JC is not what I thought.
 

Hey I love this team, but that was pitiful. That guy is ???????. Just my opinion, but that JC kid was pathetic with that QB play. The Giants knew it from the start.

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Man although i agree, you are really asking for it with this thread

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i agree with you, he continues to hestiate on his throws. for someone who says he has trust in his receviers he sure is not showing it

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........no turnovers, 1 sack against a great d-line, no help from the receivers I don't get how he was pathetic?

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Not good tonight. I don't know what else to say.

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[quote=WaldSkins;472490]Man although i agree, you are really asking for it with this thread[/quote]

Schneed will be around with his "Retarded Thread" very soon.

:goodjob:

While I agree JC was pretty pathetic, I'm not ready to give up on him. It's a new offense, first week. Give him some more time.

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[quote=WaldSkins;472490]Man although i agree, you are really asking for it with this thread[/quote]

That wasn't a joke. I'm not asking for jack. I'm asking for a QB that isn't a bitch.

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[quote=WaldSkins;472490]Man although i agree, you are really asking for it with this thread[/quote]

yeah he is,but I think any thread started right now criticizing anybody is asking for trouble,your labeled a traitor even if you have valid points,and especially dont pick the skins to lose or you might get a pm saying what a sorry mfker you are

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someone give me the definition of pathetic please?

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[quote=wilsowilso;472506]That wasn't a joke. I'm not asking for jack. I'm asking for a QB that isn't a bitch.[/quote]

hmmm.. now that's what I call an insult!

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There's much more to it than the play of your QB. JC didn't look great tonight, but name me someone who did who wasn't returning kicks. JC gets a pass in my book until it becomes obvious that he is the weakest link.

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JC didn't lose this game. We got whipped on both lines of scrimmage.

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Here's the question you have to ask:

Are Campbell's problems related to learning a new offense, or is he regressing in key facets of game play that would show up in any offensive scheme? According to the sideline reporter from NBC tonight (can't think of her name), Zorn said Campbell "has to read the defense." This is Campbell's fourth season in the league and Zorn has to remind him to do that?

It doesn't help that the same group of offensive linemen from last season apparently have all forgotten how to pass block.

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Jason's got a lot to learn with this offense. It's obvious. He still has to learn to get rid of the ball earlier. But ya know, Zorn also needs to learn to manage the game better as well. This year is going to be a learning process for both the coaches and the players. If you're expecting perfection right out of the gate, you're seriously mentally ill.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;472511]someone give me the definition of pathetic please?[/quote]


Campbell was 15/27 for 133 yards and 1 TD.

"The key to this game was third down efficiency. The Giants were sharp when it counted most, converting 7-of-14 for the game. On their four first-half scoring drives, they were even better, delivering on 5-of-8 third downs. On the flip side, the Giants' defense was just as dominant on third down, holding the Redskins to just three conversions in 13 attempts and forcing Campbell to throw short of the first-down marker repeatedly throughout the game"

"Jim Zorn made his coaching debut for the Redskins and showed his West Coast offense still has a ways to go. The Redskins had only 174 total yards and only 98 through the air. ..."

All this = Not good. Pathetic may be strong. But it was definitely bad.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;472493]........no turnovers, 1 sack against a great d-line, no help from the receivers I don't get how he was pathetic?[/quote]

I'm not saying that JC had a perfect games, and Lord knows I was going insane when he was holding the ball in the first half. But he looked good in that TD drive (notice that Manning did not throw for a TD and with all the passing yard, he never put the game away). There were some opportunities in which the receivers were not open, receivers dropped the ball, and plays were negated by penalties (one catch that cooley had in the first half that was call back).

Besides, for every Sean Payton out there (rookie coach that succeeds) there are many rookie coaches that won't succeed in their first season. People say that Zorn inherited a playoff team, but this is a playoff team with issues that were not necessarily addressed in the offseason (i.e. WRs).

JC is not the QB that will make players around him better (unlike Payton Manning or Tom Brady) he needs good players around him, and right now our WRs group is the same as last year and are showing the same problems. The day that we replace our QB this year, is the day that we go into rebuilding mode. I don't think after 0-1 is that time to do it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472505]Schneed will be around with his "Retarded Thread" very soon.

:goodjob:

While I agree JC was pretty pathetic, I'm not ready to give up on him. It's a new offense, first week. Give him some more time.[/quote]

I think if JC gets a new offense every year, then he will never get critized because its always his "first year in the system". Im pretty sure in the west coast or spread or gibbs or Al Saunders offensive system that if the first down is 7 yards away, you throw for 7 yards. Not 4 yards.


Ah lets give him some more time.

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[quote=skinsguy;472518]Jason's got a lot to learn with this offense. It's obvious. He still has to learn to get rid of the ball earlier. But ya know, Zorn also needs to learn to manage the game better as well. This year is going to be a learning process for both the coaches and the players. If you're expecting perfection right out of the gate, you're seriously mentally ill.[/quote]

Every year there's a built-in excuse for this team.

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[quote=cpayne5;472513]There's much more to it than the play of your QB. JC didn't look great tonight, [B]but name me someone who did who wasn't returning kicks[/B]. JC gets a pass in my book until it becomes obvious that he is the weakest link.[/quote]

Portis, Fletcher, Brooks.

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Hey nobody can argue that great QB play in the NFL makes any team legit. I sure as hell want JC to be a bad ass, but I was so disgusted tonight because it seemed that JC was sitting on the shore of his country home chilling out with no care in the world. Thanks, but you are fired.

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We will see by mid season if JC is/will be a good QB in this league with the new offense. Thing is he has the same tendencies as last year even with a new look. I think by mid season for sure he will find a groove and excel. If not, the Start Brennan threads will be hot.

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[quote=cpayne5;472513]There's much more to it than the play of your QB. JC didn't look great tonight, but name me someone who did who wasn't returning kicks. JC gets a pass in my book until it becomes obvious that he is the weakest link.[/quote]


QBs are leaders. They lead the team.. he doesn't do that, period. He's a wimp that has no confidence. UGH!!! ...

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The thing is fans, this is the first true game that counts for this offense and Jim Zorn. You go on the road to face the defending Super Bowl champions. Your team comes off of some pretty awful showings in its last couple preseason games. Your coach is a rookie. Your offense is brand new. You QB has to learn his third offense in his what, four years as a pro? What does common sense tell you? The odds were long against this team winning tonight. Still, that doesn't mean us as fans should throw in the towel? Not what I'm suggesting. But, if some of you are going to get on this forum board and start bitching and complaining and dissecting each and every little point of Jason Campbell, Jim Zorn, the Redskins franchise, and so forth and so on, then I honestly don't see why you're wasting your talents on doing so with a football team. Use that scrutiny toward solving the oil crisis in America, or solving the homeless problems, or balancing this country's budget. Heck, I'm sure some of you guys could probably be qualified to be President if you did so! But, as for the Redskins, just ride the ride, cheer the team on, and see where this season takes us. We have a long ways to go, but you have to start somewhere, and sorry if it's not possible for us to start off in glory to wind up in glory.

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[quote=Beemnseven;472524]Every year there's a built-in excuse for this team.[/quote]

And every year there's a bitch.

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[quote=skinsguy;472534]The thing is fans, this is the first true game that counts for this offense and Jim Zorn. You go on the road to face the defending Super Bowl champions. Your team comes off of some pretty awful showings in its last couple preseason games. Your coach is a rookie. Your offense is brand new. You QB has to learn his third offense in his what, four years as a pro? What does common sense tell you? The odds were long against this team winning tonight. Still, that doesn't mean us as fans should throw in the towel? Not what I'm suggesting. But, if some of you are going to get on this forum board and start bitching and complaining and dissecting each and every little point of Jason Campbell, Jim Zorn, the Redskins franchise, and so forth and so on, then I honestly don't see why you're wasting your talents on doing so with a football team. Use that scrutiny toward solving the oil crisis in America, or solving the homeless problems, or balancing this country's budget. Heck, I'm sure some of you guys could probably be qualified to be President if you did so! But, as for the Redskins, just ride the ride, cheer the team on, and see where this season takes us. We have a long ways to go, but you have to start somewhere, and sorry if it's not possible for us to start off in glory to wind up in glory.[/quote]

No offense. You must be a Republican.

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You're right: Jason Campbell is regressing. We have a major problem at QB. He looked lost out there and held the ball way too long.

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[quote=Beemnseven;472524]Every year there's a built-in excuse for this team.[/quote]

There are reasons for winning and reasons for losing. I don't know why we can't discuss things like that without getting slapped with the excuse label.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472520]Campbell was 15/27 for 133 yards and 1 TD.

"The key to this game was third down efficiency. The Giants were sharp when it counted most, converting 7-of-14 for the game. On their four first-half scoring drives, they were even better, delivering on 5-of-8 third downs. On the flip side, the Giants' defense was just as dominant on third down, holding the Redskins to just three conversions in 13 attempts and forcing Campbell to throw short of the first-down marker repeatedly throughout the game"

"Jim Zorn made his coaching debut for the Redskins and showed his West Coast offense still has a ways to go. The Redskins had only 174 total yards and only 98 through the air. ..."

All this = Not good. Pathetic may be strong. But it was definitely bad.[/quote]

I really respect that Rave and that was a flawless statement you made I don't disagree but we were right back where we were last year under Gibbs maybe worse. Cooley one catch, Thomas one catch, Randle El 7 & Moss 5 (mostly b.s. catches at the end). Now the three guys we drafted didn't contribute nothing but one catch right. When has Cooley been held to one catch ever? Now I know JC wasn't great or that good but explain to me where was his help offensive weapons were a no show or forced to block all game see Chris Cooley. But JC can't be totally blamed for this game. For you Colt Brennan lovers he wouldn't helped the receivers run betters routes or helped the o-line block better so cut the crap.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472538]No offense. You must be a Republican.[/quote]

:confused: Not sure why you said that?

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[quote=Ruhskins;472521]I'm not saying that JC had a perfect games, and [B]Lord knows I was going insane when he was holding the ball in the first half.[/B] But he looked good in that TD drive (notice that Manning did not throw for a TD and with all the passing yard, he never put the game away). There were some opportunities in which the receivers were not open, receivers dropped the ball, and plays were negated by penalties (one catch that cooley had in the first half that was call back).

Besides, for every Sean Payton out there (rookie coach that succeeds) there are many rookie coaches that won't succeed in their first season. People say that Zorn inherited a playoff team, but this is a playoff team with issues that were not necessarily addressed in the offseason (i.e. WRs).

JC is not the QB that will make players around him better (unlike Payton Manning or Tom Brady) he needs good players around him, and right now our WRs group is the same as last year and are showing the same problems. The day that we replace our QB this year, is the day that we go into rebuilding mode. I don't think after 0-1 is that time to do it.[/quote]

This is what I've been asking who was open while he was holding on to the ball? Nobody!!!! Did y'all want him to throw a pick?

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[quote=skinsguy;472546]:confused: Not sure why you said that?[/quote]

You are arguing for a failed policy aren't you? Very Republican don't you think?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;472547]This is what I've been asking who was open while he was holding on to the ball? Nobody!!!! Did y'all want him to throw a pick?[/quote]

It's actually on both Campbell and the receivers. The receivers have to run the precise routes, and Campbell has to learn to throw timing passes to spots. Zorn's been saying the whole time the Jason is waiting for the receiver to be open, and that's not how the west coast offense works. Couple that with Jason still not reading the defenses and it makes for a long learning curve.

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Put in collins, He spanked the giants 8 months ago, he won 4 in a row, he's still got momentum. He should be this teams captain, he can guide this team better than JC. Having him in is the best chance we have.

Just like in Arizona, sit the sucker, start the veteran

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[quote=wilsowilso;472551]You are arguing for a failed policy aren't you? Very Republican don't you think?[/quote]

I don't really see how someone's political beliefs, Republican or Democrat, would have anything to do with this discussion about Jason Campbell.

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[quote=hesscl34;472531]QBs are leaders. They lead the team.. he doesn't do that, period. He's a wimp that has no confidence. UGH!!! ...[/quote]

Brunell was a great leader. He must have been a great QB.

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[quote=cpayne5;472561]Brunell was a great leader. He must have been a great QB.[/quote]

All I have to say to this is that Brunell got us to the second round ofthe playoffs and he threw DEEP to Moss SEVERAL times!!! The only thing that hindered him was age and injury.. not stupidity.

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[quote=skinsguy;472558]I don't really see how someone's political beliefs, Republican or Democrat, would have anything to do with this discussion about Jason Campbell.[/quote]

My bad. You made a long argument about how we should accept the status quo with regards to this mess? Sound familiar?

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[quote=WaldSkins;472526]Portis, Fletcher, Brooks.[/quote]

None of them were great.

Portis had an awesome block on one of their DEs, and also a per carry average of below 4. If you're going to say the line wasn't blocking, then that also has to carry over to JC's performance. Not great.

Fletcher was all over the field as usual, but I saw a couple of missed tackles and a few times where he was overmatched. Nothing great from him tonight.

The only great thing Brooks was involved in tonight was when Jerome McDougal ran into him. He was rather unspectacular otherwise. Short(ish) punts, and no boomers. Good hangtimes, though. Not great.

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[quote=celts32;472514]JC didn't lose this game. We got whipped on both lines of scrimmage.[/quote]
Eli seemed to get his passes off when undeg pressure. The first sack JC wandered right into his coverage not away from it like a natural QB should do.

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[quote=hesscl34;472566]All I have to say to this is that Brunell got us to the second round ofthe playoffs and he threw DEEP to Moss SEVERAL times!!! The only thing that hindered him was age and injury.. not stupidity.[/quote]

It's naive to think that JC's problem is a lack of intelligence.