Vinny Cerrato Says Marcus Mason Will Have A Great Preseason
 

Vinny Cerrato said that he thinks Marcus Mason will have a great preseason and cause some very tough decisions. You know that Portis and Betts are locks, so that leaves Cartright. I cant see them cutting Cartright no matter how good he looks, because of his return ability. I will be interesting to see how they handle that dilemma.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;451591]Vinny Cerrato said that he thinks Marcus Mason will have a great preseason and cause some very tough decisions. You know that Portis and Betts are locks, so that leaves Cartright. I cant see them cutting Cartright no matter how good he looks, because of his return ability. I will be interesting to see how they handle that dilemma.[/quote]

Link?

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You have to listen to redskins radio show today. It is available in the audio archives. He comes on every Thursday and is very candid and answers almost everything.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;451597]You have to listen to redskins radio show today. It is available in the audio archives. He comes on every Thursday and is very candid and answers almost everything.[/quote]

Well I hope Vinny's right. Marucs and I went to the same high school (never knew him, I'm 6 years older), he's a Maryland native, and #1 in nearly every single state high school rushing statistic. I'd love to see him make a statement. If he outplays Rock, good for him.

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I love Rock, he's a team leader despite limited playing time, he's a good returner and he's made the most of the few opportunities he's had to carry the ball. But Betts is a solid kick returner, as is Thomas. But, Portis, Betts, and Rock are all about the same age and I wouldn't mind seeing some young blood enter our RB corps. So, I would not be the least bit surprised if Rock is cut and Mason takes his spot.

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Mason over Rock?

No way.

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Great preseason? Interesting comment. That doesn't always amount to much, if anything. Will he have a better preseason than Sultan McCullough? Will he join the Redskins preseason HOF alongside Babe Laufenberg?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;451616]Mason over Rock?

No way.[/QUOTE]

agreed.

i'd much rather see mason have a strong pre-season and generate some trade value. then we can unload him on an rb needy team for a back-up center or something else we actually need.

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Even if Mason has an outstanding preseason he's not going to have any trade value. Backup RBs are a dime a dozen.

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Unless Portis, Betts & Rock all get hurt I can't see Mason on anything but the practice squad again

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[quote=Mattyk72;451616]Mason over Rock?

No way.[/quote]

Why not? However I don't think Skins would actually release Rock cuz of his leadership and experience.. But I think Mason can jump over Rock for #3 RB..

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I think this will be a very interesting battle. I like both Marcus and Rock so we'll see, let the better player win.

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I really like Marcus Mason -- I'm really not opposed to dealing Betts if we can get something in return.

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Cut Frost, free up an extra spot. :D

Maybe our new punter can kick FGs too.

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[quote=GridIron26;451654]Why not? However I don't think Skins would actually release Rock cuz of his leadership and experience.. But I think Mason can jump over Rock for #3 RB..[/quote]

Danny Smith is a big Rock guy, so unless someone else beats him out as a return man I can't see Rock getting cut.

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I was impressed with Mason last year. He really had some decent runs in the limited action that I saw of him.

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I'll start off by saying I like all our RB's, but.....Portis is our man. Unless he gets injured he's #1. Both Betts and Rock have their issues. I know I'll get slammed for this but Betts is known for Ummmm.....dropping the ball at the most in opportune time. I'm not saying he can't carry a team but expect atleast one fumble when you least need him to.

Rock is no better. He has the tendency to fumble at the worst time also. Which is why both were relegated to kick returner. Either one delt in a trade for something we need would not bother me. Now you will ask am I a Marcus fan....yes. I like the kid and his speed. He is someone we could develope to take over for Portis in a few yrs. He's young, he's shifty, he's fast, because he is young he has the time to be developed. Unlike the other two who will always remain second fiddle to Portis and then be just as old as Portis when he decides to retire or when team decides he's slowing down and can't get the job done.

Who knows what the team has in store. but I would not be trading Mason for something in return when you have two other RB's who would get better trade value due to being vets. Don't need to be developed. Can make a mediochre (sp) team better and even be a better back up to what they may already have if not the starter which I'm sure they would rather be but for Portis.

Ok......slam me.

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[quote=Mattyk72;451672]Danny Smith is a big Rock guy, so unless someone else beats him out as a return man I can't see Rock getting cut.[/quote]

Right, as I said that I DON'T think Redskins will cut him.. However, speaking of the place of #3 RB, I think Mason can take that spot..

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[quote=GridIron26;451681]Right, as I said that I DON'T think Redskins will cut him.. However, speaking of the place of #3 RB, I think Mason can take that spot..[/quote]

So... you think we'll keep 4 RB's on the active roster?? That's not going to happen.

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[quote=Mattyk72;451683]So... you think we'll keep 4 RB's on the active roster?? That's not going to happen.[/quote]

My guess would be that the same thing that happened last yr will happen this yr. He will be put on the practice squad. I just hope no one observes him and he doesn't get picked up by another team. I'm not sure what Cerrato was thinking when he said what he must have said but I would rather see Rock traded vs Mason. We have several people on the team who technically can return balls. It seemed that this yr they went over board on the who can do their job and return kicks. It kinda makes Rock expendable. Unless none of the others are good at the job. Like Randel El. Although he can I would not put my heart and soul in his returns. He's more East/West then North/South.

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[quote=SBXVII;451680]I'll start off by saying I like all our RB's, but.....Portis is our man. Unless he gets injured he's #1. Both Betts and Rock have their issues. I know I'll get slammed for this but Betts is known for Ummmm.....dropping the ball at the most in opportune time. I'm not saying he can't carry a team but expect atleast one fumble when you least need him to.

Rock is no better. He has the tendency to fumble at the worst time also. Which is why both were relegated to kick returner. Either one delt in a trade for something we need would not bother me. Now you will ask am I a Marcus fan....yes. I like the kid and his speed. He is someone we could develope to take over for Portis in a few yrs. He's young, he's shifty, he's fast, because he is young he has the time to be developed. Unlike the other two who will always remain second fiddle to Portis and then be just as old as Portis when he decides to retire or when team decides he's slowing down and can't get the job done.

Who knows what the team has in store. but I would not be trading Mason for something in return when you have two other RB's who would get better trade value due to being vets. Don't need to be developed. Can make a mediochre (sp) team better and even be a better back up to what they may already have if not the starter which I'm sure they would rather be but for Portis.

Ok......slam me.[/quote]
Well last year Portis but the ball on the ground 6 times lost 5 of those and one cost us the game.

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I would guess thats six to many times. lol. I didn't look but I wonder if it was once a game or did he just have a few really bad games.

I guess if our team is winning I could care less if he drops the ball once a game but if by dropping the ball causes us to lose the game by allowing the other team to create points then Houston we have a problem. I'm not trying to paint Betts or Rock as bing horrible RB and they need to go. No. I'm simply stating that if we had to let one go to make room for a player in another position of need then I would let Rock or Betts go first. More then likely Rock. We picked up a lot of talent in the offseason that could fill the return role. Even Mason could fill the role.

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[quote=SmootSmack;451623]Great preseason? Interesting comment. That doesn't always amount to much, if anything. Will he have a better preseason than Sultan McCullough? Will he join the Redskins preseason HOF alongside Babe Laufenberg?[/quote]

...and mike oliphant

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I really liked Mason in the preseason last year. He ended up making the 53 man roster, but he got cut and put on the practice squad before week 1 (I think it was before week 1). He definitely has a chance to make it this year, but it is going to be tough with Cartwrights special teams ability.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;451686]My guess would be that the same thing that happened last yr will happen this yr. He will be put on the practice squad. I just hope no one observes him and he doesn't get picked up by another team. I'm not sure what Cerrato was thinking when he said what he must have said but I would rather see Rock traded vs Mason. We have several people on the team who technically can return balls. It seemed that this yr they went over board on the who can do their job and return kicks. It kinda makes Rock expendable. Unless none of the others are good at the job. Like Randel El. Although he can I would not put my heart and soul in his returns. He's more East/West then North/South.[/QUOTE]

I thought one of the new WRs (Thomas and Kelly) has experience returning kicks. Right?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;451605][b]I love Rock, he's a team leader despite limited playing time, he's a good returner and he's made the most of the few opportunities he's had to carry the ball.[/b] But Betts is a solid kick returner, as is Thomas. But, Portis, Betts, and Rock are all about the same age and I wouldn't mind seeing some young blood enter our RB corps. So, I would not be the least bit surprised if Rock is cut and Mason takes his spot.[/quote]


u mean like when he fumbled and cost us a game against the chiefs 2 yrs ago?

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If Pro-Bowler and late March/early April legend Jerome Mathis can't beat Rock out, I don't see Mason doing it either.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;451748]If Pro-Bowler and late March/early April legend Jerome Mathis can't beat Rock out, I don't see Mason doing it either.[/QUOTE]

Good point but this leads to some speculation.
Vinny picked up a kick return specialist thug....when we just signed Rock.
Now Vinny is saying Marcus Mason should be watched....when that spot is Rock's too....

I dont think it is a stretch to believe writing may be on the wall for Rock.

Why did we release Jerome Mathis....first of all, hes got character issues....but primarily because we drafted guys with KR potential....again...Rocks job.

I like Rock too....but, I see 2 backup RB's that are ok and have no real upside above their current levels.....Mason has upside....

Kinda like the 3 QB spots....a veteran starter, a verteran backup....and a developmental young 3rd stringer. I can see the possibility of them trying to go this path for RB's too.

In reality....I just think Vinny is trying to give Rock a kick in his pants....perhaps because Rock thought he was so great when he wanted to hit free agency this year.

In any case...I would be fine if Mason made it instead of Rock assuming we had a solid KR guy....of course I'd prefer Mason on the squad with 4 RBs.

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I don't think they are going to cut Rock... this year. As much as I love Rock (he's one of my favorite Skins), I believe that his time is here is coming to a close. Mason has potential to be just as good as Rock.

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[quote=Ruhskins;451721]I thought one of the new WRs (Thomas and Kelly) has experience returning kicks. Right?[/quote]

Devin Thomas is a good return guy, but I thought it was primarily punts, not kickoffs.

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Mason certainly looked more like a true rb than Rock does, but Rock is more of a football player & earns his $ on spec. teams. I don't know what kind of speed mason has, but he definitely seems to move laterally & cut much better. Rock does hit the hole pretty quickly, but he has little to no moves.

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I'd say let's give the kid a chance he looks great running the ball, and has excellent vision and change of direction.

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I like Rock also, but he doesn't exactly set the world on fire on kick returns.

There's also probably a good reason why he didn't generate interest from other teams in free agency.

But he is a great team guy and he has the heart of a lion.

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Rock has something that you can't teach or learn. HEART! I have to give it to him, he plays just as hard losing a game as he does winning. Unless I had someone that is going to at least bring that to the table or more, he would remain on my squad.

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[quote=freddyg12;451797]Mason certainly looked more like a true rb than Rock does, but Rock is more of a football player & earns his $ on spec. teams. I don't know what kind of speed mason has, but he definitely seems to move laterally & cut much better. Rock does hit the hole pretty quickly, but he has little to no moves.[/quote]

Never undestimate the power of the straight line, lol.

Anyway speaking of Vinny, I heard that Vinny said on one of these thursday radio shows that Mix has put on a little weight, and he's now up to 240 lbs. Can anyone vouch for this?

With that said however, I've heard a lot about Thrash from Zorn. In fact right now I think Zorn's most mentioned players are Campbell, ARE, Moss, Portis, and Thrash. It's good to see that the hardworker is getting his due and right now if I had to, I would bet on Thrash being the 3rd reciever for at least the first quarter of the season.

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No Way is thrash going to be the No. 3 Wideout. Zorn is giving him his due because he is a hard working veteran and because he is probably picking things up (right now) a little faster than the rookies, but we did not use our top picks on wideouts just to have them sit the bench. Campell needs the size and he will have it given to him, once they learn the terminology and what's expected of them, so that they could play full speed. Thrash will be No. 5.

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[quote=skinsnut;451755]Good point but this leads to some speculation.
Vinny picked up a kick return specialist thug....when we just signed Rock.
Now Vinny is saying Marcus Mason should be watched....when that spot is Rock's too....

I dont think it is a stretch to believe writing may be on the wall for Rock.

Why did we release Jerome Mathis....first of all, hes got character issues....but primarily because we drafted guys with KR potential....again...Rocks job.

I like Rock too....but, I see 2 backup RB's that are ok and have no real upside above their current levels.....Mason has upside....

Kinda like the 3 QB spots....a veteran starter, a verteran backup....and a developmental young 3rd stringer. I can see the possibility of them trying to go this path for RB's too.

In reality....I just think Vinny is trying to give Rock a kick in his pants....perhaps because Rock thought he was so great when he wanted to hit free agency this year.

In any case...I would be fine if Mason made it instead of Rock assuming we had a solid KR guy....of course I'd prefer Mason on the squad with 4 RBs.[/quote]

It's not Vinny's job to kick the players in the pants. God this guy bugs the shit out of me sometimes. Just do your job, pick the players and shut the f%#k up!! Vinny.. I have a message for you. Pick players that know how to get out of the god damn bed in the morning.

Rock has been nothing but a solid dependable player on and off the field for us for how many years now? If Gibbs were still here we wouldn't even be talking about this cause he knows how important guys like Rock are. It would be real stupid to cut him just cause Mason has a good camp. How many times did this guy give the offense good field position last year??

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[quote=RIGGO/NYC;451826]No Way is thrash going to be the No. 3 Wideout. Zorn is giving him his due because he is a hard working veteran and because he is probably picking things up (right now) a little faster than the rookies, but we did not use our top picks on wideouts just to have them sit the bench. Campell needs the size and he will have it given to him, once they learn the terminology and what's expected of them, so that they could play full speed. Thrash will be No. 5.[/quote]

I agree that we didn't use our top picks on wideouts to have them ride the bench, but when a team is starting the season the guys that get on the field are the ones that understand the system.

Kelly and Thomas are picking up a ton of new fundamentals on top of a new system, while Thrash has played in the NFL as well as a West Coast system. Not to mention Thomas is realatively raw to begin with. I don't know what type of learning curve Kelly is facing but I still think it'll take at least a quarter of a season before he can run full speed in this system and no I'm not talking about his legs.

Look I'm not saying Thrash is going to be starting there the whole year, nor is he the answer at reciever. I just think that during the first four games Thrash will play more then Thomas and Kelly, maybe not combined but still more.

It's not unusual for rookies to ride the bench for the first few weeks, even if they're a top 10 non QB pick. If I remember correctly Landry split time with Pierson for at least the first two games of the season. I also think that Calvin Johnson didn't start for the first two games of the season.

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Anyway thats what I meant when I said Thrash would be the third Reciever to start the season.

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Why would Rock need a "kick in the pants"?

If Vinny was upset with him over the contract negotiations he wouldn't have re-signed him.

I think some people are looking for drama when it's not there.

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