Should Jansen stay in the starting lineup?
 

The running game was much more effective yesterday, and I didn't notice the difficulty in running to the right that we had with Heyer in there. Should big Jon keep the starting job?

I thought his benching was a bit premature, but I guess coming off his preseason struggles I can understand it to a degree.

To me Jansen is still a notch above Heyer and they should keep him in there. What are your thoughts?

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I noticed that our run game was markedly improved with Jansen yesterday. If we pick up that many yards per play on the ground with him in then we should keep him in.

Having that strong running game put us in control the entire game and then snuffed out their chances at the end.


If that was a product of Jansen, yes...if that was only chance then no.

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Jansen did a heck of a job. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Keep him on the field!

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Maybe we could just play both Heyer and Jansen, depending on our game-plan and/or match-ups each week?

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Wasn't the complaint that he was not pass blocking well enough and speed rushers were getting past him.....what happened yesterday? maybe I'm forgetting something but I believe the only what 2 sacks Dallas had was not his side...right? One was on our left guard Samuels and one was a stunt or spin move up the middle.

I feel like Ghetto though. See who we are playing and decide who starts but I also think we should be rotating them out just to throw the Defenses off. Don't change due to certain situations because it would tip off other teams, just rotate them willy nilly to throw the D off.

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I'm not so sure. He got pushed right back into JC on a couple of pass plays. His pass blocking just isn't there but he was so good in the run game. Perhaps we can put in Heyer on pass plays and Jansen on run downs. Think anyone would notice?

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i think its his pass protection that got him benched, which is more important than his run blocking skill. there are other ways to make holes if someone isn't as strong at run blocking on the line, but if you have a guy getting man handled in pass protection you have to constantly commit guys to help him opening up yourself to blitzes, and now with the moving pockets and things he's not adjusted well.

not actually making a case against him as i like him very much and hope he improves, just doesn't seem likely at this stage in his career.

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I still think Jansen is our best choice, I agree that the benching was premature. After having ridden the bench for the first 3 games I'm sure he's hungry to prove them wrong and as the season progresses and his conditioning improves, he will get better and prove that he still has it.

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I'd have to watch the game again but I really don't recall him having any major issues in pass pro, and considering the pass rushing talent the Cowboys have that's saying something. Even Samuels had his hands full yesterday.

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Jansen played a great game but I hate a guy losing his starting position due to injury. Of course Heyer thought he could go but the coaches made the decision to start Jansen anyway so maybe they feel Jansen gives us the best opportunity to win. I know the OLine needs cohesion to stay sharp but maybe keep Jansen in the starting lineup but let the whole second string (Reinhart, Geisinger, Fabini, & Heyer) get a series a game.

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Heyer seems to be a better pass blocker, while Jansen still seems to be an effective run blocker. Switching them in and out based on that would give too much away to opposing defenses, but maybe start Jansen, and bring Heyer in on two minute drills and other obvious passing situations.

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I'm guessing it will depend on Heyer's sprained shoulder, but either option at this point is a relatively good option. This is the kind of problems any NFL team would dream of. The Eagles have an incredible pass rush (17 sacks in the first 4 games, including 9 against Pittsburgh), so I'd give the nod to Heyer at that point.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;483096]Maybe we could just play both Heyer and Jansen, depending on our game-plan and/or match-ups each week?[/quote]

- i completely agree, and i think thats what they did with dallas.
PS-it wasn't mistake free he had an uncalled false start. it wasn't a big play though

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My first inclination is HELL YES, leave him in as the run game was primo against a good D. I would like to see some highlights as well.

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JJ played the entire game.

You can't switch them in and out during a game, it's way too obvious.

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Move Jansen to Center and bring back Heyer. :D


Or make Rabach run laps all day today.

I think Jansen earned his spot back. Heyer will be a quality backup as long as Jon plays well.

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Very tough call. With the Philly blitz coming, whoever is there will be tested. A tough call for Zorn and Buges.

The advantage in the run game is a big deal. That may sway things to Jansen.

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How is our Guard play?

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both jansen and heyer are going to get nicks and injuries as the season goes along so id say we start who ever is able to practice all week. one good thing is that it seems it doesnt mess up the Oline cohesion if either one comes in from week to week. i didnt see any communication problems or missed assignments (except rabach) so they seem to be interchangeable which is a good thing.

either way they are both probaly at the same level, ones better at the run while i still am not convinced that heyer is descernably better at pass pro.

go skins!!

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Maybe we could work him in at center some. Rabach was terrible yesterday. Not only did he have two bad calls but Ratliff was just abusing him yesterday.

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JJ had a SOLID game. He might have earned a shot back in the starting lineup. May the best man win!

He looked a whole lot closer to the old JJ yesterday than I've seen in quite some time, maybe thats just what he needed.

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Jansen probably still has it. With that said, I think Heyer has earned his starting job based on his game film from the Saints and Cards games. I think it's Heyer's job when he's healthy.

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[quote=Hog1;483170]How is our Guard play?[/quote]Very strong over the last three weeks. Kendall appears to be better for Zorn's blocking schemes than Randy Thomas, although Thomas has put three nice games in a row together after a lackluster opening night.

Some breakdowns in protection aside, the only problem spot on the OL appears to be Center. But I'll admit, Rabach got totally f'ed on the holding call. He was simply going to cut Ratliff, and Ratliff happended to get caught on his arm as he tried to shoot the gap. Nothing remotely close to holding.

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It was solid, nice to see some depth there at tackle...

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Absolutley and I think he will stay. Buges went through the same thing with Bostic and it worked out pretty well, so with that said, welcome back Jansen.

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I think Heyer would benefit from the game experience since he's likely the future of the position. I think JJ makes a great back up but the Skins need to develop the future now.

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Things are looking better for Jansen:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/zorn_presser_-_jansen_may_star.html]Jansen May Start Again - Redskins Insider[/url]

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[quote=LMsexyAO;483261]Things are looking better for Jansen:

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/zorn_presser_-_jansen_may_star.html"]Jansen May Start Again - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

Good, it's well deserved.

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I think it is great that we have two good options here. that is one of the big reasons for success this year. Guys are still going down like before but someone is stepping right in without missing a beat.

We have some great players i nthe wings ready to take over for some of our older veterans.

These are exiciting times!

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[quote=GTripp0012;483228]Very strong over the last three weeks. Kendall appears to be better for Zorn's blocking schemes than Randy Thomas, although Thomas has put three nice games in a row together after a lackluster opening night.

Some breakdowns in protection aside, the only problem spot on the OL appears to be Center. But I'll admit, Rabach got totally f'ed on the holding call. He was simply going to cut Ratliff, and Ratliff happended to get caught on his arm as he tried to shoot the gap. Nothing remotely close to holding.[/quote]
We need JJ in there somewhere. You KNOW that dude is serious. he played the entire season with broken thumbs!

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[quote=LMsexyAO;483261]Things are looking better for Jansen:

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/zorn_presser_-_jansen_may_star.html"]Jansen May Start Again - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

I get a little concerned with this idea of switching back and forth across the line. I think they both play great, but what kind of message does this send if Jansen gets owned next week and we go back to Heyer again and over and over and over?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;483311]I get a little concerned with this idea of switching back and forth across the line. I think they both play great, but what kind of message does this send if Jansen gets owned next week and we go back to Heyer again and over and over and over?[/quote]

best man wins?

the RT starter doesn't concern me. both are good enough, neither is amazing at this point.

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[quote=Buster;483153]Move Jansen to Center and bring back Heyer. :D
[/quote]

That is actually not a bad idea

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Jansen barely has any experience at center. I don't think it's a good idea to do any major reshuffling unless it's due to injury.

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i am for either starting..heyer needs to gain valuable experience to be a long term factor in the skins future and jansen is definitely a proven, classy veteran with a chip on his shoulder to play well right now. I dont think it will affect the chemistry too bad either way it goes.

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[quote=Mattyk72;483690]Jansen barely has any experience at center. I don't think it's a good idea to do any major reshuffling unless it's due to injury.[/quote]

True, but perhaps that is a good option beyond this year...I know they played with the idea in preseason.
Jansen doesn't do so well in space in pass coverage anymore, but he is a solid run blocker. He'd be an awesome center because of that.
Guards need to be more nimble due to pulling and they are usually larger.

Ya never know....if they are both considered better than Rabach by midseason, it could happen if they have Jansen start practicing snaps as a center backup again. Of course this is a major stretch, it is probably as likely as the Red Snapper playing center...but this idea does minimize Jansen's pass blocking decline

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Actually this is a good situation. Jansen has missed a lot of time in the past two years and that obviously has affected his technique. When healthy, we know he can get the job done. This competition is making him a better player and you can never have too many quality offensive linemen. Now if we can get some competition at the center position, we will have something going.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;483711]Actually this is a good situation. Jansen has missed a lot of time in the past two years and that obviously has affected his technique. When healthy, we know he can get the job done. This competition is making him a better player and you can never have too many quality offensive linemen. Now if we can get some competition at the center position, we will have something going.[/quote]

Great points all around h2dr. I like that JJ is showing some rebound, and Lord knows we all loved seeing those dives to the right side on Sunday w/o Portis getting nailed in the backfield. As to Rabach I don't understand what the deal is. Those consecutive penalties left me wondering whether his skill has diminished; however, I can't think of a reason why this would happen. Age should not be a factor. He's not injured. Maybe just an episode of mental laziness for a guy that has to work extra hard to be average.