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Luxorreb 09-01-2008 04:11 AM

Opening Day draft grade?
 
Please grade the Redskins- Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato and their draft choices as a whole at present. Skins kept them all, how many will actively contribute and at what price?

That Guy 09-01-2008 07:28 AM

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tryon is a total waste.
safeties are both looking like good picks, same with the punter.
TE will contribute this year for sure, WRs weren't expected to do much and they won't...
jackson and udfa fincher look like good low level depth, reinhart is a good backup.
colt looks like he could eventually be a good starter...

about what was expected to happen on draft day. one moderate miss, a couple slight values in the safeties and colt, and slow WR development.

Paintrain 09-01-2008 08:38 AM

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incomplete

please ask again in 12-24 months

charlielyons 09-01-2008 09:26 AM

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I agree with most of this. Tyron is gonna need alot of work. Both safties will be good. Fred Davis will be solid and help Cooley to get open in the red zone and give Campbell another target. Brooks punting should be fine, but his key role now is holder. The WRs will contribute next year. Rinehart is a future starter on this team. Im a firm believer Colt is our future (he was Zorns choice, Campbell was Gibbs)[quote=That Guy;470014]tryon is a total waste.
safeties are both looking like good picks, same with the punter.
TE will contribute this year for sure, WRs weren't expected to do much and they won't...
jackson and udfa fincher look like good low level depth, reinhart is a good backup.
colt looks like he could eventually be a good starter...

about what was expected to happen on draft day. one moderate miss, a couple slight values in the safeties and colt, and slow WR development.[/quote]

GTripp0012 09-01-2008 10:36 AM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
I gave it a C- the day after the draft, because I looked at what we got on the first day: Devin Thomas, a one hit wonder receiver in college who seemed to be a fourth round value, Fred Davis a top second round talent TE who we got good value on, filled a minor need, but will be blocked by Cooley, and the oft-injured, but incredibly talented Malcolm Kelly.

So far, those three have been exactly what we've thought they would be. Devin Thomas looks like a rookie overmatched in the NFL, and we'll re-evaluate at this time next year. Davis looked very good in preseason, but still happens to be blocked by Cooley. Kelly has been injured.

However, the second day picks have been far better than expected. I wasn't expecting both Kareem Moore and Chris Horton to play so well, which makes up for Tryon playing so poorly. Chad Rinehart played very well in the preseason, albeit inconsistently at LT. Brooks won the punting matchup, and Colt Brennan looks like he has some sort of future in this league.

So based on the strength of the second day, I raise my grade from C- to C+.

rypper11 09-01-2008 10:54 AM

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First day: F
I didn't like the WR picks then and hate them even more know. Thus far, we've gotten plenty of excuses from them and they've shown their poor work habits. Davis will be real good and will have to team with Cooley to be an every down receiving threat.

Second day:A-
I think each of the picks will contribute this year and for years to come (except for Tryon who will only help the team by boosting the morale of the receivers who torch him in practice week in and week out).

dmvskinzfan08 09-01-2008 11:07 AM

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I can see everyone developing into a decent or good player except Tryon. I dont even knowhow he made the team. It still puzzles me. I hope that he wasn't kept just to make the draft look good. Because he is horrible. A waste of the roster spot. Yeah he needs alot of work and like 2-3 more inches. I dont think you should draft CBs under 5'9 anymore atleast 5'10 minimum. This is a league of TO..Randy Moss..Chad Johnson..Reggie Williams..the superb stars are over 6'0 and the ones who aren't will burn you..like moss or steve smith,etc. He doesn't have the speed or the size. If they had cut him. I would have gave the draft grade a B- minus. But since they kept him. I give them a C- minus. Just for being stupid.

skinsnut 09-01-2008 11:15 AM

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[quote=rypper11;470060]
Tryon who will only help the team by boosting the morale of the receivers who torch him in practice week in and week out.[/quote]


I agree.
The reason they kept Tryon is to build the confidence of the rookie receivers who have sucked so far...they need a morale booster.

53Fan 09-01-2008 12:07 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=charlielyons;470027]I agree with most of this. Tyron is gonna need alot of work. Both safties will be good. Fred Davis will be solid and help Cooley to get open in the red zone and give Campbell another target. Brooks punting should be fine, but his key role now is holder. The WRs will contribute next year. Rinehart is a future starter on this team. Im a firm believer Colt is our future (he was Zorns choice, Campbell was Gibbs)[/quote]

I agree and give them a B. If the receivers reach their potential (If not this year then next) this could be one of our best drafts in years. Horton looks like a baller and he was a 7th round pick. Also Jackson. If Erasmus James plays at a high level, then he's a steal for a 7th rounder next year. Of course hind-sight is 20-20 so we shall see.

JoeRedskin 09-01-2008 12:25 PM

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I'll tell you on opening day 2010.

As for our 2006 Draft Grade - B

Round 1: (Traded for JC pick in 2005)
Round 2: Rocky
Round 3: (Traded for Ducket)(I think)
Round 4: (Traded to move up for Rocky)
Round 5: Anthony Montgomery
Round 6: Doughty
Round 6: Golston
Round 7: Kili Lefotu
Round 7: Kevin Simon

Hitting on a 5th and 2 6ths is pretty damn good no matter how you cut it. If his knees, hold out, Rocky is definitely a keeper. It appears that we got 4 quality starters, plus facilitated the trade for our (hopefully) franchise QB. Both 7's were whiffs, but they mostly are. The trade for Duckett ? <sigh>

MTK 09-01-2008 12:56 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
Too early to give anyone a meaningful grade. I'll say incomplete, extra work required.

Jamaican'Skin 09-01-2008 01:59 PM

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I'll give it a "See Me After Class"

Ruhskins 09-01-2008 02:23 PM

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I think it is too early to tell. Otherwise I would have to give you something along the lines that Thomas and Kelly were a waste of picks and Tryon should have been picked in the 6th round. And given the preseason play Davis, Rinehart, Horton, Jackson, and Brooks were good picks; and mancrush Colt was a bit of a steal and a good player that can develop into a really good backup and later on a starter for the future.

budw38 09-01-2008 03:15 PM

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[quote=Mattyk72;470117]Too early to give anyone a meaningful grade. I'll say incomplete, extra work required.[/quote]
I would have to agree with that . As far as Tryon , B. Wilburn looked bad his first 2 years and he and B. davis made major contributions to the 1987 Super Champion Washington Redskins . Hopefully Kelly and Thomas are tough and will work very hard at being the best WR's possible .

redskinjim 09-01-2008 04:06 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
both recievers picks were a waste. we need help at safety where we could have gotten kenny phillips whome we will see playing for the giants thursday night.

memphisskin 09-01-2008 04:35 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
Grade B.

The receivers will surprise, Rhinehart looks like a keeper, and Tryon will develop into the nickel back covering the slot. Whats not to like?

redskinjim, I agree that we may have blown it by passing on Phillips. But I think Thomas and Kelly will make an impact before this year is out.

RMSkins 09-01-2008 05:38 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
If I had to give grades to our rookies just based on preseason results mine would be:
Devin Thomas F: He looks flat out scared when he is on the field. Tenative on Kick returns, let's the ball come to his body instead of catching it with his hands, and from what we're hearing he can't grasp the playbook. Hopefully Devin can turn things around, but it doesn't look like we'll be seeing to much productivity from him in a few years. I think he has a 50% chance to be a flat out bust.

Malcolm Kelly F/Inc: Have to give him an F because he can't even get on the field. Chronic health problems have to concern the FO. If Kelly can ever get healthy I think he will end up being more productive than Thomas.

Fred Davis B-: I would like to see improve his blocking, but he looks to be a keeper. I expect Davis to be the most productive out of the "big three" this season.

Chad Rinehart C: Looks great one game looks awful the next. I do like his versatility on the line though given that he can play Tackle and Guard. Hopefully he can become more consistent.

Justin Tryon F: Has a big mouth, but he can't back up any of his talk. I have no idea how he made the roster. Almost every time I saw an opposing receiver catch the ball I would see Tryon running behind him.

Durant Brooks C-: Was outperformed by Frost in the preseason which isn't a very good sign. I will give Brooks the benefit of the doubt, but he hasn't shown me anything yet.

Kareem Moore B-: Needs to work on his angles a bit, but I fully expect him to become a major contributer with us. He showed me that he can come up and play the run, he's a solid tackler, and he looks decent in coverage. So far he's probably the pick I am most excited about. I am a bit concerned with his knee though.

Rob Jackson C+: A prototypical speed rusher. I like his hustle, but he seems to disappear a lot. He also needs to work on his run game.

Chris Horton B-: I think Chris, like Kareem, will become a major contributer for us in the near future. He needs to work on his tackling a bit, and he wasn't really tested in coverage to much, but he is a good blitzer and he can play special teams.

Colt Brennan B: Definitely the most productive player out of all the draft picks. So far Colt looks like he can contribute at some level in the NFL. I think Colt is going to end up being a good #2 in his career, who knows, maybe he can become a starter, but he still has a lot of work to do before he can achieve that.

Remember, before anyone decides to blast me, that these grades are based PURELY off of preseason performances, and things that the coaches have said about the players.

That Guy 09-01-2008 05:44 PM

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i was all about getting us some kenny phillips, but we'll see how it goes.

RMSkins 09-01-2008 05:47 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=That Guy;470014]tryon is a total waste.
safeties are both looking like good picks, same with the punter.
TE will contribute this year for sure, WRs weren't expected to do much and they won't...
jackson and udfa fincher look like good low level depth, reinhart is a good backup.
colt looks like he could eventually be a good starter...

about what was expected to happen on draft day. one moderate miss, a couple slight values in the safeties and colt, and slow WR development.[/quote]
Fincher is not an UDFA, he was with the Lions the last two seasons.

That Guy 09-01-2008 05:57 PM

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frost DID NOT outperform brooks... frost had a higher punt average, but his net (punt yardage - return yardage) was 2 yards worse. frost kicks line drives and the coverage teams can't get there fast enough - brooks kicks moonshots.

That Guy 09-01-2008 06:01 PM

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[quote=RMSkins;470203]Fincher is not an UDFA, he was with the Lions the last two seasons.[/quote]

[url=http://www.alfredfincher.com/articles/2005/article0501.htm]index2[/url]

sorry, he was just an FA then... as for the lions... when correcting someone, it's probably a good idea to check your facts. 3rd round pick, 3 seasons with the SAINTS.

RMSkins 09-01-2008 06:13 PM

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[quote=That Guy;470208][URL="http://www.alfredfincher.com/articles/2005/article0501.htm"]index2[/URL]

sorry, he was just an FA then... as for the lions... when correcting someone, it's probably a good idea to check your facts. 3rd round pick, 3 seasons with the SAINTS.[/quote]
You're partially right he was with the Saints for 2 seasons 05-07, and he was with the Lions this offseason before we picked him up, that's what messed me up. But I will admit that I was wrong, and so were you so I guess we're even.

Dirtbag59 09-01-2008 06:26 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
For what it's worth, this is how some other noteworthy Rookie Recievers performed during the preseason.

James Hardy - 3 Rec 46 Yds 1 TD
Jordy Nelson - 5 Rec 48 Yds
Donnie Avery - 6 Rec 72 Yds
Jerome Simpson - 11 Rec 157 Yds
Andre Caldwell - 3 Rec 22 Yds
Mario Manningham - 8 Rec 82 Yds
Eddie Royal - 4 Rec 80 Yds
Desean Jackson - 16 Rec 189 Yds
Limas Sweed - 8 Rec 60 Yds
Dexter Jackson - 3 Rec 28 Yds
Devin Thomas - 2 Rec 7 Yds

Last years rookies during 2007 Preseason
Calvin Johnson 6 Rec 79 yds
Dwayne Jarrett 4 Rec 77 yds
Craig Davis - 5 Rec 68 Yds
Sidney Rice - 8 Rec 53 yds
Ted Ginn Jr - 4 Rec 38 yds
Dwayne Bowe - 1 Rec 21 yds

My point is while it helps it still only means so much. For God's sake Dwayne Bowe had 1 reception for 21 yards and ended up leading all rookies in recieving yards last year. Ted Ginn Jr. didn't do anything special while this year he's starting to look a lot better with experience under his belt (plus a new QB that's perfect for his skillset). Anthony Gonzalez didn't even show up through 10 pages of stats nor did Steve Smith (Giants 2nd Round pick last year).

Honestly I'm a little nervous about Thomas's performance but we knew we were getting a project when we drafted him. Give him time. On top of that Thomas missed two preseason games and missed a lot of time in camp. Given a chance to learn the system he has the chance to be the guy we envisioned him being upon drafting him, but for now stay away from the panic button.

RMSkins 09-01-2008 06:28 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=That Guy;470207]frost DID NOT outperform brooks... frost had a higher punt average, but his net (punt yardage - return yardage) was 2 yards worse. frost kicks line drives and the coverage teams can't get there fast enough - brooks kicks moonshots.[/quote]
For us to use a draft pick on a punter, supposedely the best punter in college, he better be able to come in here and wipe the floor with a mediocre Derrick Frost, and he didn't even come close to doing that.

MTK 09-01-2008 06:40 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;470218]For what it's worth, this is how some other noteworthy Rookie Recievers performed during the preseason.

James Hardy - 3 Rec 46 Yds 1 TD
Jordy Nelson - 5 Rec 48 Yds
Donnie Avery - 6 Rec 72 Yds
Jerome Simpson - 11 Rec 157 Yds
Andre Caldwell - 3 Rec 22 Yds
Mario Manningham - 8 Rec 82 Yds
Eddie Royal - 4 Rec 80 Yds
Desean Jackson - 16 Rec 189 Yds
Limas Sweed - 8 Rec 60 Yds
Dexter Jackson - 3 Rec 28 Yds
Devin Thomas - 2 Rec 7 Yds

Last years rookies during 2007 Preseason
Calvin Johnson 6 Rec 79 yds
Dwayne Jarrett 4 Rec 77 yds
Craig Davis - 5 Rec 68 Yds
Sidney Rice - 8 Rec 53 yds
Ted Ginn Jr - 4 Rec 38 yds
Dwayne Bowe - 1 Rec 21 yds

My point is while it helps it still only means so much. For God's sake Dwayne Bowe had 1 reception for 21 yards and ended up leading all rookies in recieving yards last year. Ted Ginn Jr. didn't do anything special while this year he's starting to look a lot better with experience under his belt (plus a new QB that's perfect for his skillset). Anthony Gonzalez didn't even show up through 10 pages of stats nor did Steve Smith (Giants 2nd Round pick last year).

Honestly I'm a little nervous about Thomas's performance but we knew we were getting a project when we drafted him. Give him time. On top of that Thomas missed two preseason games and missed a lot of time in camp. Given a chance to learn the system he has the chance to be the guy we envisioned him being upon drafting him, but for now stay away from the panic button.[/quote]

Good post

That Guy 09-01-2008 08:00 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=RMSkins;470213]You're partially right he was with the Saints for 2 seasons 05-07, and he was with the Lions this offseason before we picked him up, that's what messed me up. But I will admit that I was wrong, and so were you so I guess we're even.[/quote]

no, check nfl.com, he was with the saints for 3 season, 05, 06, 07 - he played in games for them in all three. thanks though.

That Guy 09-01-2008 08:02 PM

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[quote=RMSkins;470220]For us to use a draft pick on a punter, supposedely the best punter in college, he better be able to come in here and wipe the floor with a mediocre Derrick Frost, and he didn't even come close to doing that.[/quote]

a) he's a rookie
b) he wasn't drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.
c) he still beat him in the stat that matters, net average.

jeez.

skinsfan_nn 09-01-2008 08:36 PM

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I would generalize this overall draft as just average at best: C

But clearly to me the first day moves are questionable, 2 WR's and a TE in the second round. WR's are always a gamble making the transition to the NFL. As we have seen with both Thomas and Kelly and many others that have come and gone in this league. With that said I think/hope in the long run both these kids can be productive, maybe we can get a little something out of at least one of the two this year?

I do like the Rinehart, Brennan & Davis draft picks, I think these where all smart moves.

I'll take a wait and see approach with all picks, except one. Tryon should have been cut.

RMSkins 09-01-2008 10:11 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=That Guy;470250]a) he's a rookie
b) he wasn't drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.
c) he still beat him in the stat that matters, net average.

jeez.[/quote]
I don't buy the rookie excuse for a punter, there isn't that much of a learning curve. The point is Brooks didn't convincingly outperform Frost, and Frost is in the bottom tier of NFL punters. That really worries me. Like I said, I will give Brooks and the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt, but I really don't believe that Brooks is going to be that much of an upgrade.

doughtydoubter 09-01-2008 10:36 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
You know what? im prepared to give the redskins a "B" for this draft.
Brooks WILL be good, that is just a matter of time. The man can boot it he was drafted for a reason.I firmly believe that under Zorns tutiledge we may have the quaterback of the future in Colt. Lets be honest...every coach wants that prject qb, and colt is perfect for zorn and has shown much promise in college and in preseason. Fred davis look slike a keeper and i expect yoders job security to be questioned when davis gets his blocking down a bit better, but still for all the negative things people said about his blocking skills when drafted he didnt nearly look as bad at the task as i had expected.
Im willing to tryon and malcolm kelly a free pass for now. Based on the fact that dbs take a little while to develop and kelly while having phenomonal hands cant get on the field.
Devin thomas i think gets the lowest grade in the draft...although he could get rid of his jitters and hopefully emerge he definitely will have a trial by fire if moss or randle el cannot stay healthy.
Moore and horton..i love these guys, horton is awesome and i look for him to take over the spot when doughty fails. Moore is solid and i think will emerge to be a steady backup on this team.
Jsckson, i was weary of this guy at first, but he impressed with his speed. For the value at the pick..ill take him
and rhinehart...i love this guy i think he will be a longtime starter for the redskins when he cracks the roster...versatile, nasty and tough. Madden loves him too.
Over all...(depending on the big three)
I think the draft was a glaring success...EVERYONE made the team, we added youth..and it cost us naught. for the next frew years if these players develop it allows us to free that cap space

Defensewins 09-02-2008 10:21 AM

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[quote=redskinjim;470176]both recievers picks were a waste. we need help at safety where we could have gotten kenny phillips whome we will see playing for the giants thursday night.[/quote]

Great post.
Given huge hole that ST's death has created in the center of our defensive backfield, and combined with my opinion that that Doughty is not the long term answer, I have serious concerns about our defense. I hope I am wrong.
Doughty has to be protected and former coach Williams was a master of helping Doughty, Doughty is the weak link. Our defense has holes that will be exploited at times this year. I am worried about the most basic skill a decent defense has to have, stop the run. I do not see the players there, namely our depth on defensive line, LB's and most importantly safety IMO is very suspect.
And our FO decided to go offense on most of our picks this year. Picking a second string TE high is a luxory pick a super bowl contender uses, not the current Redskins.
Plus add in that our backup WR's outplayed our awesome WR draft picks.
One telling fact is if you put S. Moss, ARE and Doughty on a draft board, it is clear who the lesser player and weakness is.
It is not good in the short term and a risky gamble to cut better players in favor of draft picks that are not playing well right now. We may have some misfires early in the season. I hope not.

SC Skins Fan 09-02-2008 10:49 AM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=RMSkins;470198]If I had to give grades to our rookies just based on preseason results mine would be:
Devin Thomas F: He looks flat out scared when he is on the field. Tenative on Kick returns, let's the ball come to his body instead of catching it with his hands, and from what we're hearing he can't grasp the playbook. Hopefully Devin can turn things around, but it doesn't look like we'll be seeing to much productivity from him in a few years. I think he has a 50% chance to be a flat out bust.

Malcolm Kelly F/Inc: Have to give him an F because he can't even get on the field. Chronic health problems have to concern the FO. If Kelly can ever get healthy I think he will end up being more productive than Thomas.

Fred Davis B-: I would like to see improve his blocking, but he looks to be a keeper. I expect Davis to be the most productive out of the "big three" this season.

Chad Rinehart C: Looks great one game looks awful the next. I do like his versatility on the line though given that he can play Tackle and Guard. Hopefully he can become more consistent.

Justin Tryon F: Has a big mouth, but he can't back up any of his talk. I have no idea how he made the roster. Almost every time I saw an opposing receiver catch the ball I would see Tryon running behind him.

Durant Brooks C-: Was outperformed by Frost in the preseason which isn't a very good sign. I will give Brooks the benefit of the doubt, but he hasn't shown me anything yet.

Kareem Moore B-: Needs to work on his angles a bit, but I fully expect him to become a major contributer with us. He showed me that he can come up and play the run, he's a solid tackler, and he looks decent in coverage. So far he's probably the pick I am most excited about. I am a bit concerned with his knee though.

Rob Jackson C+: A prototypical speed rusher. I like his hustle, but he seems to disappear a lot. He also needs to work on his run game.

Chris Horton B-: I think Chris, like Kareem, will become a major contributer for us in the near future. He needs to work on his tackling a bit, and he wasn't really tested in coverage to much, but he is a good blitzer and he can play special teams.

Colt Brennan B: Definitely the most productive player out of all the draft picks. So far Colt looks like he can contribute at some level in the NFL. I think Colt is going to end up being a good #2 in his career, who knows, maybe he can become a starter, but he still has a lot of work to do before he can achieve that.

Remember, before anyone decides to blast me, that these grades are based PURELY off of preseason performances, and things that the coaches have said about the players.[/quote]

Nice post. I think the C+ on Jackson might be too generous. If he is a prototypical speed rusher then how come he only got to the passer once (against Indianapolis) and only when he was completely unblocked. Ideally he should have gone on to the practice squad.

Your point on Moore and his taking bad angles is spot on. He took some horrible angles against Carolina and is a big reason why long runs turned into long touchdown runs. But he also showed some athleticism and you can improve the other stuff.

EXoffender 09-02-2008 10:53 AM

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Opening Day Grade? C. Davis will be a solid pro but has to prove himself with limited playing time right off the bat. He will do just that. Rinehart is best suited as a G and looks good there. Moore and Horton are promising special teamers and backups. Jackson was a good depth pick and a backup plan for drafting Calais Campbell in the 2nd (oh, we didn't draft Campbell you say?). Brooks should pan out and Brennan feels like a future winning-QB. Tryon right now, looks lost but, should get better with more practice and coaching. Did our scouts know the extent of Kelly's injuries? It looks like there's only one rookie WR who's really playing like they were worthy of a first round grade and I think that under the circumstances of having a new offense and a roster without much depth at WR, that drafting Thomas and Kelly (+Davis) wasn't a terrible idea. We lost Philip Daniels after the draft right? Doesn't drafting Brooks seems to be a wasted pick now that four year veteran punter/holder Frost stepped it up just recently? Who knew? You just got to go with the team you're delt...

EXoffender 09-02-2008 11:12 AM

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;470372]Nice post. I think the C+ on Jackson might be too generous. If he is a prototypical speed rusher then how come he only got to the passer once (against Indianapolis) and only when he was completely unblocked. Ideally he should have gone on to the practice squad.

Your point on Moore and his taking bad angles is spot on. He took some horrible angles against Carolina and is a big reason why long runs turned into long touchdown runs. But he also showed some athleticism and you can improve the other stuff.[/quote]Jackson has a least two sacks this preseason. I agree with you both. Moore can improve but, who knew that Landry would be down for so long? In hindsight, maybe looking to stay in the first round and drafting a safety would give a lot of security now but, a even better scenario would've been drafting Tyrell Johnson from Arkansas State (Minn) in the second.

That Guy 09-02-2008 11:21 AM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=EXoffender;470375]Opening Day Grade? C. Davis will be a solid pro but has to prove himself with limited playing time right off the bat. He will do just that. Rinehart is best suited as a G and looks good there. Moore and Horton are promising special teamers and backups. Jackson was a good depth pick and a backup plan for drafting Calais Campbell in the 2nd (oh, we didn't draft Campbell you say?). Brooks should pan out and Brennan feels like a future winning-QB. Tryon right now, looks lost but, should get better with more practice and coaching. Did our scouts know the extent of Kelly's injuries? It looks like there's only one rookie WR who's really playing like they were worthy of a first round grade and I think that under the circumstances of having a new offense and a roster without much depth at WR, that drafting Thomas and Kelly (+Davis) wasn't a terrible idea. We lost Philip Daniels after the draft right? Doesn't drafting Brooks seems to be a wasted pick now that four year veteran punter/holder Frost stepped it up just recently? Who knew? You just got to go with the team you're delt...[/quote]

frost was punting better, but still hitting line drives and giving up big returns.

C.Davis = F.Davis i assume, and i like him as an instant offensive boost too.

That Guy 09-02-2008 11:26 AM

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jackson does have two sacks... 1st one came at indy, which doesn't show up on nfl.com without clicking on the game log link (only shows 3 most recent games on the snapshot profile)

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/robjackson/gamelogs?id=JAC492068"]Rob Jackson: Game Logs[/URL]

SouperMeister 09-02-2008 12:26 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=Luxorreb;470011]Please grade the Redskins- Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato and their draft choices as a whole at present. Skins kept them all, how many will actively contribute and at what price?[/quote]Likely contributors this season include:[LIST][*]Durant Brooks[*]Fred Davis[/LIST]Possible Contributors:[LIST][*]Malcolm Kelly (if he ever gets healthy)[*]Devin Thomas (if he learns how to run a 6 yard route on 3rd and 5)[*]Chad Rinehart (solid depth if OL has injuries)[*]Rookie safeties (mostly on special teams)[/LIST]Rob Jackson probably won't get PT, but could help on special teams. If Colt Brennan is called on this year, that would be very bad, indicating some calamity at the QB position. How Tryon is still on this team is beyond me.

SC Skins Fan 09-02-2008 01:33 PM

Re: Opening Day draft grade?
 
[quote=EXoffender;470381]Jackson has a least two sacks this preseason. I agree with you both. Moore can improve but, who knew that Landry would be down for so long? In hindsight, maybe looking to stay in the first round and drafting a safety would give a lot of security now but, a even better scenario would've been drafting Tyrell Johnson from Arkansas State (Minn) in the second.[/quote]

You're right on Jackson. I missed the Jets game because I was studying for comps so that is why it didn't come to mind I guess. He still didn't do much to impress me during the games and my impression was that he was actually slower off the ball than I'd like to see. But he's a 7th round pick, so obviously he's not going to be Dwight Freeny. Maybe a C+ graded on a curve (i.e. accounting for his low draft status). I still think he could have made it through waivers pretty easily and could have spent the year on the practice squad. Which would have allowed Billy McMullen to hang around.

I agree with you that Tyrell Johnson looks like a good idea in hindsight. He went 43rd, though, so that would have meant skipping on Thomas and taking Johnson at 34. I think most of us were pretty excited about getting Thomas at the top of the 2nd.


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