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now, these are subject to change and we should give these guys a full preseason, but right now some guys just don't look like they're worth having around.

[B] Broughton[/B] - mason is better at RB, and we can throw a TE at FB if needed (or just call the guy up since he'll probably be free) - two years now and nothing special.
[B]Westbrook[/B] - very unimpressive... i mean torrence proved he definitely isn't a stater (again) last night, but westbrook didn't even look like depth.
[B]devine[/B] - he won't make the team, colt's a good #3.
cedrick holt (CB) - just looked bad.
[B]anthony mix/maurice mann[/B] - showed nothing, looked bad. mcmullen pretty much beat all comers on big WR depth guy.

btw, justin hamilton looked decent last night - good enough to stick around a couple more games at least. tryon looked a little better than the HoF game...

guys that weren't big names to begin with that haven't done anything to change that:
[COLOR=Black][URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=1209"]DE Huntley, Kevin[/URL]
[URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=6345"]DT Oshinowo, Babatunde[/URL]
[URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=120"]DT Askew, Matthias[/URL]
[URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=237"]RB Shelton, Eric[/URL]
[URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=7703"]DB Ghee, Patrick[/URL]
[URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=1743"]TE Goode, Jason[/URL]
[URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=337"]WR Gant, Horace[/URL]
[/COLOR][COLOR=Black][URL="http://redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=2694"]WR Toler, Burl[/URL]

I don't know what's happening with the LB/OL backups, and at punter, one's getting dumped (probably frost)... we'll cut 3-4 OL guys (probably 3 due to the age of the starters) and we'll dump 2-3 LBs, but my guess is we'll also sign some veteran cuts there since that depth is terrible right now.

so that's 17 for sure cuts (including 1 unnamed punter and 3 unnamed OL backups) which gets you down to 63 pretty fast.
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as for the last 10
1 unnamed LB (PS)
CB tryon (PS)
CB richardson (PS)
DT boschetti
1 unnamed DE (wilson to PS? james to IR? jackson to PS?)
S hamilton (PS)

the last 4 are hard... you have 5 S, 10 OL, 8 LB, 4 RB, and 6 WR, which are all 1 more than necessary, but include some teamers (fox/thrash/etc)...

this was a lot easier last year...

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Derek Devine sealed his fate by missing the wide open Broughton in the endzone on 4th down. I bet he didn't sleep a wink last night.

Leigh Torrence continues to get beat, as does Tryon, and a lot of passes seem to connect around Byron Westbrook. Nobody's really standing out among these three. If you had to pick a leader here, I guess it's Tryon. I guess.

Matt Sinclair (LB, #58) seems to be a part of a lot of tackles. He might squeeze through.

By my count, McMullen is leading Mix right now.

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# 20 Ty Tryon Dude just looks lost all the time an d consistantly gets beat

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I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.

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I would like to see McMullen and Mason get some reps with the 1st team next week, maybe second possession.

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McMullen has to sty he will be a decent wr for us. Think about it he already has tons of experience in the west coast offense and the guy is 6'4''. We wukk have a pretty good wr corp here than last year. I believe that our wrs are much better than seahawks.

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I am kinda of suprised, that people are so down on Tryon and Torrence. The Bills only had 173 yards passing and both of them played the whole game. Both of them are going to make the team. Corners are going to get beat. Byron Westbrook will probably make the team, also. I think that they are going to keep six db's and four saftey's(Landry, Doughty, Moore, and Fox or Horton. Thats why they are using Springs at saftey so they only have to keep four saftey's, thats my theory.

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;463246]I[B] am kinda of suprised, that people are so down on Tryon and Torrence. [/B]The Bills only had 173 yards passing and both of them played the whole game. Both of them are going to make the team. Corners are going to get beat. Byron Westbrook will probably make the team, also. I think that they are going to keep six db's and four saftey's(Landry, Doughty, Moore, and Fox or Horton. Thats why they are using Springs at saftey so they only have to keep four saftey's, thats my theory.[/QUOTE]

Sure, all corners are going to be beaten. One of the things you look for is who they're matching up against, and who beats them. Leigh Torrence is particularly troubling. This is a third-year veteran who was actually called upon in the regular season last year. So he's not just training camp fodder. He was beaten by a rookie second round pick for a touchdown last night.

Some might say, 'no big deal, it happens to everybody.' But that's a play Torrence has to win. I suppose I'm willing to give Tryon more of a pass because he's just out of college.

Bottom line is that the guys competing for the nickel corner position so far haven't done much to make a case for themselves.

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Ok, help me out here. I thought last week some of you were praising either Torrence or Tryon during the game? I know one was bad but the other seemed to be doing great which was a supprise to some. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm leaning towards Torrence. I think Tryon just sucked last week and some of you were saying how Torrence looked better then last yr.

If I was on something last week just remind me what it was and I'll stop. lol.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;463246]I am kinda of suprised, that people are so down on Tryon and Torrence. The Bills only had 173 yards passing and both of them played the whole game. Both of them are going to make the team. Corners are going to get beat. Byron Westbrook will probably make the team, also. I think that they are going to keep six db's and four saftey's(Landry, Doughty, Moore, and Fox or Horton. Thats why they are using Springs at saftey so they only have to keep four saftey's, thats my theory.[/quote]
i agree with you. there are young and will get beat, but they did a decent job

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secondary looks weak until carlos rogers returns.its pretty scary whan you consider the complete lack of depth after springs smoot and rogers.

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How did Hamilton do? He was the guy who saw no chance of making the team and asked to be let go only to get resigned last week.

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[quote=redskinjim;463262]secondary looks weak until carlos rogers returns.its pretty scary whan you consider the complete lack of depth after springs smoot and rogers.[/quote]
Again Torrence started the whole game and Tryon played as the Nickel in the begging and started the rest of the game. Torrence is a very good nickel and can start in a pinch. Very few teams in the NFL have three starters and a good nickel. They could have played better, but fourteen points, eleven from turn overs and 173 yards passing, wins almost every time. We have good depth at corners without Rogers, and with Rogers we have excelent depth.

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[quote=SBXVII;463264]How did Hamilton do? He was the guy who saw no chance of making the team and asked to be let go only to get resigned last week.[/quote]
Hamilton played like an animal. He had the hit of the game, causing a fumble. Dont get me wrong, I dont know if he played his position well, but he made some nasty hits.

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Actually, I thought Torrence did okay. I have been watching him a lot and he is pretty much right with his receiver causing the QB to look for other options. On the play he got beat, he had good coverage it was just a better throw.

No. He's not going to be the number 2 corner, but I am okay with him as the third or fourth corner.

Tryon's a rookie and not a superstar rookie. He's gonna get beat like a drum pretty much through his first year.

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I can't stand Tryon. I'd like to see Mason stick but his return skills aren't that good and his ST tackling still needs work. I think we keep 6 corners and 4 safeties until Carlos is at full strength then we go with 5 corners. I want to keep 4 rb's and might need the spot. Under that scenario, keep Rogers, Springs, Smoot, Torrence and either Richardson or Holt (put on Tryon on PS and see if his playing level catches up to his talking level). Safeties Landry, Doughty, Horton and Fox (Moore on PS).
BTW, the competition at WR is over IMO. I know that a lot of people on here are in love with Mix but I think McMullen is showing the potential the Eagles saw a few years ago and he's ready to break out. Unless Thomas or Kelly go on IR (would the NFL let you put someone on IR before the season for a strain?) the top six are set.
I think Chris Wilson is gone too because with Carter and Taylor you really don't need a pass rushing specialist that can't tackle or turn a running play back inside.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;463274]Hamilton played like an animal. He had the hit of the game, causing a fumble. Dont get me wrong, I dont know if he played his position well, but he made some nasty hits.[/quote]

I think he is great in zone coverage, would be good on kick off coverage teams and really is a sound hitter. Not sure how he covers in man though.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;463241]I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.[/QUOTE]

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

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[quote=FRPLG;463241]I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.[/quote]

I'd love to see McMullen make it as the last WR. Mix has bruised ribs now, and McMullen has looked better thus far. At this point I'd say he's definitely the front-runner to be the last WR to make the 53-man. He's relatively local being a UVA guy too. I'm pulling for him. Plus he's an Eagles cast-off so I'd like to see him contribute just to rub it in.

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[quote=SmootSmack;463280]With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.[/quote]

Good point, but I think McMullen didn't apply himself before because he thought he was great and didn't need to put in the extra work to raise his game to NFL standards. For what it's worth, I think he has a lot of improvements he could still make and for the first time realizes how much work an NFL player must put in. Don't forget, the Giants thought Mix had maxed.

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[quote=rypper11;463284]Good point, but I think McMullen didn't apply himself before because he thought he was great and didn't need to put in the extra work to raise his game to NFL standards. For what it's worth, I think he has a lot of improvements he could still make and for the first time realizes how much work an NFL player must put in. Don't forget, the Giants thought Mix had maxed.[/quote]

In listening to Joey Sunshine and Mike Patrick last night (BIG grain of salt), they seem to think McMullen has realized this may be his last real shot in the NFL, and he's seriously stepped up every aspect of his game. I hope he's right. He's definitely more talented than Mix, he's just never lived up to his potential or draft status.

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[quote=Beemnseven;463254]Sure, all corners are going to be beaten. One of the things you look for is who they're matching up against, and who beats them. Leigh Torrence is particularly troubling. This is a third-year veteran who was actually called upon in the regular season last year. So he's not just training camp fodder. He was beaten by a rookie second round pick for a touchdown last night.

Some might say, 'no big deal, it happens to everybody.' But that's a play Torrence has to win. I suppose I'm willing to give Tryon more of a pass because he's just out of college.

Bottom line is that the guys competing for the nickel corner position so far haven't done much to make a case for themselves.[/quote]On the play in question, Torrence had the coverage exactly where you teach it. Hardy has a height advantage on him, but more accurately, Losman's throw was just perfect to the inch. That pass could not have been defended without significant interference.

Tryon looked horrible at times yesterday, but he also did some good things too.

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torrence is fine, just as long as you don't let him start... ever.

as far as holding down the bills offense - you're talking about jp losman and trent edwards... that's not exactly peyton manning or tom brady (the peyton less colts put up 400 on us btw). torrence was the only one that really did anything redeeming (i mean, on the hardy play, he had him blanketed, but 5'9" vs 6'5" i mean, sometimes it's just not going to happen.

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[quote=GTripp0012;463291]On the play in question, Torrence had the coverage exactly where you teach it. Hardy has a height advantage on him, but more accurately, Losman's throw was just perfect to the inch. That pass could not have been defended without significant interference.

Tryon looked horrible at times yesterday, but he also did some good things too.[/quote]

I agree on the Torrence play, it was just good execution by the Bills.

Tryon has been rough but it's to be expected from a rook.

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[quote=That Guy;463298]torrence is fine, just as long as you don't let him start... ever.[/quote]



i agree. he'll be fine as the skins 4th corner, heck, he's actually pretty good for a #4 cb.

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Torrence has had a solid camp and has impressed in games, he has been beaten a few times but who doesn't. Mason will make the team, Fincher will make the team (I've watched him and he's everywhere) Moore did ok. Tryon is having a hard time adjusting and should be given every chance till the last game. McMullen was solid. Our backup offensive line did well, especially on the last drive. It's going to be tough cutting some of these players and some will find another home with another team.

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It will be interesting to see if Torrence develops. If he doesn't, a pick might need to be used next year on a nickel corner, because the Shawn Springs--release watch will start all over again.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;463238]
Leigh Torrence continues to get beat, as does Tryon, and a lot of passes seem to connect around Byron Westbrook. Nobody's really standing out among these three. If you had to pick a leader here, I guess it's Tryon. I guess.
By my count, McMullen is leading Mix right now.[/QUOTE]

What games are you watching?
Tryon was the worst player game one and was pretty lame game 2.
Torrence was great game 1 and solid game 2...the TD was solid coverage.

Torrence not only makes the team, he is a lock.
I do agree that Mix has done nothing and McMullen had 1 solid game.

Tryon is definately in danger of being cut...practice squad sounds logical as no one would pick him up unless he shows significant improvement

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;463259]Ok, help me out here. I thought last week some of you were praising either Torrence or Tryon during the game? I know one was bad but the other seemed to be doing great which was a supprise to some. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm leaning towards Torrence. I think Tryon just sucked last week and some of you were saying how Torrence looked better then last yr.

If I was on something last week just remind me what it was and I'll stop. lol.[/QUOTE]

I was one of those that said Torrence looked great last week and that Tryon flat out sucked...I stand by that.

This week Torrence looked solid and though Tryon improved on "sucked" he was marginally servicable....Torrence will easily make the team, Tryon has a long way to go..it is understandable being a rookie corner and all...if he shows consistant improvement he may make the final roster...but at this point, I doubt it...I hope Im wrong...but the definately need to make room for Torrence

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I love Marcus Mason but I dont ever want to see him returning a kick again. He holds the ball in such a way that its going to get popped out too frequently.

Tryon and Westbrook continue to do NOTHING to endear me to them. Torrence getting beat on that play was pretty bad but, its James friggin Hardy and it was a pretty good throw too imo.

Step it up out GTFO.

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MIX has a broken rib
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/?hpid=moreheadlines]Redskins Insider[/url]

This may just make the cut easier

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Just one cautionary note about McMullin:

He has a ton of experience in the West Coast Offense - - in practice. His game performances over his entire career have yet to rise to the level of "mediocre".

Is he better than Mix? Maybe. But don't get lathered up about the "treatness that is Mr. McMullin" just yet. He's been a major disappointment wherever he's been so far...

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westbrook looked real slow out there.Tyron looked average at best.torrence is going to be all right.Reed douty had a big play.But i can see him getting burned by the big PASS PLAY

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I think Torrence has been playing well. He led the charge on that Marshawn Lynch stuff after London Fletcher lost the tackle. And I remember him coming up quick in run support last week as well. His coverage has been pretty good. There wasn't any separation between him and James Hardy, just height advantage. I think he's been holding his own.

Tryon, on the other hand. It seems like every time there's a big passing play, he comes trotting in behind the receiver a few steps late. I haven't honestly seen one play that makes me think the guy has potential. He's getting a lot of PT too. You'd think he'd do something when the scrubs come in. I'm thinking he might need to be sent to the practice squad to work on his coverage skills. He's of no use to the Skins in dime or nickel packages or even special teams. The analysts were saying he was a reach in the 4th round, and that's looking like the case. Justin Tryon, please, get better or get off my team.

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[B]Torrence[/B]'s game is built around hitting and tackling, much like [B]Jimoh[/B]'s was. Dude has size and speed to stay with big WRs but doesn't have a clue how to make a play on the ball. [B]Tryon[/B] will be given time to get better since we drafted him in the fourth. [B]Richardson[/B] will have a chance to stick and hasn't looked too bad in coverage. It seems that [B]Moore[/B] is our only other FS on the roster. He seems to be solid but, is playing catch up. Which brings up [B]Springs[/B] playing FS. Are we deeper at CB than we are at safety? [B]Westbrook[/B], like I said before, is garbage. [B]Mason[/B] has little value without being able to return KOs. Why hasn't he been working on this in the offseason? He does run like he's still in HS though... [B]Huntley[/B] is garbage. [B]Sinclair[/B] and [B]K. Campbell [/B]impressed and are special teams aces. Question: Did we miss [B]Heyer[/B]? Answer: Nope. [B]McMullen[/B] is a WR-upgrade from 'should be an assistant' [B]Thrash[/B]. [B]Broughton[/B] is garbage. I didn't see [B]Horton[/B] vs BUF and wished [B]Blades[/B] was ready to go.

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When the analysts said Tryon was a reach in the fourth round they might have been on to something.

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-Derek Devine
-Anthony Mix
-Justin Tryon
-Horace Gant

I like McMullen so far. But I wouldn't count Byron Westbrook out quite yet.

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[quote=wilsowilso;463359]When the analysts said Tryon was a reach in the fourth round they might have been on to something.[/quote]

Yeah, I was frustrated by that pick. There was still a lot of CB talent on the board. USF's Trae Williams, Wisconsinn's Jack Ikegwuono, Boise State's Orlando Scandrick, Nebraska's Zack Bowman and if you were gonna reach, reach for a guy like Grand Valley State's Brandon Carr, who the Chiefs got in the 5th. Time will tell, and it's only been two games, but I haven't seen much, if anything, to say this guy's gonna be OK.

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McMullen didn't do that great during the first game, I remember him having a dropped passed and a false start. I'd like to see him play another solid game before I rave about him.

I do remember hearing people's praises of Torrence, so I'm curious to know what he did during the last game (didn't watch the whole game). I think Tryon is having a whole bunch of rookie mistakes, I think he needs to keep the talk down and perform better.

I think Devine is gone, unless they keep him in the practice squad...which it may happen under Zorn.