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Now i know i made some dumb posts. But i think i have to really start thinking what i'm doing. Any ways i really believe that Clinton can explode this year.

If many didn't see the interview with Clinton Portis (3 days ) before our lil match with Seattle , he said he was forced to be a Joe Gibbs RB.

"Heres the interview''.

"Who is Clinton Portis"" thats what the video is called.
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Ever since hes been here ,he was force from being a 206-210 to a 223-225 pound RB. He didn't make alot of long runs and every year it decreased . Now i have to say their was good chances he could of made a big run but he never had the speed to do that.


But now that Gibbs is gone i herd some recent stuff that Portis is back at 210 and less. Now i don't know if thats really true but i have to say i really never belived that Portis could catch up with Laron Landry...and Landry ran on draft day ,as if it was Chad Johnson speed out their.


But after all this paragraph. Portis back to being super fast,WCO,healthy OL could =

1600 yards- 302 carriers- 14 TD
321 Catching yards-1 TD catch
Pro-bowl


FYI Jim Zorn has said that Portis will be an every down play making RB which means he'll see an avg of maybe 20 or more rushing yards.


Would love to see Portis hit alot of yards this year. Hes a caring guy and loves to be a Redskins. I think if he puts up good numbers like he has , he can probably become one of our best RB's ever or perhaps the best RB we ever had.

[SIZE="5"]*BTW predict his rushing season this year*[/SIZE]

HTTR hail to Clinton.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5i_2LIsWUs&feature=related]YouTube - Clinton Portis back when he was a stud pt 2[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBvSfY-gaF4]YouTube - Clinton Portis back when he was a stud[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IRlGF0w7I]YouTube - Clinton Portis Welcome to Washington.[/url]
PS: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3HxKULF284]YouTube - Clinton Portis - Redskins 2007[/url]

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I hope he does return to form. If we have that Broncos Portis then we can be the best rushing team in the league. Portis was doing it all in Denver. And if that's true that Portis is down to 210lbs, I think he'll have that type of year. Hopefully, Zorn wants to use him as he used Alexander back in 2005 (I think).

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we'll see. Im not sure if it's his speed, or his open field elusiveness that's the issue. Maybe his weight had something to do with that, but who knows...

I think we have a shot at seeing some explosiveness this year, moreso than last, though.

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[QUOTE=EternalEnigma21;450672]we'll see. Im not sure if it's his speed, or his open field elusiveness that's the issue. Maybe his weight had something to do with that, but who knows...

I think we have a shot at seeing some explosiveness this year, moreso than last, though.[/QUOTE]

He looked slower last year. But this year he shouldn't be as slow so hopefully he breaks a big long run for us this year.

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I've also seen him run right into tacklers, when they couldve been avoided in the secondary. a back as physical as he is should be able to break past a safety from time to time.

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Yeah, Portis has totally sucked ever since he came to Washington (SARCASM) :doh:

Yet another thread that makes a mockery of the tag line [I]"Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan"[/I]

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;450695]Yeah, Portis has totally sucked ever since he came to Washington (SARCASM) :doh:

Yet another thread that makes a mockery of the tag line [I]"Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan"[/I][/quote]

wow, im not sure anything here merited all that... thanks for your imput, though.

while i agree this isn't the "Thread of the Year", the running game in which portis thrived most was in denver, in a different scheme. I wasn't aware of the weight difference so i appreciated the read as a different take on our running game this coming year; focusing on the runner himself instead of just the change in offense.

sorry to have bothered you.

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I feel as if as Portis stays healthy, this scheme fits him much better. Something about the Gibbs system with portis seemed like shoving a round peg and a square hole. I love Portis, think he's a talented back. But we need to try to get him on the corner, and for christs sake -- the run game is now created with the passing game. Hopefully a WCO can help get the seemingly 32 people that were standing in the box every play to back out a bit.

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these off season threads are just too painful for me.

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[quote=skinsfan69;450701]these off season threads are just too painful for me.[/quote]

i'm with you.

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I believe the west coast blocking scheme (zone blocking) will benifit Portis' style of running. Atleast it did in Denver.

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As did playing against some of the suckiest defenses twice a year helped (oakland and KC, San Diego let Peterson run for nearly 300 yards last year)

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[QUOTE=bedlamVR;450736]As did playing against some of the suckiest defenses twice a year helped (oakland and KC, San Diego let Peterson run for nearly 300 yards last year)[/QUOTE]

Yea but really now Peterson was getting shutdown the last 3 games. Peterson had a year were every one saying 1600 yards but....they said that with Gore,LJ,Stevenson, but all never happend.


I think Portis well run all over any team if hes healthy, but every time i saw him the OL was the problem at first.

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I thought that I heard Zorn say the running scheme is going to be the same as it was last year.He is only changing the passing schemes.So if you expect Portis to come back to "form", it will come from his and the o-lines health and not a change in scheme.

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Honestly, as much as I would love to see it, I don't think your going to ever see a Clinton Portis that was as good as he was on the Broncos. I'm telling you, if he had stayed on the Broncos he would be on track for a HOF career. As much as I love him, the Skins kind of ruined his career.

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[quote=Cowell;450740]Honestly, as much as I would love to see it, I don't think your going to ever see a Clinton Portis that was as good as he was on the Broncos. I'm telling you, if he had stayed on the Broncos he would be on track for a HOF career. As much as I love him, the Skins kind of ruined his career.[/quote]

The Skins have ruined his career how so? Explain that one.

In 2004 when we trade for CP he was a 1300+ yard back his first year. The following season he was a 1500+ yard back.

In 2006 he had the injury bug 500+ yard back in less than half the season and thats respectful with all the injuries he had starting in game one of pre-season.

Last season 1262 yard back, with 389 yards receiving, with a patched up O-line and a four year older player since leaving denver. IMO I believe CP is a much more complete back now than he ever was in denver, he does a lot more for the offense than just run the ball. How many other RB's in this league can bring to the table what a healthy CP does? Not any IMO.

That to me is insane to think the Skins have ruined his career with a team that is well known for pounding the rock (Especially under Coach Gibbs). I think he is right on track to have another huge season with the run and being even more involved with the catch.

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Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.

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[quote=Daseal;450745]Skinsfan_nn -- you seem to equate running the ball with production. That isn't always the case. Portis had a much higher YPC in Denver than in DC. I also don't think he'll ever get back to his Denver form. Denver is the type of system that RBs thrive in.[/quote]

Why won't he thrive because the broncos run the WCO...? So do we now!

Well being he is a RB you should equate running the ball as production as that is his primary job function.

Why would that not be the case?

Furthermore, I'm looking at a bigger picture than just YPC as CP does alot more in the system we have been running the last 4 years. If you look at his overall production (not just YPC) the first two years here they where almost identical to his first two years in the league with Denver.

Of course there was a big drop off in 2006 due to injury. And he had a nice pickup in production last season coming off injuries from the year prior, even four years older than when we trade for him in 04.

Lets not forget what type of offense Denver runs.....the WCO. Which we will be running this season, CP is working harder than ever from what I have been seeing. I look for him to have a huge season with great overall production ( Could care less about his YPC ) but I look for CP to be back in 1500 yard form.

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One could easily argue that Portis has become a more complete back in Washington.

Still, I think he is better suited for a running game that plays to his strengths more. And that would be more zone blocking and less power plays.

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Heh -- your argument makes absolutely no sense. You're saying that his production in DC was the same as Denver in yards (TDs are down) but saying YPC doesn't matter. He's getting pummeled every game carrying the ball more.

Portis is the best blocking back in the NFL, he's a very good and well rounded back. I'm just trying to say that Denver seems to produce backs like crazy because of the Alex Gibbs blocking schemes (something I don't believe we're using seeing as we have a fairly large mauling type olinemen.

I think the WCO will help him and will be a far better fit than he was in Gibbs offense.

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[LEFT][quote=smoot27;450670], he can probably become one of our best RB's ever or perhaps the best RB we ever had.[/quote][/LEFT]

[LEFT]I think he is already the best RB we've ever had. Dosent he hold many of the Redskins rushing records?[/LEFT]

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The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers.

[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/collarpop.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/capslock.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=GMScud;450765]The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers.

[/quote]

Haha, I thought he put together a [I]somewhat[/I] relevant thread this time. I mean, after getting your thread-starting privileges revoked, you gotta at least try to go out on a positive note? ;)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;450769]Haha, I thought he put together a [I]somewhat[/I] relevant thread this time. I mean, after getting your thread-starting privileges revoked, you gotta at least try to go out on a positive note? ;)[/quote]

Well every thread he's started except this one has been locked, so I had to post it somewhere. :)

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Well he did start a Madden thread in the Madden forum, at least he knows where to post them, and besides that thread isn't half bad either.

I wouldn't really count this thread as well, I think this is a decent topic given we have a new WCO and that was what Portis was in while he was in Denver.

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CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.

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First off CP is only 26, he'll be 27 this fall but that's still not what I would call an old player. Second, he's only had 1 season where he missed significant time, so I don't see how that makes him injury prone.

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[QUOTE=irish;450791]CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.[/QUOTE]

Injury prone? He missed significant time [B]once [/B]in his career!

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[quote=VABCHSKINSFAN;450760]


[LEFT]I think he is already the best RB we've ever had. Dosent he hold many of the Redskins rushing records?[/LEFT]
[/quote]
Slow down there.....that's a pretty bold statement.

We've had some pretty good RBs here. Larry Brown, Riggins, Stephen Davis, Earnest Byner, Cliff Battles (way back in the day).

Portis hold the single season rushing record for a great 2005. However of the top 6 single season numbers, Stephen Davis holds three of those.

Riggins hold the single season TD record with 24, of the top 6 TD seasons, Riggo has 3.

The Redskins' career rushing leader is Riggo at 7472 yds., Larry Brown is second with 5875. Career TDs is Riggo w/79, second is Stephen Davis with 45.

Portis is also the career leader in Yds/Game. However, he's only played 55 games for us.

While in age he's in his prime at 27, his number of carries is that of an "older" back. He currently has over 1700 carries, averaging 285 / yr. That's a LOT. Plus as others have mentioned, in Gibbs' offense he has taken a pounding. I believe Portis will do well in the WCO, but I don't think he'll be productive past three years here. If he remains productive and we make it to the Superbowl he will be mentioned in the same sentence as Riggo. With Portis as the featured back, if we don't make it further than the conference championship, he will be remembered as on par with Davis & Brown.

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[quote=chrisl13;450671]I hope he does return to form. If we have that Broncos Portis then we can be the best rushing team in the league. Portis was doing it all in Denver. And if that's true that Portis is down to 210lbs, I think he'll have that type of year. Hopefully, Zorn wants to use him as he used Alexander back in 2005 (I think).[/quote]
Well Zorn was a QB coach and did not have any say in how Alexander was used back in 2005. I also think its tough to know at this point because we have know idea what kind of plays Zorn is going to use he is still working on the play book. I heard him say he was going to keep a good bit of the running plays we allready have so I'll wait and see.

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[IMG]http://svana.org/sjh/images/various/knuth_don_has_a_grammar.jpg[/IMG]

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I think WCO gets tossed around a whole lot without any real definition as to meaning. People use the term as if it means one single thing, when it is a general offensive philosophy that numerous coaches have added to over the years. I also think the magical quality this philosophy is imbued with is overdone. Moreover, from what I can gather about the San Francisco Walsh offense at least, it was predicated predominately on man blocking rather than zone blocking with lots of cut backs. So people are making Denver stand-in for the 'WCO' when it is really the Shannahan variation on the offense. What you mean really is lots of stretch plays and cut blocking allowing the runner to find his hole and cut back if the lane is there. Does this correlate to what Seattle does (Zorn) or Tennessee (Smith)? Basically, why are we even talking about Denver's offense when that is not what the Redskins will be running? We don't really know what the offense will look like, and basically people throw around WCO without really defining (or knowing) what they mean by the term.

I also don't particularly like Paul Zimmerman, but I do like how he points out that the very term WCO is a misnomer since the term itself derives (apparently) from a quotation from Bernie Kosar that referred to the San Diego offensive tree that ran through guys like Norv Turner, Ernie Zampese, Joe Gibbs, Don Coryell, and Sid Gillman, and was only applied to Walsh through later misquotation of that story by some other writer(s). Anyway, I just like that, though 'West Coast Offense' obviously has become synonomous with the Walsh offense.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/]CNN/SI - Inside Game - Dr. Z - SI's Dr. Z: The real West Coast offense - Friday October 29, 1999 07:19 PM[/url]


Other useful quotations from another guy I don't love, but these points speak to my point above.

"Indeed, the West Coast offense that Walsh created has seen more spinoffs than "Happy Days," which spawned an entire subset of sitcoms. Even in a league where coaches insist there is nothing new under the sun, the West Coast scheme is arguably the most bastardized offense of the modern game, a blueprint smudged by years of alteration."

"Gruden prefers an I-formation or a one-back set to the standard split backfield that Walsh used and also relies on zone-blocking. In the classic West Coast offense, the blocking was primarily man-to-man, and the staple rushing play was the sweep."

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html]ESPN.com: NFL - All roads lead to Walsh ... sort of[/url]

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;450827]I think WCO gets tossed around a whole lot without any real definition as to meaning. People use the term as if it means one single thing, when it is a general offensive philosophy that numerous coaches have added to over the years. I also think the magical quality this philosophy is imbued with is overdone. Moreover, from what I can gather about the San Francisco Walsh offense at least, it was predicated predominately on man blocking rather than zone blocking with lots of cut backs. So people are making Denver stand-in for the 'WCO' when it is really the Shannahan variation on the offense. What you mean really is lots of stretch plays and cut blocking allowing the runner to find his hole and cut back if the lane is there. Does this correlate to what Seattle does (Zorn) or Tennessee (Smith)? [B]Basically, why are we even talking about Denver's offense when that is not what the Redskins will be running?[/B] We don't really know what the offense will look like, and basically people throw around WCO without really defining (or knowing) what they mean by the term.

I also don't particularly like Paul Zimmerman, but I do like how he points out that the very term WCO is a misnomer since the term itself derives (apparently) from a quotation from Bernie Kosar that referred to the San Diego offensive tree that ran through guys like Norv Turner, Ernie Zampese, Joe Gibbs, Don Coryell, and Sid Gillman, and was only applied to Walsh through later misquotation of that story by some other writer(s). Anyway, I just like that, though 'West Coast Offense' obviously has become synonomous with the Walsh offense.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/"]CNN/SI - Inside Game - Dr. Z - SI's Dr. Z: The real West Coast offense - Friday October 29, 1999 07:19 PM[/URL]


Other useful quotations from another guy I don't love, but these points speak to my point above.

"Indeed, the West Coast offense that Walsh created has seen more spinoffs than "Happy Days," which spawned an entire subset of sitcoms. Even in a league where coaches insist there is nothing new under the sun, the West Coast scheme is arguably the most bastardized offense of the modern game, a blueprint smudged by years of alteration."

"Gruden prefers an I-formation or a one-back set to the standard split backfield that Walsh used and also relies on zone-blocking. In the classic West Coast offense, the blocking was primarily man-to-man, and the staple rushing play was the sweep."

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html"]ESPN.com: NFL - All roads lead to Walsh ... sort of[/URL][/quote]

I think the basic point being raised is will Portis be used more as he was in Denver vs. the power based schemes used under Gibbs.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;450827]I think WCO gets tossed around a whole lot without any real definition as to meaning. People use the term as if it means one single thing, when it is a general offensive philosophy that numerous coaches have added to over the years. I also think the magical quality this philosophy is imbued with is overdone. Moreover, from what I can gather about the San Francisco Walsh offense at least, it was predicated predominately on man blocking rather than zone blocking with lots of cut backs. So people are making Denver stand-in for the 'WCO' when it is really the Shannahan variation on the offense. What you mean really is lots of stretch plays and cut blocking allowing the runner to find his hole and cut back if the lane is there. Does this correlate to what Seattle does (Zorn) or Tennessee (Smith)? Basically, why are we even talking about Denver's offense when that is not what the Redskins will be running? We don't really know what the offense will look like, and basically people throw around WCO without really defining (or knowing) what they mean by the term.

I also don't particularly like Paul Zimmerman, but I do like how he points out that the very term WCO is a misnomer since the term itself derives (apparently) from a quotation from Bernie Kosar that referred to the San Diego offensive tree that ran through guys like Norv Turner, Ernie Zampese, Joe Gibbs, Don Coryell, and Sid Gillman, and was only applied to Walsh through later misquotation of that story by some other writer(s). Anyway, I just like that, though 'West Coast Offense' obviously has become synonomous with the Walsh offense.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/"]CNN/SI - Inside Game - Dr. Z - SI's Dr. Z: The real West Coast offense - Friday October 29, 1999 07:19 PM[/URL]


Other useful quotations from another guy I don't love, but these points speak to my point above.

"Indeed, the West Coast offense that Walsh created has seen more spinoffs than "Happy Days," which spawned an entire subset of sitcoms. Even in a league where coaches insist there is nothing new under the sun, the West Coast scheme is arguably the most bastardized offense of the modern game, a blueprint smudged by years of alteration."

"Gruden prefers an I-formation or a one-back set to the standard split backfield that Walsh used and also relies on zone-blocking. In the classic West Coast offense, the blocking was primarily man-to-man, and the staple rushing play was the sweep."

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html"]ESPN.com: NFL - All roads lead to Walsh ... sort of[/URL][/quote]

Excellent post, I agree.

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[quote=Mattyk72;450833]I think the basic point being raised is will Portis be used more as he was in Denver vs. the power based schemes used under Gibbs.[/quote]

Right, and the basic point I'm raising is whether there is any real basis to say that the running game under Zorn will have any relationship to the running game deployed in Denver. The connection seems tenuous at best since we really don't know what the offense will look like and the only real connection comes through a misappropriation of the term 'West Coast Offense' when what you are talking about in Denver is a zone blocking scheme with lots of stretches and qb boots. From what I can gather the true Walsh WCO didn't even deploy zone blocking. So the question I'm asking is how we get from Zorn's offense to Denver's offense. Is there any basis for this linkage beyond an overuse of the term 'West Coast offense'?

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Blocking schemes were discussed here in 06 & I remember reading a wash post article about how when Saunders convinced Bugel to teach his guys zone/cut blocking, our run game took off w/Betts (since CP was injured).

so we have already used the same blocking technique as Denver to some degree. In addition, Portis likes to run inside. It is a misconception that because he's small he likes to run tosses outside. Look at his big runs in Denver, a lot of them were simply huge holes up the middle.

Their line was great then, but look at their run game since. It's not bad, but they haven't had a dominant running game for a few years. If CP was still there he'd be going through some tough years & people would be saying; can he get back to his form of the first 2 years?

I believe the substantial difference w/Zorn & the new O. will be the willingness to take more chances & give the O. a new personality in doing so. If JC is on his game the way he should be, Portis will have a great year. We also need the O line to stay healthy too. You can't expect any great back to do too much running behind Fabini & Heyer. Those guys did well all things considered, but they couldn't start on most nfl teams.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;450846]Right, and the basic point I'm raising is whether there is any real basis to say that the running game under Zorn will have any relationship to the running game deployed in Denver. The connection seems tenuous at best since we really don't know what the offense will look like and the only real connection comes through a misappropriation of the term 'West Coast Offense' when what you are talking about in Denver is a zone blocking scheme with lots of stretches and qb boots. From what I can gather the true Walsh WCO didn't even deploy zone blocking. So the question I'm asking is how we get from Zorn's offense to Denver's offense. Is there any basis for this linkage beyond an overuse of the term 'West Coast offense'?[/quote]

I'm guessing the assumption is Zorn's offense will be more wide open thus giving CP the chance to be more explosive as he was in Denver.

I agree there's no direct correlation to this offense and Denver's.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;450795]First off CP is only 26, he'll be 27 this fall but that's still not what I would call an old player. Second, he's only had 1 season where he missed significant time, so I don't see how that makes him injury prone.[/QUOTE]

27 isnt young for a RB. He only missed significant time once but now he always has something bothering him and he doesnt seem to play more than 2 plays in a row without needing a blow. I see Barber and Addai playing play after play but when I watch CP he makes 1 or 2 runs and heads to the sideline. CP will still be productive but his days as a beast are past.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;450846]Right, and the basic point I'm raising is whether there is any real basis to say that the running game under Zorn will have any relationship to the running game deployed in Denver. The connection seems tenuous at best since we really don't know what the offense will look like and the only real connection comes through a misappropriation of the term 'West Coast Offense' when what you are talking about in Denver is a zone blocking scheme with lots of stretches and qb boots. From what I can gather the true Walsh WCO didn't even deploy zone blocking. So the question I'm asking is how we get from Zorn's offense to Denver's offense. Is there any basis for this linkage beyond an overuse of the term 'West Coast offense'?[/quote]
Your earlier post was very good BTW.

I agree with you, I think the comparisons between our offense and Denver's offense aren't really valid. If we want to look at what we'll be running I believe it will be very similar to Seattle's offense, or Green Bay's when Holgren was there. The Zone Blocking scheme will probably not be used, as Holgren's version of "WCO" or rather "Walsh offense" :) is closer to the original than Denver's.

Here's an interesting article from 2004 on the production of the Seattle offense.

[URL="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/199148_hawk11.html"]NFL almanac says this is time of year for Seattle's offense[/URL]

If form holds true, and I don't see why it wouldn't barring major injury issues, we should have another strong Nov./Dec., but may struggle early as the players adjust to the speed and timing of the new system.

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[QUOTE=irish;450855]27 isnt young for a RB. He only missed significant time once but now he always has something bothering him and he doesnt seem to play more than 2 plays in a row without needing a blow. I see Barber and Addai playing play after play but when I watch CP he makes 1 or 2 runs and heads to the sideline. CP will still be productive but his days as a beast are past.[/QUOTE]

Is this some sort of joke? Barber, assuming you're talking about Marion, has started only three games in the past four years (or something like that)

Addai had 261 carries last year for a 4.1 ypc average. Portis had 325 carries last year with hardly any drop-off in ypc (3.9) versus Addai. Portis also had more receptions and receiving yards than Addai-47 catches, 389 yards vs 41 catches, 364 yards. Each had 8 games of 20+ carries, though two of Portis' were actually 30+ carries.

I think Addai is a very good running back, but you're making a mistake if you use him in an argument against Portis.