Should we have signed Mason off Ravens PS?
 

Thinking back to all the hoopla over Mason not being on the final roster. Do you think we should go after Mason off the Ravens squad or is it too late since we signed Alexander? Mason already has been with the team and knows the team schemes and players well. Should we have picked up Mason before we got a washed up Shaun Alexander whom no one else in the entire league picked up?

Does this depend on how long LB will be out?

Your thoughts..

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They considered it and went with Alexander instead.

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You know -- I realize I am no expert -- but upside to Mason is that he could be a potential long term answer, where as Alexander is only a short-term solution at best.

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Marcus Mason is the new Colt Brennan on here I see. :D

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No. Even though Mason may have more upside, I still think we made the right decision with SA. Plus, why do we need a back with upside when we have 3 that are under the age of 28? Its not like Portis and Betts are getting old.

Shaun Alexander knows the system, and the coaching staff and has tons of experience. If he comes in and stinks it up, then we just cut him. I so no harm in that.

Plus, Mason isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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I think also Mason only really had a chance to replace Rock. With our pass blocking allready kinda of a weakness i dont think we could take the chance of putting Mason back there.

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[quote=Buster;490143]Marcus Mason is the new Colt Brennan on here I see. :D[/quote]

Why do we need a back with upside? Upside means they have the ability to get better not just thier age. Mason could be a valuable asset in the future. RB playing span in the league isn't that long, i.e. Shuan Alexander. He has peaked and is dwindling. Mason hasn't even peaked yet and is young with fresh legs and talent to boot. Upside is not just youth. Plus Rock obviously is not going to be running the ball that much. Maybe next game a couple of carries but I will bet anything they will slide in Alexander quickly. I am afraid that speaks a lot to their faith in Rock as the 2nd back.

He is not the new Colt Brennan. No one wants him to start or saying he is better than the starter. That is the big difference. No one is saying..let start mason over CP like people said about JC and Colt. SO that is not a good comparison. Duh!! People who were saying Colt over JC..have egg on face..Want some bacon and toast to go with that..?? :D

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If Mason were on the team, they'd be asking for him to replace Betts. You know it. :D

He seems to be appearing in every thread, that's more of the correlation I was making.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;490155]I am afriad that speaks a lot to their faith in Rock as the 2nd back.[/quote]

I think it speaks more to Rocks value as a special teamer/kick retuner. If Rock goes down with an injury, then who is going return kicks? Better yet, who would then be our 3rd string back? Do you really want Mason returning kicks? After his performance as a kick returner in preseason? I know I wouldn't trust him. Not yet at least.

Look I'm just as much of a fan Mason as everyone else. I just think that SA brings much more experience and knowledge of the offense.

If Mason has so much upside, then why haven't the Ravens brought him up from the PS? And we all know that they need help at RB.

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[quote=Buster;490159]^

If Mason were on the team, they'd be asking for him to replace Betts. You know it. :D

He seems to be appearing in every thread, that's more of the correlation I was making.[/quote]

That could be a possibility. But I hope it would have to do more with performance and that Mason was put in the game and showed more shiftiness and YAC than Betts. Betts is a good north and south runner. But when it comes to him making a defender miss he is not that good. But He picks up some good yards every now and then. He just doesn't have that much speed. But Betts is not the starter. CP is so Mason can't be compared to the start Colt over JC bs.

Where have all the Colt fans gone??? lol

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;490155]Why do we need a back with upside? Upside means they have the ability to get better not just thier age. Mason could be a valuable asset in the future. RB playing span in the league isn't that long, i.e. Shuan Alexander. He has peaked and is dwindling. Mason hasn't even peaked yet and is young with fresh legs and talent to boot. Upside is not just youth. [/quote]

While I agree with your assessment of Shaun Alexander, where is the proof that Mason is so much better? Because he looked good against scrubs in preseason? He couldn't even crack the practice squad in Washington, and can't even beat out the sorry ass backup running backs in Baltimore for a roster spot. Obviously, he doesn't look as good to multiple coaching staff's as he did in preseason.

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Of all the positions on our team to be worried about - RB is not it.

Plus, I think you're missing the point. Betts will only be out a few games, and will get his job back when he returns. We got Alexander for the vet min - no trading draft picks or nothing. If he shows flashes, we'll have gotten a great steal. If he doesn't, see ya later! No worries.

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[quote=Southpaw;490168]While I agree with your assessment of Shaun Alexander, where is the proof that Mason is so much better? Because he looked good against scrubs in preseason? He couldn't even crack the practice squad in Washington, and can't even beat out the sorry ass backup running backs in Baltimore for a roster spot. Obviously, he doesn't look as good to multiple coaching staff's as he did in preseason.[/quote]

What team did we sign Alexander from? Exactly!!

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;490169]Of all the positions on our team to be worried about - RB is not it.

Plus, I think you're missing the point. Betts will only be out a few games, and will get his job back when he returns. We got Alexander for the vet min - no trading draft picks or nothing. If he shows flashes, we'll have gotten a great steal. If he doesn't, see ya later! No worries.[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/23263-shaun-alexander-released-4.html[/url]

True..I agree..but would signing a pratice squad player warrant a hefty price tag...?

Its basically comes down to this. Zorn knows Alexander so I am sure he knows what he is doing. Case closed.

Did any teams work out Alexander at all? I think a few did. What were the reports on that? Anyone know?

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;490132]Thinking back to all the hoopla over Mason not being on the final roster. Do you think we should go after Mason off the Ravens squad or is it too late since we signed Alexander? Mason already has been with the team and knows the team schemes and players well. Should we have picked up Mason before we got a washed up Shaun Alexander whom no one else in the entire league picked up?

Does this depend on how long LB will be out?

Your thoughts..[/quote]

It's been repeated quite frequently here and in the news that the main reason he was let go was because he didn't pick up the offense so he was really a liability. So no, he didn't know the schemes.

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does'nt the fact that all 31 other teams passed on him when he lead the league in preseason rushing give you a clue that maybe he is'nt the budding superstar that folks think he is?there is a reason nobody else has signed him off the ravens ps.

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he may be able to run, but if he can't pass protect or run routes hes not going to be as much an asset as a liability. I think the only advantage he has over the move we made was price. Vet min for Alexander is a little more expensive.

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Shoulda, woulda, coulda, but for whatever reason the Redskins upper echlon said they been their and already got the t-shirt. SA better step up and show his worth which was not much for us but he turned down several teams over the summer and some turned him down so I suspect possible injuries. I hope those have healed and he is ready to show he should not have been let go. If nothing else this helps him either look good or proves he can't hang anymore. We either get a decent RB or end up grabbing Mason anyway after a few weeks.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;490155]Why do we need a back with upside? Upside means they have the ability to get better not just thier age. Mason could be a valuable asset in the future. RB playing span in the league isn't that long, i.e. Shuan Alexander. He has peaked and is dwindling. Mason hasn't even peaked yet and is young with fresh legs and talent to boot. Upside is not just youth. Plus Rock obviously is not going to be running the ball that much. Maybe next game a couple of carries but I will bet anything they will slide in Alexander quickly. I am afraid that speaks a lot to their faith in Rock as the 2nd back.

He is not the new Colt Brennan. No one wants him to start or saying he is better than the starter. That is the big difference. No one is saying..let start mason over CP like people said about JC and Colt. SO that is not a good comparison. Duh!! People who were saying Colt over JC..have egg on face..Want some bacon and toast to go with that..?? :D[/quote]
This has nothing to do with Rock its just a fact we need a third running back. What happens if CP goes down this week against the Browns. Rock will probably have to do the running but if CP is out a few weeks how is Rock going to carry the load. I'd much rather have Alex. & Rock carring the load rather then Mason & Rock. Sure Mason looked good in preseason but if he was all that and a bag of chips why is he sitting on the practice squad. I know Alex is sitting at home but I think Zorn knows what he has with him and feels he is the best man for the job right now. I also feel that Alex let his pride get in the way and wanted more $ then teams where willing to give him. Also remember this is a 12 game audition for him to prove he can still play in the NFL. So now we have an MVP wanting to show people up and that could be a real good thing for us. Worst case he helps us out some and goes back home. If we had to give up draft picks for Alex then I would agree with what your saying.

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mason wasn't good except against 4th stingers. he couldn't get the extra yard, couldn't pass block, couldn't learn the playbook... i mean, come on.

with all the injury troubles the ravens have had at RB (only taking two into the season, then having one get hurt), he couldn't even get on the 53 man roster there.

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He couldn't pick up the playbook or pass block, no thanks. Sultan McCollough gained a lot of yards in the preseason too. With the RB problems the Ravens have had this season, if he was NFL worthy don't you think he'd been activated by now?

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i would want a 3 time pro bowler and nfl mvp instead of someone who did good in a couple of preseason games

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[quote=over the hill gang;490357]i would want a 3 time pro bowler and nfl mvp instead of someone who did good in a couple of preseason games[/quote]

Nice post and welcome to the board.

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[quote=johnerotten;490242]does'nt the fact that all 31 other teams passed on him when he lead the league in preseason rushing give you a clue that maybe he is'nt the budding superstar that folks think he is?there is a reason nobody else has signed him off the ravens ps.[/quote]

Ditto.

Is this conversation for real? Mason or Alexander?

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[quote=over the hill gang;490357]i would want a 3 time pro bowler and nfl mvp instead of someone who did good in a couple of preseason games[/quote]

I think almost anyone would pick a nfl mvp pro bowler everytime. The problem is some of us don't think we are getting the nfl mvp probowler. Some of us think we are getting the broke down RB that was released by Seatle ....you know the one that was knocked out by Marcus Washington, the one that had the knee or foot problems, or perhaps the same on that had the shoulder problem, or maybe the one that had the hand injury. pick your choice.

I at this point in SA career would rather have a "healthy" young eager to play RB that will probably do fairly well now that the O-line has fixed their blocking issues since preseason and the first game against the Giants. Hell he's got to be better then Rock's running East/West in the back field during preseason.

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[quote=johnerotten;490242]does'nt the fact that all 31 other teams passed on him when he lead the league in preseason rushing give you a clue that maybe he is'nt the budding superstar that folks think he is?there is a reason nobody else has signed him off the ravens ps.[/quote]

I don't think SA was looking to be the temporary replacement for the #2 RB with those other teams.

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[quote=SBXVII;490400]I think almost anyone would pick a nfl mvp pro bowler everytime. The problem is some of us don't think we are getting the nfl mvp probowler. Some of us think we are getting the broke down RB that was released by Seatle ....you know the one that was knocked out by Marcus Washington, the one that had the knee or foot problems, or perhaps the same on that had the shoulder problem, or maybe the one that had the hand injury. pick your choice.

I at this point in SA career would rather have a "healthy" young eager to play RB that will probably do fairly well now that the O-line has fixed their blocking issues since preseason and the first game against the Giants. Hell he's got to be better then Rock's running East/West in the back field during preseason.[/quote]

The "healthy" young eager to play RB played terrible against a 1st team defense during the pre-season. Besides, I'm sure the Redskins can pick him up later on, as someone said in another thread, he's not going anywhere.

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Mason vs. Alexander= No brainer

Of course not. Mason has proved nothing in this league, thats why he is on a squad. Alexander has proven a ton, and is very hungry to prove he has gas in the tank. At a low cost salary, this was a great FO move to bring in a guy with his proven background in this league as a #1 RB at a bargain price to backup CP. This is a win,win situation for the Skins.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;490483]Mason vs. Alexander= No brainer

Of course not. Mason has proved nothing in this league, thats why he is on a squad. Alexander has proven a ton, and is very hungry to prove he has gas in the tank. At a low cost salary, this was a great FO move to bring in a guy with his proven background in this league as a #1 RB at a bargain price to backup CP. This is a win,win situation for the Skins.[/quote]Ultimately I agree with you on this being a great low cost move, but among the things that Shaun Alexander has "proven" is that he shouldn't be running the ball for an NFL team anymore.

So if we're going to play that angle, I would say I'd have to support Mason.

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I have a feeling a big part of Alexander's struggles the last couple years were more due to injury than him not having anything left in the tank. Sounds like he's healthy and ready to go now. I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table.

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[quote=Mattyk72;490513]I have a feeling a big part of Alexander's struggles the last couple years were more due to injury than him not having anything left in the tank. Sounds like he's healthy and ready to go now. I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table.[/quote]

From the sounds of it, he'll get a chance to spell Portis this Sunday already. I know it's extremely wishful thinking, but if he looks crisp and even the slightest bit like the Alexander of 2005.....

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so the arguments are:

mason isnt that good b/c if he was he wouldnt be sitting on the ravens practice squad?

and

SA is washed up b/c if he wasnt someone would have picked him up this offseason?

well i hope portis' hip flexor he got today isnt bad and he'll be ready to rumble sunday against a modest but not dominating browns d line.

go skins!!!!

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[quote=over the mountain;490624]so the arguments are:

mason isnt that good b/c if he was he wouldnt be sitting on the ravens practice squad?

and

SA is washed up b/c if he wasnt someone would have picked him up this offseason?

well i hope portis' hip flexor he got today isnt bad and he'll be ready to rumble sunday against a modest but not dominating browns d line.

go skins!!!![/quote]

He actually got the hip pointer on Sunday, which was why he rested yesterday. Apparently it's mild and he'll be fine.

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Mark it down... Alexander will score a TD this Sunday.

You heard it from me first.

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thanks GM, i admit i heard this from word of mouth so thanks for the clarification.

CA redskin - can i get a big "i told you so" when he does? lol, actually that is probaly more likely not to happen then happen so i give you props if your right. i just dont see him getting the ball in the redzone considering how well we run the ball inside the 10. its annoying when people "predict" things that probaly will happen then do the whole "i told you so" thing but your prediction is a lil bold my man so i hope to hear an "i told you so" on monday from you! . .unless of course it comes because CP got hurt, then i blame you for his injury.

go skins!!

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My vision is a beautiful draw play on the 45.

Shaun up the gut... a few cuts... jukes... jives... TD.

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Don't get my wrong...I like Mason...but Alexander is a known quantity who won't make rookie mistakes.

However, Alexander worked out for Detroit and Cincinnati, who did not sign him. Both of 'these teams have awful backfields but they still didn't sign Alexander.

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[quote=Lotus;490761]Don't get my wrong...I like Mason...but Alexander is a known quantity who won't make rookie mistakes.

However, Alexander worked out for Detroit and Cincinnati, who did not sign him. Both of 'these teams have awful backfields but they still didn't sign Alexander.[/quote]

They are also teams not exactly known for the stellar personnel moves.

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[quote=SBXVII;490400]I think almost anyone would pick a nfl mvp pro bowler everytime. The problem is some of us don't think we are getting the nfl mvp probowler. Some of us think we are getting the broke down RB that was released by Seatle ....you know the one that was knocked out by Marcus Washington, the one that had the knee or foot problems, or perhaps the same on that had the shoulder problem, or maybe the one that had the hand injury. pick your choice.

[B][I]I at this point in SA career would rather have a "healthy" young eager to play RB that will probably do fairly well now that the O-line has fixed their blocking issues since preseason and the first game against the Giants. Hell he's got to be better then Rock's running East/West in the back field during preseason.[/I][/B][/quote]

[B]THANKS FOR SAYING THIS!!!!![/B]

Neither Rock or SA looked that good yesterday. Also if I recalled no one was doing anything with the way the O-line was blocking in preseason against 1-4 stringers...

I thought we learned from getting dried up has beens. SA might have "mark it" 5 productive carries until betts get back..He's not built for the NFC East...

I dont get this notion in thinking we saw something in him that 31 other teams didn't see. And the fact that Mason did good in the preseason and couldn't get extra yards when the O-line was playing so bad even CP couldn't get yards..Now look at CP..Put 1 and 2 together. Whther it is preseason or not Mason had skill. Like I said a while ago on another board what would happen in CP or Betts got hurt. Rock couldn't carried the load...or SA for that matter. What did Rock do in the preseason. 1 good run. Hightower from Arizona did well in the preseason. I guess he isn't good either??

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I like signing SA over Mason. But I don't want him to replace Betts. SA still has quickness judging by the few times he carried the ball last Sunday.