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Just read this.. if its already posted my apologies.
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=200832qwas]ESPN - 32 Q: Is Jason Campbell a breakout player? - Fantasy Football[/url]

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[I]"Ultimately Moss is a decent No. 2 receiver on a team that lacks a true No. 1 option, and he's not one without risk. If there's anyone on the team I'd call a threat to put the passing game in "bust" territory, here's your man."[/I]

WTF!?!??! Has this dude ever watched Moss play? No credibility. Move along...

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[quote=RedskinRat;465926][I]"Ultimately Moss is a decent No. 2 receiver on a team that lacks a true No. 1 option, and he's not one without risk. If there's anyone on the team I'd call a threat to put the passing game in "bust" territory, here's your man."[/I]

WTF!?!??! Has this dude ever watched Moss play? No credibility. Move along...[/quote]

Honestly, what did he say that was so wrong about Moss? Santana can be great, but he can also be terrible. Remember the Green Bay game? He also has had injuries more often than not. The only thing I disagree with is that when healthy, I think Moss is a number 1.

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The guy is writing about fantasy football and that is where he needs to stay no doubt.

Now, in his defense when you are refering to the value of Santana Moss in fantasy football even I agree that you would not pick him up to be your #1 option. He will hurt your feelings with his feast or famine performances. There are much better fantasy options out there in Fantasy land.

What I do not concur with is that he was making direct refrences to the player as being not a true number one reciever on the team or that the team is lacking a No. 1 reciever. That is where he crosses the line and needs to go back to his corner (in fantasy land) and shut up. If he can name 31 recievers better than Santana (currently on a NFL roster) then I might believe that he (Santana) is not a true number 1. He cannot, so he needs to know his role writing about Fantasy Value and thats it!

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I do think Campbell is poised to be a sleeper in FF this year. He should dramatically improve his TD total because we will be throwing the ball so much this year. About the only thing I disagree with was when the guy said "not that Campbell equals Hasselbeck, but it won't be impossible for Zorn to season him into a 'lite' version." Now that's the WTF statement, I think Campbell is just as smart and more physically gifted than Hasselbeck.

While I agree that Moss is not a true #1 guy, the new offense should make that moot. I love Moss, but if we brought in or developed a guy who was better than him, that would make our offense just that much more potent. I think we've gotten so used to crappy pass offenses that we have forgotten what it's like to have real playmakers at wideout. I'm hoping Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly become the rising tide that lifts all boats.

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[quote=Angry;465949]That article was written about 4 month ago (not much football to write about in April outside of the draft).[/quote]

It was published yesterday

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[quote=mlmpetert;465968]It was published yesterday[/quote]

You are right. I thought that it read April 20th. Oh well, the rest still applies.

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All I know is that I'm callin tristan h cockcroft for all my psychic needs from now on. Dude knew 4 months ago what we would do in our first 3 preseason games... F ms cleo!

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moss had problems last year. but remember the dallas game when out of desperation brunell and moss shocked everyone.I look forward to some long bombs like that early in games this year.mark rypien had gary clark.ricky sanders and art monk.santana needs help and hopefully this is the year he will have some help with the new kids on the block.

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[QUOTE=Angry;465949]The guy is writing about fantasy football and that is where he needs to stay no doubt.

Now, in his defense when you are refering to the value of Santana Moss in fantasy football even I agree that you would not pick him up to be your #1 option. He will hurt your feelings with his feast or famine performances. There are much better fantasy options out there in Fantasy land.

What I do not concur with is that he was making direct refrences to the player as being not a true number one reciever on the team or that the team is lacking a No. 1 reciever. That is where he crosses the line and needs to go back to his corner (in fantasy land) and shut up. If he can name 31 recievers better than Santana (currently on a NFL roster) then I might believe that he (Santana) is not a true number 1. He cannot, so he needs to know his role writing about Fantasy Value and thats it![/QUOTE]

Not to pee in your cheerios angry, but Moss ranked 39th last year (in normal leagues) as a fantasy WR. He ranked 46th in TD leagues.

Also, he is projected to be the 31st best WR this year according to different magazines.
Being projected 31st and being ranked 39th / 46th last year means he should be a 3rd wr at best for your team. (considering most leagues are made up of 10-14 teams)

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[quote=jsarno;466036]Not to pee in your cheerios angry, but Moss ranked 39th last year (in normal leagues) as a fantasy WR. He ranked 46th in TD leagues.

Also, he is projected to be the 31st best WR this year according to different magazines.
Being projected 31st and being ranked 39th / 46th last year means he should be a 3rd wr at best for your team. (considering most leagues are made up of 10-14 teams)[/quote]

Fortunately, the best players in the NFL arent decided by the stats from one season. Name 31 other recievers that made the Pro Bowl in the passed 3 seasons.

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[QUOTE=Angry;466050][b]Fortunately, the best players in the NFL arent decided by the stats from one season. [/b]Name 31 other recievers that made the Pro Bowl in the passed 3 seasons.[/QUOTE]

No, they are judged by what they do over the course of each game, and multiple seasons. You don't look at a player from 3 years ago and say he's a stud now unless he was consistant over those 3 years.

FYI- Moss was 26th in td leagues in 06, 30th in normal leagues in 06.

He has not been a "pro bowler" or a #1 wr since 05. I'm not going to do the math, but I am betting that there are well over 30 players with stats better than Moss' over that 2 year span. Your comment of pro bowl wr's does not hold water due to the fact that was 3 years ago. No one is saying he wasn't great in 05, but he has fallen...and fallen far!
ps- Rod Smith was a pro bowler in 05, does that mean he should be a #1 wr??? By your comment / logic he should be, and we both know that would be crazy to say.

ps- if you can count what happened 3 years ago, why not count 04 when he had only 45 catches for 838 yards????
Saying he's a #1 wr when he has AVERAGED 58 catches, and 799 yards over the past 2 years...well that means we should get another #1. Those numbers are terrible for a #1.

Consistancy is the key.

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[quote=jsarno;466065]No, they are judged by what they do over the course of each game, and multiple seasons. You don't look at a player from 3 years ago and say he's a stud now unless he was consistant over those 3 years.

FYI- Moss was 26th in td leagues in 06, 30th in normal leagues in 06.

He has not been a "pro bowler" or a #1 wr since 05. I'm not going to do the math, but I am betting that there are well over 30 players with stats better than Moss' over that 2 year span. Your comment of pro bowl wr's does not hold water due to the fact that was 3 years ago. No one is saying he wasn't great in 05, but he has fallen...and fallen far!
ps- Rod Smith was a pro bowler in 05, does that mean he should be a #1 wr??? By your comment / logic he should be, and we both know that would be crazy to say.

ps- if you can count what happened 3 years ago, why not count 04 when he had only 45 catches for 838 yards????
Saying he's a #1 wr when he has AVERAGED 58 catches, and 799 yards over the past 2 years...well that means we should get another #1. Those numbers are terrible for a #1.

Consistancy is the key.[/quote]

Look, ask yourself this "How many teams could Moss start for"? "How many teams could he be the number 1 for?" Without exact numbers and based on ability, the answer is "the majority of NFL teams".

I am not talking about stats and all of the other hoopla. Of coarse Moss doesn't have great stats. He was in a shit system with sub-par QB play (nothing against Campbell, Gibbs or Saunders).

If you do want to include numbers, then Moss's YPC speak volumes. He is a game breaker with the ball in his hands (you just gotta get it there first). I am not saying that he is the best, but definately top 30 based on ability, not stats.

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[QUOTE=Angry;466050]Fortunately, the best players in the NFL arent decided by the stats from one season. Name 31 other recievers that made the Pro Bowl in the passed 3 seasons.[/QUOTE]

I can name all the WR's that performed better than him each of the past two years. (albeit some are just slightly)

(in no particular order)

1- Harrison
2- Driver
3- Chad Johnson
4- Wayne
5- Holt
6- Owens
7- Roy Williams
8- Steve Smith
9- Lee Evans
10- Andre Johnson
11- Houshmandzadeh
12- Coles
13- Furrey
14- Javon Walker
15- Colston
16- Boldin
17- Galloway
18- Burress
19- Darryl Jackson
20- Glenn
21- Cotchery
22- Ward
23- Bruce
24- Fitzgerald
25- Mark Clayton
26- Wes Welker
27- Braylon Edwards
28- Reggie Brown
29- Muhammad
30- Randy Moss
31- Brandon Marshall
32- Curtis
33- White
34- Bobby Engram
35- Burleson
36- Mason
37- Jennings
38- Bowe
39- Holmes
40- McDonald
41- Berrian
42- Chambers
43- Walter
44- Crayton

Please note, I am not saying that all these wr's I would take over Moss, just saying they all performed better.

I wish we could live in the 3 years ago, but we can't. I sincerely hope that Moss will be in 05 form this year too...but all signs point to very doubtful.

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[quote=jsarno;466073]I can name all the WR's that performed better than him each of the past two years. (albeit some are just slightly)

(in no particular order)

1- Harrison
2- Driver
3- Chad Johnson
4- Wayne
5- Holt
6- Owens
7- Roy Williams
8- Steve Smith
9- Lee Evans
10- Andre Johnson
11- Houshmandzadeh
12- Coles
13- Furrey
14- Javon Walker
15- Colston
16- Boldin
17- Galloway
18- Burress
19- Darryl Jackson
20- Glenn
21- Cotchery
22- Ward
23- Bruce
24- Fitzgerald
25- Mark Clayton
26- Wes Welker
27- Braylon Edwards
28- Reggie Brown
29- Muhammad
30- Randy Moss
31- Brandon Marshall
32- Curtis
33- White
34- Bobby Engram
35- Burleson
36- Mason
37- Jennings
38- Bowe
39- Holmes
40- McDonald
41- Berrian
42- Chambers
43- Walter
44- Crayton

Please note, I am not saying that all these wr's I would take over Moss, just saying they all performed better.

I wish we could live in the 3 years ago, but we can't.[B] I sincerely hope that Moss will be in 05 form this year too...[I]but all signs point to very doubtful[/I][/B].[/quote]


I hope so as well, but I am curious about what signs make his return to "Pro Bowl form" doubtfull. Be sure to read post 13 as well. I don't think you saw it.

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Moss is a #1 wideout [I]in the NFL[/I], regardless of his stats. He's very fast, runs great routes, and has good hands. His stats are down, because of our QB situation the past few years. If Moss had Manning or Brady throwing to him, he'd set the world on fire.

Moss [i]in fantasy football[/I] has hardly even been a good #3. That is because of his stats -- the only thing that matter in FF. However, I still blame that on our QB situation.

This year, Moss is poised to do much better in FF. We have more receiving threats, our passing attack looks like it will be more aggressive, and Campbell has one more year of experience. That said, I was targeting him in my draft, but he was taken too early. Go figure.

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[QUOTE=Angry;466072]Look, ask yourself this "How many teams could Moss start for"? "How many teams could he be the number 1 for?" Without exact numbers and based on ability, the answer is "the majority of NFL teams".

I am not talking about stats and all of the other hoopla. Of coarse Moss doesn't have great stats. He was in a shit system with sub-par QB play (nothing against Campbell, Gibbs or Saunders).

If you do want to include numbers, then Moss's YPC speak volumes. He is a game breaker with the ball in his hands (you just gotta get it there first). I am not saying that he is the best, but definately top 30 based on ability, not stats.[/QUOTE]

Saying he is a top 30 is not saying much for him. I actually think he has top 15 talent...maybe better...but he never stays healthy, and he doesn't produce like he should including drops.

Moss YPC was 13.2 in 06 which ranked 54th in the NFL (10 or more receptions), in 07 Moss YPC was 14.4 which ranked 45th in the NFL (10 or more receptions).
So to say he is a game breaker is not really accurate anymore. He was in 05, he has fallen in 06 and 07.

How many teams could Moss start for...most of them. But all teams start a min. of 2 wr's. How many would he be #1 on, just a couple at best. But that speaks more to those teams than it does to Moss. Randle El could be a #1 in Tennessee, does that mean he should be our #1? In Arizona last year, Moss would have been a 3, possibly 4. Same in Indy, and in NE.
You are basing your opinions on ability...and I'll agree with you, he has a lot of talent...but there are PLENTY of players that come through the NFL that do not let their talent come to fruition. Talent means only so much when you're not being consistant or producing. You HAVE to judge on productivity! It's not like he's a rookie or anything.

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[QUOTE=Angry;466075]I hope so as well, but I am curious about what signs make his return to "Pro Bowl form" doubtfull. Be sure to read post 13 as well. I don't think you saw it.[/QUOTE]

It just took a while to post all those wr's, so I hadn't seen it at that point.

The drops are a huge sign for me, as well as we just drafted 3 players that should take away chances 2 of whom will fight to eventually be #1. Also, he has played in a full season exactly 1 time. (no surprise 05). Another sign is that Moss didn't "wake up" until Collins was his QB, he didn't build any chemistry with Campbell.

We certainly agree on talent...Moss has a bunch. But I don't trust that he'll be reliable right now...especially when he's had only 2 seasons that would be considered "good". (he's entering into his 8th season)

He is certainly capable if that is a point you're trying to make. But what happens if he slips on a bananna peel in week 3? The man is constantly on the injury report. There are PLENTY of wr's out there that are capable of being #1, but only a handful will actually produce like a #1.

I see your optimism, and with this new system, Moss [b]could[/b] break out again, and for the Skins sake, I hope he does. I'll still wear his jersey!

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Moss has been a product of teams putting double coverage and rolling coverage on Moss because lack of other WR's on our team. This year, teams will have a harder time doing that because all of our WR's have GREAT speed and if they double Moss, they will get burned by someone else. Aso, I agree that Moss needs to do something else this year to make sure he stays healthy. a WR should not be having heel problems or anything that effects his running ability or catching ability, that hurts a wideout ALOT.

Moss is still young and still has plenty left in the tank, and if Moss doesnt return to form this year nad next, it's most likely he wont be. I have actually heard Moss has some of the best hands alot of people have ever seen, and that even though he's small, he will go across the middle and make a catch in traffic. You're crazy if you say Santana is not a true #1.. QB play effects the WR just as the OLine effects the Run game directly. If Santana makes a couple of those catches that he drops and if he doesnt get over thrown a few times from Jason then his stats would be VERY different. I'm willing to bet anyone that Santana will be a top 10 WR this year. We have Chris Cooley,Fred Davis,ARE,Kelly,Davis, and etc (all with breakway speed) what teams have a good enoug hsecondary to double team any player on our offense? Santana will have over 1,200+receiving yards and 9+ TD's

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[QUOTE=4thGenRedskin21;466110]Moss has been a product of teams putting double coverage and rolling coverage on Moss because lack of other WR's on our team. This year, teams will have a harder time doing that because all of our WR's have GREAT speed and if they double Moss, they will get burned by someone else. Aso, I agree that Moss needs to do something else this year to make sure he stays healthy. a WR should not be having heel problems or anything that effects his running ability or catching ability, that hurts a wideout ALOT.

Moss is still young and still has plenty left in the tank, and if Moss doesnt return to form this year nad next, it's most likely he wont be. I have actually heard Moss has some of the best hands alot of people have ever seen, and that even though he's small, he will go across the middle and make a catch in traffic. [/quote]

I agreed with you up to this point for the most part.

[quote]You're crazy if you say Santana is not a true #1..[/quote]

Hello world, I'm crazy!

ps- it's likely the other way around, but whatever.

[quote]QB play effects the WR just as the OLine effects the Run game directly. [b]If Santana makes a couple of those catches that he drops[/b][/quote]

You are right in saying that a QB does matter...however, his drops were 100% HIS fault.

[quote]and if he doesnt get over thrown a few times from Jason then his stats would be VERY different. [/quote]

Everyone gets overthrown. You could also say, if Moss didn't catch some of those difficult to slightly difficult balls things would look A LOT worse. It's funny how we skins fans always see the glass as overflowing instead of half full. If we like someone, we go to the extreme.

[quote]I'm willing to bet anyone that Santana will be a top 10 WR this year.[/quote]
Holy crap...I need some money if you're giving it away.

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Not sure how valid these stats are...

[url=http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html]iWon - NFL League Stats[/url]

Moss had 10 drops last year.
Here's a sample of some other receivers and their drop numbers from last year (along with receiving yards):

Braylon Edwards - 12 (1,289)
Terrell Owens - 10 (1,355)
Randy Moss - 9 (1,493)

Just because a receiver drops passes, doesn't mean they aren't good. I think you are making too big a deal out of Moss' drops, Jsarno.

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It's just like when people were sleeping on Clinton after the 06 season.. They were like "Portis is too old, he's too injury prone, he'll never be the same, blah,blah,blah" all that is nonsense. Moss has been slowed by injuries and inconsistant QB play, also, a lack of other playmakers at the WR spot. But now, that' is all taken care of and anyone who knows anything about football knows that this year, Sanatana probably will be his most dangerous. The WCO will help Moss alot and you will see just how much the change in offense and the new additions will benefit Moss. I'm not a Moss lover, I think he played shotty the past 2 years, but there has been a lackluster offense period, and you can't blame him for that. in 05' teams didnt have film on Santana with us and look waht he did. in 06' teams knew how to defend us and made it VERY predictable.. we didnt have any other threats to compliment santana an ARE.. They could double team and roll coverage towards them and totally take them out the game. They wont be able to do that this year, not at all. Santana is not T.O, but he's not a punk either

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back to the topic, Campbell is def going to be a breakout player.. I just dont see a player like Jason bombing like the 49ers qb, or shit like that. Jason shows promise and everything you want to see in a young QB, he just needs more gametime experience.

I'm sorry but I honestly think Jason is better than Rivers,Eli manning,Roethlisberger, and donovan mcnabb. Yes he makes mistakes, but you cant expect him to not make those because thats how you learn. They say the one thing about Jason is that he's eager to learn, and that says alot about him not only as QB, but as a person.

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There isn't a Redskins fan here who shows more love for Santana Moss than I do, I will NEVER forget that MNF game against Dallas. I would love for him to have another 05 like season this year....he has to! If he doesn't, the writing is on the wall for him. I can see both sides of the back and forth arguments here, on one hand, I think a lot of people here remember that 05 season for Moss and how special he was here, but on the other, the numbers don't lie and Moss's last 2 season have been anything but special....BUT I completely agree about the QB play and the offense being a big part of that.

So, with all that said, we will see this year, because I truly believe that Moss will get his opportunities this year. I wish him ALL the best!

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;466128]Not sure how valid these stats are...

[url=http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html]iWon - NFL League Stats[/url]

Moss had 10 drops last year.
Here's a sample of some other receivers and their drop numbers from last year (along with receiving yards):

Braylon Edwards - 12 (1,289)
Terrell Owens - 10 (1,355)
Randy Moss - 9 (1,493)

Just because a receiver drops passes, doesn't mean they aren't good. I think you are making too big a deal out of Moss' drops, Jsarno.[/QUOTE]

You may be right, and certain games stick out in my mind with drops.

You are forgetting 2 things though, the amount of targets and the reception to drop ratio:
Randy Moss was targeted 159 times, 9 drops. (1 drop every 17.67 targets)
Edwards was targeted 153 times, 12 drops. (1 drop every 12.75 targets)
Owens was targeted 141 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 14.1 targets)
Moss was targeted 115 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 11.5 targets)

If we compare their respective receptions vs drops, Santana's is worse again:
Randy Moss drops a pass every 10.89 receptions.
Edwards drops a pass every 6.67 receptions.
Owens drops a pass every 8.1 receptions.
Moss drops a pass every 6.1 receptions.

So while Edwards dropped more than he should have, they all are significantly better than Santana. Also, we are pretty vocal about how crappy Owens hands are and he drops more passes than anyone, so to compare Santana to Owens isn't exactly proving anything, especially when Owens actually catches more.

I think we've all said what needed to be said. We are all hoping Moss returns to form. There is no doubt he has not been what we have needed him to be the past two years, and there seems to be no doubt that Santana has the talent. Like redskins247 says, if he doesn't return to form, the writing is on the wall. I love his hustle, and his intensity...he's fun to watch, and I'll root for him as loudly as ever this year, but I certainly avoided him in fantasy leagues. I am BEGGING him to show me that was a bad move on my part!

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[quote=jsarno;466259]You may be right, and certain games stick out in my mind with drops.

You are forgetting 2 things though, the amount of targets and the reception to drop ratio:
Randy Moss was targeted 159 times, 9 drops. (1 drop every 17.67 targets)
Edwards was targeted 153 times, 12 drops. (1 drop every 12.75 targets)
Owens was targeted 141 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 14.1 targets)
Moss was targeted 115 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 11.5 targets)

If we compare their respective receptions vs drops, Santana's is worse again:
Randy Moss drops a pass every 10.89 receptions.
Edwards drops a pass every 6.67 receptions.
Owens drops a pass every 8.1 receptions.
Moss drops a pass every 6.1 receptions.

So while Edwards dropped more than he should have, they all are significantly better than Santana. Also, we are pretty vocal about how crappy Owens hands are and he drops more passes than anyone, so to compare Santana to Owens isn't exactly proving anything, especially when Owens actually catches more.

I think we've all said what needed to be said. We are all hoping Moss returns to form. There is no doubt he has not been what we have needed him to be the past two years, and there seems to be no doubt that Santana has the talent. Like redskins247 says, if he doesn't return to form, the writing is on the wall. I love his hustle, and his intensity...he's fun to watch, and I'll root for him as loudly as ever this year, but I certainly avoided him in fantasy leagues. I am BEGGING him to show me that was a bad move on my part![/quote]Good info. Moss definately did not help the team last year, especially while Campbell was the QB.

I don't think that means he CAN'T help the team this year. If he produces something like his 2006 season, which was in the middle of his 2007 and 2005 production, I think he can be a valuable contributor for us.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;466266]Good info. Moss definately did not help the team last year, especially while Campbell was the QB.

I don't think that means he CAN'T help the team this year. If he produces something like his 2006 season, which was in the middle of his 2007 and 2005 production, I think he can be a valuable contributor for us.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

I'll be ecstatic if he produces like he did the last 3 weeks of the season:
15 catches, 261 yards and 2 tds. That would translate to 80 catches 1392 yards and 11 tds over the course of a full season.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;466036]Not to pee in your cheerios angry, but Moss ranked 39th last year (in normal leagues) as a fantasy WR. He ranked 46th in TD leagues.

Also, he is projected to be the 31st best WR this year according to different magazines.
Being projected 31st and being ranked 39th / 46th last year means he should be a 3rd wr at best for your team. (considering most leagues are made up of 10-14 teams)[/QUOTE]

jsarno..........I agree with you on your post with one exception. When Moss plays Dallas he is a elite receiver. I know that we don't have the luxury to play Dallas 16 games, but Moss is a Cowboy killer and for two games he is a MUST START.

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[QUOTE=Miller101;466361]jsarno..........I agree with you on your post with one exception. When Moss plays Dallas he is a elite receiver. I know that we don't have the luxury to play Dallas 16 games, but Moss is a Cowboy killer and for two games he is a MUST START.[/QUOTE]

Very true!

Here are his games vs Dallas:
2007
8 / 115 / 1
9 / 121 / 1
2006
4 / 69 / 0
2005
2 / 73 / 0
5 / 159 / 2
2003 *-with jets
5 / 65 / 0

In 6 games, he has 33 catches, 602 yards, and 4 tds.

If all Moss did was play Dallas over a full 16 game season, he'd have 88 catches, 1607 yards, and 11 tds. Yeah, that's certainly a coyboy killer. Gotta love that.

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[quote=jsarno;466453]Very true!

Here are his games vs Dallas:
2007
8 / 115 / 1
9 / 121 / 1
2006
4 / 69 / 0
2005
2 / 73 / 0
5 / 159 / 2
2003 *-with jets
5 / 65 / 0

In 6 games, he has 33 catches, 602 yards, and 4 tds.

If all Moss did was play Dallas over a full 16 game season, he'd have 88 catches, 1607 yards, and 11 tds. Yeah, that's certainly a coyboy killer. Gotta love that.[/quote]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]All I have to say is after seeing Moss in training camp he is the fastest man in the East. If we (JC) gets the ball to him in this season and next, and the next, the man is a HOFer for sure. Go MOSS... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]P.S. I'm a little biased because I have like 7 sigs of his on everything Skins stuff I own. ha ha..[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;466128]Not sure how valid these stats are...

[URL="http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html"]iWon - NFL League Stats[/URL]

Moss had 10 drops last year.
Here's a sample of some other receivers and their drop numbers from last year (along with receiving yards):

Braylon Edwards - 12 (1,289)
Terrell Owens - 10 (1,355)
Randy Moss - 9 (1,493)

Just because a receiver drops passes, doesn't mean they aren't good. I think you are making too big a deal out of Moss' drops, Jsarno.[/quote]

Another thing to consider when looking at these 3 WR's is their QBs. Sure they may have dropped some balls, but Derek Anderson, Tom Brady, and Tony Romo were all pro-bowlers last year. And all three teams had very good offenses overall. So despite those drops, they were on offenses that consistently moved the chains, and saw tons of great throws come their way from those signal callers.

And 4thGenRedskin- I love JC too, but to say he's better than Roethlisberger or McNabb at this point is premature. That said, I do think he's better than Eli, who caught lightning in a bottle (sparked by their D) late last season. Eli was 25th in passer rating and let the league in INTs. He has yet to prove his worth as a consistent starter, despite the ring. And I personally think Philip Rivers is doo doo. And arrogant as hell too.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

I know this was supposed to be a Campbell thread, but on Redskins tailgate right now they're talking about how Moss has fallen off, and they're talking about the same numbers Jsarno has been quoting - hasn't been in the top 30, etc etc. But they're saying he's healthier now than he has been since '04. Hopefully he has a WCO season like Bobby Engram had last year....

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

I hope last night was not what a break out season looks like.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

[QUOTE=firstdown;467197]I hope last night was not what a break out season looks like.[/QUOTE]

what happened last night?

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]All I have to say is after seeing Moss in training camp he is the fastest man in the East. If we (JC) gets the ball to him in this season and next, and the next, the man is a HOFer for sure. Go MOSS... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][b]P.S. I'm a little biased because I have like 7 sigs of his on everything Skins stuff I own. ha ha..[/b][/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

That's funny. I hope for your sake that's true...but even if he has 3 pro bowl seasons from here, he likely still won't make the HOF.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

Campbell is scaring me. I know he didn't have much in the way of pass protection but his surrounding players don't look like they have faith in him. Moss is a habitual offender of this but the O-line doesn't seem to care when he gets blasted during a sack.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;467448]Campbell is scaring me. I know he didn't have much in the way of pass protection but his surrounding players don't look like they have faith in him. Moss is a habitual offender of this but the O-line doesn't seem to care when he gets blasted during a sack.[/quote]

You might be overthinking the issue with your psychoanalysis. I'm concerned after watching the game in Carolina last Saturday (think it was bad on TV, try watching from inside Bank of America Stadium, brutal). I'm not ready to buy into your lack of faith thesis though.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;467692]You might be overthinking the issue with your psychoanalysis. I'm concerned after watching the game in Carolina last Saturday (think it was bad on TV, try watching from inside Bank of America Stadium, brutal). I'm not ready to buy into your lack of faith thesis though.[/quote]

yeah too many assumptions there to take it seriously.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

[quote=jsarno;467327]what happened last night?[/quote]
Not much.

Re: ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?
 

I dont look for campbell to be MVP this year..but i look for him to have his best season. Cooley is a everydown threat, You have another solid pass catching tight end in fred davis. Thrash is always consistent and randle el is the man. Moss however, i have doubts about this year contributing to the numbers. Perhaps thats why we invested in the 2 wideouts in the draft? Make a solid move towards bigger recievers instead of the speed team?