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He just continues to impress me with the way he's picking up this offense. He's getting the ball out quick and he's been very accurate. Not much to hate so far from JC and the WCO that's for sure! So far it's looking like a great fit... what do you think?

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I believe that Jason is starting to get it. This system if run correctly can be very hard to stop. Look at Seattle's version of the west coast offense and how many wins they produced. I mean Matt Hasselbeck at times looks unstoppable in this offense. I not that sold on Campbell reading defenses that good but as long as he gets the ball out of his hands quickly we will be alright. I just wish we ran some naked bootlegs and play more into the strenghts of Campbell and his athletic ability.

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I'm sure the bootlegs and getting the ball down the field, we're only seeing a very little bit of the offense. Here's the thing, Zorn being a former QB is going to put Campbell in positions to be successful. He's not going to ask JC to do things he's uncomfortable doing. The game plan will be drawn up each week with the mindset of 'what can Jason do better than the defense can stop him from doing'.

That's the great thing about having a rookie coach vs. Gibbs/Saunders for example. He's not stuck in his ways and trying to make the player fit the ideal of what he thinks the scheme should be or has seen it work "his" way in the past.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;463273]I believe that Jason is starting to get it. This system if run correctly can be very hard to stop. Look at Seattle's version of the west coast offense and how many wins they produced. I mean Matt Hasselbeck at times looks unstoppable in this offense. I not that sold on Campbell reading defenses that good but as long as he gets the ball out of his hands quickly we will be alright. I just wish we ran some naked bootlegs and play more into the strenghts of Campbell and his athletic ability.[/QUOTE]

I think we are on the right tract for sure. I would like to see a more vertical play. Those passes to the flats will be easy picks. Its predictable. Bootlegs and vert plays have to be used at some point just so we have more balance of plays and keep the def honest . Our running game is great. We need to get the ball down the field and put points on the board. If we go north and south its a lot better then east and west.!!!!

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I'm just a young pup here, so I can't post the link, but Matt Mosely :( has a quote from Portis about Zorn actually predicting a major play in each game.
Sounds like Portis is buying into Coach Z as well!

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Here is Portis' quote after the Buffalo game:

"Coach Z calls out the plays that are going to stand out in the game," Portis said. "It is two weeks in a row that he called out a play that is going to stand out in the game, and he told us exactly what was going to happen. When you get that excitement, it is good for the team."

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Jason went 13-0 (and got robbed not getting to play for a natn'l title) in this offense in his senior year at Auburn, and continued to learn a version of it as a rookie with Bill Musgrave. So it's a much easier transition than, say, a certain 700 page playbook. :doh:

JC looks great so far. He's using his check-downs well too. I'm pretty sure Zorn is gradually rolling out the plays in live action. I'm not too concerned about the lack of deep plays thus far. We're working the sidelines and the middle of the field equally well, and the run game looks very good. Save for the rookie WR injuries, I'm very pleased.

Jason has all the tools- He's unflappable, he's becoming a leader, he's tall, mobile, and has a friggin rifle arm, and most importantly, he's got the work ethic. Plus he's only 26. The sky's the limit. I just hope Jansen can keep DE's out of his face.

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I think JC is the most cerebral QB we've had in a long time (if ever). The fact that he has had any success in the NFL or college is proof that he is special given the number of different systems he has played in. I see him being very good for a long time.

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[quote=rembrandt;463278]I think we are on the right tract for sure. I would like to see a more vertical play. Those passes to the flats will be easy picks. Its predictable. Bootlegs and vert plays have to be used at some point just so we have more balance of plays and keep the def honest . Our running game is great. We need to get the ball down the field and put points on the board. If we go north and south its a lot better then east and west.!!!![/quote]

Seriously? You do understand that those quick shorter routes are the staple of the WCO offense, right?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;463271]He just continues to impress me with the way he's picking up this offense. He's getting the ball out quick and he's been very accurate. Not much to hate so far from JC and the WCO that's for sure! So far it's looking like a great fit... what do you think?[/QUOTE]

I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks.
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.

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[quote=jsarno;463324]I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, [B]we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks. [/B]
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.[/quote]

You had to remind me. I had kinda like, blacked the entire Spurrier thing from memory but now, I vividly remember being super hyped that presesaon and getting peed on by SS.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;463324]I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks.
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.[/QUOTE]

JSarno,
I dont know why you are minimizing preseason so much.
It is a great way to evaluate talent and implement new systems.

You have a point about Spurrier, but don't forget people had blinders on because of this "new offensive genius" who was going to light it up in the NFL.
The reality is he had the starters playing against 2nd and 3rd string....and that doesn't mean jack.

In comparison, look at last 2 years offensive struggles in preseason, particularly in the passing game. I was concerned then as I knew it was a matter of legitamate 1st string on 1st string struggles....and it translated to the seaason.

Many of us watch the preseason to evaluate talent and get a feel for how effective the new offense will be. At this point, I'd say I am optimistic.
I too am skeptical of pre-season but I dont discount it completely

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I"m happy with jason and the progress of the offense so far. The only guy that worries me is Jon Jansen. He can't block anybody. I'm gonna predict it now, I think Chad Rinehart my be starting at right tackle sooner rather than later.

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[quote=GMScud;463288]Jason went 13-0 (and got robbed not getting to play for a natn'l title) in this offense in his senior year at Auburn, and continued to learn a version of it as a rookie with Bill Musgrave. So it's a much easier transition than, say, a certain 700 page playbook. :doh:

JC looks great so far. He's using his check-downs well too. I'm pretty sure Zorn is gradually rolling out the plays in live action. I'm not too concerned about the lack of deep plays thus far. We're working the sidelines and the middle of the field equally well, and the run game looks very good. Save for the rookie WR injuries, I'm very pleased.

Jason has all the tools- He's unflappable, he's becoming a leader, he's tall, mobile, and has a friggin rifle arm, and most importantly, he's got the work ethic. Plus he's only 26. The sky's the limit. I just hope Jansen can keep DE's out of his face.[/quote]
this is a good post, and i believe, dead on

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Our offense has struggled for many years. The defense has improved over that time. Defense was # 11 last year in points allowed. Last year, we averaged under 21 points a game (18th) and we still made the playoffs. It looks like the offense should score more points this year. I long for the day when we ranked # 1 in offense (1991: 30.3 points per game, with an average differential of 16.3 points). We went 14-2 that year and won the Super Bowl, as you know.

We need to score, on average, another TD per game. If we can do that, we are on our way!

I think it is possible, but I also think the Redskins are going to win the Super Bowl every year.

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[quote=jsarno;463324]I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks.
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.[/quote]

Spurrier also played starters for a large portion of the preseason games to run up the score.

I think it absolutely does matter right now. How he's transitioning is very important, and the only real gague of that is live action. And so far JC looks very sharp. I'm not saying he's gonna throw 35 TDs or have 4000 yards, but he's obviously picking up Zorn's offense well.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;463332]You had to remind me. I had kinda like, blacked the entire Spurrier thing from memory but now, I vividly remember being super hyped that presesaon and getting peed on by SS.[/QUOTE]

We may not be scoring as many points as we did in the preseason of 2002, but I think this is a much better team. I don't remember specifically but weren't we giving up like 30+ points a game back then.

More importantly, that team was very undisciplined. I think they averaged 10+ penalties per game. We are averaging around 4 or 5 now.

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I do not think the Spurrier analogy is any good. That was an untested and, eventually, unsuited system for the NFL. And you have to admit (go back and look, if that's possible) that this team looks very different from the Spurrier teams, even in preseason. This team is executing a proven pro system very efficiently for preseason. And we certainly have not seen lots of the playbook. In his presser today, Zorn said he didn't call any "shots" in this game, though he meant to going in. So it's not that he's been trying to hit them and missing. We'll see them on down the line. I, for one, am very interested to see JC hit a few deep ones. That part of his arsenal should be a strength, but he's been off in his pro career so far. My guess is Zorn will help with that too.

Also, we saw very little TE stuff this game. With Cooley and Davis out there, we're going to get some great production from the TE.

As for JC, he looks very confident and comfortable in this system with these coaches. In the Saunders offense, he often looked out of sync. Not so thus far. And the spirit of the team on offense is excellent. Whereas I am not sure that some folks EVER bought into the Saunders system, I don't know of anyone bitching about Zorn's WC + Buges run game.

Cautiously optimistic at this point. It's early, but it feels right so far.

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Guys, point is, IT'S PRESEASON! Have we not learned our lesson at all?

I am not comparing this preseason to Spurrier's, even though it appears like it, I am not saying Campbell is the 2nd coming of Wuerffel...all I am saying is, what is happening right now, means nothing. The cowboys lost every game in preseason and went on to win the super bowl. If I recall the Patriots lost almost all, or all of their preseason games and went on to win the super bowl. Just like the Lions have had excellent preseason outputs and sucked in the regular season, and I use Spurrier's Skins team as an example of a team that looked GREAT in preseason and sucked during the regular season. So it doesn't make a LICK of difference if he's looking good now...hundreds of players have looked good in preseason, that in no way means it translates into good performance for the season. Hopefully in this case, it will...but when you're facing players that probably know they have made the team (1st stringers) and are just trying to get into game shape, you can't take the results seriously yet.

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I think Jason looks good out there. But the main thing is he's being consistent. 5-5 in the hall of fame game and 7-10 last night. It seems like he's becoming more and more comfortable every time I see him play.

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[quote=jsarno;463360]Guys, point is, IT'S PRESEASON! Have we not learned our lesson at all?

I am not comparing this preseason to Spurrier's, even though it appears like it, I am not saying Campbell is the 2nd coming of Wuerffel...all I[B] am saying is, what is happening right now, means nothing.[/B] The cowboys lost every game in preseason and went on to win the super bowl. If I recall the Patriots lost almost all, or all of their preseason games and went on to win the super bowl. Just like the Lions have had excellent preseason outputs and sucked in the regular season, and I use Spurrier's Skins team as an example of a team that looked GREAT in preseason and sucked during the regular season. So it doesn't make a LICK of difference if he's looking good now...hundreds of players have looked good in preseason, that in no way means it translates into good performance for the season. Hopefully in this case, it will...but when you're facing players that probably know they have made the team (1st stringers) and are just trying to get into game shape, you can't take the results seriously yet.[/quote]

Simply put, you're wrong. Sure as far as the record book is concerned it means nothing. But we've got a young QB on the verge of his most important season in a new complex offense and a new HC. How the first team is picking it up and executing DOES mean something. Whether we win or lose doesn't matter, but if we looked totally inept on both sides of the ball the last two weeks, would you be singing the same tune? Methinks you'd be concerned about a poor transition...

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I think unlike our last two years, this preseason when our starters have played against the opponents starters, our guys have looked good in two games. I must say that this makes me optimistic about our team, granted that this is not the regular season and it is likely that our team and the opponent are not playing at full speed (i.e.: Portis playing carefully in the last game).

I've been saying this over and over, but I think a big different this year is Zorn's focus on Jason Campbell. Zorn is working on developing JC, something that didn't happen under Gibbs. Now I don't want to make it sound as JC is a rookie QB developing, but I just don't think there was much emphasis on developing him under Gibbs and Saunders. JC's play as QB will determine how well the team will do, and I think Zorn knows this hence his focus on the position.

Campbell has looked good in two games, and I'm glad to see our 1st team doing well against the opponent's 1st team. One thing that I hope the team can overcome this year is their inability to close out games. We won't be able to see this until the regular season. However, I like what I've see from our starters, and I hope that carries over to the regular season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;463271]He just continues to impress me with the way he's picking up this offense. He's getting the ball out quick and he's been very accurate. Not much to hate so far from JC and the WCO that's for sure! So far it's looking like a great fit... what do you think?[/quote]

So far so good. But it's pre season and nobody is game planning. Let's see what happens on Sept. 4th.

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[quote=skinsfan69;463407]So far so good. But it's pre season and nobody is game planning. Let's see what happens on Sept. 4th.[/quote]No doubt that we'll know a lot more on Sept. 5 then we do know. If Campbell can toss 3 TDs against the Giants, the Saints and Cardinals definately won't stand in his way.

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One thing I noticed is there is no shotgun and JC only takes 3 and 5 step drops. I know some of the WC offenses use shotgun. I wonder if we're planning on using it? I don't think Seattle does.

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[quote=GMScud;463367]Simply put, you're wrong. Sure as far as the record book is concerned it means nothing. But we've got a young QB on the verge of his most important season in a new complex offense and a new HC. How the first team is picking it up and executing DOES mean something. [B]Whether we win or lose doesn't matter, but if we looked totally inept on both sides of the ball the last two weeks, would you be singing the same tune? Methinks you'd be concerned about a poor transition[/B]...[/quote]

Good point.

The preseason isn't completely worthless. It's good for seeing how the team does in situational type stuff. Converting 3rd downs, goal line and short yardage, and just the overall flow of things. Right now this doesn't look like an offense in transition, the basic execution seems to be strong.

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I'll tell you what I like the most. JC is not "Zorn's guy" but Zorn is clearly a big fan and coaching him up as much as possible. It'd be real easy, and common-place, for a new coach to come in and give it the old college try for a few weeks before writing off a young QB he didn't draft. Zorn hasn't done that. That should mean a lot. Zorn seems excited about JC and that makes me VERY happy.

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I really want to see JC play the whole first half in one of these games. JZ probably scripts the first 10-15 plays. After that, Campbell is over on the sideline with a baseball cap on. I really want to see how he handles himself when he doesn't know what play JZ is calling ahead of time. With that being said, everything looks to be coming together nicely :FIREdevil HAIL!

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good point. but he definitely looks alot more comfortable. i guess with the quick reads, it takes alot of the guess work out of where the safety is

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Collins and Jansen look lost out there.

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[quote=redskin37;463460]Collins and Jansen look lost out there.[/quote]I only think Jansen got beat one time. Whats the big deal? Its preseason for him too and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he will work out the kinks in his game. He did miss the whole season last year with what somepeople said was a career ending injury. Ithought he run blocked as well as he used to.

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The one thing that is most impressive this preseason, is the tempo of the offense. Whether its the starting eleven or the backups, the offense is running smoothly, both on the ground and in the air. This is very encouraging and maybe during the regular season, this offense will look like a professional offense and not a high school team.

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To me, it seems that JC is finally a leader of the team. In previous years he has looked more like a student of the game, kind of learning as he goes. He goes out there and takes control and makes the game work for him instead of working for the game. Granted, as a Skins fan I am a little gun shy on account of Spurrier's preseason but so far, so good.

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W's and L's don't really mean anything in the preseason, it's the way the starters play and some backups. What our 3rd stringers do against other 3rd stringers is less important.

I'm very impressed so far w/ JC and the west coast offense. He's looked sharp in 2 games so far. I wasn't expecting it w/ a new offense and new coach coming in. I thought it might take some time. The O is moving the ball and scoring some points.

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[quote=FRPLG;463447]I'll tell you what I like the most. JC is not "Zorn's guy" but Zorn is clearly a big fan and coaching him up as much as possible. It'd be real easy, and common-place, for a new coach to come in and give it the old college try for a few weeks before writing off a young QB he didn't draft. Zorn hasn't done that. That should mean a lot. Zorn seems excited about JC and that makes me VERY happy.[/quote]

I'm not sure Zorn had much of a choice though. The main reason he was brought in as OC originally was to work with JC and get him coached up.