skins looking at Bryan Robinson (recent cut DE from bears)
 

another blache recruit, i would definately give robinson a shot over demetric evans.

[url]http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20040906-123712-3709r.htm[/url]

Note — Former Chicago Bears defensive tackle Bryan Robinson is among the released players around the NFL that Washington is evaluating, a source familiar with the situation said. Robinson, 28, enjoyed a solid camp and, like current Redskins end Phillip Daniels, has a good relationship with Greg Blache, the former Bears coordinator who now serves as Redskins line coach. Several other teams are interested in Robinson, and his decision could come today.

do they really need this guy?they seem pretty well set on defense imo.

You got to trust the coaches with personnel decisons. If they feel they can upgrade, by all means... be happy for the moves.

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]do they really need this guy?they seem pretty well set on defense imo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]do they really need this guy?they seem pretty well set on defense imo.[/QUOTE]


ummmm ,,,, Bryan Robinson vs Demetric Evans? ill take Robinson

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nuff said

Should we really be recruiting that many former bear linemen? I remind everyone that last year the bears got to LEAST number of sacks from the front four in the entire league. I would avoid bear D-linemen.

[QUOTE=jrocx69]nuff said[/QUOTE]

true nuff.
Evans is a former cowboy with one career sack in 3 years.

If he's better that who we currently have... I don't care where he came from. Blache has a history with this guy and still wants him. If Robinson is a known quantity and someone that Blache feels comfortable working with, it should be a no brainer.


[QUOTE=skins009]Should we really be recruiting that many former bear linemen? I remind everyone that last year the bears got to LEAST number of sacks from the front four in the entire league. I would avoid bear D-linemen.[/QUOTE]

What about Jason Gildon who just got cut from the Bills after signing a relatively big contract? I'm not familiar with him currently, only that he was a decent player a couple of years ago... Is he the type of older linebacker we could use as a pass rush end?

The problem with Gildon is that he probably wouldn't sign for the minimum. Also... the Bills brought Gildon in thinking the same thing... must not have worked.

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]What about Jason Gildon who just got cut from the Bills after signing a relatively big contract? I'm not familiar with him currently, only that he was a decent player a couple of years ago... Is he the type of older linebacker we could use as a pass rush end?[/QUOTE]

I was thinking he might be ready to take a little less money since he's now unsure of being employed... I'm not sure how the Bill's d-line is but it couldn't have been too much worse than ours. I'd just feel better if we could get a decent push from our front four instead of relying on LB and CB blitzes 100% of the time.

we dont need another LB, not even a pass rushing one. we're thick there already, and if speed is a priority then Gildon sure won't have it.

we need to look at any position on the DLine, and any DB.

Gildon can't sign for the minimum until after the first week (i think). He's a veteren that is guaranteed his contract money until then.

I could see Gildon going to the Ravens. They showed interest when he was released by the steelers and now that Boulware is out for a good chunk of the season, I could see them bringing him in. How about us giving Terrel Buckley a look for a Nickel spot.

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]I'd just feel better if we could get a decent push from our front four instead of relying on LB and CB blitzes 100% of the time.[/QUOTE]
Well, bringing pressure with the LB's and DB's is what Williams' system is based on. If you look at his Bills' defense of last year they didn't have any household names up front yet they still managed to have an aggressive defensive unit, #2 overall in yards allowed.

They were also tied for 9th best in the league with 38 sacks and were 5th best in points allowed at 17.4 per game.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Well, bringing pressure with the LB's and DB's is what Williams' system is based on. If you look at his Bills' defense of last year they didn't have any household names up front yet they still managed to have an aggressive defensive unit, #2 overall in yards allowed.

They were also tied for 9th best in the league with 38 sacks and were 5th best in points allowed at 17.4 per game.[/QUOTE]

hmm sounds risky. and obviously why he needs so much speed in his players. wonder what he'd do if he had a killer Dline?

blitzing with the lbs and the cbs is going to help the dls.not only will the ol have to concentrate on blocking the guy in front of him but out of the corner of his little eyes he's gonna have to keep a look out for a lb or a cb shooting in.

you forgot to mention the down side of blitzing cbs and lbs can be...
its not that easy, you have to have a good front four. maybe we have it, but i havent seen it. majority of games are won in the trenches my man. and with guys like demetric evans...? i dunno... we'll see, but i would like robinson cuz he pretty consistant and played under blache as well has a good relationship with him

very true my friend but i think ( being optimistic ) the d line is better than people give them credit for. i also feel that all the blitzing will help them

the skins havn't had a defense as agressive as this one in a long time,not even marvin lewis' defense. i would much rather have an agressive d that might get burnt once in a while than a conservative d that sits back, gets picked apart and still gets burnt.with an agressie d the skins will at least force some turnovers

robinson is an upgrade to noble, or salavea, whoever owuld start. he has been consistent, and has good speed for a DT, although he is undersized somewhat in the weight category. blache knows him, he would not bring him in if he didnt like something about him

The guy's credential's are far better than Evan's, it can't hurt to give him a shot.

remember we're thin at DB now. who's gonna cover the WR Springs leaves at the line to blitz the qb? much less replace him if Springs gets hurt by running backs or Olinemen trying to block him?

we really need to develop good pressure from the front four, pure and simple. anything else is a workaround that leaves a gap that any offense that does is its homework can exploit.

Yeah. Let's sign him right away so that Lemar Marshall can give of that ugly #98 jersey. What? Was he some sort of a Jessie Armstead fan or something?

[QUOTE=BossHog]Yeah. Let's sign him right away so that Lemar Marshall can give of that ugly #98 jersey. What? Was he some sort of a Jessie Armstead fan or something?[/QUOTE]


Maybe he is a Lawrence Taylor fan and he knows he is not taking 56 from LaVar.

[QUOTE=illdefined]hmm sounds risky. and obviously why he needs so much speed in his players. wonder what he'd do if he had a killer Dline?[/QUOTE]

He did in Tenesse. And the result was a better defense statically than the ravens the year they won the super bowl.

Just saw the Dolphins signed him as it ran across the bottom line.

All I have to say is, damn, he would have been an upgrade, but I feel Ron Warner is a beast.

[QUOTE=illdefined]remember we're thin at DB now. who's gonna cover the WR Springs leaves at the line to blitz the qb? much less replace him if Springs gets hurt by running backs or Olinemen trying to block him?

we really need to develop good pressure from the front four, pure and simple. anything else is a workaround that leaves a gap that any offense that does is its homework can exploit.[/QUOTE]
Lets not forget that our safties are now very versatile. Lott and Taylor can also cover like corners. This gives us lots of diferent looks. And when has a D-coordintor come to the Redskins that hasn't preached he is going to be aggressive. That is the natural response of all D-Coordinators. This is the 1st one that we have had who does blitz on a consistent basis. The D-turned 14 points in the 1st quarter against a supposed strong offense the Falcons.

Kepp on blitzing Mr. Williams with your corners, safties and linebackers.

[QUOTE=drew54]Just saw the Dolphins signed him as it ran across the bottom line.

All I have to say is, damn, he would have been an upgrade, but I feel Ron Warner is a beast.[/QUOTE]

is that true? DAMN. why is our Dline not a priority for us?? that's Kearse, Ogun, Douglas, and now Robinson we let slip by. we're supposed to dominate with guys like Wynn, Evans and Warner?? i really don't get it.

blitzing with our DBs and LBs is all fine and good, but is it smart to do it every down, and won't smart QBs eventually find the holes??

experts and fans alike all see the 'Skin Dline as a weak point, and nothing at all is being done about it. whats with the blinders???

miami has more cap space due to their glaring holes on offense... we can't compete with that. we did make offers, so its not that the FO isn't trying, they're just getting outbid.

[QUOTE=illdefined]DAMN. why is our Dline not a priority for us??[/QUOTE]Not really necessary in Williams' system. Priority is on LBs and DBs to take the pressure off the line. It's worked pretty well for him.

[QUOTE=That Guy]miami has more cap space due to their glaring holes on offense... we can't compete with that. we did make offers, so its not that the FO isn't trying, they're just getting outbid.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think it's important to note that the Redskins have [i]attempted[/i] to improve their D-line, having bid and lost on Kearse, Wistrom, Ogunleye, Rod Coleman, Robaire Smith, Robinson and Douglas, as well as taking a good look at Kenny Holmes (who couldn't pass his physical and was recently cut by the Packers). There were also rumors that they attempted to pry John Abraham away from the Jets through a trade (though those rumors were denied at the time).

It's a little disheartening to know that many players slipped through the Redskins' hands, especially considering Snyder's penchant for throwing money around, but at least the team has [i]tried[/i] to improve the D-line.

On the bright side, they were able to land a few guys that might improve the line, even if they aren't Pro Bowl-caliber players. Griffin, Daniels and Salave'a (as well as having Noble healthy again) should all be upgrades along that defensive front. Apparently Wynn is healthier this year than he's been in a while, and that, combined with improved coaching and scheming, could boost his performance as well.

sure they tried, but how hard? this is Danny 'Swoop' Snyder we're talking about here. why is Redskin One still parked on the tarmac?

i've never known Snyder to be so denied when it came to a player, much less repeatedly and all at the same position. it must not REALLY be a priority for the team, because if it was, it woulda happened by now.

im praying they see something everyone else doesn't.

There d-line has played fantastic during the preseason. Don't you forget that the 1st team had a goal line stand against Carolina. They have basiclly played no names and they have all done well. The real season will be the test but I believe this is not the unit to worry about. The Corners are what might hurt us.

The defensive line will be improved over last year, but considering how piss poor they were last year I'm not sure if that's saying much.

Griffin is definitely an upgrade, and getting Noble back is also a positive. Salave'a and Haley should provide some depth in the rotation and Wynn and Daniels are both versatile enough to play tackle especially in passing situations.

Under the circumstances I think the team did enough to address the defensive line for now without going overboard and breaking the bank for someone like Kearse or Wistrom. After all, we did our share of overpaying for guys like Springs. ;)

It would be nice if they would draft a young DT or DE stud next year so we can get some youth going up front.

i think they've gone soft on the offers cause of washington/springs/portis/taylor etc... we've taken a lot of huge contracts on an already large payroll... eventually even danny has to back off from overpaying...

[QUOTE=That Guy]i think they've gone soft on the offers cause of washington/springs/portis/taylor etc... we've taken a lot of huge contracts on an already large payroll... eventually even danny has to back off from overpaying...[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with that assessment. Don't forget Brunell, Griffin and Daniels, who have all been deemed grossly overpaid by the media. They poured a lot of money into big contracts this year, and they still have to take care of Smoot's contract also. That's a lot of money to try and hide under the future cap. I think it's safe to say that all of the players they acquired were necessities-- even if they weren't filling what most observers agree was their biggest need, which was on the defensive line.