How McCain Shed Pariah Status Among Evangelicals
 

It's scary that the religious right has so much influence over the party:

[url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96031231]How McCain Shed Pariah Status Among Evangelicals : NPR[/url]

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It sure damn is. It is killing the conservative movement. The REAL conservative movement.

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Its scary how you find all these liberal media outlets for all your news sources. It was the far right conservatives/ Evangelicals were the ones apposed to John McCain and wanted another rep nominee. Now they have three choices McCain, Obama, or not voting at all. So they have decided to stand behind McCain over the other two choices. Its just like Hillary's base that at first would not support Obama which is now pushing their support his way. This is just a BS story to make McCain lool like he has all these ties now to Evangelicals.

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[quote=firstdown;493140]Its scary how you find all these liberal media outlets for all your news sources. It was the far right conservatives/ Evangelicals were the ones apposed to John McCain and wanted another rep nominee. Now they have three choices McCain, Obama, or not voting at all. So they have decided to stand behind McCain over the other two choices. Its just like Hillary's base that at first would not support Obama which is now pushing their support his way. This is just a BS story to make McCain lool like he has all these ties now to Evangelicals.[/quote]

I agree, FD, that there's not much to this--all politicians do things like this to appeal to voters.

I do wonder, though, if there's going to be a serious debate among republicans after the election (if Obama wins). Conservatives like David Brooks have been very down on Palin and the rhetoric of this repub campaign. I think many fiscal conservatives may be getting tired of being yoked to the social conservative position. Plus, the Atwater/Rove attack style may be questioned, though I doubt that will have much impact.

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[quote=JWsleep;493158]I agree, FD, that there's not much to this--all politicians do things like this to appeal to voters.

I do wonder, though, if there's going to be a serious debate among republicans after the election (if Obama wins). Conservatives like David Brooks have been very down on Palin and the rhetoric of this repub campaign. I think many fiscal conservatives may be getting tired of being yoked to the social conservative position. Plus, the Atwater/Rove attack style may be questioned, though I doubt that will have much impact.[/quote]

I don't know. I mean I would like the Republican party to shift back toward the left a bit. Or, better said, back to center. I would love for this to be a wake up call to the party that we need the McCain of 2000, Romney pre-campaign, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, etc. That's the party I want to feel comfortable supporting again.

But I'm afraid that the answer to a loss (a possible loss) in this Presidential election might be "Well look we tried with a moderate in McCain but he only gained traction when we made him and the campaign more conservative."

We shall see what happens.

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I agree, I would probably vote republican if they were not so far right socially.

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Thankfully, the Religious Right doesn't seem to have the same power and sway that they did in the eighties and early 90's. It seems that the northeastern/Rockafeller/socialist-lite republicans have taken over in lockstep with the imperialist neocons.

The days of Robert Taft/Barry Goldwater conservatism died around 1964 with his defeat. That was pure, traditional conservatism -- actually bordering on libertarianism (my political philosophy).

There is no greater domestic threat to individual freedom than the Religious Right. At their core, they are nothing more than Authoritarians, and they can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

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[quote=firstdown;493140]Its scary how you find all these liberal media outlets for all your news sources. It was the far right conservatives/ Evangelicals were the ones apposed to John McCain and wanted another rep nominee. Now they have three choices McCain, Obama, or not voting at all. So they have decided to stand behind McCain over the other two choices. Its just like Hillary's base that at first would not support Obama which is now pushing their support his way. This is just a BS story to make McCain lool like he has all these ties now to Evangelicals.[/quote]

damn that liberal media huh

It's not too hard to find this stuff, try a google news search

What in the article is BS specifically?

Do you have any problem with these religious zealots having so much influence over the party??

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[quote=Mattyk72;493180]damn that liberal media huh

It's not too hard to find this stuff, try a google news search

What in the article is BS specifically?

Do you have any problem with these religious zealots having so much influence over the party??[/quote]
Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.

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i think america as a whole is fairly moderate, more fiscally conservative, more socially liberal, and that creates a bit of a problem when you have 2 parties that only meet half your needs.

i do think god gets too much play in republican election campaigns though, since we've already established freedom of religion (over 200 years ago) and most of our political issues are secular in nature.

the article kind of makes you sad about the mccain we had in 2000 vs. the panderholic we have now though :/.

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[quote=firstdown;493186]Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.[/quote]

It's interesting how most of us are willing to change or evolve our opinions on the Redskins based on discussions on this board but we are so stubborn when it comes to politics (please note first that I'm just quoting you but not referring explicitly to you). My guess is that with very few exceptions-I count myself among them, a Republican voting for Obama-there are people here who would vote for a Democrat even if a Donkey was the actual candidate while others would vote for a Republican even if an Elephant was the actual candidate.

As for the YouTube clips, you all know my stance on them. They get a bit annoying but you have to be an idiot to base your opinions entirely on them. Of course, they're parsed down clips and of course they're almost always posted by someone with a bias one way or the other. A McCain clip where he accidentally says "prisoners" instead of "citizens" or an Obama clip where he accidentally says "57 states" means absolutely nothing more than they're human beings who make mistakes. If anyone is actually going to the voting booth thinking "Well I can't vote for Obama because he has no idea how many states are in the USA" well then do us all a favor and don't vote.

In short, and I wish I could find the thread that I think someone started on this, F Political Threads. They have became such a "your guy is worse than my guy" waste.

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Oh and just to add, I think the religious right certainly has influence over the party otherwise Palin wouldn't be the VP choice

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[quote=Beemnseven;493173]There is no greater domestic threat to individual freedom than the Religious Right. At their core, they are nothing more than Authoritarians, and they can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more.

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[quote=firstdown;493186]Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president.[/quote]

Who are you kidding?

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[quote=firstdown;493186]Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.[/quote]

Ok... but I didn't post any youtube clips in this thread...

We're talking about a pretty legit and respected news source in NPR.

I'm guessing you didn't even click on the link let alone read it.

If you want to post stuff from the far right to discuss go right ahead, please do. Post it and let's go to town on it. I think it's funny that some seem to think they're not allowed to post their own threads or something. Personally I have fun discussing this stuff and even though it might not come across over the boards I often do learn new things and consider other sides of debates.

I'm still wondering how much could be save by leaving Iraq. ;)

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You know a lot of those YouTube clips are cheap shots, but part of it is just something to spark some conversation. That's how news is today, instant info, react, and move on to the next story. And a lot of times the clips spark some lively debate here. Sometimes not, but it's not like all the talk here is YouTube clips and juvenile potshots.

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McCain never really became part of the inner circle to the Religious Right. W always was a member and that is precisely why his disastrous policy decisions and even more disastrous political appointments never caught up w/ him - dude had about 1/3 of the electorate sealed from day one and just had to piece together enough incidental constituencies to get over 50%.

I'll never forget a classic Bush tale that circulated among evangelicals in my neck of the woods. I heard it from relatives first and then started hearing it from acquaintances and even a few strangers: supposedly a local miner had the opportunity to visit the White House but did not want to leave his wife dying of cancer. He decided to make the trip and after his delegation met w/ the pres as a group Bush took the guy to a private room and said God was calling them to pray together. They prayed. The friggin end. Every time I heard this story I asked what happened to the miner's wife. Nobody knew the answer. In fact, the miner didn't have a name, neither did his wife. And nobody knew when this thing happened. Then I started searching for the story online and in every paper in the state - never found it. It's like a conservative political operative somewhere knows exactly what will touch evangelicals (I actually had people shed tears when they told me this story, but I noticed they never cried until they got to the part about W praying) and then the story just gets retold at church groups, retreats and wherever.

Most of these people don't give a shit about policy, which means they don't give a shit about reality. Helps to explain the mess we're in IMO. Don't think I'm knocking people of faith across the board though. I go to church. C.S. Lewis is a favorite of mine. I just get my news and knowledge from sources beyond Lush Bimbaugh, Hannity, Jimmy Dobson, and O'reilly.

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The far left are annoying and stupid too but they really aren't powerful enough to significantly change this country.

We always have hippies on our campus holding free tibet flags, and sometimes I want to go up to them and ask if they actually know what they are talking about. Good chance they dont, and they just do it to be "cool". And I am positive that is what is with those who are far right. Majority of the activist groups on my campus are like that too. All about talking about how they want to change things and all these big revolutionary ideas that are clearly not even practical.

My friend, getting sick of this stuff, started a genocide speakers series, which gets professors from around the US to speak about the issue and educate on what CAN be done rather fucking sitting around the campfire and singing bob marley.

END RANT....

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The thing that most disappoints me about recent US politics is how very polarized everything is. And for that I blame Rove more than anyone. 9/11 should have been like Pearle Harbor; it should have brought the nation together. Instead, it was used to brand the opponents of Bush policy as anti-American. And it got wrapped up with the religious stuff as well. All to build Rove's "permanent" republican majority. That went well.

Meanwhile, it drove the far left off a cliff--conspiracies, embracing anything that's against Bush, no matter how crazy or potentially harmful. They kind of fulfilled Rove's plan.

Then this election came, and I felt pretty good: I liked both Hillary and McCain, and Obama seemed fine, though I didn't know much about him. I figured, hey, no matter who wins, we get something better this time. Than McCain embraced the Rove operatives, picked Palin, and it just spiraled back down hill. Is this really the campaign McCain wanted to run? How did he let it get to this nonsense? Palliing with terrorists? Unamerican folks in congress? It's just milking all those same divisive things and worse. Obama had the balls (unlike Kerry) to answer in kind, but it's a friggin mess.

Hope Obama can really pull in some moderate repubs and serious people to be in his administration. That would help a lot, I think. Chuck Hegel at DOD, Powell anywhere he wants to be, Warren Buffett, whoever. Just bring the country together! We've got some serious issues here.

(Steps off of soap box...)

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[quote=JWsleep;493244]The thing that most disappoints me about recent US politics is how very polarized everything is. And for that I blame Rove more than anyone. 9/11 should have been like Pearle Harbor; it should have brought the nation together. Instead, it was used to brand the opponents of Bush policy as anti-American. And it got wrapped up with the religious stuff as well. All to build Rove's "permanent" republican majority. That went well.

Meanwhile, it drove the far left off a cliff--conspiracies, embracing anything that's against Bush, no matter how crazy or potentially harmful. They kind of fulfilled Rove's plan.

Then this election came, and I felt pretty good: I liked both Hillary and McCain, and Obama seemed fine, though I didn't know much about him. I figured, hey, no matter who wins, we get something better this time. Than McCain embraced the Rove operatives, picked Palin, and it just spiraled back down hill. Is this really the campaign McCain wanted to run? How did he let it get to this nonsense? Palliing with terrorists? Unamerican folks in congress? It's just milking all those same divisive things and worse. Obama had the balls (unlike Kerry) to answer in kind, but it's a friggin mess.

Hope Obama can really pull in some moderate repubs and serious people to be in his administration. That would help a lot, I think. Chuck Hegel at DOD, Powell anywhere he wants to be, Warren Buffett, whoever. Just bring the country together! We've got some serious issues here.

(Steps off of soap box...)[/quote]

leave gates, put powell and buffet anywhere, and we'd be SOO much better off. seriously, those are real heavy weights that actually know what they're doing. powell gives him military respect and an advisor to counter his weakness there, and buffet basically ensures no one can call that a weakness - as long as he's willing to listen to their advise.

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[quote=JWsleep;493244]The thing that most disappoints me about recent US politics is how very polarized everything is. And for that I blame Rove more than anyone. 9/11 should have been like Pearle Harbor; it should have brought the nation together. Instead, it was used to brand the opponents of Bush policy as anti-American. And it got wrapped up with the religious stuff as well. All to build Rove's "permanent" republican majority. That went well.

Meanwhile, it drove the far left off a cliff--conspiracies, embracing anything that's against Bush, no matter how crazy or potentially harmful. They kind of fulfilled Rove's plan.

Then this election came, and I felt pretty good: I liked both Hillary and McCain, and Obama seemed fine, though I didn't know much about him. I figured, hey, no matter who wins, we get something better this time. [B]Than McCain embraced the Rove operatives, picked Palin, and it just spiraled back down hill. Is this really the campaign McCain wanted to run? How did he let it get to this nonsense? Palliing with terrorists? Unamerican folks in congress? It's just milking all those same divisive things and worse. Obama had the balls (unlike Kerry) to answer in kind, but it's a friggin mess.[/B]

Hope Obama can really pull in some moderate repubs and serious people to be in his administration. That would help a lot, I think. Chuck Hegel at DOD, Powell anywhere he wants to be, Warren Buffett, whoever. Just bring the country together! We've got some serious issues here.

(Steps off of soap box...)[/quote]

Good post. I too find it disturbing that McCain hired the same people who smeared him in 2000 and ran the exact kind of campaign he was supposedly against.

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Interesting comments from Chuck Todd on the chemistry (or lack thereof) between McCain and Palin.

[url=http://vodpod.com/watch/1105603-hardball-williamstodd-discuss-the-mccainpalin-interview-interview]Hardball: Williams/Todd Discuss the McCain/Palin Interview + Interview Video[/url]

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[quote=hooskins;493234]The far left are annoying and stupid too but they really aren't powerful enough to significantly change this country.

We always have hippies on our campus holding free tibet flags, and sometimes I want to go up to them and ask if they actually know what they are talking about. Good chance they dont, and they just do it to be "cool". And I am positive that is what is with those who are far right. Majority of the activist groups on my campus are like that too. All about talking about how they want to change things and all these big revolutionary ideas that are clearly not even practical.

My friend, getting sick of this stuff, started a genocide speakers series, which gets professors from around the US to speak about the issue and educate on what CAN be done rather fucking sitting around the campfire and singing bob marley.

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My pespective on this is slightly different. I equate the looney free tibets hippie types with nutso like the KKK in their ignorance. Not the evangelicals.

I equate the evangelicals with the left side of the Democratic party in their size, influence and distance from center. The far left and the far right both have too much power and CAN change this country if we let them. There's a reason this country has become more liberal socially in the 40 years. It is because the Democratic party moved farther left. Ultra-liberal social policies became mainstream. Now the Repubs are moving similarly farther right. We aren't very well served by either.

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[quote=FRPLG;493293]My pespective on this is slightly different. I equate the looney free tibets hippie types with nutso like the KKK in their ignorance. Not the evangelicals.

I equate the evangelicals with the left side of the Democratic party in their size, influence and distance from center. The far left and the far right both have too much power and CAN change this country if we let them. There's a reason this country has become more liberal socially in the 40 years. It is because the Democratic party moved farther left. Ultra-liberal social policies became mainstream. Now the Repubs are moving similarly farther right. We aren't very well served by either.[/quote]
I don't get this notion that the Rep. party has moved more to the right if anything they have moved more to the left. My problem with this article and the one that SS gave a link to above is that the leberal media is trying to influence the out come of the election. I know the right has Rush and those guys but on a more national type show they only have Fox. The liberal media does this CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, PBR, and others just start thrown out everything they can to shape the minds of Americans. That would be fine if they did the same on both sides or they where frank about their left slanted articles. Atlest when you listen to people like Rush or Hannity you know up front that their bias is to the right. Main streem media hides behind their bias to the left and calls what they do as reporting the news. If you looked over the stories coming from these networks there is only negative reporting on McCain/Palin and I cannot think of one thing lattley (the weeks leading up to the election) were they have had any negative reports on Obam/Biden. Why do they ignore the issues on the left? Its simple they are in their corner and willing to do what it takes for them to win.

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I dont buy the liberal media crap, but for the sake of argument I'll agree.

You still haven't proven how the Republicans are farther to the left. I guess we need to make clear SS and I are probably thinking about the Republican base, and by moving farther right, it is more socially conservative. I would love to see anyone disprove that...

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[quote=hooskins;493339]I dont buy the liberal media crap, but for the sake of argument I'll agree.

You still haven't proven how the Republicans are farther to the left. I guess we need to make clear SS and I are probably thinking about the Republican base, and by moving farther right, it is more socially conservative. I would love to see anyone disprove that...[/quote]

I mean there is definitely liberal media. MSNBC is the first that comes to mind, but it's not all liberal media.

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[quote=hooskins;493339]I dont buy the liberal media crap, but for the sake of argument I'll agree.

You still haven't proven how the Republicans are farther to the left. I guess we need to make clear SS and I are probably thinking about the Republican base, and by moving farther right, it is more socially conservative. I would love to see anyone disprove that...[/quote]

Conservatives believe in less goverment and look at how Bush has expanded goverment and what McCain has proposed. Thats not conservatism. We could go back and forth but I'm speaking on how I feel and not what I have been told to think. There was a pole done in the media and it was something like 85% said they voted democratic. I would perfer to post the poll but I don't have the time to search for it today. I will find the polls and post at another time.

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Both parties get elected from their bases (right and left) then govern from the middle. The Repubs certainly have done this with all the spending but ultimately they got elected by the base which is more and more being over taken by the evangelicals. Blah.

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I think this whole 'liberal media' has been seriously blown out of proportion lately. It's a right wing excuse for their last 8 years of F ups.

Good read on the subject here

[URL="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030224/alterman2"]What Liberal Media?[/URL]

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Move over to the mainstream publications and broadcasts often labeled "liberal," and you see how ridiculous the notion of liberal dominance becomes. The liberal [I]New York Times[/I] Op-Ed page features the work of the unreconstructed Nixonite William Safire, and for years accompanied him with the firebreathing-if-difficult-to-understand neocon A.M. Rosenthal. Current denizen Bill Keller also writes regularly from a DLC neocon perspective. The[I] Washington Post[/I] is just swarming with conservatives, from Michael Kelly to George Will to Robert Novak to Charles Krauthammer. If you wish to include CNN on your list of liberal media--I don't, but many conservatives do--then you had better find a way to explain the near-ubiquitous presence of the attack dog Robert Novak, along with that of neocon virtuecrat William Bennett, [I]National Review[/I]'s Kate O'Beirne, [I]National Review[/I]'s Jonah Goldberg, [I]The Weekly Standard[/I]'s David Brooks and Tucker Carlson. This is to say nothing of the fact that among its most frequent guests are Coulter and the anti-American telepreacher Pat Robertson. Care to include ABC News? Again, I don't, but if you wish, how to deal with the fact that the only ideological commentator on its Sunday show is the hard-line conservative George Will? Or how about the fact that its only explicitly ideological reporter is the journalistically challenged conservative crusader John Stossel? How to explain the entire career there and on NPR of Cokie Roberts, who never met a liberal to whom she could not condescend? What about [I]Time[/I] and [I]Newsweek[/I]? In the former, we have Krauthammer holding forth, and in the latter, Will.
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To me the issue of a liberla media has nothing to do with columnists or commentators, which almost all of the conservatives above are. It has more to do with the actual news reporting individuals. When the straight news isn't so straight that is a problem. Bernie Goldberg's book on this is pretty good and it is hard to argue his points.

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[quote=FRPLG;493349]Both parties get elected from their bases (right and left) then govern from the middle. The Repubs certainly have done this with all the spending but ultimately they got elected by the base which is more and more being over taken by the evangelicals. Blah.[/quote]
Unfortunately the far left has also taken over the dems. When Joe Liberman has to run as an independent, somethings wrong. The dems need more Libermans and Sam Nunn types. If they put up a candidate like either of them this election would not even be a contest at this point.

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[quote=Mattyk72;493352]I think this whole 'liberal media' has been seriously blown out of proportion lately. It's a right wing excuse for their last 8 years of F ups.

Good read on the subject here

[URL="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030224/alterman2"]What Liberal Media?[/URL][/quote]

They point out people writing OP-Ed colums but we know what way they lean before reading their colums. I don't have a problem with any Op-Ed writer rather they are left or right leaning because they are all pretty much up front on which way they lean. Its the ones that hide behind their sheild as someone just reporting the facts but write it with their liberal slant. I know there are peopl on the right that do the same but I personaly feel the left has a much greater influence on the news we see and read. Today in our local paper the head line for McCain read "McCain swings across Florida, On The Atack". while the Obama head line read "Obama tells blue-collar workers he's for them". This is how the headlines have read for some time while they cover the election. To me its so obvious that they want to shed Obama in a beter light and if you read the articles it even more obvious. Its the little words they use like when McCain questions Obamas plan they use the word "attack" and when Obama is doing the same thing they say "pointing out differences".

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;493370]Unfortunately the far left has also taken over the dems. When Joe Liberman has to run as an independent, somethings wrong. The dems need more Libermans and Sam Nunn types. If they put up a candidate like either of them this election would not even be a contest at this point.[/quote]
Joe Liberman is backing and appering with McCain.

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[quote=Beemnseven;493173]Thankfully, the Religious Right doesn't seem to have the same power and sway that they did in the eighties and early 90's. It seems that the northeastern/Rockafeller/socialist-lite republicans have taken over in lockstep with the imperialist neocons.

The days of Robert Taft/Barry Goldwater conservatism died around 1964 with his defeat. That was pure, traditional conservatism -- actually bordering on libertarianism (my political philosophy).

There is no greater domestic threat to individual freedom than the Religious Right. At their core, they are nothing more than Authoritarians, and they can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more with what you said.