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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U"]YouTube - McCain Tells Crowd Obama is Not Arab[/ame]

Just a bit ;), seriously though I'll give him credit he did the right thing here... scary that people like that woman are voting! :doh:

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It's kind of sad that her saying he's an Arab came across like he's the Devil.

Good for him for taking the microphone away from her though

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[quote=SmootSmack;488159]It's kind of sad that her saying he's an Arab came across like he's the Devil.

Good for him for taking the microphone away from her though[/quote]

That woman is so unbelievably ignorant it's sickening

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Sorry, I give Mac no points for this. For the past week he and Palin have stoked and incited this hate and anger and fear. They've stood by idlly while their supporters have called Barack everything except his name...and now, as things appear to out of control at his rallies, McCain is suddenly standing up for Barack and calling him a "decent guy"?

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By the way, what the heck is wrong with being Arab..and why is this hate so prevalent at Republican rallies? It's like it's some weird and perverted badge of honor to stick it in folks face and say, hey, you're not one of us, so you can't be trusted. I'm sick of it.

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[quote=12thMan;488180]Sorry, I give Mac no points for this. For the past week he and Palin have stoked and incited this hate and anger and fear. They've stood by idlly while their supporters have called Barack everything except his name...and now, as things appear to out of control at his rallies, McCain is suddenly standing up for Barack and calling him a "decent guy"?[/quote]

McCain has always called Obama a decent guy, and vice-versa. If you're referring to the whole Ayers situation, Palin handled it too aggressively in my opinion.

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This type of things has happened countless of times and this is the first time I have seen him defend Obama. Usually he smiles uncomfortably and that's all.

I agree with 12thMan but I'll give him props for doing more than simply smiling uncomfortably. In recent McCain/Palin rallies people screamed "terrorist" and "kill him" when Obama's name was mentioned and they referred to him using his middle name to "work the crowd" so I think overall McCain "sticking up" for Obama is "too little to late." Playing the good guy is not going to help McCain's defunct campaign.

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I think you guys are kind of missing my point here. I think McCain is a decent guy. What bothers me more than anything is the fact that these folks had the guts to ask McCain this one on one. It's the comfort level on the subject matter is what scares me.

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[quote=12thMan;488194]I think you guys are kind of missing my point here. I think McCain is a decent guy. What bothers me more than anything is the fact that these folks had the guts to ask McCain this one on one. It's the comfort level on the subject matter is what scares me.[/quote]

So are you saying McCain encouraged them to ask such questions?

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These "voters" (I'm hoping they're not actually voters) are idiots. But MSNBC doesn't help matters by saying "McCain forced to defend." They make it sound like McCain really wanted to let it slide but some law said he had to defend Obama, not that he did it on his own.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjUeMqTKfwE]YouTube - McCain forced to defend Obama vs. hateful ignorant mob[/url]

As for that clip where he "did nothing" I'm going to guess that McCain didn't actually hear the guy scream "terrorist" I hardly heard it myself. But I suppose it's more exciting to suggest he encouraged the vitriol.

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[quote=12thMan;488181]By the way, what the heck is wrong with being Arab..and why is this hate so prevalent at Republican rallies? It's like it's some weird and perverted badge of honor to stick it in folks face and say, hey, you're not one of us, so you can't be trusted. I'm sick of it.[/quote]

OK, give us the proff that its so prevalent at Republican rallies.

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[quote=saden1;488184]This type of things has happened countless of times and this is the first time I have seen him defend Obama. Usually he smiles uncomfortably and that's all.

I agree with 12thMan but I'll give him props for doing more than simply smiling uncomfortably. In recent McCain/Palin rallies people screamed "terrorist" and "kill him" when Obama's name was mentioned and they referred to him using his middle name to "work the crowd" so I think overall McCain "sticking up" for Obama is "too little to late." Playing the good guy is not going to help McCain's defunct campaign.

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OK I need proff and not the same clip over and over again.

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[quote=SmootSmack;488207]These "voters" (I'm hoping they're not actually voters) are idiots. But MSNBC doesn't help matters by saying "McCain forced to defend." They make it sound like McCain really wanted to let it slide but some law said he had to defend Obama, not that he did it on his own.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjUeMqTKfwE"]YouTube - McCain forced to defend Obama vs. hateful ignorant mob[/URL]

As for that clip where he "did nothing" I'm going to guess that McCain didn't actually hear the guy scream "terrorist" I hardly heard it myself. But I suppose it's more exciting to suggest he encouraged the vitriol.[/quote]

Ultimately it is about the message and the tone of McCain's campaign that attracts these people to him. His campaign has stroked fear and this is the byproduct. Asking [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question"]leading questions[/URL] is a great way to get these fools minds wondering and as they say "you reap what you sow."

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Unfortunately:

[quote]You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.

-Abraham Lincoln[/quote]

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[quote=firstdown;488210]OK I need proff and not the same clip over and over again.[/quote]


Huh?

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ill give the old man props. he could have stood by and done nothing. and some of those people are way out of control

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I find it strange that so many people who decry Obama being painted as an Arab, a terrorist, various racial slurs, have no issue at all with McCain/Republicans having just as wide a brush used on them. I'm registered Republican so of course I must be one or preferrably all of the following: Racist, Redneck and/or Retarded.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;488236]I find it strange that so many people who decry Obama being painted as an Arab, a terrorist, various racial slurs, have no issue at all with McCain/Republicans having just as wide a brush used on them. I'm registered Republican so of course I must be one or preferrably all of the following: Racist, Redneck and/or Retarded.[/quote]

They made the canvas and the paint available and gave us the brush to paint with. For what it's worth I don't think you're racist, retarded or a redneck, but I can't vouch for the Republican Party.

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Obama was booed by a crowd yesterday for merely acknowledging that McCain tried to correct the dumb statements that woman made. That's further proof that 50% of people lost 90% of their brains when they commit themselves to a political party.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;488236]I find it strange that so many people who decry Obama being painted as an Arab, a terrorist, various racial slurs, have no issue at all with McCain/Republicans having just as wide a brush used on them. I'm registered Republican so of course I must be one or preferrably all of the following: Racist, Redneck and/or Retarded.[/quote]

yeah i'm a redneck evangelical hunter of "baby killers" who deports gays on the side. but hey it's ok because I apparently provided the paint and the brush. never mind that I am actually of mixed heritage for gun control and lean republican for reasons that have nothing to do with whether offiss and kidwell want to tie the knot. there are idiots on both sides, but that should not define the two parties or the people that vote for them.

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You're more than welcome to paint a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/business/11bush.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin"]self portrait[/URL].

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I don't even know what the point of that link was, but whatever.

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This is just the chickens coming home to roost. They've gone very negative and they use a townhall style format. I am relieved that McCain said what he did (shades of the old John!), but the campaign has continued the rhetoric and the adds. Sparking up mob violence is not responsible politics, especially given the economic situation. And I'm not saying that McCain and co are saying "go do violence", but once they see what effect their words are having, they should back off.

As for the dems, the negativity there is not the usual "three Rs" that BB mentioned (which are just plain stupid, and the dumbest thing a democrat can think, IMO). It's McCain=Bush and McCain is erratic. Then there's the Keating 5 video. None of this stuff is saying McCain is anti-american or an outsider, nor do they touch on negative racial or religious stereotypes. That's not to say they are true or that they aren't negative. But they aren't unleashing mob anger they way the repub's stuff is.

There's obviously a fine line here. I'm fully accepting of negative campaigns: they're as old as the nation. But for the first time this election cycle, I actually felt afraid watching some of that stuff from early in the week at repub rallies. I am Jewish, so maybe I'm over-sensitive to angry rallies in tough economic times. But I think McCain at least has realized that this is getting out of control, even if others in his campaign seem to think that ANYTHING goes. Since these are the same guys who started a rumor about McCain's adopted daughter, I have no sympathy for him. But if you want to get the first black president of the United States killed, this would be one way. Nuts don't take much to set them off.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL OR MCCAIN OR HIS STAFF ARE TRYING TO INCITE VIOLENCE. My wife and father in law are republicans and I love and respect them very much. I'm just saying that this situation is potentially very dangerous. The repubs are playing with fire in this economic environment, IMHO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;488274]I don't even know what the point of that link was, but whatever.[/quote]

Bush painting a self portrait?

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saden, i think you are finally starting to rub some people the wrong way. but i dont know why? i think most of your stuff is funny

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Rubbing people the wrong way is a two-way street but the truth is I'm not trying to rub anyone anyway. I speak my mind is all.

On a side note, I visited my mom and dad yesterday and they had this new picture in their living room of them with congressman Tom Davis. He was our representative when we live in NOVA and I met him couple of times. He was a decent guy, a principled man, someone you could respect. You know what else? He's someone who I agree with with respect to the [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/magazine/05Davis-t.html?hp"]Republican Party[/URL] and a host of other issues. My current congressman is David Reichert, a worthless piece of shit yes-man by all accounts. Hopefully he's going to get the boot this year.

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[quote=saden1;488273]You're more than welcome to paint a [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/business/11bush.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin"]self portrait[/URL].[/quote]
The White House response sums this up about right:

The White House declined to discuss Mr. Bush’s private appearances. “This is typical New York Times nonsensical pseudo-analysis,” Tony Fratto, the deputy White House press secretary, said in an e-mail message.

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[quote=saden1;488212]Ultimately it is about the message and the tone of McCain's campaign that attracts these people to him. His campaign has stroked fear and this is the byproduct. Asking [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question"]leading questions[/URL] is a great way to get these fools minds wondering and as they say "you reap what you sow."

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Unfortunately:[/quote]
Saden you are always saying stuff about McCains judgement and judging him on that but you don't judge Obama at all on his past judgment. Its not like the Ayer's and Wright stuff happend when Obama was 20 it happend within the past year with Wright and Ayer's within five years. If this was either McCain or Sarah you would ask the same question.

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[quote=JWsleep;488290]This is just the chickens coming home to roost. They've gone very negative and they use a townhall style format. I am relieved that McCain said what he did (shades of the old John!), but the campaign has continued the rhetoric and the adds. Sparking up mob violence is not responsible politics, especially given the economic situation. And I'm not saying that McCain and co are saying "go do violence", but once they see what effect their words are having, they should back off.

As for the dems, the negativity there is not the usual "three Rs" that BB mentioned (which are just plain stupid, and the dumbest thing a democrat can think, IMO). It's McCain=Bush and McCain is erratic. Then there's the Keating 5 video. None of this stuff is saying McCain is anti-american or an outsider, nor do they touch on negative racial or religious stereotypes. That's not to say they are true or that they aren't negative. But they aren't unleashing mob anger they way the repub's stuff is.

There's obviously a fine line here. I'm fully accepting of negative campaigns: they're as old as the nation. But for the first time this election cycle, I actually felt afraid watching some of that stuff from early in the week at repub rallies. I am Jewish, so maybe I'm over-sensitive to angry rallies in tough economic times. But I think McCain at least has realized that this is getting out of control, even if others in his campaign seem to think that ANYTHING goes. Since these are the same guys who started a rumor about McCain's adopted daughter, I have no sympathy for him. But if you want to get the first black president of the United States killed, this would be one way. Nuts don't take much to set them off.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL OR MCCAIN OR HIS STAFF ARE TRYING TO INCITE VIOLENCE. My wife and father in law are republicans and I love and respect them very much. I'm just saying that this situation is potentially very dangerous. The repubs are playing with fire in this economic environment, IMHO.[/quote]
Well it seems that its the left that we allways see breaking windows attacking police etc... when the Rep. hold their convention. Heck this year we saw a group protesting and attacking a cop as the others stood around and watched. Yea, I know the Obama camp is not causing this but I don't ever see the Dems asking for them to stop this everytime they get a chance. So maybe you should really look at which side has these mobs that your talking about.

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[quote=firstdown;489254]Saden you are always saying stuff about McCains judgement and judging him on that but you don't judge Obama at all on his past judgment. Its not like the Ayer's and Wright stuff happend when Obama was 20 it happend within the past year with Wright and Ayer's within five years. If this was either McCain or Sarah you would ask the same question.[/quote]

I don't do guilt by association. I do guilt by conduct, policy, and speech. I don't think anyone in here is interested in me naming all the shady associates of the McCain/Palin ticket.

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[quote=JWsleep;488290]This is just the chickens coming home to roost. They've gone very negative and they use a townhall style format. I am relieved that McCain said what he did (shades of the old John!), but the campaign has continued the rhetoric and the adds. Sparking up mob violence is not responsible politics, especially given the economic situation. And I'm not saying that McCain and co are saying "go do violence", but once they see what effect their words are having, they should back off.

As for the dems, the negativity there is not the usual "three Rs" that BB mentioned (which are just plain stupid, and the dumbest thing a democrat can think, IMO). It's McCain=Bush and McCain is erratic. Then there's the Keating 5 video. None of this stuff is saying McCain is anti-american or an outsider, nor do they touch on negative racial or religious stereotypes. That's not to say they are true or that they aren't negative. But they aren't unleashing mob anger they way the repub's stuff is.

There's obviously a fine line here. I'm fully accepting of negative campaigns: they're as old as the nation. But for the first time this election cycle, I actually felt afraid watching some of that stuff from early in the week at repub rallies. I am Jewish, so maybe I'm over-sensitive to angry rallies in tough economic times. But I think McCain at least has realized that this is getting out of control, even if others in his campaign seem to think that ANYTHING goes. Since these are the same guys who started a rumor about McCain's adopted daughter, I have no sympathy for him. But if you want to get the first black president of the United States killed, this would be one way. Nuts don't take much to set them off.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL OR MCCAIN OR HIS STAFF ARE TRYING TO INCITE VIOLENCE. My wife and father in law are republicans and I love and respect them very much. I'm just saying that this situation is potentially very dangerous. The repubs are playing with fire in this economic environment, IMHO.[/quote]

Good points and I agree. This hatred that's coming from crowds when McCain or Palin speak is quite disturbing to say the least, I wish they would attempt to speak out and squash this stuff. Kill him? Terrorist? Off with his head? Wow...

I agree they aren't inciting violence, but they aren't doing anything to curb this disturbing behavior, and things could potentially get much uglier if they're not careful.

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[quote=saden1;489303]I don't do guilt by association. I do guilt by conduct, policy, and speech. I don't think anyone in here is interested in me naming all the shady associates of the McCain/Palin ticket.[/quote]
Ok, I'm intrested in all these shady people? Its not guilt its a question of his decision making. It one thing to be in a room with a people like this its another for one to be a big part of his life for 20 years and to kick off your political career at the persons home. Lets make it clear once again the guy is known for belonging to a group that is known to have bombed US targets.

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[quote=firstdown;489314]Ok, I'm intrested in all these shady people? Its not guilt its a question of his decision making. It one thing to be in a room with a people like this its another for one to be a big part of his life for 20 years and to kick off your political career at the persons home. Lets make it clear once again the guy is known for belonging to a group that is known to have bombed US targets.[/quote]

Here you go, have fun.

Palin:
[LIST][*]Thomas Muthee (a witch doctor extraordinaire, if you got the devil in you he can take care of it).
[yt]kj-on3kfWuE[/yt][*]Alaska Independence Party (crazy fringe party that really hates America).
[yt]eniG9l_7its[/yt][/LIST]
McCain:
[LIST][*]Marylin Shannon ([URL="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_connections_coming_back_to_haunt_1007.html"]domestic terrorist[/URL] who is pro abortion clinic bombing).[*]G. Gordon Liddy ([URL="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column"]a first class bad guy[/URL]).[*]U.S. Council for World Freedom ([URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/mccain_and_the_us_council_for.html"]McCain was a Board member and paled with Oliver North[/URL]).[*]Pastor John Hagee (this mofo is worse than Wright).
[yt]4qNi7tPanUA[/yt][*]Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (meeting and pandering with batshit crazy people who think 911 was a punishment from god).
[yt]H-CAcdta_8I[/yt][*]Charles Keating (the guy who put many a grandma and grampa in the poor house with the help of McCain).
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You forgot one, Saden:

George W. Bush

[IMG]http://mccainandbush.com/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/john-mccain-george-w-bush-hug-lead.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=JWsleep;489361]You forgot one, Saden:

George W. Bush

[IMG]http://mccainandbush.com/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/john-mccain-george-w-bush-hug-lead.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Not to digress, but since you brought up Bush, I thought this was interesting. Some comparisons are a bit of a stretch, but nonetheless...

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html]Another Four Years? [/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;489369]Not to digress, but since you brought up Bush, I thought this was interesting. Some comparisons are a bit of a stretch, but nonetheless...

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html]Another Four Years? [/url][/quote]

This is a guilt-by-association thing, not an argument! Just wanted to play a little rebulican-style ball here. ;)

As for that CNN piece, I don't find it very compelling. The similarities are often very thin: they agree on abstinence? On national security? Really?

But let's say it's true. Doesn't that give lie to the claim by the McCain camp that Obama is a radical liberal out of touch with America? If he's basically in-step with Bush, he is not a liberal. Can't have it both ways, even in this nutty election season.

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[quote=JWsleep;489379]This is a guilt-by-association thing, not an argument! Just wanted to play a little rebulican-style ball here. ;)

As for that CNN piece, I don't find it very compelling. The similarities are often very thin: they agree on abstinence? On national security? Really?

But let's say it's true. Doesn't that give lie to the claim by the McCain camp that Obama is a radical liberal out of touch with America? If he's basically in-step with Bush, he is not a liberal. Can't have it both ways, even in this nutty election season.[/quote]

Maybe Bush is a liberal? :)

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You might be joking but according to some conservative I know Bush is a liberal because he spends like one, etc, etc, etc. They were happy to claim him when he first got into office but they're now ready to toss him overboard and tell people he plays for the other side. It would be funny if they weren't so serious. I of course drop some Joe-Six-Pack knowledge on them and tell them when it comes to Bush I go with the "one-drop rule."

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[quote=JWsleep;489361]You forgot one, Saden:

George W. Bush

[IMG]http://mccainandbush.com/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/john-mccain-george-w-bush-hug-lead.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

that's a creepy looking hug

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Thats not a very good job with your associations and I don't see the personal conections. On that abortion bill which it is allready against the law to bomb or harrass people but making it illegal to protest is protected by law. You know the one.

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[quote=firstdown;489442]Thats not a very good job with your associations and I don't see the personal conections. On that abortion bill which it is allready against the law to bomb or harrass people but making it illegal to protest is protected by law. You know the one.[/quote]

I think it's silly but if we are comparing associations then I think mine are as valid as yours if not more valid. You are entitled to your opinion though.