Stuart Schweigert a Redskin
 

Diehard88 did beat me to this one, but I thought it deserved its own thread.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/06/skins_sign_stuart_schweigert.html]Skins Sign Stuart Schweigert - Redskins Insider[/url]

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Sounds like a decent signing.

Comment: Schweigert has excellent size for the position and enough speed to be effective covering the deep half of the field. He has some straight-line to him in that he does not redirect or change directions well and and can overrun plays when he comes in out of control. He has very good recognition skills and is very quick to pull the trigger. He does a good job of reading the quarterback and appears to have good route recognition, allowing him to get a good jump on the ball from deep zone. He can struggle when forced to lock up with a tight end or running back in man coverage. He can be an explosive hitter when he has time to build up momentum but is a bit stiff in the hips and not naturally explosive in a small area. He tends to come out of his pedal in stages and builds to speed when closing on the ball. While Schweigert is not special as a safety he is a blue-collar type and more than adequate.

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/players/scouting?statsId=6826]ESPN - Stuart Schweigert Stats, News, Photos - Oakland Raiders - NFL Football[/url]

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I got my wish. Yeah!

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As long as we keep him closer to the line than Landry plays, we aren't going to see any of the painful angles he took on tackle "attempts" in Oakland last year. He's a better cover guy than Doughty is, but Reed is stronger against the run.

It should be a fun training camp battle.

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I think Vernon Fox is history. Also, Schweigert is superfast, he ran a 4.47 forty at the combine. Same year as Sean, and he ran it faster than Sean.

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Also, Chris Horton is probably not going to make the team. How impressed can the team be with him to add two safeties in four days?

Or perhaps Vernon Fox is gone? I mean Schweigert kinda solves the need for veteran influence at safety.

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[quote=GTripp0012;450841]Also, Chris Horton is probably not going to make the team. How impressed can the team be with him to add two safeties in four days?

Or perhaps Vernon Fox is gone? I mean Schweigert kinda solves the need for veteran influence at safety.[/quote]
I think Horton will make it. Last year they kept five safties and four corners. Of course Prielou was often used as a nickel corner.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;450843]I think Horton will make it. Last year they kept five safties and four corners. Of course Prielou was often used as a nickel corner.[/quote]

GW liked safeties that he could play in the nickel packages and all those guys can play special teams. It will be interesting to see if Blache wants to keep as many safeties on the roster as GW did. It appears he does, or they're just worried about that position & looking to make competition as tough as possible.

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[quote=freddyg12;450844]GW liked safeties that he could play in the nickel packages and all those guys can play special teams. It will be interesting to see if Blache wants to keep as many safeties on the roster as GW did. It appears he does, or they're just worried about that position & looking to make competition as tough as possible.[/quote]
After thinking about it, I think we will keep five corners this year. Tryon, Torrence, Springs, Rogers, and Smoot. If Rogers is on the PUP list, we probably keep 5 safties till Rogers is ready. Barring anyone comes up injured, which if they like Horton he probably will. He also could end up on the practice squad.

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yo you guys and gals gotta check out this FUNNY ASS video of schweigert on youtube (not football related, a spoof video made by him and some buddies).

search "schweigert" "king" "cornhole" on youtube and if someone internet inclined could post a link that would be great.

trust me its worth checking out, "dude your genitals are around his head . . . you pervert" . . hahaha very funny and well done.

go skins!!

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Maybe the saftey we should be concerned about is Laron "What Autograph Signing?" Landry.

[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/06/ota_update.html"]OTA Update - Redskins Insider[/URL]
"Defensive back Shawn Springs and LaRon Landry, who have not been participating in most of the team's offseason programs, are not present for the first of eight OTA sessions. Springs trains in Arizona, and did not take part in most of last year's offseason programs, while Landry, a second-year safety, has drawn some raised eyebrows around Redskins Park with his absence this spring."

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;450852]Maybe the saftey we should be concerned about is Laron "What Autograph Signing?" Landry.

[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/06/ota_update.html"]OTA Update - Redskins Insider[/URL]
"Defensive back Shawn Springs and LaRon Landry, who have not been participating in most of the team's offseason programs, are not present for the first of eight OTA sessions. Springs trains in Arizona, and did not take part in most of last year's offseason programs, while Landry, a second-year safety, has drawn some raised eyebrows around Redskins Park with his absence this spring."[/quote]

Please stop, that would be making something out of absolutely nothing. The kid is probably choosing to work out on his own just like Springs does.

Did you see him in the race video with Clinton Portis? Landry certainly looks in shape to me, he looked absolutely chiseled. Not to mention fast as hell.

Landry's going to have a huge year, he's definitely nothing to worry about.

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Stuart Schweigert is a decent signing, he is a marginal upgrade over Doughty. I think we will end up keeping five safeties on the roster this year, those being: LaRon Landy, Stuart Schweigert, Reed Doughty, Chris Horton, and Kareem Moore. Vernon Fox, Justin Hamilton, and Patrick Ghee are most likely goners.

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This guy stinks. I remember him in Oak getting toasted many many times.

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Everything I've heard about this guy hasn't been good so far. I hope he's able to contribute and make the team, but if he gets cut I won't be crying for him.

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[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/24797-Oakland-Raiders-Fans-Should-Stop-Hating-on-Stuart-Schweigert-220508"]Oakland Raiders Fans Should Stop Hating on Stuart Schweigert | Bleacher Report[/URL]

[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/25067-Oakland-Raiders-Stuart-Schweigert-Speaks-Out-About-His-Release-230508"]Oakland Raiders: Stuart Schweigert Speaks Out About His Release | Bleacher Report[/URL]

Here are two articals I found that make him sound potentially really promissing. The second one is him defending himself, and talks about the "cover 0", which i had never heard of before today. Also read somethings about how hes a more natural SS, which is what I guess he will be used as here. Sounds like either way hell be at least very good depth, and will allow us to drop Fox, allowing us to still have good experience at safey and get us younger and bigger too.

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[quote=Schneed10;450856]Please stop, that would be making something out of absolutely nothing. The kid is probably choosing to work out on his own just like Springs does.

Did you see him in the race video with Clinton Portis? Landry certainly looks in shape to me, he looked absolutely chiseled. Not to mention fast as hell.

Landry's going to have a huge year, he's definitely nothing to worry about.[/quote]

Well I'm certainly not questioning Landry's athleticism or his "chiseled"-ness. However, I think skipping OTAs as a second year player with a new coaching staff is indicative that Landry's maturity might not be keeping up with his athletic ability. It's certainly his choice since OTAs are not mandatory, but from what the WaPo says Zorn was less than impressed with the decision. I might also point out that it is a decision that fits with what we know of Landry so far. He is a great athlete on the field and made some plays that other guys could not, but he also displayed a lack of discipline in games against Arizona, Chicago, New York Jets, and New York Giants with late hits and taughting penalties (against Plaxico Burress) that were unnecessary and extended opponents drives. He's also skipped out on much of the offseason workout routine and has routinely blown off committments he has made at autograph signings. It just seems to speak to a bit of a pattern that would indicate to me he still has some growing up to do and that he might be thinking of himself as a superstar player just a tad bit earlier than he should.

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He was a 3rd round pick, he's only 26, and started all of 2006 and most of 2007 until he got hurt. And Oakland has had a solid D the last few years. I see no reason why he can't press Doughty for a chance as a starter.

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has anyone checked out that "schweigert cornhole" video on youtube yet? sorry to be buggin on it just want to see your alls opinion

go skins!

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Guys guys! Stuart's projected to be a backup. This risk hear r vury low n da raward iz vury high.

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you saden me dirtbag . . . just for that "we should only sign travis henry for the vet minimum!" (jokes)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;450951]Guys guys! Stuart's projected to be a backup. This risk hear r vury low n da raward iz vury high.[/quote]

For some reason I can't edit post after I leave a thread, but oh well.

Anyway after scanning the message boards and the comments on RI the fanbase is desperate to secretly replace Doughty and personally I'm starting to think the main reason is because he's not Sean Taylor. Usually when I hear fans saying "oh so and so is going to push guy b" it usually means they want so and so to replace guy b without actually saying it outright.

Personally it's annoying, but in looking into this move, the best comparison would probably be Peirson Preilou. For now Schweigert will be the main backup safety while the team waits for Kareem Moore to develop. On the other hand it looks like Scott and Horton won't make the final cut, but I'm pretty sure the team is intent on keeping Moore.

On second thought injuries to Moore will give Horton a pretty good chance of making the team.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;450955]For some reason I can't edit post after I leave a thread, but oh well.

Anyway after scanning the message boards and the comments on RI the fanbase is desperate to secretly replace Doughty and personally I'm starting to think the main reason is because he's not Sean Taylor. Usually when I hear fans saying "oh so and so is going to push guy b" it usually means they want so and so to replace guy b without actually saying it outright.

Personally it's annoying, but in looking into this move, the best comparison would probably be Peirson Preilou. For now Schweigert will be the main backup safety while the team waits for Kareem Moore to develop. On the other hand it looks like Scott and Horton won't make the final cut, but I'm pretty sure the team is intent on keeping Moore.[/quote]
Justin Scott was released about three weeks ago. IMO Schweigert is going to be our starting FS, and Landry is going to move back to SS. Doughty is more of a SS and if it's true that Landry is moving back to SS, than Doughty is going to be his backup because I don't Doughty has the skill set to be a FS. So what I am looking at for the safety position this season is: Landry/Doughty at SS, Schweigert/Moore at FS, and either Horton or Fox making the cut as the fifth safety.

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This is a solid move. I think we are really shoring up the safety position with quality depth. I believe Stuart Scheweigert will be a strong contender for a starting role at FS.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;450962]This is a solid move. I think we are really shoring up the safety position with quality depth. I believe Stuart Scheweigert will be a strong contender for a starting role at FS.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I believe he is going to be the starter come opening day. He has the experience and I believe he has the skills. Especially if they are moving Landry back to SS, I think he is the best qualified on our roster to play FS.

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I dont know about this guy specifically...but I aint suprised that they brought in a safety with NFL experience..it is very likely he will be our 2nd or 3 safety at worst.
And that...my friends, said a lot about our thin experience at safety.

Now all we need is depth with a starting quality OLB and I think we'll be good to start the season.
I wouldn't mind a starting quality DT too.

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Anybody know contract terms?
or at least duration?

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[quote=RMSkins;450957]Justin Scott was released about three weeks ago. IMO Schweigert is going to be our starting FS, and [B]Landry is going to move back to SS[/B]. Doughty is more of a SS and if it's true that Landry is moving back to SS, than Doughty is going to be his backup because I don't Doughty has the skill set to be a FS. So what I am looking at for the safety position this season is: Landry/Doughty at SS, Schweigert/Moore at FS, and either Horton or Fox making the cut as the fifth safety.[/quote]

I hope that is not the case.. From what I have seen last few Redskins games when Landry moved to FS - he flourished greatly.. He was free to move around, able to hit and put fear in receivers.. Not only he was able to roam the field but he also showed that he have the ability to be ballhawk.. I certainly hope Landry will stay as FS..

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[quote=GridIron26;450970]I hope that is not the case.. From what I have seen last few Redskins games when Landry moved to FS - he flourished greatly.. He was free to move around, able to hit and put fear in receivers.. Not only he was able to roam the field but he also showed that he have the ability to be ballhawk.. I certainly hope Landry will stay as FS..[/quote]

I also like the way LL handled the FS duties after the passing of Sean. I did go back and watch the Redskins OTA players video clip from today and it appears that Stuart Scheweigert has at least been told he will compete for the FS position. He mentioned that he was under the understanding that LL had the SS position covered......

Either way LL is fine in either Safety role. But I sure do think he came on strong at the end of last season as the ball hawk, hard hitting, closing ground quickly (mini ST in the backfield) FS.

I guess we shall have to stay tuned to this one.[B][/B]

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[quote=GridIron26;450970]I hope that is not the case.. From what I have seen last few Redskins games when Landry moved to FS - he flourished greatly.. He was free to move around, able to hit and put fear in receivers.. Not only he was able to roam the field but he also showed that he have the ability to be ballhawk.. I certainly hope Landry will stay as FS..[/quote]
I agree Landry did excel at FS, but he excelled at SS as well. You have to remember we drafted Landry to be a SS. He definitely has the skill set to excel at either position, so to our benefit it doesn't really matter where we put him. At SS we can use Landry to blitz more often, which is his strong-suit, IMO moving Landry back to SS won't change his ballhawking or hitting ability very much, as you might remember Landry had plenty of nice hits, and plenty of opportunites to intercept passes when he played SS last year. To me it breaks down like this: If Doughty is going to start Landry will be at FS, if Schweigert is going to start Landry will be at SS. Like I said earlier I don't think it matters what safety position Landry is playing at, he's still going to be able to perform as a Pro Bowl caliber player.

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;450979] To me it breaks down like this: If Doughty is going to start Landry will be at FS, if Schweigert is going to start Landry will be at SS. Like I said earlier I don't think it matters what safety position Landry is playing at, he's still going to be able to perform as a Pro Bowl caliber player.[/QUOTE]

I think you nailed it

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[quote=Cowell;450964]Honestly I believe he is going to be the starter come opening day. He has the experience and I believe he has the skills. Especially if they are moving Landry back to SS, I think he is the best qualified on our roster to play FS.[/quote]Everyone's quick to pencil him in at FS, when he (Schweigert) thinks he's best used at SS. I think Landry played very solidly at the FS spot. But probably gives us the best backup swingman if Landry gets hurt. Fox is on the small side but, I cannot forget how well he played against CAR two seasons ago. He'll find work the day he's let go.

Sean Taylor was one of a kind.

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[quote=EXoffender;450982]Everyone's quick to pencil him in at FS, when he (Schweigert) thinks he's best used at SS. I think Landry played very solidly at the FS spot. But probably gives us the best backup swingman if Landry gets hurt. Fox is on the small side but, I cannot forget how well he played against CAR two seasons ago. He'll find work the day he's let go.

Sean Taylor was one of a kind.[/quote]

When he ( Scheweigert ) thinks hes best used as SS...? Hes a FS and thats what he wants a chance to compete at.

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Scheweigert will be at FS. Landry at SS

[B]Bet on it[/B]

RIP ST 21

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[quote=vallin21;450989]Scheweigert will be at FS. Landry at SS

[B]Bet on it[/B]

RIP ST 21[/quote]

I am exstatic that we signed this guy, but he will not start. Landry played pro bowl football at FS. Doughty played very smart solid football. Doughty was never out of position, and played great. Moving Landry back to SS will be taking a step backward. If Landry or Doughty gets hurt, then we move Landry to SS or let Schweigert play FS, along with Doughty. Thats how I see it.

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Personally I think Schweigert is a huge upgrade over Doughty.

This definetly replaces/ or gives competition for Doughty at SS or FS

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Man, no love for Doughty at all? What did he do wrong last year? I don't mind Stuart being a Redskin, but to me the thought that Doughty's going to just be upended by Schweigert is baffaling.

I hate being put into a corner like this, as I felt the same way when Mix mania was at it's peak and I had to argue against Mix making an impact, despite the fact I kind of liked him, I just didn't like him THAT much.

I do feel that Reed is going to be a starter this year and he's going to do just what he did last year, and thats play solid, mistake free, hard nosed football. Personally I liked Landry a lot better at FS anyway, as I saw it as the more ground Landry gets to cover the more plays he'll get in on, but thats up to the coaching staff. Plus if you look at Landry's highlight tapes, most of the highlights seemed to come when he played FS, of course the problem with that argument is he had more NFL experience when he was moved to FS then when he played at SS (follow?).

Anyway I feel that after training camp the Reed-Landry combo will be used more then the Schwiegert-Landry combo though both will probably be used throughout the year especially if matchups dictate that we have a huge advantage playing Landry at SS for a particular game, but I still think that we're going to see more Landry at FS and Reed playing SS.

Actually you know what? Fuck it. Schwiegert starts at FS, Doughty starts at SS. Landry can come off the bench in Nickle situations.

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[quote=RMSkins;450957]Justin Scott was released about three weeks ago. IMO Schweigert is going to be our starting FS, and Landry is going to move back to SS. Doughty is more of a SS and if it's true that Landry is moving back to SS, than Doughty is going to be his backup because I don't Doughty has the skill set to be a FS. So what I am looking at for the safety position this season is: Landry/Doughty at SS, Schweigert/Moore at FS, and either Horton or Fox making the cut as the fifth safety.[/quote]Schweigert [I]might[/I], and I stress might, have the range to be a cover two safety, but he does not have the range to play the cover one type safety that Landry plays. Stu will compete for Doughty's SS spot, but that's his upside. He's a good second safety, but not nearly good enough to make him the guy at free.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;451001]Man, no love for Doughty at all? What did he do wrong last year? I don't mind Stuart being a Redskin, but to me the thought that Doughty's going to just be upended by Schweigert is baffaling.

I hate being put into a corner like this, as I felt the same way when Mix mania was at it's peak and I had to argue against Mix making an impact, despite the fact I kind of liked him, I just didn't like him THAT much.

I do feel that Reed is going to be a starter this year and he's going to do just what he did last year, and thats play solid, mistake free, hard nosed football. Personally I liked Landry a lot better at FS anyway, as I saw it as the more ground Landry gets to cover the more plays he'll get in on, but thats up to the coaching staff. Plus if you look at Landry's highlight tapes, most of the highlights seemed to come when he played FS, of course the problem with that argument is he had more NFL experience when he was moved to FS then when he played at SS (follow?).

Anyway I feel that after training camp the Reed-Landry combo will be used more then the Schwiegert-Landry combo though both will probably be used throughout the year especially if matchups dictate that we have a huge advantage playing Landry at SS for a particular game, but I still think that we're going to see more Landry at FS and Reed playing SS.

Actually you know what? Fuck it. Schwiegert starts at FS, Doughty starts at SS. Landry can come off the bench in Nickle situations.[/quote]I still think Doughty is going to start. He's going to have to improve to keep his spot though, and after all, that is the idea here.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;451001]Man, no love for Doughty at all? What did he do wrong last year? I don't mind Stuart being a Redskin, but to me the thought that Doughty's going to just be upended by Schweigert is baffaling.

I hate being put into a corner like this, as I felt the same way when Mix mania was at it's peak and I had to argue against Mix making an impact, despite the fact I kind of liked him, I just didn't like him THAT much.

I do feel that Reed is going to be a starter this year and he's going to do just what he did last year, and thats play solid, mistake free, hard nosed football. Personally I liked Landry a lot better at FS anyway, as I saw it as the more ground Landry gets to cover the more plays he'll get in on, but thats up to the coaching staff. Plus if you look at Landry's highlight tapes, most of the highlights seemed to come when he played FS, of course the problem with that argument is he had more NFL experience when he was moved to FS then when he played at SS (follow?).

Anyway I feel that after training camp the Reed-Landry combo will be used more then the Schwiegert-Landry combo though both will probably be used throughout the year especially if matchups dictate that we have a huge advantage playing Landry at SS for a particular game, but I still think that we're going to see more Landry at FS and Reed playing SS.

Actually you know what? Fuck it. Schwiegert starts at FS, Doughty starts at SS. Landry can come off the bench in Nickle situations.[/quote]

Well darn dirtbag, tell us how you really fell. I hate seeing you backed in a corner like that and all.

But arigato for the commentary......:)