Upshaw and Bauman are released
 

WOw guys i guess those two had to be the surprise cuts. PLus Sultan lost out in the RB battle. Rock's still on the team. No other real surprises.

no surprises??? ade jimoh is still on the team.

Here's the full list:

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3303[/url]

So I guess this means the Skins really see Ron Warner as having a big impact this season.

I had thought they'd keep either Scott or Jafar Williams. Seems like they're only going with 5 receivers then, and just 4 TEs

Just got the news on Redskins.com I think there are some surprises. How in the hell did Jimoh make the team over Rufus Brown? If we go based on performances in the preseason then Kozlowski, Royal, Jimoh, Ware, Sellers and Todd Franz should be packing their bags. I like Gari Scott from the first preseason game. I guess his TD reception in that game wasn't enough. Oh well, let's get ready for the Buccaneers.

how'd Jimoh make it over Bauman?

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Here's the full list:

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3303[/url]

So I guess this means the Skins really see Ron Warner as having a big impact this season.

I had thought they'd keep either Scott or Jafar Williams. Seems like they're only going with 5 receivers then, and just 4 TEs[/QUOTE]

I'm sure Gari Scott will make the practice team. I'm glad Simon was placed on injured reserve. I really don't think Cartwright is versatile enough to play at HB. Chad Morton is really a HB, punt returner and receiver, so I don't understand how Cartwright would make the team. It seems the coaching staff made their judgements on not only on performance but expectations. Did we see Kozlowski, Royal, or Rasby this preseaon?

[QUOTE=illdefined]how'd Jimoh make it over Bauman?[/QUOTE]

Jimoh must have looked very good shadow boxing in training camp. Because when he had a real opponent in front of him he was burned. If he starts this year we are going to have one of the worst secondarys in the league. I thought no one could out do Jason Sehorn.

"[QUOTE=skins009]WOw guys i guess those two had to be the surprise cuts. PLus Sultan lost out in the RB battle. Rock's still on the team. No other real surprises.[/QUOTE]"

Wow....Ade jimoh fan club will be really excited about this. While that's a surprise, can't really say I'm sad to see Bauman gone. Upshaw's release is a huge surprise - this would mean Warner would get a lot of playing time at Right end.

Bauman was injured since last year. You think a lot of these injuries are due to fragile bones due to performance enhancement drugs?

I notice that there were 2 TE's cut, getting them down to exactly the number I said they would carry - and got a LOT of flak about!!

i kind of thought baughman was gone,but i would have thunk they would have kept upshaw.would'nt surprise me if he ended up in tampa or dallas.gibbs is the expert,but i would have kept sultan over betts any day.i think abe jimoh made it on his special teams play.

I met Upshaw this year at camp and he was a real nice guy, I was really pulling for him to do well this year. Very pissed he got cut.

also can't believe they kept all of those linebackers.

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]also can't believe they kept all of those linebackers.[/QUOTE]

I'm not. We have sucked on our rush defense and those young strong legs are what we need to support Arrington. Remember Barrow isn't playing. Pierce will start and probably Kheri Campbell will back him up. One thing I noticed last year against Dallas, Phila and New York. Their RB's were much faster than our LB's. That won't be the case this year.

oh jesus... not only do we have ade jimoh on the team, but we only have 4 cornerbacks on the roster.

read the last couple of paragraphs.
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/09/05/bc.fbn.redskins.cuts.ap/index.html[/url]

Keeping only 4 CB is curious since Williams likes to run the style of defense he does, but he does say that Lott has corner skills and Taylor can drop down to cover.. We should have 4 CB and 4 (Taylor, Bowen, Lott, Franz) safeties so I would think that 8 DB's is about the same as any other team in the league.. Hopefully Rufus Brown gets put on the practice squad..

At RB I think they realized that Betts and McCollough are the same player, neither brings anything different than the other and since Cartwright is a special teams player as well as a short yardage option he got the nod.. Do you think John Simon is really hurt so badly he can't play at all or is this a classic Gibbs "stashing a player" like they did in the old days?

At TE, hopefully Royal can stay healthy this year, but other than that I'm not suprised at any of the cuts.

Upshaw didn't do anything to impress me so adios..

Both Bauman, and Brown, cut, didn't see that coming, I would think that Scott, and Brown, will both be on the practice squad, no doubt, Sultan as well if he's not picked up. I like the fact that Ade made it, I think he has the most potential out of the rest of the CB's that have been cut, he is raw, but I guess the coaches feel he has shown an ability to progress. Clifton Smith is a lot bigger than I thought, wearing #54 he looked like Trotter out on the field, hopefully he will play better, glad to see him make it, I won't miss Upshaw, he was a waste of money.

This isn't going to be the final roster. There are some interesting guys out there that got waived and may be signed this week. Stay tuned...

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]also can't believe they kept all of those linebackers.[/QUOTE]

Teams typically keep a lot of LB's, especially teams that focus on their Special Teams unit, as linebackers are best suited for some of the roles on that squad.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Just got the news on Redskins.com I think there are some surprises. How in the hell did Jimoh make the team over Rufus Brown? If we go based on performances in the preseason then Kozlowski, Royal, Jimoh, Ware, Sellers and Todd Franz should be packing their bags. I like Gari Scott from the first preseason game. I guess his TD reception in that game wasn't enough. Oh well, let's get ready for the Buccaneers.[/QUOTE]
Ware was cut over a month ago.

Wow i can't say I agree with letting Bauman go and keeping Jimoh. Baumen to me looked good as a nickel corner. Jimoh though he was great physical skills, just plain sucks. He sucked last year and he sucked this preseason.

Well, I read something on here saying Williams told Jimoh to let guys by in the St. Louis game, not sure how much truth there is to that. One thing Jimoh does is work hard. He's modest and tries hard, remember, we have a new coaching staff where that means A LOT.

No big suprises. McCullough was the odd man out. He reminded me of trung the way he didn't hit holes. He'll get picked up somewhere, but doubt he'll be one we regret. Upshaw was a huge shock to me! I also hope someone picks up Hamdan.

[QUOTE=Daseal]I also hope someone picks up Hamdan.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone will be picking him up. He's headed for our practice squad along with several others that were dropped.

True, Hogskin.

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]This isn't going to be the final roster. There are some interesting guys out there that got waived and may be signed this week. Stay tuned...[/QUOTE]


Gotta agree with that. If I were the skins, I'd be combing the wire to fill a couple of pressing needs. I'm sure there have to be some respectable D-Linemen out there.

My thoughts on the cuts:

-Mildly surprised about Upshaw. He's never lived up to his first round hype and I think this is more of the case of Williams going with the youth movement. Warner showed enough to justify this cut.

-Only 4 corners? Something doesn't sound quite right here, I'm thinking the staff could have their eye on someone they knew was going to be cut today.

-Bauman, who cares? He's an average DB who didn't really pan out. He's not a huge loss. I am surprised however that Jimoh made the team over him, but as I've said before on this board my name doesn't start with 'Coach' so what do I know? I am a bit surprised Rufus Brown didn't make it, he seemed to have a good shot at making the team after a solid preseason.

-Not surprised about McCullough. I predicted a backfield of Portis, Betts, Cartwright and Morton. McCullough is still too raw, he's got the skills but from the sounds of his post-cut comments today he needs a bit more maturing.

-Hamdan and Scott are PS material. Scott had a good preseason but he wasn't going to beat out Jacobs for the #5 spot. Hamdan's a good kid with skills but he's still very green.

-Surprise of the day? By far it's OL Daryl Terrell. This guy has all-world potential, when is someone finally going to see this and give him the chance he deserves?? Screw the Ade Jimoh fanclub, Terrell is where it's at. I thought he had a hell of a camp and was dirtbag material. ;)

Matty what did Sultan say?

I thought Rufus Brown might make it as well. I think one thing that Brown and Bauman had going against them was their size, or lack thereof. Especially now with these no contact rules being enforced undersized DBs are at a bit of a disadvantage wheras in the past they may have been able to do a little bumping and grabbing to stay with the receivers

Upshaw is no world beater but Warner is very raw and I haven't seen much of Daniels yet so I would have thought Upshaw would have helped if for no other reason he's a veteran presence

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63987-2004Sep5.html[/url]

"Honestly, I'm good enough to be on the roster," said McCullough, who lost out to Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright for the final running back spots and spoke to running backs coach Earnest Byner about the practice squad yesterday. "To me it's like a slap in the face [to go the practice squad], but I do want to be here, so hopefully everything will work out."

[QUOTE=offiss]I like the fact that Ade made it, I think he has the most potential out of the rest of the CB's that have been cut, he is raw, but I guess the coaches feel he has shown an ability to progress. [/QUOTE]
Guess you haven't been on this site nor watched the games to make this statement. Jimoh still has to go.

When do they name the practice squad?

I agree, Matty. I bet they have their eye on another corner somewhere else. It's not that I don't like our corners (yes, I even have a soft spot for Ade. He's going to turn it around!), but they are INJURY PRONE! We need some depth here. Can Lott really play NFL CB?

Williams did mention in camp that he liked Lott's coverage skills, so perhaps that's his plan.

Warner is a major surprise, he has been in the league 6 years, played in 6 games and amassed a total of 5 tackles(3 solo), now he is considered more useful that Upshaw, amazing!

McCullough is a waste of speed as far as I can tell.

correct me if i'm wrong but i think lott played cornerback in college,perhaps greg williams sees something we don't no about

Well, Williams seems to use CBs to blitz, mostly, so why not use Lott? :)

[QUOTE=davy]Warner is a major surprise, he has been in the league 6 years, played in 6 games and amassed a total of 5 tackles(3 solo), now he is considered more useful that Upshaw, amazing!

McCullough is a waste of speed as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]

Warner has been in the league 2 year's.

[QUOTE=offiss]Warner has been in the league 2 year's.[/QUOTE]

Apparently you're both right. He's listed as having only 2 years experience but he was a late round draft pick by they Saints back in 1998 (6 years ago)

[url]http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=341[/url]

[url]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12798[/url]

"Honestly, I'm good enough to be on the roster," said McCullough, who lost out to Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright for the final running back spots and spoke to running backs coach Earnest Byner about the practice squad yesterday. "To me it's like a slap in the face [to go the practice squad], but I do want to be here, so hopefully everything will work out."

Sultan's comments are right on. However, I hope that for his sake he goes to a team that does a better job of evaluating his talent. He doesn't need any more "maturity." This is honesty. It is also a mistake of player evaluation. Enough said.

I'm not so sure, I think I trust gibbs & co.'s judgement over a disgruntled 4th stringer...

warner may have 3 tackles in 5 games, but looks like he also has a SB ring to show for it lol.

i dont know what you Mccullough fans see in him.

sultan is a trung canidate clone. they both are looking for a job. they also hesitate in the backfield. i watched everyone of sultans runs this preseason and not once did he just hit a hole, everytime he got the ball, he danced in backfield.

i love fast players. but having a trackstar at RB is overrated.
for a running back to be a good player, they have to go throught he gap before it gets filled by a linemen or linbacker. sultan doesnt have the stones to run through the assigned gap and face a linebacker head up. he cant runover a LB or make them miss. he can only run by them.

the only way sultan will be a solid player is if he find a team that only runs sweeps.

Not happy that Sultan got iced.

:coach:

Glad it was Coach Gibbs cos if Spurrier had done this, I would question his sanity.

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