JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

On Vinny's show this morning VC said that JLC called the NFL and requested the Redskins be sanctioned for tampering because VC and Schefter discussed the Lane Kiffin situation last Friday.

There's an axe to grind and there's trying to hurt the franchise. It'll be interesting to see what JLC says in Insider to respond.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

If that's true that's pretty shitty on JLC's part, but really not surprising.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

wow, that is really messed up.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

You gotta be kidding me! Why would JLC even think that is tampering? VC isn't allowed to talk to a reporter about something like that? There has to be more to that story. JLC may have an axe to grind but I don't think he is stupid and you'd have to be stupid to think that is tampering. You'd also have to be stupid to get involved like that when your job basically depends on having access that would most likely get cut off once you go around burning bridges like that. No way I believe it. I just don't think he is that stupid.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=FRPLG;479590]You gotta be kidding me! Why would JLC even think that is tampering? VC isn't allowed to talk to a reporter about something like that? There has to be more to that story. JLC may have an axe to grind but I don't think he is stupid and you'd have to be stupid to think that is tampering. You'd also have to be stupid to get involved like that when your job basically depends on having access that would most likely get cut off once you go around burning bridges like that. No way I believe it. I just don't think he is that stupid.[/quote]I'm with you. Although I don't think VC would just make something like that up.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

Is this really a surprise? JLC's distaste for Snyder and Cerrato never ceases to amaze me. I'm pretty critical of the two, but JLC takes things to a different, unprofessional level. JLC comes off as a little, angry, bitter twirp.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

I've looked around and at extremeskins they are basically saying JLC called up the NFL to see if we'd be charged with tampering for the conversation that Shefter and VC had about Kiffin last week ON FREAKING AIR! Like talking about a situation like that is tampering. How the f*ck is that even remotely tampering? Why would that dumbass think of tyhat question? What the hell is wrong with JLC? He needs to to bve moved to another beat. I love the work he has done in the past but he has become clearly not objective. Is he like 5 years old? Trying to be a tattletale?

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;479594]Is this really a surprise? JLC's distaste for Snyder and Cerrato never ceases to amaze me. I'm pretty critical of the two, but JLC takes things to a different, unprofessional level. JLC comes off as a little, angry, bitter twirp.[/quote]

Don't forget "know it all".

What I think is funny is how much Larry Michale's hates him. On Mchael's comcast show he does the source-meter thing where it basically is a shot directly at JLC for using uncited sources all the time. It is a feature specifically designed for JLC and JLC only. It is quite alarming that Larry would do it which makes it pretty clear how much he disrespects JLC.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

wow. what a beyatch. i'll be checking insider for his rebuttal. but if that's true, i'm not reading insider anymore. i don't respect that.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

Do you guys actually believe everything VC sais is true? Let's wait for a little more to come out of this. You never know but i'd think that JLC wouldn't do something like that w/ out some serious proof behind the accusations.

As we've learned just b/c VC sais something, don't neccessarily believe it's true.

There may indeed be an axe to grind w/ JLC. Before we find JLC guilty I think it's best to get some more info.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

I forgot to mention in the original post that it was an on air interview that the conversation took place. It was NOWHERE close to tampering, he just offered a question and opinion.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

JLC needs to go. Make him cover DC United or the Capitals. I think Barry Svrluga (sp) would be a huge upgrade as a beat writer. He did a great job when he covered the Nats.

I think JLC definitely has an axe to grind with our FO. He needs to get over it and just do his job. What douche....

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=redsk1;479600]Do you guys actually believe everything VC sais is true? Let's wait for a little more to come out of this. You never know but i'd think that JLC wouldn't do something like that w/ out some serious proof behind the accusations.

As we've learned just b/c VC sais something, don't neccessarily believe it's true.

There may indeed be an axe to grind w/ JLC. Before we find JLC guilty I think it's best to get some more info.[/quote]

This could indeed all be BS, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true. Have you read JLC's blog? He doesn't just take swipes at the FO moves (which is fair), he seems to take swipes at the FO as individuals (which is a little unprofessional, even for a blog).

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=FRPLG;479590]You gotta be kidding me! Why would JLC even think that is tampering? VC isn't allowed to talk to a reporter about something like that? There has to be more to that story. JLC may have an axe to grind but I don't think he is stupid and you'd have to be stupid to think that is tampering. You'd also have to be stupid to get involved like that when your job basically depends on having access that would most likely get cut off once you go around burning bridges like that. No way I believe it. I just don't think he is that stupid.[/quote]

I know nothing about the situation other than what I have read in this thread. Clearly there is a dislike between LaCanfora and the FO and it runs in both directions. Based on your description of events, though, isn't calling the NFL office to ask a question reporting? It actually strikes me as kind of an interesting question. Given the unprecedented nature of having an NFL executive do a radio show, could conversations he has on the air become tampering and how much latitude does he really have to discuss issues that a normal radio host could obviously cover with ease. Seems like a legitimate question to me. Because the way you put it, he was not calling to tell the NFL office there was tampering, he was asking whether they considered it tampering. Reporters do ask questions.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

TAMPERING? How? We're not trying to hire Kiffin and we don't benefit in any way whether he stays or goes.

It's nothing like when Minnesota was talking to Favre...they were actually trying to get him on their team.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;479640]This could indeed all be BS, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true. Have you read JLC's blog? He doesn't just take swipes at the FO moves (which is fair), he seems to take swipes at the FO as individuals (which is a little unprofessional, even for a blog).[/quote]

I read it all of the time. Our "GM" the last 7-8 years has been one person, Vinny Cerrato. Our owner is one person, Daniel Snyder. I've criticized JLC before for being a little negative. So, I'll call him out when neccessary, but for the most part he does a good job. It's hard when criticizing the FO not to criticize the person who runs it, VC.

Let's get some more information about this before we judge. I'm not going to just believe something VC sais, b/c I'm sure there's another side to this.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=redsk1;479651]It's hard when criticizing the FO not to criticize the person who runs it, VC. [/quote]

What I meant was that JLC takes [B]petty[/B] swipes at VC and DS as people, not as GM and owner of the Redskins. Would you agree that JLC seems to really, really personally dislike VC and DS and he lets those feelings show in his blog?

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;479643]I know nothing about the situation other than what I have read in this thread. Clearly there is a dislike between LaCanfora and the FO and it runs in both directions. Based on your description of events, though, isn't calling the NFL office to ask a question reporting? It actually strikes me as kind of an interesting question. Given the unprecedented nature of having an NFL executive do a radio show, could conversations he has on the air become tampering and how much latitude does he really have to discuss issues that a normal radio host could obviously cover with ease. Seems like a legitimate question to me. Because the way you put it, he was not calling to tell the NFL office there was tampering, he was asking whether they considered it tampering. Reporters do ask questions.[/quote]

Could it have been a harmless question? Sure, but I doubt it. It sounds more like "tattling."

JLC was highly critical of VC's appearance on the show and I would bet money that JLC said to himself, "It would be great if VC's appearance on the show resulting in tampering penalties. I could then say, 'See how stupid this whole idea, and VC, are?'" IMO, JLC was once again making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=redsk1;479651]I read it all of the time. Our "GM" the last 7-8 years has been one person, Vinny Cerrato. Our owner is one person, Daniel Snyder. I've criticized JLC before for being a little negative. So, I'll call him out when neccessary, but for the most part he does a good job. It's hard when criticizing the FO not to criticize the person who runs it, VC.

Let's get some more information about this before we judge. I'm not going to just believe something VC sais, b/c I'm sure there's another side to this.[/quote]

Cerrato has NOT been our GM the last few years or ever. At no time did he have duties that could even be construed as GM duties. He directed our personel scouting both collegiate and pro. That's it. He didn't make deals, sign players, makes trades. Those moves were done by Joe Gibbs as president of football operations. This year is Vinny's first at calling the shots.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

im pretty lost, I dont understand how this is tampering. Were we trying to get kiffinf to come to the redskins or something? if so, i could understand that charge, but if not, It makes no sense??? Are the redskins FO not allowed to talk to shefter about current events around the league?? if someone doesnt do something about all this bullshit now, the NFL will lose alot of fans, because people dont want to put up with this shit. WE just want to watch football

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=FRPLG;479700]Cerrato has NOT been our GM the last few years or ever. At no time did he have duties that could even be construed as GM duties. He directed our personel scouting both collegiate and pro. That's it. He didn't make deals, sign players, makes trades. Those moves were done by Joe Gibbs as president of football operations. This year is Vinny's first at calling the shots.[/quote]

Very true, but VC was always taken the brunt end of everything negative that happend with the redskins, when in turn, that was not his fault. Vinny has done a great job this year so far, and I think he has handled things great. I used to have a diff opinion about him until I actually started seeing all the good he does for this team and he actually cares, and he has done some reallll good things.; He did wonders for the 49ers back in the day. Vinny C is good for our organization, especially now that him and DS are growing and not just tossing money around at old,worn out vets. theres nothing wrong with spending big, just make sure you dont get worn out players who wont be able to play more than 1-2 years ( J. TAylor is different)

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=FRPLG;479700]Cerrato has NOT been our GM the last few years or ever. At no time did he have duties that could even be construed as GM duties. He directed our personel scouting both collegiate and pro. That's it. He didn't make deals, sign players, makes trades. Those moves were done by Joe Gibbs as president of football operations. This year is Vinny's first at calling the shots.[/quote]

Official job names aside, VC has been here for 7-8 yrs has worked as Dan's #1 the whole time, and yes, i guess JG's was indeed President of Football Operations. VC has been an intrigal part of free agency, drafting, and how this football team operates. He was the main reason we signed Brandon LLoyd, he admitted as much. Not trying to nitpick but VC, names aside, has played a huge role in this teams overall FO dealings.

But, yes, technically this is VC's first year calling the shots.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;479663]What I meant was that JLC takes [B]petty[/B] swipes at VC and DS as people, not as GM and owner of the Redskins. Would you agree that JLC seems to really, really personally dislike VC and DS and he lets those feelings show in his blog?[/quote]

I would agree. He does issue praise from time to time as well.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;479665]Could it have been a harmless question? Sure, but I doubt it. It sounds more like "tattling."

JLC was highly critical of VC's appearance on the show and I would bet money that JLC said to himself, "It would be great if VC's appearance on the show resulting in tampering penalties. I could then say, 'See how stupid this whole idea, and VC, are?'" IMO, JLC was once again making a mountain out of a mole hill.[/quote]
If I'm correct they are talking about VC's new show called "IN THe Red Zone" which is on Mon. & Fri. for two hours. I also heard someone on one station talking about this issue and how easy the tampering rule could become an issue when talking about players from other teams.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

Wow, this is pathetic. I think I've just lost all respect for JLC. The funny thing is I think that certain fractions of the Post are encouraging this type of behavior. Hopefully someone will get through to JLC and the others (Cindy Boren) and help them realize that this isn't objective reporting. In fact it's downright bias. The only one that doesn't seem to have an axe to grind is Reid and honestly it's about time for JLC to move on.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;479665]Could it have been a harmless question? Sure, but I doubt it. It sounds more like "tattling."

JLC was highly critical of VC's appearance on the show and I would bet money that JLC said to himself, "It would be great if VC's appearance on the show resulting in tampering penalties. I could then say, 'See how stupid this whole idea, and VC, are?'" IMO, JLC was once again making a mountain out of a mole hill.[/quote]

I do not care for the word 'tattling', but I agree that he was likely scrutinizing the VC show to a greater degree given the relationship. But I think it is an interesting question nonetheless. What are some possible implications of an NFL executive discussing NFL matters for four hours a week? It is a legitimate question for a reporter to ask. I think someone should ask the question. I also think that JLC has placed himself in a position where he can be attacked for asking what is a legitimate question. Carrying on sophmoric personal feuds in a public blog does not help his legitimacy as a reporter. I do agree with that.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;479741]Wow, this is pathetic. I think I've just lost all respect for JLC. The funny thing is I think that certain fractions of the Post are encouraging this type of behavior. Hopefully someone will get through to JLC and the others (Cindy Boren) and help them realize that this isn't objective reporting. In fact it's downright bias. The only one that doesn't seem to have an axe to grind is Reid and honestly it's about time for JLC to move on.[/quote]

Well they now have 3 guys on the beat and my guess is they are preparing a succession. Reid has hit the beat for a while now and Svrgula(sp?) has just been added so maybe the Post is hedging their bets.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

Can someone tell me why JLC is calling the NFL in the first place. Is that his job? Is it his place to call the NFL? He'a a reporter. Right? His check isn't signed by the NFL. Why is he doing this? If this is true some needs to sit this guy down and remind him what his job is.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Redskins_P;479628][B]JLC needs to go. Make him cover DC United or the Capitals.[/B] I think Barry Svrluga (sp) would be a huge upgrade as a beat writer. He did a great job when he covered the Nats.

I think JLC definitely has an axe to grind with our FO. He needs to get over it and just do his job. What douche....[/quote]Amen Brother. JLC has worn out his welcome on this beat. It's almost as if his highest aspiration is to personally knock Vinny down a peg. The guy needs to just shut the hell up, and do his job.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;479772]I do not care for the word 'tattling', but I agree that he was likely scrutinizing the VC show to a greater degree given the relationship. [B]But I think it is an interesting question nonetheless. What are some possible implications of an NFL executive discussing NFL matters for four hours a week? It is a legitimate question for a reporter to ask. [/B] I think someone should ask the question. I also think that JLC has placed himself in a position where he can be attacked for asking what is a legitimate question. Carrying on sophmoric personal feuds in a public blog does not help his legitimacy as a reporter. I do agree with that.[/quote]

If the question had been asked of the NFL in such a fashion - a generic, non-specific "what are the boundaries" type of inquiry - then I would have no problem with it (An example could even be used analogizing it to coaching shows - how much can a coach, on a local radio show, say about player controversies?) But apparently, the question was pointed and accusatory. As others have said, the manner in which the "investigation" was done appears to be a way to create a story for JLC rather than to determine how VC's may or may not be affected by the NFL's tampering rules.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

What's up with the Redskins media? Someone should do a story on analysts and bloggers who have personal issues with the team they report on!!!

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;479825]If the question had been asked of the NFL in such a fashion - a generic, non-specific "what are the boundaries" type of inquiry - then I would have no problem with it (An example could even be used analogizing it to coaching shows - how much can a coach, on a local radio show, say about player controversies?) But apparently, the question was pointed and accusatory. As others have said, the manner in which the "investigation" was done appears to be a way to create a story for JLC rather than to determine how VC's may or may not be affected by the NFL's tampering rules.[/quote]


Precisely.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

The Redskins have practically told the local media to either "fuck off" or "pay us." I don't know why they would expect any sort of class from sports writers considering the fact that the Redskins organization hasn't shown any?

Make no mistake folks, the Redskins have intentionally made the jobs of sports writers covering the Redskins very difficult. They shouldn't expect any love in return. Bitch moves begets bitch moves.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=saden1;479840]The Redskins have practically told the local media to either "fuck off" or "pay us." I don't know why they would expect any sort of class from sports writers considering the fact that the Redskins organization hasn't shown any?

Make no mistake folks, the Redskins have intentionally made the jobs of sports writers covering the Redskins very difficult. They shouldn't expect any love in return. Bitch moves begets bitch moves.[/quote]

I have no doubts about the fact that the Redskins are probably bitches when it comes to coverage of their team. You can see it in the Peter Angelos like move where Snyder hired Larry Michael and let Herzog go.

Still there're guys like Wise and Wilbon who cover the team objectively and don't take cheap shots, if anything I would hope they could be the model for writers who cover the team in the future.

And on that note why the hell would we want a beat writer thats intentionally trying to cost the Redskins draft picks?

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

What good purpose was there for calling the NFL with a question like that? If the NFL had decided it WAS tampering, we would have probably been fined and more importantly, LOST draft picks. Of course everybody would have been calling for Vinnys head then. Just like JLC would like. His personal vendetta has gone to far and he needs to be FIRED.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;479846]I have no doubts about the fact that the Redskins are probably bitches when it comes to coverage of their team. You can see it in the Peter Angelos like move where Snyder hired Larry Michael and let Herzog go.

Still there're guys like Wise and Wilbon who cover the team objectively and don't take cheap shots, if anything I would hope they could be the model for writers who cover the team in the future.

And on that note why the hell would we want a beat writer thats intentionally trying to cost the Redskins draft picks?[/quote]

Wilbon watches the game from the comfort of his couch and writes about it the next day, other guys like JLC make a living covering the Redskins. Two difference types of reporting if you ask me. Plus Wilbon is a national, I barely know who JLC is and I never really read what he writes.

As for JLC costing the Redskins draft pick, I don't know the whole story. What I do know is that the Redskins management should know the tampering rules. If we break the rules I have no problem with us losing draft picks and if we do lose draft picks the blame lies not with JLC but with Vinny and Snyder. I mean, if we're going to hold players accountable for their actions we should afford managment the same responsability oppertunities

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=saden1;479849]If we break the rules I have no problem with us losing draft picks and if we do lose draft picks the blame lies not with JLC but with Vinny and Snyder. I mean, if we're going to hold players accountable for their actions we should afford managment the same responsability oppertunities[/quote]

Well I have a problem with it when a writer intentionally goes out of his way to fuck the Redskins in the ass. His problem with Vinny is his problem, but when you're trying to cost my team a draft pick or two. I have just have a problem with that. And calling up the NFL and mentioning this is doing just that. And I can't believe that wouldn't bother you. Especially, if we do end up losing a draft pick out of this.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=Miller101;479854]Well I have a problem with it when a writer intentionally goes out of his way to fuck the Redskins in the ass. His problem with Vinny is his problem, but when you're trying to cost my team a draft pick or two. I have just have a problem with that. And calling up the NFL and mentioning this is doing just that. And I can't believe that wouldn't bother you. Especially, if we do end up losing a draft pick out of this.[/quote]

I don't really care what JLC does and what he does shouldn't be relevant at all. I find the Redskins potentially putting themselves in a position to be at the mercy of a sports writer more bothersome.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=saden1;479840]The Redskins have practically told the local media to either "fuck off" or "pay us." I don't know why they would expect any sort of class from sports writers considering the fact that the Redskins organization hasn't shown any?[/quote]

Because you cannot control other people's actions, only your own. Acting in a mature and professional manner isn't something that should be contingent on the behavior of others. Only immature children use the "they started it" defense as an excuse for their own actions.

Re: JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?
 

[quote=saden1;479859]I don't really care what JLC does and what he does shouldn't be relevant at all. I find the Redskins potentially putting themselves in a position to be at the mercy of a sports writer more bothersome.[/quote]

What VC did/said was not even close to tampering. Moreover, to run to the NFL and try to get the Redskins sanctioned for a non-issue is bothersome and is relevant to whether JLC is a jackass.