ARE: Punt Returns
 

So I think it's a general consensus around here that ARE needs to be banned from returning punts from here on out.

Correct?

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What happened to him? He was really bad today on returns.

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I was thinking of same thing after the game.. I think Zorn needs to put Thrash in for returns.. Because, unfortunately, it appears Thrash is only one who can do punt returns with decent results.. Thomas did not do anything in preseason..

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agreed. ARE sucks as a punt returner now. Thrash is my choice

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[quote=DynamiteRave;476566]So I think it's a general consensus around here that ARE needs to be banned from returning punts from here on out.

Correct?[/quote]
Agreed 100%.

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I know they are rookies but how about Tryon or Thomas?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;476584]I know they are rookies but how about Tryon or Thomas?[/quote]

Yeah give one of them a shot at it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;476584]I know they are rookies but how about Tryon or [B]Thomas[/B]?[/quote]

There was a running joke in the game thread that Thomas would only return the ball 5 yards before running into his own guy. (He was doing that during preseason maybe?)

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How did this not get addressed in the Offseason and preseason. ARE is getting worse at this. Did we have anyone attempt this in the preseason? Not only are we not gaining any yards but now he looks like a liability. Come on Danny Smith. What about Rock Cartwright?

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I'm glad someone has said ARE needs to be banned from PR duty. He is going backwards everytime instead of forwards gaining yards. For sure we need someone else because those returns for negative yards are furustrating and hurts our offense.

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[quote=Big C;476574]agreed. ARE sucks as a punt returner now. Thrash is my choice[/quote]
Yes him or Rock, they run north-south and protect the ball. ARE just jumps around way too much. I actually like Thrash alot in the position, solid vet.

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Definately not Thomas, he runs into a tackler to avoid the big hit. My vote is for Cartwright or maybe Moss, he is pretty good in open space.

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[quote=WaldSkins;476609]Definately not Thomas, he runs into a tackler to avoid the big hit. My vote is for Cartwright or maybe Moss, he is pretty good in open space.[/quote]

I'd love to see Moss return punts but, I don't think we can risk injuring our #1 receiver.

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ARE has been doing this for years now, he's terrible, and looks like he doesn't even want to be back there - so don't make him, find someone else.

thomas looked bad in pre season... thrash or betts maybe?

i totally agree.

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Agreed.

James Thrash or Rock...

Just run for 10-15 yards... don't dance... and DO NOT fumble. That's it. Punt return issues solved.

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We need someone to take the ball North and South, all this dancing back there reminds me of Neon when he sucked returning punts for us. I say give Rock a try (and if not him then Thrash). At least Rock will take the ball upfield. Intriguing thought about Tryon, with his speed he could be interesting, but has he ever done it before?

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I vote for Devin Hester. If not him, then whoever is our quickest guy other than Santana Moss (Tryon?).

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I vote Rock. ARE is bad out there.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;476682][B]I vote for Devin Hester[/B]. If not him, then whoever is our quickest guy other than Santana Moss (Tryon?).[/quote]

Too bad he's out with a rib injury. :doh:

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[quote=Big C;476574]agreed. ARE sucks as a punt returner now. Thrash is my choice[/quote]

NOW? I was saying this all last year. Honestly, is there anyone WORSE in the NFL at returning punts? I usually stand behind our guys but this is just wrong and has been going on for way to long. I like him as a receiver but damn....come on. I never have understood why they would rather have him back there than Thrash. I just don't get it. Are they thinking ONE day he might break one? In the mean time it's pathetic. This has bothered me for quite awhile. Maybe after Zorn sees it awhile he'll step in and change it. I'always thought Gibbs would but it never happened.

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i say put a rook, or someone with speed..maybe tryon? because are is too valuable as our reciever to risk him hurt while the rookis develop

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He's pretty bad back there. He spins around like a drunk on a unicycle. I'm ready to see if Thomas or Rock can do better back there.

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Yeah, his days as an elite punt returner are clearly behind him.

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Why not Moss? I don't care as long as the guy just runs forward more than sideways.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;476696]Too bad he's out with a rib injury. :doh:[/quote]

And not in our team.

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I almost started the same thread (glad I thought to look further down the list beforehand). If ARE is returning punts again next weekend I'll be scratching me head... AND THEN FUCKING GOING BALLISTIC AGAIN. My biggest complaint is that he won't run north-south even when there are a few yards to gain before he hits a wall. Really, any of the suggested replacements above would be an improvement but I want to see Betts return punts. Probably not the best idea because he's our immediate backup RB but Betts runs north-south as well as Rock but w/ more speed and he's better after contact. Maybe it's too risky though.

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The one thing ARE had going for him on punts was the fact that he caught and held onto the ball. Gaining yards on Punt Returns has never been his strong suit while playing for the maroon and black. It might be a little different but didn't Mitchell return punts? I mean hell ,we have a poor mans Brian Mitchell in Rock so lets see what he can do.

Face it ARE, you're a reciever now, and a good one at that, stick to your craft.

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Yeah, this should not be a knee-jerk reaction to his fumble. He has sucked at returning punts since he came over in 06. New blood!

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The fumble I'll forgive. El has a good history of hanging onto the ball. But his returns have been middle to bottom of the pack for a while. Combine that with his increased roll as a receiver and I think it's clear we need to re-staff the punt return job.

Thrash has always been solid, but I'd try a few more of he young guys first. Until you do, you won't know if you have a Devin Hester.

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estion is whether it is our bnlocking or not. I am not savy enough to say for sure. It does seems like he dances a lot and usues a lot of motion to not do too much. I think our punting/punt returning game is as suspect as our kickoff/kick returning is good.

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I was asking myself if they keep him there to get their money out of him? They paid him pretty damn well to be a number 2, I'm sure they justified it with his supposed special teams play. That said, I can't/won't believe that he is kept back there solely for that reason.

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[quote=djnemo65;476862]Yeah, this should not be a knee-jerk reaction to his fumble. He has sucked at returning punts since he came over in 06. New blood![/quote]

Agreed. Has nothing to do w/ the fumble and everything to do w/ his lack of positive yards.

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For once I'd like to see ARE make a move and go, instead he dances like crazy. It's so freaking annoying.

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Punt returns are a tough buisness..if i had all those guys gunning for me, id dance like crazy too

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I don't understand why you would not use Rock on punt returns. MAkes no sense too me.

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[QUOTE]I don't understand why you would not use Rock on punt returns. MAkes no sense too me.[/QUOTE]

I think speed and shiftiness are the reasons

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Thrash had 2 returns last year, averaging 35.5 yards per return. He also doesn't do an endzone celebration after receiving the punt. It should help us not lose field position after a punt exchange.

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I disagree. I think ARE does dance a bit too much at times, but he's got the ability to take it to the house. Unless Moss goes back there, ARE is the best option we have on the team. His return style isn't the problem, its the lack of results. You've got to make the first man miss, which ARE does for the most part. Where he gets in trouble is that he hasn't been able to get up the field yet this year, but its coming.

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Returning kicks v/s punts is two different things and maybe rock has problems fielding punts. ARE while I agree dances arund way too much he usually holds on to the ball so I say leave him back there until we have someone better. Do we want to risk having a guy who might get a few extra yards but might cough up the ball more than ARE?

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ARE's punt return numbers have been in the toilet since he got here. But I will say I think he's developed into a pretty decent receiving option. He's got 11 catches on the year.