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jsarno 09-21-2008 10:42 PM

Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
I was vocal about Moss not being what we needed him to be, and not being a true #1 wr, but he has certainly been impressive and worthy of our #1 spot thus far. So I felt it fitting to start this thread. He is showing his pro bowl form again, and I love it. I said it before, and I'll say it again, I love watching him create when he catches a slant or screen...he's very explosive when healthy.

week 1- 5 rec, 37 yards, 1 td
week 2- 7 rec, 164 yards, 1 td
week 3- 7 rec, 75 yards, 1 td

He's on pace for 101 receptions, 1472 yards, and 16 tds!

Thank you for stepping up Moss...we need it!

MTK 09-21-2008 10:47 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
I doubted him too coming into this season but he's really having a nice year so far. Hope he keeps it up.

GridIron26 09-21-2008 10:52 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
It's still too early to tell if he's back to his old form or not..

Skinner 09-21-2008 10:53 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
I also doubted santana, I hope he keeps producing!!

Redskin 09-21-2008 10:56 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.

jsarno 09-21-2008 11:01 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=GridIron26;479448]It's still too early to tell if he's back to his old form or not..[/quote]

I disagree...he's caught the balls thrown his way, and he is racking up the YAC. The only question is whether or not he will stay healthy. But he certainly has been reliable.

In case you haven't noticed, Moss has scored a TD in 6 straight games (including postseason).

itvnetop 09-21-2008 11:01 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Redskin;479451]nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.[/quote]

No way is he a #3 on any team. The guy has won several games on last minute catches (Cowboys on MNF, Jax a few seasons ago, both wins this season have been capped off by Moss). And not fast enough? I sure hope this is sarcasm!

jsarno 09-21-2008 11:02 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Redskin;479451]nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.[/quote]

Are you serious?
Especially the "fast enough" comment...have you not been watching?

Please tell me you're joking, and I missed the sarcasm.

SBXVII 09-21-2008 11:31 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
I like Moss A lot but I still say he's not a number 1. He's stepping up for us which is good, but I still say he's a hellava #2. The #1 should be a nice tall possession receiver going up against the #1 CB. Moss would be perfect as a #2 going up against #2 quality CB causing double teams due to his speed.

53Fan 09-21-2008 11:36 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Moss spent alot of time this offseason with Campbell to make sure they were on the same page. Something he did'nt do last year. He takes the blame for that. It has paid off and I expect him to have a great year.

MTK 09-21-2008 11:48 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
The screen for a TD was vintage 2005 Moss. I think he's is playing with a bit of a chip on his shoulder right now, and this offense is definitely geared towards getting him the ball. It's a good combo.

DGreene28 09-21-2008 11:55 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Redskin;479451]nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.[/quote]

Clearly this dude is drunk

GTripp0012 09-21-2008 11:58 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
And kudos for Zorn for bringing back our best offensive play that Saunders scrapped for no good reason.

RobH4413 09-22-2008 12:16 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=GTripp0012;479473]And kudos for Zorn for bringing back our best offensive play that Saunders scrapped for no good reason.[/quote]


amen.

the personnel on this team thrive under the screen. Moss, Cooley, ARE, you name it. we're good with the screen. just wait till we start throwing in a fake screen here and there... and the offense opens right on up.

DirtyLandry 09-22-2008 12:40 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
How about Jason Campbell and his 100.1 passer rating, 65% completion, 4 TD's and 0 INT's. I love Moss but we should be talking about the guy throwing him the ball.

That Guy 09-22-2008 12:47 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
now we just need to throw that stupid 3rd and 2 dump off to cooley gibbs called about 18 times a game and we'll be good to go.

about moss - he is a #1 WHEN HEALTHY. once he hammy blows, his season is pretty much over. in 05 it never happened, and we all saw what that was like...

53Fan 09-22-2008 12:47 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Redskin;479451]nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.[/quote]

Right. And Angelina Jolie is'nt hot, J -LO does'nt have a fine ass, and gas will be 1.49 a gallon when I get up in the morning.

DirtyLandry 09-22-2008 01:00 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
LOL> I love the part when he says Moss would not make it on a college team. I needed a good laugh.

4thGenRedskin21 09-22-2008 03:30 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Redskin;479451]nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.[/quote]



stop sniffing rat bait and play dough, it reallly messes up your brain

Moss is back to 05' form and he's CLEARLY our #1 receiver.Jasoncampbell isplaying good and that really helps the WR's

4thGenRedskin21 09-22-2008 03:33 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=That Guy;479496]now we just need to throw that stupid 3rd and 2 dump off to cooley gibbs called about 18 times a game and we'll be good to go.

about moss - he is a #1 WHEN HEALTHY. once he hammy blows, his season is pretty much over. in 05 it never happened, and we all saw what that was like...[/quote]

your forgot, he had a bad heel injury last year and thats why he didnt play so good last year.

BTW, did anyone see Brandon Lloyd get another TD this year?? that shit pisses me off so much, I hop ehe snaps his legs, im sorry.

EARTHQUAKE2689 09-22-2008 05:14 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=53Fan;479497]Right. And Angelina Jolie is'nt hot, J -LO does'nt have a fine ass, and gas will be 1.49 a gallon when I get up in the morning.[/quote]

to me jolie isnt hot but clearly the guy is nuts

skinsfan69 09-22-2008 09:16 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
He needed to play well cause of Thomas and Kelly. When a team drafts two guys with the first two picks that tells you something. But it's good to see him getting back to his old form.

FRPLG 09-22-2008 09:29 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
pRayers for health. he is a game changer when he is at full speed and able to do his magic. Once he gets dinged though He is invisible almost. I lvoe what he csn do for us but I also know how quickly he becomes useless to us.

rypper11 09-22-2008 09:34 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=SBXVII;479461]I like Moss A lot but I still say he's not a number 1. He's stepping up for us which is good, but I still say he's a hellava #2. The #1 should be a nice tall possession receiver going up against the #1 CB. Moss would be perfect as a #2 going up against #2 quality CB causing double teams due to his speed.[/quote]
I disagree that you need a "nice tall possession receiver" for this, or any, offense to thrive.
Jerry Rice is 6-2 and played around 190lbs. John Taylor 6-1 185. They teamed to be one of the most explosive WCO offense ever.
Of modern players, Deion Branch (should be the Seahawks #1 wr currently) is 5-9 and Nate Burleson (#2) is listed at 6-0 but I think that's with cleats on.
Packers run a similar variation with Greg Jennings (5-11) and Donald Driver (6-0).
DeSean Jackson is 5-10 and he has looked pretty awesome for the Eagles.

Moss and ARE are 5-10. It's not a height issue for them it's a catch the ball even though you will get hit. That's why on 3rd and 8 they'll run a 7 yd cross expecting to catch in stride and run away. Where they are limited is inside the 10 yd line where the rules favor the wr (see the Giants game when the cb was pushed down and flagged) and a tall strong wr should be unstoppable. But for the other 90 yards they should excel. Once in the Red Zone, run a screen, run the ball or toss it to Cooley or Yoder. Or just score from 17 yards out.


A good coach fits his offense around his players not try to force good players into a system.

hesscl34 09-22-2008 11:09 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Moss being 5'10 has never affected his play and it's not going to start. He's 205lbs of muscle and he is fast as hell. He's a total play maker that ALWAYS gets the YAC. We are blessed to have him as a Skin, and now that JC is getting the ball to him you will all once again see that he's a true probowler. GO TANA MAN!

Monkeydad 09-22-2008 11:17 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=jsarno;479445]I was vocal about Moss not being what we needed him to be, and not being a true #1 wr, but he has certainly been impressive and worthy of our #1 spot thus far. So I felt it fitting to start this thread. He is showing his pro bowl form again, and I love it. I said it before, and I'll say it again, I love watching him create when he catches a slant or screen...he's very explosive when healthy.

week 1- 5 rec, 37 yards, 1 td
week 2- 7 rec, 164 yards, 1 td
week 3- 7 rec, 75 yards, 1 td

He's on pace for 101 receptions, 1472 yards, and 16 tds!

Thank you for stepping up Moss...we need it![/quote]

Don't forget his big run last week for 27 yards. :)


Yep, he's back. He looks incredible.

Santana just tied Bobby Mitchell's record for a TD catch in 6 straight games. He'll beat that record next week. No fears of getting horsecollared either. :D






[I]Side note - Sinorice has 1 catch for 23 yards this season.[/I]

jsarno 09-22-2008 06:21 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=DirtyLandry;479493]How about Jason Campbell and his 100.1 passer rating, 65% completion, 4 TD's and 0 INT's. I love Moss but we should be talking about the guy throwing him the ball.[/quote]

We are...have you missed the other threads? Seems like all we have talked about is Campbell to this point this year, Moss deserved some love.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 09-22-2008 07:20 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Tell Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison that you can't be a true #1 unless you're 6'4". Moss is injury-prone, but he is dominant when healthy. Moss has top flight speed, acceleration, and agility and I have yet to see anyone adjust to the ball like he can.

skinsnut 09-22-2008 08:54 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
As well as Moss has done this year, it was that first deep TD clutch Campbell to Moss catch that makes him dangerous.

Until that happened against the Saints, I don't remember any Campbell passes to Moss that were of the same sort that Brunell had with him.

This deep chemistry was sorely needed....especially with a west coast system when most passes are under 10 yards....not to mention the positive impact that has on the running game.....now they are going deep at least once a game....and that my friends makes a productive 1st down machine into a quick strike offense....that is a MAJOR development.

DirtyLandry 09-22-2008 09:07 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=jsarno;479913]We are...have you missed the other threads? Seems like all we have talked about is Campbell to this point this year, Moss deserved some love.[/quote]

The only one I could find was the 'JC is not what I thought' thread that was bumped after the AZ game. But I regress...

jsarno 09-22-2008 09:21 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=DirtyLandry;479951]The only one I could find was the 'JC is not what I thought' thread that was bumped after the AZ game. But I regress...[/quote]

Just an FYI, if you do a search of his name, you'll find all the threads that speak about him even though his name might not be in the title. There are about 7 in the last 10 days that are mainly about him.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/search.php?searchid=239851[/url]

DirtyLandry 09-22-2008 09:24 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Thanks for the info js...this will come in handy as I am relatively new to this site.

jsarno 09-22-2008 10:22 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=DirtyLandry;479957]Thanks for the info js...this will come in handy as I am relatively new to this site.[/quote]

No problem. I still don't utilyze that tool as much as I should and I'm a long time member here.

SouperMeister 09-22-2008 10:39 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Redskin;479451]nnanaannanana dude there is no way he is a viable #1 reciever, he would be #3 every where else. The guy is terrible, would not make it on a college team. To small, not fast enough, does not have the hands. Plus he always gets hurt, we need to trade him now while he is still looking promising.[/quote]This may be the most ridiculous post I've seen in the last few years. You can argue about Santana's size (or lack thereof), but not fast enough you say? He is far and away the fastest man on the team. He has caught numerous long TD's over the years because of his superior speed. Clearly my friend, you do not recognize 4.3 speed when it screams past the opposition. When Moss is healthy, he is damn near impossible to cover if our QB's have any time to deliver the ball. Nobody puts up 1,400 yards in a season if they aren't a PLAYER.

NM Redskin 09-22-2008 10:50 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Moss is tied for 4th in yards, tied for 2nd in tds. Of the people he is tied with in tds, Moss has the most yards. He is a true number 1!

As far as fastest, Laudry might have something to say about that(sorry CP). Would be a good race for sure.

GTripp0012 09-23-2008 12:09 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;479929]Tell Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison that you can't be a true #1 unless you're 6'4". Moss is injury-prone, but he is dominant when healthy. Moss has top flight speed, acceleration, and agility and I have yet to see anyone adjust to the ball like he can.[/quote]After my great frustration with the logic used at the top of this draft, I'm finding it quite sweet that the guys leading our offense (Campbell aside) are 5' 10' or shorter.

DirtyLandry 09-23-2008 12:21 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Moss is like a Ferrari. Super fast, but high maintanence. Hopefully he can avoid all of those hammys this year. He's a #1 in my book.

The Goat 09-23-2008 12:41 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
I too was a Moss doubter headed into this year's campaign. Always a cynic I guess because I can't help wonder whether the presence of Kelly/Thomas/Davis gave Moss some extra motivation ever since the draft. I don't think he has looked this focused since 2005, but then again I understand injuries played a part.

MTK 09-23-2008 09:04 AM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
[quote=SouperMeister;480010]This may be the most ridiculous post I've seen in the last few years. You can argue about Santana's size (or lack thereof), but not fast enough you say? He is far and away the fastest man on the team. He has caught numerous long TD's over the years because of his superior speed. Clearly my friend, you do not recognize 4.3 speed when it screams past the opposition. When Moss is healthy, he is damn near impossible to cover if our QB's have any time to deliver the ball. Nobody puts up 1,400 yards in a season if they aren't a PLAYER.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. At least I hope he was.

marcellus magruder sr. 09-26-2008 01:45 PM

Re: Moss has been outstanding!!!
 
Santana Moss is Healthy this yearrrrrrrrrrrrrr! he look back in his College Days at the U


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