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Redskins-Giants: Offensive Review
I reviewed every single play from the Giants-Redskins game, and took some critical notes on interesting trends, and pretty much looked at the entire game to see just how far the Redskins have to go. I learned a few interesting things and hope to share them with you.
The metric I used to measure overall success is called “success rate”, and measures the rate at which any given play gains 45%, 60%, and 100% of the yards to gain on first, second, and third/fourth downs respectively. Higher numbers are better, and the target for an overall strong performance is at around a 50 percent success rate. This is the offensive review, and the defensive review will be following shortly. Enjoy! [B]Jim Zorn[/B] Formation Selection: Singleback: 59% 3+ WR: 67% 4+ WR: 11% 2 TE: 13% Shotgun: 30% Playcalling: Run: 44% Pass: 56% I’m satisfied with the amount of Shotgun being used thus far, and with the current WR situation, we don’t want to be spreading it more often than we did in this game. In the future, I’d hope that we see more 2 TE stuff from this offense, as two of our top offensive playmakers play that position. It’s hard to hold anything against Zorn thus far. I agree with any of you who think that the lack of a hurry-up offense was perplexing down the stretch, but Zorn masterfully ran down the clock in the first half prior to the Redskins only TD, so the clock management was definately a mixed bag. The playcalling is obviously skewed due to the final two drives in which the Redskins were forced to throw. The playcalling was pretty even to that point, with a strong tendency to run on first down. I’m not really sure how I feel like that: if there is a weakness on the Giants, its their secondary, and we simply did not test them often enough. Still, I’m not mad that we ran the ball so often — even though the Giants had a great rush D last year, the run is going to be our bread and butter early in the season. [B]Passing Offense: [/B] Jason Campbell — 15/27 for 133 yards and 1 TD There will be more far productive days in Jason Campbell’s future, but I think a lot of fans are mistaking things that didn’t happen on Thursday for shortcomings in Campbell’s game — and that’s ludicrous. Prior to that last, meaningless drive, Campbell had thrown only 19 passes. 19. That’s fewer than 5 passes per quarter! Put very simply, there isn’t a whole lot that Campbell should be expected to accomplish when throwing fewer than 5 times per quarter. Campbell looked hesitant and slow making his reads, sometimes struggling to find his second target if his primary target was covered. That’s not something that should inspire confidence in the fanbase, but it shouldn’t have been a complete shock. Pass Protection: 1 sack allowed The sack was the first offensive play of the season, and can be put 100% on Jason Campbell. But that doesn’t mean the protection was totally peachy all night long. The number one culprit of pressure on Campbell was confusion. I imagine that confusion is always an issue that creates pressure on the QB no matter who is on the OL, but Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo definately made some on the Redskins interior line guess wrong, leading to pressure up the middle on Campbell. Stephon Heyer was a very close second reason. Heyer played well during the limited passes in the first half, but in the second half, he was always a step slow getting off the ball. Justin Tuck consistently got the leverage on him, and even the immortal Dave Tollefson beat him twice. Good news though: he can handle Renaldo Wynn, who no longer has any explosiveness left in his legs. Samuels, Rabach, and Randy Thomas each got beaten really badly once. Pete Kendall had the best game of any of the linemen in pass pro. Chris Cooley was simply used too much in pass pro. He’s pretty good at it, but he’s too important running down the field to stay in as much as he did on Thursday. Receivers: Randle El- 7 for 73, 2 false starts Moss- 5 for 37, 1 TD, 1 drop Thrash- 1 drop Betts- 1 for 11 yards, 1 drop Cooley- 1 for 7 yards D. Thomas- 1 for 5 yards It was a mediocre day for the receivers. There were some nice plays made in the passing game: Moss’ TD and that nice catch in the second half, as well as Randle El making some nice plays on the sideline and down the middle of the field. However, the drops are still a concern, and the lack of discipline on Randle El’s part is troubling. Overall passing efficiency, as measured by success rate: 8/27 = 30% Thirty percent is a poor passing game success rate, and accurately chronicles the struggles that this unit faced. The biggest problem was coming up short of the first down marker on completed third down passes. Devin Thomas made the most obvious error here, catching the ball a yard short of the marker and not picking up the first, but given it was his first NFL catch, we can cut him a break here. Campbell showed nice patience on third downs not forcing the ball, but at some point, the Redskins will have to strike a better balance between patience and aggresssion in converting these third downs. [B]Rushing offense:[/B] Clinton Portis- 23 for 84 yards Against a tough run D like the Giants, Portis actually ran pretty well. It works out to 3.65 yards per carry, but it’s something that the offense can build on. Portis also de-cleated Mathias Kiwanuka in an absolutely perfectly executed block. Portis broke a 24 yard scamper into the secondary of the Giants, which did not happen nearly enough last season. Run blocking As much as Heyer struggled in pass protection, his quickness could be a real asset to this line as a run blocker at the second level. Heyer was, at times, dominant in the running game. There were mistakes for sure on his end, but the Redskins are mixing in some zone blocking schemes, and Heyer seems like an ideal tackle in these schemes. On one play, Chris Samuels just lit up two Giants. It was a thing of beauty. Samuels probably had the best run blocking game of any of the linemen, while Pete Kendall also had a pretty good day in run blocking. Casey Rabach has a strong tendency to get driven into the backfield right on the snap, but once he survives the initial hit, he does a good job finishing blocks. I can’t sugarcoat Randy Thomas’ day — his return to the lineup was a disappointment. He struggled massively in run blocking. His one really nice block came while pulling, he sprang Portis’ 24 yard scamper, blowing a linebacker out of the way. Chris Cooley had a horrific day in run blocking. Cooley is too good for this, and I think he just had a few concentration lapses. The main problem was when the backside end ran across Cooley’s face to get into the play. Cooley should rebound from this, but he was a key reason why the Redskins offense got stuck in neutral. Mike Sellers’ athleticism is very overrated. He’s not really athletic enough to handle Mathias Kiwanuka in the run blocking game. Sellers is probably playing out of position — at 280, he’s an ideal blocking TE, but we do love seeing our fullback rumble through lead blocks. Still, the Redskins are probably at their best when in the single back. Sellers can still drive DT’s off the ball, so when he’s playing between the tackles, he’s pretty valuable. Overall rushing efficiency, as measured by success rate: 8/23 = 35% Still not good, but the running game was a bit more effective then the passing game was. Considering the Giants defend the run better than they defend the pass, I think the passing game has a much, much further way to go than the running game does. The Redskins should be able to improve on that 35% next week against the Saints. [B]Overall Success/Failure [/B] 16/50 = 32% Ugh. Not a very good day overall, but also not quite as bad as it seemed while watching it. The second half was much better than the first half, and to be fair, the field position was poor all day for the offense. Only one scoring drive is hardly a good start, but this offense has a long, long way to go to reach where it was last year. The running game will be relied on early and often, and hopefully, if everything goes right, the Redskins will play well enough on offense to get the win in the home opener next Sunday. |
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Retarded thread. Where's the panic? Where's the doom and gloom? Why aren't you calling for Zorn to be fired, Campbell benched, and Cerrato indicted?
Seriously though, nice work :) |
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I've missed these a lot! Thank you!
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Nice work, I already read it on MVN
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Great job GTripp, I always look forward to your detailed analysis.
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[quote=SmootSmack;473791]Retarded thread. Where's the panic? Where's the doom and gloom? Why aren't you calling for Zorn to be fired, Campbell benched, and Cerrato indicted?
Seriously though, nice work :)[/quote] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Your sarcasm is noted... and all of us unintelligent football posting retarded idiots bow to the mods original thoughts, wisdom, and brilliance in knowing where this team is truly headed…... [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Until we lose again. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] |
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I think SS's point was an objective level headed view whether it's good or bad news is always appreciated over kneejerk emotional overreactions. And I agree 110%. I wish we had more threads like this vs. some of the mindless crap we've seen lately.
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[quote=hesscl34;473801][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Your sarcasm is noted... and all of us unintelligent football posting retarded idiots bow to the mods original thoughts, wisdom, and brilliance in knowing where this team is truly headed…... [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Until we lose again. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote] I shouldn't even respond because you've shown time and again that you just don't get it. This is a great thread that Tripp started, it's not overly optimistic or pessimistic. He actually addresses both the good and the bad, in his opinion and backs up why he feels that way. This isn't some retarded "I hope we don't go 0-5 thread." If you can't tell the difference, then a message board for the knowledgeable Redskins fan isn't the place for you. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;473807]I think SS's point was an objective level headed view whether it's good or bad news is always appreciated over kneejerk emotional overreactions. And I agree 110%. I wish we had more threads like this vs. some of the mindless crap we've seen lately.[/quote]
It wouldn't be very much fun to post here if everyone agreed. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;473809]I shouldn't even respond because you've shown time and again that you just don't get it. This is a great thread that Tripp started, it's not overly optimistic or pessimistic. He actually addresses both the good and the bad, in his opinion and backs up why he feels that way. This isn't some retarded "I hope we don't go 0-5 thread." If you can't tell the difference, then a message board for the knowledgeable Redskins fan isn't the place for you.[/quote]
We'll see how much "I don't get" as this season plays out. NOTE: My response was directed at your sarcasm, not Gtrips post... |
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Nice analysis. One thing that should be noted with Campbell, as we saw last year, when he throws early and often (TB, Philly, Dallas) he gets into a rhythm and the passing game clicks better overall.. I think with Zorn and JC agreeing to put him in shotgun more per yesterday's article in the WaPo, that should significantly improve how comfortable he is in the passing game.
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[quote=hesscl34;473810]It wouldn't be very much fun to post here if everyone agreed.[/quote]
I'm not saying that at all. |
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[quote=hesscl34;473810]It wouldn't be very much fun to post here if everyone agreed.[/quote]
I don't think it's a matter of agreement but it's a matter of conversational preference.. Annoying, overreactionary, irrational fans-Extremeskins Occasionally annoying, insightful, rational fans-The Warpath.net You'd be right at home on ES |
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[quote=hesscl34;473814]We'll see how much "I don't get" as this season plays out.
NOTE: My response was directed at your sarcasm, not Gtrips post...[/quote] You are a pessimist. We get it. It's just hard to accept your opinion when it's based on such a limited sample. Add to that the fact that you rarely acknowledge anything positive, and it just seems like you are waiting for our collapse. You should try to be more objective. Also, if you are right, and we have a terrible season as you expect, it won't be because you have some special football insight. It's just the better odds. Anyone can see we have some major adversity to overcome, and more working against us, than for us (rookie HC, aging OL, etc.). |
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BTW, good job with this thread and the defensive review, GTripp. We've been lacking quality threads lately ... it's always nice to see this kind of stuff. :biggthump
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Great Post Tripp I enjoyed it
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Excellent! Finally, level heads prevail. Great post.
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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;473825]You are a pessimist. We get it. It's just hard to accept your opinion when it's based on such a limited sample. Add to that the fact that you rarely acknowledge anything positive, and it just seems like you are waiting for our collapse. You should try to be more objective.
Also, if you are right, and we have a terrible season as you expect, it won't be because you have some special football insight. It's just the better odds. Anyone can see we have some major adversity to overcome, and more working against us, than for us (rookie HC, aging OL, etc.).[/quote] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]UNCLE![/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] |
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[quote=GTripp0012;473788]I In the future, I’d hope that we see more 2 TE stuff from this offense, as two of our top offensive playmakers play that position.[/quote]
Agreed [quote]It’s hard to hold anything against Zorn thus far. I agree with any of you who think that the lack of a hurry-up offense was perplexing down the stretch, but Zorn masterfully ran down the clock in the first half prior to the Redskins only TD, so the clock management was definately a mixed bag.[/quote] Interesting, I would have used the adjective "fortunately" rathern than "masterfully" [quote] The playcalling is obviously skewed due to the final two drives in which the Redskins were forced to throw. The playcalling was pretty even to that point, with a strong tendency to run on first down. I’m not really sure how I feel like that: if there is a weakness on the Giants, its their secondary, and we simply did not test them often enough. Still, I’m not mad that we ran the ball so often — even though the Giants had a great rush D last year, the run is going to be our bread and butter early in the season.[/quote] Again, agreed [quote]Prior to that last, meaningless drive, Campbell had thrown only 19 passes. 19. That’s fewer than 5 passes per quarter! Put very simply, there isn’t a whole lot that Campbell should be expected to accomplish when throwing fewer than 5 times per quarter. Campbell looked hesitant and slow making his reads, sometimes struggling to find his second target if his primary target was covered. That’s not something that should inspire confidence in the fanbase, but it shouldn’t have been a complete shock.[/quote] Are you talking about actual passes, or pass plays? Are you factoring in false starts, sacks, etc. where no pass is actually thrown? Also, did you notice WRs "giving up" on the play as Moss implied he did on one play where it didn't develop as quickly as planned and Moss figured JC must have been sacked? [quote]Pete Kendall had the best game of any of the linemen in pass pro.[/quote] And here I was about to predict Kendall would be benched for Jansen by week 4 [quote]Randle El- 7 for 73, 2 false starts[/quote] Two false starts is inexcusable for a veteran WR. |
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[quote=hesscl34;473847][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]UNCLE![/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote] Define "improvement" in your mind Hess. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;473791]Retarded thread. Where's the panic? Where's the doom and gloom? Why aren't you calling for Zorn to be fired, Campbell benched, and Cerrato indicted?
Seriously though, nice work :)[/quote] YAAH!!!!!!!! What he said. thanx for the work! |
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[quote=hesscl34;473847][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]UNCLE![/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote] Realists focus on *objective* facts. However, it seems your opinion is that we will never win with JC as our QB. Funny thing is, it's not just about the QB -- it's about the whole team. It's hard to convince me you are being objective when your only/biggest gripe is JC. We clearly have more (bigger) problems than him. IMO, our biggest problem is the OL. Sure, JC needs to get the ball out quicker, but if he had more time this issue would be moot. Come to think of it, JC has two problems I can think of: holds the ball too long, and is making slow reads/too conservative. Those are minor problems, IMO, and it's nothing unexpected considering he's learning yet another offense. :twocents: |
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[quote=SmootSmack;473852]Define "improvement" in your mind Hess.[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The ball being thrown (and caught) for more than 9 yards repeatedly. Not having so many three and outs. TDs (more than 2). Portis running for more the 100 yards in at least 6 games. CBs catching ITs that result in points. Not consistently allowing the deep ball from opposing teams. Ending drives in the endzone at the end of games. Improved time management. Very few penalties on both sides of the ball. If Skins break 500 with JC as QB, I'll consider that improvment. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] |
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[quote=hesscl34;473847][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. [b]I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team.[/b] So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]UNCLE![/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote] Then explain the Ravens winning with Trent Dilfer, the Bears going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman, Dan Marino having no Super Bowl wins.. Football is a team game.. Sure one or two people can impact that, but to put SO much emphasis on JC (or anyone else for that matter) is just crazy. |
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[quote=Paintrain;473862]Then explain the Ravens winning with Trent Dilfer, the Bears going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman, Dan Marino having no Super Bowl wins.. Football is a team game.. Sure one or two people can impact that, but to put SO much emphasis on JC (or anyone else for that matter) is just crazy.[/quote]
Thanks for pointing this out. I now have renewed hope that we'll make it to the Superbowl... lol |
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[quote=hesscl34;473860][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The ball being thrown (and caught) for more than 9 yards repeatedly. Not having so many three and outs. TDs (more than 2). Portis running for more the 100 yards in at least 6 games. CBs catching ITs that result in points. Not consistently allowing the deep ball from opposing teams. Ending drives in the endzone at the end of games. Improved time management. Very few penalties on both sides of the ball. If Skins break 500 with JC as QB, I'll consider that improvment. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]
I think the whole team has to step it up to contribute to those improvements right (not just Campbell and Rogers)? Either way, do you understand why what you just wrote there has more weight than a lot of the other posts we have seen here in recent days? |
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[quote=hesscl34;473865]Thanks for pointing this out. I now have renewed hope that we'll make it to the Superbowl... lol[/quote]
My point, genius, is that one player doesn't make a team. Teams have succeeded without elite QB and teams have flailed about with great QB. To put SO much focus on ONE player is just silly. It proves a complete lack of knowledge of the game. |
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Great job, GTripp.
I have been thinking that about Sellers for a while now. He is not a high-quality pure FB, and that hurts the run game. He does lots of other things well, but that's an issue. Cooley must improve on his run blocking. While it's a tough assignment at times with DEs, he needs to at least make some contact on those plays! Maybe when Fred Davis develops, it will free things up, but he's got to do better. I think JC needs to throw more as well, but that's where the lack of 3rd down efficiency really killed us. A few more yards on a few of those 3rds and you get a new set of downs, more chance to open the playbook and use the previous plays to set things up, create mismatches, etc. Having to punt like a billion times does not allow an offense to get in rhythm. We hear that over and over, but it is true. And the rhythm is not just for JC. It's for Zorn and his playcalling. Nice Job! |
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[quote=SmootSmack;473866]I think the whole team has to step it up to contribute to those improvements right (not just Campbell and Rogers)? Either way, do you understand why what you just wrote there has more weight than a lot of the other posts we have seen here in recent days?[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome. [/FONT][/COLOR] |
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[quote=Paintrain;473874]My point, genius, is that one player doesn't make a team. Teams have succeeded without elite QB and teams have flailed about with great QB. To put SO much focus on ONE player is just silly. It proves a complete lack of knowledge of the game.[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I got your point, know it all. There are plenty of people that don't think JC has what it takes. Me thinking the same does not mean I lack complete knowledge of this game, nor does it mean I think JC single-handedly is the reason we are losing. However, I do think he is a very large contributor. Your misrepresentation of my comments is offensive. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If you'd like to continue to insult my intelligence, PM me. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] |
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[quote=hesscl34;473876][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote] Don't confuse differing opinions with worthless, unsubstantiated opinions. |
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[quote=hesscl34;473876][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. [B]You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome.[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote] Not true. It's opinions that lack real substance and are reactionary/emotional in nature that we don't appreciate. We're just trying to prevent this place from becoming ES. |
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I was wonder how long until the true H34 came back. Not even here can the world be perfect.
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It's football. I don't think it is possible to not have reactionary/emotional posts at least occasionally. We are Skins fans after all - the most passionate fans in the NFL.
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[quote=mredskins;473896]I was wonder how long until the true H34 came back. Not even here can the world be perfect.[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]What is that supposed to mean?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I've learned to keep my head low and to turn a blind eye around here... but every now and then I find the courage to look up. Some things never change..... [/FONT][/COLOR] |
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[quote=Mattyk72;473895]Not true. It's opinions that lack real substance and are reactionary/emotional in nature that we don't appreciate. We're just trying to prevent this place from becoming ES.[/quote]
Well to be fair JC has been our QB for several years and I can easly see how people can come to the opinion that he is not an NFL QB. I myself have that big ? in my mind but am willing to give him the chance to prove other wise this year. Its just some of the things he has done in both the WC and Saunders systems that have carried over and he is not improving on. |
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Let's just remember this is JC's 4th year in the NFL -- and he didn't play a single game until halfway through his 2nd. The game against the Giants was only his 21st NFL game.
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i think it's retarded that cooley's line is 1 catch for 7 yards.
our TEs our much better than our receivers, so, we should, like, throw it their way... and stuff... that's the big thing, zorn needs to integrate him some TE love into the playbook. |
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[quote=firstdown;473915]Well to be fair JC has been our QB for several years and I can easly see how people can come to the opinion that he is not an NFL QB. I myself have that big ? in my mind but am willing to give him the chance to prove other wise this year. Its just some of the things he has done in both the WC and Saunders systems that have carried over and he is not improving on.[/quote]
This is his 2nd full season as the starter. |
Re: Redskins-Giants: Offensive Review
Ok........ it's like this I hope [B]I DON'T OFFEND ANYBODY WITH THIS POST[/B]
I think JC is unsure and holds the ball longer because he has a slave mentality before you go postal and everything let me explain. Joe Gibbs played soft and didn't take many chances was a strong believer in the power run game didn't take the handcuffs off JC or the offense as a whole IMO. Now true enough JC has had plenty of coordinators no doubt and that played a vital part in his success. But he was still under Gibbs for three years the safe, conservative play mentality was still there even though the coordinator changed. Now you have a totally different coach, different mentality, more of a killer instinct then Gibbs in Zorn. Taking the cuffs off JC and do away with the conservative play. Zorn wants JC to trust his arm and his receivers well those three years under Gibbs plays a big factor. You can't expect JC within 6 or 7 months to get out of that mindset it takes time and Zorn know that. If you notice he didn't turnover the ball over and he is unsure about things. I rather have a conservative don't want to make a mistake QB then a Rex Grossman reckless throw 3 ints two for tds in one game QB. Time will tell but we have to be patient. |
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