Marcus Mason signed by the Jets off Ravens practice squad
 

[B][I]THE NEWS[/I][/B]

Running back [B]Marcus Mason[/B] was signed by the Jets off of the Baltimore practice squad, according to NewYorkJets.com.

[url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/778-the-te-position-2-active-roster-additions]The TE Position, 2 Active Roster Additions[/url]

Mason actually led the NFL in rushing yards in the preseason, and with the team putting Jesse Chatman on IR, Mason becomes a special teams and depth player.

[B][I]MY VIEW[/I][/B]

The Redskins should have signed Marcus Mason instead of Shaun Alexander. Mason produced in the Redskin scheme, he could have also helped the special teams.

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My view: Yawn.

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Well good luck to Mason, I guess he may get a chance to show his stuff. I am happy for him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495368]My view: Yawn.[/quote]

We will see if he can average more than 2.1 yards per carry. :)

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Hey, he's finally on an active NFL roster. That's a good first step. We'll see if he can lead the league in rushing when it counts or have even a fraction of the success that Alexander has had.

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ho hum. right up there with Mr. Espy

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;495375]We will see if he can average more than 2.1 yards per carry. :)[/quote]


We will see how he does against real NFL players and not 3rd stringers. He hasn't proven anything at this level. If he does, good for him. But I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.

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good for him,i hope he does great.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495368]My view: Yawn.[/quote]

double yawn...

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If he's lucky, Marcus Mason [I]may[/I] have as a good a career as Kenny Watson - a third string back on a bad team that occassionally gets him some good carries.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;495364][B][I]THE NEWS[/I][/B]

Running back [B]Marcus Mason[/B] was signed by the Jets off of the Baltimore practice squad, according to NewYorkJets.com.

[url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/778-the-te-position-2-active-roster-additions]The TE Position, 2 Active Roster Additions[/url]

Mason actually led the NFL in rushing yards in the preseason, and with the team putting Jesse Chatman on IR, Mason becomes a special teams and depth player.

[B][I]MY VIEW[/I][/B]

The Redskins should have signed Marcus Mason instead of Shaun Alexander. Mason produced in the Redskin scheme, he could have also helped the special teams.[/quote]

You know who led the league in rushing in the 2007 preseason? Thomas Clayton. Who? Exactly. And Quincy Wilson was tied for the lead in 2006. Who??? Exactly

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I think everyone knows, or SHOULD know by now, how different each one of us feels about Mason vs Alexander. ONLY TIME WILL TELL. This thread should be renamed "Beating A Dead Horse". Don't forget, it was SPECULATION that drove gas prices so high. :bdh:

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[quote=Mattyk72;495378]Hey, he's finally on an active NFL roster. That's a good first step. We'll see if he can lead the league in rushing when it counts or have even a fraction of the success that Alexander has [B]had[/B].[/quote]

had is the appropriate word..



Congrats MM

I will bet anything that if he gets the chance to play he will shine. he might be just what the Jets need because their running game isn't producing and he might be a good switch up to spell Thomas Jones for a couple of carries (I bet he will do better than tip-toe burglar - 2.1 yards per carry)..stay tuned..lol

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If they need a practice squad player to boost their running game, they're already in serious trouble. I wish him the best, I'm just not counting on him becoming the next great thing in the NFL.

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I hope he does well, never really got on the whole MM bandwagon, but I have nothing against the man.

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I've said so many different ways I'll say it again....you can't judge a player by his preseason play only. I know it goes both ways. Some say he would not do well up against 1st stringers. There was a lot of things going on during preseason. They kept using different linemen to see which was the best group to pair up. The linemen were not opening the holes for Portis or Betts either.
Some say Mason led the NFL in rushing yrds during preseason. There's no denying that but some say he did it against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

I would like to believe it lies somewhere in between. The perfect way to judge Mason would have been to get Portis in a game where he's running all over the place and then stick in Mason and see the difference. I can only hope the coach's would be evaluating a player based off of his talent and talent ability vs his preseason play only.

In my little mind I like to think Mason has the talent and ability but simply didn't have the chance to show it outside of preseason. The Skins had more needs at other positions that they felt was more important then to keep 4 RB's. Who knows if the Skins didn't contact Mason and ask him if he would like to come back and he said no. We might never know. There's more to it then simply pulling someone from someones practice squad.

We also can't judge the TTB (Tip-Toe Burgler, SA) on 2 games only. He knows the plays but does not know the run blocking or pass blocking schemes on every play. He has not taken a hit for over 6 months. The TTB is no pound the ground RB he's more of a finess RB that will juke a defensemen out of his shoes. It will take time for him to get up to speed but like has been said in other threads we needed someone to step in right away and contribute while Betts was out not some one who needs time to learn the game and learn to take a hit again and was hired based on a deteriorating past performance. Oh and 'cause he was a MVP. (ooooh, aaaaaah)

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;495517]I will bet anything that if he gets the chance to play he will shine. he might be just what the Jets need [B]because their running game isn't producing[/B] and he might be a good switch up to spell Thomas Jones for a couple of carries (I bet he will do better than tip-toe burglar - 2.1 yards per carry)..stay tuned..lol[/quote]
Not quite sure what you mean by the Jets running game not producing. They're averaging 115 yds/game, which is the middle of the pack in the NFL (15th overall). Thomas Jones is averaging 4.4 yards/carry. Leon Washington is holding is own as well, 5.7 yards/carry. While Jones and Washington are no superstars, they have both helped the Jets get to 4-3, despite Favre's best efforts of giving the ball away (11 INTs, 2 Lost fumbles).

Marcus Mason will be nothing more to the Jets than a warm body in case something happens to Jones or Washington, just as Jesse Chatman was filling that role before he was put on IR.

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The only advantage this kid had over a FA for the Skins was playbook knowledge.
It is interesting to speculate if he would have done better than SA the last 2 weeks...its hard to do worse, but, we will never know.

I think the one that got away that could have helped us this year was WR McMullen.
I think the Skins would have [I]considered[/I] bringing him back if they need to put Kelly on IR after the bye.

At least these guys aren't likely to do more than backup...I really dont think we let anyone of substance get away

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[quote=BDBohnzie;495589]Not quite sure what you mean by the Jets running game not producing. They're averaging 115 yds/game, which is the middle of the pack in the NFL (15th overall). Thomas Jones is averaging 4.4 yards/carry. Leon Washington is holding is own as well, 5.7 yards/carry. While Jones and Washington are no superstars, they have both helped the Jets get to 4-3, despite Favre's best efforts of giving the ball away (11 INTs, 2 Lost fumbles).

Marcus Mason will be nothing more to the Jets than a warm body in case something happens to Jones or Washington, just as Jesse Chatman was filling that role before he was put on IR.[/quote]

Touche (first paragraph). I stand corrected. But he still can contribute if given a chance. A little above the middle of the pack in rushing is decent.

I agree with [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/members/sbxvii.html"][SIZE=3][COLOR=#670100]SBXVII[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]. My sentiments exactly. Its not like he came in to be the second back because we didn't have one. He came in to fill in for BEtts until he comes back. We didn't have time for him to get in game shape. Besides mason being in game shape and practicing since the offseason with our team would have made him more appropraite and with less hype than a MVP that players weren't familiar with and was on the streets. He knew the plays to and if he was the 3rd or 4th back he woul dhave learned more. But I totally agree with you [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/members/sbxvii.html"][SIZE=3][COLOR=#670100]SBXVII[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]. What esle would you want a guy to do in preseason. He did better than backs that were picked in the draft and were highly touted. So what is that saying. Skill is skill. If not he would have not did anything in preseason.

I wish him good luck with the Jets and hopefully he will get some burn. I hope he suceeds.

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I've never seen so many people get excited about a back that ran for yards against 3rd or 4th stringers.

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I never seen so many people get excited about a former MVP that is old and washed up.

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OH NO! Our future has been destroyed!


Yawn from me also.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;495624]I never seen so many people get excited about a former MVP that is old and washed up.[/quote]

You mean the “Tiptoe Burglar.”
You hit him hard and runs like a girl. Not the kind of runningback you want to have. There is a reason he was not on a roster.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;495624]I never seen so many people get excited about a former MVP that is old and washed up.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is really excited about SA. I think most of us here just thought it was a solid move.


I didn't know Marcus Mason had already done enough to prove that he was better than SA. He might be more talented, but he hasn't DONE ANYTHING AT THIS LEVEL!!!! Sorry, I'm not trying to yell. I just don't get all the hype on a guy that hasn't really done anything except run well against 3rd and 4th stringers in the preseason.

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[quote=Redskins_P;495675][B]I don't think anyone is really excited about SA. I think most of us here just thought it was a solid move.[/B]


I didn't know Marcus Mason had already done enough to prove that he was better than SA. He might be more talented, but he hasn't DONE ANYTHING AT THIS LEVEL!!!! Sorry, I'm not trying to yell. I just don't get all the hype on a guy that hasn't really done anything except run well against 3rd and 4th stringers in the preseason.[/quote]

And at the vet min, who cares? It's a good gamble.

He's only holding the spot until Betts is back anyway, which should be after the bye.

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[quote=Redskins_P;495675]I don't think anyone is really excited about SA. I think most of us here just thought it was a solid move.


I didn't know Marcus Mason had already done enough to prove that he was better than SA. He might be more talented, but he hasn't DONE ANYTHING AT THIS LEVEL!!!! Sorry, I'm not trying to yell. I just don't get all the hype on a guy that hasn't really done anything except run well against 3rd and 4th stringers in the preseason.[/quote]

There are many players that haven't done anything at this level (we have 2 receivers and a TE for example), but if you believe they have the talent then they are worth the risk. If the assumption is that SA is just here until Betts gets back, then why not bring in someone young that could be a diamond in the rough? We know what we will probably get with SA and it is not that exciting. I would rather take a chance on someone that has something to prove and the drive knowing he is trying to make it in this league.

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[quote=Jake2008;495689]There are many players that haven't done anything at this level (we have 2 receivers and a TE for example), but if you believe they have the talent then they are worth the risk. If the assumption is that SA is just here until Betts gets back, then why not bring in someone young that could be a diamond in the rough? We know what we will probably get with SA and it is not that exciting. I would rather take a chance on someone that has something to prove and the drive knowing he is trying to make it in this league.[/quote]

I'm with you Jake. Why bring in a guy that you know is washed up. I don't care how much you pay him. I'd rather see a hungry, hard running player that has something to prove, that will fight for every yard, than some broke down back. It's not that I'm so excited about Mason, I just think he is a better option than a has been BUM.

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[quote=Redskins_P;495675]I don't think anyone is really excited about SA. I think most of us here just thought it was a solid move.


I didn't know Marcus Mason had already done enough to prove that he was better than SA. He might be more talented, but he hasn't DONE ANYTHING AT THIS LEVEL!!!! Sorry, I'm not trying to yell. I just don't get all the hype on a guy that hasn't really done anything except run well against 3rd and 4th stringers in the preseason.[/quote

Again with the 2nd/3rd stringers. Yawn.

Mason has not done anything in this league. My only complaint is that if you are evaluating him from this yrs preseason you must be nuts. Portis and Betts could not get yardage with the 1st stringers. Rock could not do anything either with the 1st stringers or 2nd/3rd stringers. The OL was having a terrible time with the run blocking openning holes. So please stop with the 2nd/3rd stringers. If we are evaluating like some of you I would have to cut Portis, Betts and Rock.

Now if you all know something I didn't see like say after week one Mason was put in and didn't run a yard then you guys can't say he would suck either.

You now your right. We know what we are getting in SA. That's exactly why some of us were not happy with the signing. Some of us would rather have a young RB to be groomed for the future for when our 3 RB's that are the same age and came out of the same draft get washed up and need replaced. Instead the team lets the only young RB we have go and replaces him with a RB who is 1 or 2 yrs older then the ones we have. Not to mention his abilities are on the decline. Tell me you guys actually thought you were getting the MVP SA. Convince me that you all really thought you were getting the MVP running back. One who would come in here and tear up the field as Betts replacement.

Never mind please don't try.

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LOL, I don't get it. When did anyone here say that we expected SA to come in here and tear it up? They signed SA because he knows the offense and is very familiar with most of our offensive coaching staff. I NEVER expected SA to come in here and play at an MVP level, and for anyone who did, they must be smoking some serious $hit! You can't expect him to come in here and tear it up after he'd been out of the league for almost 2 years.

The front office and coaching staff decided to go with a veteran instead of young undrafted player who hadn't done anything at this level.

I don't know what you expect me to say? SA is only here because Betts is injured. Not because we badly needed him and not because we think he's better than Betts. He was signed at veteran MINIMUM for 1 year. You guys make it sound like we broke the bank for this guy and expected him to be a MVP. We already have an MVP in Portis!

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It's nepotism in a NFL, not related sort of way.

While Mason is the younger guy with more upside, Alexander is the 4 week security blanket which whom both Stump and Zorn have known and coached his entire career. Mason has more potential for the future, but Alexander has more potential for the right this minute, which is what the coaching staff is looking for.

Granted, Alexander hasn't done much....I won't argue with that. However, I do believe Alexander's impact could be reach further than Mason's during this stretch without Ladell. I also think too that the Skins were excited about the potential a tandem like Portis and Alexander could very well be, if Alexander returns to MVP form. Not saying he will, but the case is there...

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[quote=BDBohnzie;495742]It's nepotism in a NFL, not related sort of way.

While Mason is the younger guy with more upside, Alexander is the 4 week security blanket which whom both Stump and Zorn have known and coached his entire career. Mason has more potential for the future, but Alexander has more potential for the right this minute, which is what the coaching staff is looking for.

Granted, Alexander hasn't done much....I won't argue with that. However, I do believe Alexander's impact could be reach further than Mason's during this stretch without Ladell. I also think too that the Skins were excited about the potential a tandem like Portis and Alexander could very well be, if Alexander returns to MVP form. Not saying he will, but the case is there...[/quote]

I agree with your theory, but I don't think we will ever know if SA would provide more impact then Mason. SA knows the offense, but I don't think that is a huge advantage for a running back.

I do think some people think of SA and the glory years and vision him playing like that again. We have done this many times with older superstars and so of all people we should know better by now. I think SA is an average back at best now and if Portis goes out neither him nor Mason could replace him and we would be in trouble. Mason just has the upside of youth and desire.

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[quote=SBXVII;495708]Portis and Betts could not get yardage with the 1st stringers. Rock could not do anything either with the 1st stringers or 2nd/3rd stringers. The OL was having a terrible time with the run blocking openning holes. So please stop with the 2nd/3rd stringers. [B]If we are evaluating like some of you I would have to cut Portis, Betts and Rock.[/B][/quote]

It's hard to even debate a point with logic like that. Even if we go back to the preseason, and ignore what's happening right now; Portis reached 5000 yards for his career, faster than any running back EVER, and owns multiple Redskins rushing records. Betts rushed for 1100 yards in eight starts a couple years ago, and Rock is a solid #3 and an above average kick returner.

In order for Mason to make the squad, he would have had prove that he could be more valuable than Rock. When he was given the chance to perform Rock's primary function(returning kicks), he fumbled. He also had issues picking up the blitz. Peace, Mason. Good luck.

Why would ANY team hold on to a player that may or may not be a flash in the pan, with the caliber of proven football players in front of him, at his position? And even suggesting that Mason was doing things in preseason that Portis and Betts could not do is just plain ignorant.

And as far as picking up Alexander; while I'm not a big fan of it, the situation is basically a wash. A washed up MVP, or a never was... hmmm.

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I have reason to believe Portis finds Alexander more valuable than Mason, even if only as a information resource.

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Let's beat this dead horse some more ...

Running backs in the NFL take a tremendous beating. The typical life span of a NFL running back is less than five years. The drop off in production is exponential and rarely is regained. The point I've tried to make, and others as well, is Shaun Alexander is well past that point of being productive. This off-season, all 32 teams agreed with this point. If he had anything left, he wouldn't have been a free agent for so long. I know Zorn and Stump are buddies with Alexander and that's why they picked him up. He is nothing more than a warm body. Running back is a young man's position. Running back is one of the few positions a player can come straight out of college and make an immediate contribution to a team. The only reason we keep talking about Mason is he showed potential. To me, that's better than a warm body.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;495888]The only reason we keep talking about Mason is he showed potential. To me, that's better than a warm body.[/quote]

Ironically, that's all Mason is to the Jets...

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;495878]I have reason to believe Portis finds Alexander more valuable than Mason, even if only as a information resource.[/quote]

Straight from the horse's mouth folks.

Shouldn't you be at practice or watching some film?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;495878]I have reason to believe Portis finds Alexander more valuable than Mason, even if only as a information resource.[/quote]

I don't think there is much if anything that SA could teach Portis at this point in his career. If anything I would say Mason would have benefitted from Portis's knowledge which could have been beneficial in the long run.

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[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Portis___It_s_An_Honor__To_Play_With_Alexander_25265.jsp"]Hmm, I wonder why Portis watched film that had Alexander playing to get himself acquainted with Zorn'sWCO.[/URL]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;495915][URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Portis___It_s_An_Honor__To_Play_With_Alexander_25265.jsp"]Hmm, I wonder why Portis watched film that had Alexander playing to get himself acquainted with Zorn'sWCO.[/URL][/quote]

If I didn't want to cause tension in the locker room I would blow smoke up his ass too. CP was already a household name before SA was League MVP.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;495915][URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Portis___It_s_An_Honor__To_Play_With_Alexander_25265.jsp"]Hmm, I wonder why Portis watched film that had Alexander playing to get himself acquainted with Zorn'sWCO.[/URL][/quote]

Portis is a class act. There is nothing he says here that is surprising. You would never see Portis say 'Look I am the league rushing leader and have been great for years. There is nothing SA can teach me.' :)