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Yes it's ridiculously early to begin evaluating him, but hey it's what we do best, right?

Rank your current confidence level in Jim Zorn with 5 being total confidence and 1 being no confidence at all.

[I]Please note the trademark makes this poll super important.[/I]

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4

He definitely seems to have control over the team and I really like how he delegates to his assistants. He also really seems to know when to push guys and when to lay off and when to give praise and when not. His comments on Colt needing to improve and his prodding of the rookie wrs is nice. But hey, it's only preseason.

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4


He looks like he knows what he's doing and i like the variety in his play calling. The players look like their having fun, I'm excited to see some more preseason action.

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3 because he has appeared to have done well so far, but its only the preseason. Gotta see him in the rigors of the regular season before I can rate him higher

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Just like in grade school you start with an A and work your way down. Right now he hasn't done anything to screw up his A. I give him a 5.

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I'm going with 3, right now....

I will say, I'm am VERY VERY Impressed on how he has handled this team (by all reports) in training camp, and by my visuals in the Hall of Fame game...he defintley has to this point played the part of an NFL head coach, and a damn good one...

With that being said...its still the preseason. I will start judging when it matters. We all saw Spurrier tear it up in the preseason (although its a completley different way than Zorn has approached it, he comes across more "proffesional", if thats the right word)....I'm defintley taken the wait and see approach, but I'm very happy with what I've seen to date.

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;461946]3 because he has appeared to have done well so far, but its only the preseason. Gotta see him in the rigors of the regular season before I can rate him higher[/QUOTE]

What he said

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Bam 4

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5... I have total confidence in him right now. He has done everything right so far, so I have no reason to lose confidence in him.

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Giving a guy who hasn't coached a real game a confidence below or above 3 seems retarded. What do you base your confidence on? Gut feeling? A pre-season game? Confidence is earned and built over time not given cost free.

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[QUOTE=saden1;461978]Giving a guy who hasn't coached a real game a confidence below or above 3 seems retarded. What do you base your confidence on? Gut feeling? A pre-season game? Confidence is earned and built over time not given cost free.[/QUOTE]

The poll is on CURRENT confidence, for what it's worth. I'll give him a retarded 4. ;)

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really retarded 5 here then. nothing to cause any doubt yet, though ratings are always subject to change ;)

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From every report I've read and from every player statement I've heard, Zorn has this team buying into his game. He has taken a play-off level team and, from all appearances, at least kept them at the same level. The O-Line is healthy, Zorn has kept continuity in the run-game and is implementing his passing game which, basd on one preseason game, appears to be a workable scheme with the players on hand.

He has been forthright with the fans and the players.

I give him a retarded 4.

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[quote=saden1;461978]Giving a guy who hasn't coached a real game a confidence below or above 3 seems retarded. What do you base your confidence on? Gut feeling? A pre-season game? Confidence is earned and built over time not given cost free.[/quote]

What are you basing your 3 on? Surely 3 would be a fair assessment for someone with nothing to judge on but credentials from a previous job, not his current one?

The 4 I'm giving is based on how he's handled Training Camp, interviews, media, and the 'meaningless' pre-season game. Did you notice how amped up the Vets were after the pick in the final few minutes of the 'meaningless' game? Would that have happened last season? He deserves a 4.

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5. He's done nothing so far to change my giving him the benefit of the doubt. As far as I'm concerned, he's Lombardi until he proves otherwise.

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4 - He appears to be a thorough, detail guy with a realistic approach to football. We shall all see how that translates to Win/ Loss column...

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4 - So far, so good. The team looks organized and functioning well. I have reserved optimism.

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Gotta' give JZ a 5.
Based on my "current" level of observation, he is doing everything right, AND generating excitement and respect among the players-this is BIG.
I would prefer to grade him on what he has done thus far, or [B]currently[/B], rather than what "may" happen later on.

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5 All I have right now to judge him by is what is coming out of camp and what they did last Sunday. For a team in a new system and only a couple of weeks into training camp they looked really well coached. Thats even including the scrubs who looked better coached then the scrubs for the Colts. You should start this poll after each preseason game to see how the results change.

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i voted 3 but has the potential to be 5 but it,s early..
i did like what i saw in the HOF game on sunday and i hope the energy level from the team continues......

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[quote=Hog1;462000]Gotta' give JZ a 5.
Based on my "current" level of observation, he is doing everything right, AND generating excitement and respect among the players-this is BIG.
I would prefer to grade him on what he has done thus far, or [B]currently[/B], rather than what "may" happen later on.[/quote]

That's what I had in mind with this poll, let's judge what he's done to date and forget about what the future holds.

I gave him a 4. If he's the 2nd coming of Spurrier I'd be absolutely shocked. He's a guy that seems well organized and was ready for this challenge, almost as if he's been preparing for this his entire life. He's calm, cool, and collected and seems to have a good football mind and he's not afraid to think outside the box as evidenced by his quirky yet effective drills in practice. He's also very likable, but he seems to know when to bring the hammer down.

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I gave him a 5. [B]So far[/B] I love everything he is doing. Gotta go with a 5. Now that could change rapidly in the coming weeks.

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All I can say is...........Vinny, Dan.............did you really hit the Powerball with this one?

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I refuse to give him anything other than a 3.

If you've held two weeks of training camp and you've coached in one preseason game, you haven't done SHIT. Any coach can look good doing that stuff (remember how we felt about Spurrier after his preseason performance?) The reason I have to give him a 3 is actually embedded in Matty's opening post in this thread, it's way too early to rate him at all. 3's neutral, so I give him a 3.

Ask me after week 8 of the NFL season and I'll give a very thoughtful response.

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[quote=Schneed10;462028]I refuse to give him anything other than a 3.

If you've held two weeks of training camp and you've coached in one preseason game, you haven't done SHIT. Any coach can look good doing that stuff (remember how we felt about Spurrier after his preseason performance?) The reason I have to give him a 3 is actually embedded in Matty's opening post in this thread, it's way too early to rate him at all. 3's neutral, so I give him a 3.

Ask me after week 8 of the NFL season and I'll give a very thoughtful response.[/quote]

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all? ;)

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462038]If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all? ;)[/quote]

Because you put a poll up asking for an opinion. And I'm a blowhard who can't keep his opinion to himself!

[quote=Mattyk72;462038]You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.[/quote]

On this point I totally agree. The major difference is Zorn has actually coached in the NFL (for a long time, under one of the best head coaches). I like the decisions he and Vinny have made in the offseason. He seems totally organized and totally in charge of the team. He's played QB in the NFL (rather successfully) so I don't think he'll get flustered in pressure situations. I can see him being very successful.

But one of the best coaches the NFL has ever seen came back to the game in 2004, and my confidence level was at a 10 out of 5. And we were not good in the first season.

Granted, we're more talented now, and deeper. So I'm hopeful. But if Joe Gibbs goes 6-10 in his first year, I'm hesitant to get too excited about Jim Zorn until I see more from him. Seeing will be believing for me.

I'm optimistic, but guarded.

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3 for reasons given above...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462038]If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all? ;)

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.[/QUOTE]

Well, a huge difference between Zorn and Spurrier (apart from the mass influx of Gators) is the support staff that Zorn has. A lot of people kept dismissing Snyder and Cerrato's talk of consistency but it really can't be overlooked how much of the staff was retained; veteran coaches who have been not only in the NFL, but with the Redskins for several years so they knew the culture and expectations at Redskins Park. The presence of guys like Bugel, Blache, Gray, and Hixon I believe really has helped Zorn make the transition. That's a benefit that Spurrier did not have, largely by his own choosing though.

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I can see a scenario here where the Redskins are very successful this season, and the Cowboys are the reason why (seems wierd to say that).

But Bill Parcells spent four years in Dallas building that team, putting a strong staff together, instilling a winning attitude, acquiring talent and depth, and establishing a strong work ethic. He made his mark, and Wade Phillips (who's OK as a coach) came in and just kept the team on the same course. The Cowboys did very well, winning the division. I do think they would have beaten the Giants in the playoffs if they had Parcells at the helm instead of Phillips. But Phillips was enough to keep them on track Parcells set them on. Parcells deserves major credit for their season last year.

I can see something similar happening with us. Gibbs put together a strong coaching staff which Zorn has largely kept. We still have Bugel coaching the line, we still have all the defensive coaches (save for GW), we still have several offensive assistants. We're keeping the same run game which Gibbs, Bugel, Portis and the line have established. The defensive scheme is not changing. Under Gibbs, it's obvious the team learned how to work, and you saw how they learned to fight to the bitter end (December record). They built character, bad seeds are no longer part of this locker room. I can see Zorn, like Phillips, guiding this team to a lot of success this season. If that's the case though, I'm going to give Zorn his due, no doubt. But a lot of the credit would have to go back to Joe Gibbs. He built this team, it's his foundation, he put it back on the map.

If Zorn's really good, he'll take us further than Gibbs did and continue the growth. Hopefully he can do something to differentiate himself from Wade Phillips.

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[quote=SmootSmack;462056]Well, a huge difference between Zorn and Spurrier (apart from the mass influx of Gators) is the support staff that Zorn has. A lot of people kept dismissing Snyder and Cerrato's talk of consistency but it really can't be overlooked how much of the staff was retained; veteran coaches who have been not only in the NFL, but with the Redskins for several years so they knew the culture and expectations at Redskins Park. The presence of guys like Bugel, Blache, Gray, and Hixon I believe really has helped Zorn make the transition. That's a benefit that Spurrier did not have, largely by his own choosing though.[/quote]

good point

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I voted 4. I think he's going to be a very solid coach for us for a good while..

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So many people have given Zorn a high rating, because he's done nothing to show otherwise. I guess my line of reasoning is the opposite. I start low and go high. So I started at 1, and since I have liked what I've seen so far, he's moved up to 2. I can't give him total confidence, simply because he has almost no experience. I agree with Saden: confidence is earned.

I'd really like to give him more, but he's only coached and/or called plays for a single game -- and it was preseason. I have a great feeling about him, but I don't think that translates into confidence yet.

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Gave him a 4 for now - Mods, please re-administer this poll after the opener against the Giants. If we can get at least 2 offensive TDs in that game (irrespective of the result), I will stand by my 4. To score 2 TDs up there against a tough defense in a big-game environment tells me his coaching of the offense is above average.

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It's really an incomplete. But since we HAVE to pick, I'll say 3. I've said it many times before, I will wait until I see him in the regular season before I make a serious comment. I would have said a 5 for SPurrier back then, and little did I know he would be an 8 letter word in my household.

Excuse me, I need to go take a Spurrier.

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[quote=hurrykaine;462118]Gave him a 4 for now - Mods, please re-administer this poll after the opener against the Giants. If we can get at least 2 offensive TDs in that game (irrespective of the result), I will stand by my 4. To score 2 TDs up there against a tough defense in a big-game environment tells me his coaching of the offense is above average.[/quote]

Don't worry the Zornometer Poll™ is going to be a regular occurrence here to take the temperature of the Skins fan base.

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Is the correct pronunciation Zorn-ahm-iter, or Zorn-O-meater?
Mod's, please, a ruling?

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[quote=Hog1;462134]Is the correct pronunciation Zorn-ahm-iter, or Zorn-O-meater?
Mod's, please, a ruling?[/quote]

The first one is what I had in mind but it's open to interpretation

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[quote=Mattyk72;462135]The first one is what I had in mind but it's open to interpretation[/quote]

You have to allow for regional dialects, ethnic background and how well your dental fixative functions.

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5

I was a leary of this hire at first, favoring Saunders as OC and Gregg Williams as head coach. Zorn has done nothing but impress me so far. He seems to have a great relationship with Jason Campbell already. His demeanor, his organizational skills, especially related to the crisper practices, have won praise from the players and are great signs. Clearly, the guy has a plan, and he knows what he's doing out there.

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1.5 (.5 being for his first pre-season game) - he's never coached a team before. With every passing game I'll increase my rating, or it will remain 1.5. He has to prove himself first.