....especially with a rookie head coach....I'm glad he's gone.
As of now....I don't think we have a single guy with character issues...I like that.
Gibbs had a great influence there....it was a great move to ditch this guy.

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[quote=skinsnut;448970]

Bottom line....Mathis has crappy character....we should have never signed him in the first place....especially with a rookie head coach....I'm glad he's gone.
As of now....I don't think we have a single guy with character issues...I like that.
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Great post, but for the sake of playing devils advocate you could argue that Fred Smoot has character concerns but he's been a model citizen ever since he came back. We also don't know how Kelly's character will shape up, but if anything if he ends up having character problems then they'll be more of the Chad Johnson variety as opposed to the Chris Henry variety.

Other then that I can't really think of anyone. Ironically the guy we cut for Mathis, Mapu was a pretty good Tackle at Tennessee with excellent character, I mean the guy took two years off from football to do a church mission. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him make the final roster.

Also as far as Thrash is concerned, Mix already supplanted him as the teams #3 receiver. He worked with the starters during mini-camp while everyone else (Kelly, Thomas, Thrash) worked with the second team. I mean it's probably just a way of getting Thomas and Kelly to earn their stripes, but if the depth chart was released today then Mix would be the #3 reciever.

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the skins were being nice and giving a local guy a shot after he had some "issues"

they expected to get CJ at that time.

since then, they drafted 3 pass catchers, at least one of which could be a good return guy too, so they didn't need a #6 WR after everything was said and done.

they kept thrash over him because he has tenure, he's been a stand up guy, and he works hard/helps others in practice and the weight room.

seriously, even thrash may not make it, since we'd probably line up davis/cooley as a wideout before him now... (moss/el/thomas/kelly/mix/cooley/davis). there's really no reason to keep more than 6 WRs, with possibly one more on the practice squad.

did i miss anything?

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to me, this draft isn't near as good as we think it is, if Thrash makes it. being a stand up guy can only keep you around so long. if Mix gets cut, it proves he cant play in this league

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So you cut the guy who (a) had the longest punt-return average in the league last year, as well as
(b) the first TD made by the WRs last year
because he's "over the hill"?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;448974]Great post, but for the sake of playing devils advocate [B]you could argue that Fred Smoot has character concerns[/B] but he's been a model citizen ever since he came back. We also don't know how Kelly's character will shape up, but if anything if he ends up having character problems then they'll be more of the Chad Johnson variety as opposed to the Chris Henry variety.

Other then that I can't really think of anyone. Ironically the guy we cut for Mathis, Mapu was a pretty good Tackle at Tennessee with excellent character, I mean the guy took two years off from football to do a church mission. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him make the final roster.

Also as far as Thrash is concerned, Mix already supplanted him as the teams #3 receiver. He worked with the starters during mini-camp while everyone else (Kelly, Thomas, Thrash) worked with the second team. I mean it's probably just a way of getting Thomas and Kelly to earn their stripes, but if the depth chart was released today then Mix would be the #3 reciever.[/quote]

I know you're just playing devil's advocate but just let me say I'd rather have a guy on my team that parties with strippers on boats rather than a guy who beats his pregnant wife.