Barrow setback
 

During an interview on WTEM, Washington Redskins HC Joe Gibbs said MLB Michael Barrow (left knee) suffered a bit of a setback over the weekend concerning cartilage in his left knee. He will undergo an MRI today or tomorrow. Barrow has been sidelined since 8/3/04 with his knee problem.

this is starting to make me worry quite a bit. especially since we just cut Mitchell.

[QUOTE=beg8878]this is starting to make me worry quite a bit. especially since we just cut Mitchell.[/QUOTE]

Yes, strange that Mitchell is cut despite Barrow's injury.
Makes you wonder if the Redskins are waiting for someone on the waiver wire........seems defensive coordiantor, Williams was that unimpressed with Mitchell....things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Either that or he's very impressed with Pierce and Kheri Campbell.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Barrow miss a lot of time, and even when healthy may not get put in right away if the current squad gets chemistry going.

This what happens when we inherit the rejects of the New York Midgets. I mean Giants. We inherited a no good Armstead and he did was a bust. Now we have Barrow who was was washed up last year along with the entire Giant defensive line except Strahan.

Pierce, Campbell, Marshall and Washington can get the job done. Their fast and strong and work well with Lavar.

Still wish we kept Trotter if he would have taken a pay cut.

I sure hope we don't pick up Hugh Douglas. His knee is done. That's why he ws cut.

Interesting that Clifton Smith has stuck around, anybody got views on him?

[QUOTE=Daseal]Either that or he's very impressed with Pierce and Kheri Campbell.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Barrow miss a lot of time, and even when healthy may not get put in right away if the current squad gets chemistry going.[/QUOTE]


I have heard some good reports on Pierce...but still we need depth on defense especially..............

He had knee problems late 2002, but didn't miss a game because of his knee last year. Moot point... he signed with Philly.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]I sure hope we don't pick up Hugh Douglas. His knee is done. That's why he ws cut.[/QUOTE]

Losing Barrow is NOT a good thing. He is a capable linebacker - when healthy and someone who can patrol the middle of the defense for RBs who might get through a less than stalwart DL.

I thought this was tendonitis; now they are talking about cartilege problems. I'm not happy at all about this!

[QUOTE=SUNRA]This what happens when we inherit the rejects of the New York Midgets. I mean Giants. We inherited a no good Armstead and he did was a bust. Now we have Barrow who was was washed up last year along with the entire Giant defensive line except Strahan.[/QUOTE]

Sunra, I argued against you about this point in another thread, the noticed you said the same thing here. What makes you thing Armstead was a bust? Armstead was arguably the mvp of our defense last year and a leader on the field and in the locker room. He did lead the team in sacks. Tell me, what about Armstead makes you think he was a bust last year. And dont say anything about washington or anyone we have now. It doesnt matter that hes gone, im only commenting on the fact that you considered him a bust?

I agree SKINSnCANES, Armstead was a solid player for us. Certainly not what I would call a bust. Not even close.

I'm sorry... but there is a reason Antonio Pierce and Khary Campbell haven't earned starting jobs in the NFL in their careers. They are decent enough backups... but no Barrow (and no Mitchell for that matter) opens one more hole in our defense which is suspect enough with our weak D-Line.

EVERY great defense in the history of the NFL had a strong D-Tackle(s) and a strong middle linebacker... Singletary and Ray Lewis pop to mind off the bat....

You can have a secondary that is only slightly above average if you are pressuring the QB and stuffing the run to force the team into long passing situations... that's what worries me about this unit, just like the ones we've had for years now... the Rams REALLY exploited our weakness (T. Holt - 143 yds in one half!!) last game and I am afraid unless we find SOMEONE on the D-Line and Middle Linebacker to step up big time... we might have to get used to what we saw...

Personally, and I know I don't know as much as our coaching staff of course, but I'd take Mitchell over Pierce any day... he was a good run-reader and stuffer. We have enough speed with LeVar and Washington, we needed K-Mitch's experience and run stopping abilities... although I hope I have to eat my words ;)

[QUOTE=SUNRA]This what happens when we inherit the rejects of the New York Midgets. I mean Giants. We inherited a no good Armstead and he did was a bust. Now we have Barrow who was was washed up last year along with the entire Giant defensive line except Strahan.[/QUOTE]

in what type of bizarro world does 150 tackles(114 solo), 2 sacks, 3 forced fumbles and 4 pass deflections behind a pretty paper thin defensive line make Barrow washed up?
If that's washed up then I'm beggin for our entire lb group play that badly.

Armstead was a SOLDIER for us. lead in tackles if im not mistaken. not to mention in the locker room.

and Barrow..damn. i knew something was up. tried to tell you guys. this was a bad day for us. first we lose the best chance to shore up our iffy (no pun intended) pass rush with Douglas, and now we lose our best chance at run stopping since we're gonna be blitzing Washington and Arrington every down to compensate.

Wasn't T Holt being single covered sometimes by 3rd string cornerbacks? In an offense that wasn't holding any punches out? Of course he got yards going 1v1 with Walt Harris. We didn't jam them at the line, and we would had people all over T. Holt in a real game.

The reason Pierce and Campbell haven't earned a starting spot is the right person hasn't gotten hurt to allow them to step up and play. Barrow is a decent player, but won't be around long, we need to find a replacement for him.

Of course, Armstead was not a bust - pretty far out assessment.

The word on Mitchell's release was that Williams insists on speed in his LB's. That is certainly Mitchell's weak point, so he would not work out in his defensive schemes. But, I agree that being thin at MLB is a major concern.

Has anyone stopped to consider that this whole Barrow thing is a Gibb's "we aint saying nothing" thing here? Do you think Gibbs is playing this injury like a fiddle? I personally don't have a clue what to think, but they better find somebody better than Pierce to play the middle if we have any chance of stopping the run!!!

This is no Gibbs ploy. If Barrow wasn't hurt he'd have played by now. Although an MRI earlier should hve detected a serious problem. Tendonitis doesn't develope into a cart problem overnight.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Sunra, I argued against you about this point in another thread, the noticed you said the same thing here. What makes you thing Armstead was a bust? Armstead was arguably the mvp of our defense last year and a leader on the field and in the locker room. He did lead the team in sacks. Tell me, what about Armstead makes you think he was a bust last year. And dont say anything about washington or anyone we have now. It doesnt matter that hes gone, im only commenting on the fact that you considered him a bust?[/QUOTE]

Bust maybe a bit strong, but Armstead was OK on a bad defense. So it is relative. Armstead is not quick and explosive enough to be a top weak side linebacker. He was a few years ago, but he is to old and it was time for the team to go in a new direction. Plus Lavar's talents were being waisted at SLB. Lavar should be a monster at WLB.

Regarding Barrow's injury and the MLB position:
I hope we do not end up having to move Lavar to middle LB until Barrow heals. Mitchell might have been cut too early. I do not like the idea of playing Antonio Pierce or Khary Campbell at MLB. Mitchell was the logical back up until Barrow comes back.

I'm sure Mitchell was cut with Barrow's situation in mind and the staff has a plan.

Williams seems to be really high on Pierce. Mitchell just didn't have the wheels to play effectively in this defense.

I heard Mitchell might be headed to Cincy

[QUOTE=smootsmack]I heard Mitchell might be headed to Cincy[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing as soon as we cut him......

i wish him the best, hes been great anytime we needed him.

I sure hope somebody has a plan to stop every back in the league from running right up the gut on this defense.

[QUOTE=jbcjr14]I sure hope somebody has a plan to stop every back in the league from running right up the gut on this defense.[/QUOTE]

Well, since Gregg Williams is considered one of the top Defensive Coordinators in the NFL, it may have crossed his mind that he should try to prevent that...

[QUOTE=Hogskin]Well, since Gregg Williams is considered one of the top Defensive Coordinators in the NFL, it may have crossed his mind that he should try to prevent that...[/QUOTE]
LOL I was thinking the same thing but since you worded it so well I'll let your post take the cake