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6-4, following a 6-2 start, not where we want to be but not a terrible position to be in either. The one thing we knew with Gibbs' teams is he know how to get them to play down the stretch, we don't know that about Zorn. We're playing in a fierce division where every game counts. We're now 2-2 in the division. Credit to the Cowboys for doing what they remarkably failed to do last time these two teams met, put the game in Barber's hands.

Ok, let's get to it

[B]Offensive Line[/B] I wouldn't be surprised to see a near clean sweep of the line starting next year with Geisinger, Rinehart, and Heyer in for Rabach, Kendall, and Jansen. The Cowboys' D Line is good, let's not forget that, but we can't be that bad, can we? What I'm most worried about, and if it is the case then it's actually completely understandable, is that Bugel's heart and mind just aren't on football at all anymore. And without the leadership and guidance he's always offered to the line they seem lost. I think Buges is gone after this season.

[B]Andre Carter[/B] I was your biggest fan on this site, before you even signed with the team and last year you proved me right. But this year? I don't know man, you're just not getting it done.

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Look, I don't want to fall in to this trap everyone else seems to be and forget that you're a rookie NFL head coach. So I want to cut you some slack, but I think maybe you forget you're a rookie head coach and you're trying to fool people when you're only fooling yourself. You've done great things but it also boggles my mind how you operate sometimes. That play on 4th and 4? What was that? First, the decision to even go for it and then the actual playcall? Plus our two minute offense is pretty weak.

All that said, I think I'm starting to understand what your gameplan for year one was, focus on taking Campbell to the next level. I think you've done a good job getting him there, now you have to help him even more by getting other guys up to speed. I'm not going to sit here and call Thomas, Kelly, and Davis busts because obviously they're not. Halfway through their rookie year and people want to call them busts? If they're the same three years from now that's fine but don't call them busts quite yet. However, we need to start getting them more involved.

[B]People who start threads complaining about Sharpe, Marino, etc. having no respect for the team and then that same person saying the game is over with the Redskins down just 4 with nearly 8 minutes left to play[/B] Seriously? You start a whiny thread about how no one loves us and then you give up. Maybe before you start asking others to respect the team, you should too. Let's not forget we've come from behind plenty this year.

[B]Cowboys Fans[/B] Sandtrapjack, etc. Another mod may override me, but I'm telling you right now I don't want to hear from you all week. You didn't have the balls to show up on this site after the first game so don't come gloating now because I will ban you for a week. This is one of those times I will freely flex my mod muscle for my own gain.

[B]Fred Smoot[/B] Lovely tackle early on TO when you flipped him over. After that you look overwhelmed. Are you hurt? Because you and AC look like you're playing at 33 RPM while the rest of the players out there are at 45 RPM (anyone still have vinyl records by the way?)

All in all a tough loss. And now, per my usual ritual, I won't be watching ESPN all week. I never watch ESPN after a loss until we win again. As you can imagine, it's especially challenging for me.

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[B]Jason Taylor [/B]had one pressure the whole game. Unacceptable. I understand his problem with stopping the run but If he can't get pressure, we might as well put in a guy who can stop the run.

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[quote=SmootSmack;501606]6-4, following a 6-2 start, not where we want to be but not a terrible position to be in either. The one thing we knew with Gibbs' teams is he know how to get them to play down the stretch, we don't know that about Zorn. We're playing in a fierce division where every game counts. We're now 2-2 in the division. Credit to the Cowboys for doing what they remarkably failed to do last time these two teams met, put the game in Barber's hands.

Ok, let's get to it

[B]Offensive Line[/B] I wouldn't be surprised to see a near clean sweep of the line starting next year with Geisinger, Rinehart, and Heyer in for Rabach, Kendall, and Jansen. The Cowboys' D Line is good, let's not forget that, but we can't be that bad, can we? What I'm most worried about, and if it is the case then it's actually completely understandable, is that Bugel's heart and mind just aren't on football at all anymore. And without the leadership and guidance he's always offered to the line they seem lost. I think Buges is gone after this season.

[B]Andre Carter[/B] I was your biggest fan on this site, before you even signed with the team and last year you proved me right. But this year? I don't know man, you're just not getting it done.

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Look, I don't want to fall in to this trap everyone else seems to be and forget that you're a rookie NFL head coach. So I want to cut you some slack, but I think maybe you forget you're a rookie head coach and you're trying to fool people when you're only fooling yourself. You've done great things but it also boggles my mind how you operate sometimes. That play on 4th and 4? What was that? First, the decision to even go for it and then the actual playcall? Plus our two minute offense is pretty weak.

All that said, I think I'm starting to understand what your gameplan for year one was, focus on taking Campbell to the next level. I think you've done a good job getting him there, now you have to help him even more by getting other guys up to speed. I'm not going to sit here and call Thomas, Kelly, and Davis busts because obviously they're not. Halfway through their rookie year and people want to call them busts? If they're the same three years from now that's fine but don't call them busts quite yet. However, we need to start getting them more involved.

[B]People who start threads complaining about Sharpe, Marino, etc. having no respect for the team and then that same person saying the game is over with the Redskins down just 4 with nearly 8 minutes left to play Seriously? You start a whiny thread about how no one loves us and then you give up. Maybe before you start asking others to respect the team, you should too. Let's not forget we've come from behind plenty this year. [/B]

[B]Cowboys Fans[/B] Sandtrapjack, etc. Another mod may override me, but I'm telling you right now I don't want to hear from you all week. You didn't have the balls to show up on this site after the first game so don't come gloating now because I will ban you for a week. This is one of those times I will freely flex my mod muscle for my own gain.

[B]Fred Smoot[/B] Lovely tackle early on TO when you flipped him over. After that you look overwhelmed. Are you hurt? Because you and AC look like you're playing at 33 RPM while the rest of the players out there are at 45 RPM (anyone still have vinyl records by the way?)

All in all a tough loss. And now, per my usual ritual, I won't be watching ESPN all week. I never watch ESPN after a loss until we win again. As you can imagine, it's especially challenging for me.[/quote]

SmootSmack wins: Brutality. Flawless Victory.

Btw, why won't you watch ESPN?

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Definitely agree about the offensive line. When Ratliff wasn't beating Rabach, he was beating Thomas. And Samuels isn't the same player when he's injured, he was having his fair share to overcome all night too. I think it's clear that the offense is what's holding the team back right now. We waste good defensive efforts and it looks like JC isn't trusting the rest of the offense the way he used to simply because he's afraid of getting sacked.

And I'm not on the draft pick busts train yet, but I too feel that they should at least be making a minimal impact. Davis and Kelly don't even see the field and it seems Devin Thomas can only run 5 yard curls when he's on the field. I'm not asking them to be DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal but a minimal impact would be nice.

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[B]"That play on 4th and 4? What was that? First, the decision to even go for it and then the actual playcall?"[/B]

Yes. If you have to call a timeout to find out whether or not you want to go for it on 4th down, you better have something really ingenious cooked up.

Don't all coaches have a killer play for 4th and 3-5?

Portis was wide open underneath on that play by the way, but Campbell was zeroed in on Moss who had no chance for the first down marker anyway.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;501628]SmootSmack wins: Brutality. Flawless Victory.

Btw, why won't you watch ESPN?[/quote]

I don't know. I just need a reprieve from all the football talk (other than here of course), and then have people on air revert to old "standbys" like "Danny is a meddler. He wants to buy a Super Bowl" And then I have see these same people in the cafeteria.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Bottom line is there's nothing that can be done but wait for the next game. So I'd rather just wait for it, without having to be reminded constantly about the last loss.

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[quote=SmootSmack;501634]I don't know. I just need a reprieve from all the football talk (other than here of course), and then have people on air revert to old "standbys" like "Danny is a meddler. He wants to buy a Super Bowl" [B]And then I have see these same people in the cafeteria.
[/B]
Anyway, I'm rambling. Bottom line is there's nothing that can be done but wait for the next game. So I'd rather just wait for it, without having to be reminded constantly about the last loss.[/quote]

Huh? Cafeteria? What people?

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I agree with about everything you said SmootSmack. The thing with Buges has been on my mind the last 2-3 games. He is so revered, rightfully so, I hesitated to say anything but I think you may be right. He is a great coach but I cannot imagine anyone being fully focused on football after what he's been through. I think with Gibbs gone and the death of his daughter, a lot of joy has been taken from him. God bless him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;501634]I don't know. I just need a reprieve from all the football talk (other than here of course), and then have people on air revert to old "standbys" like "Danny is a meddler. He wants to buy a Super Bowl" And then I have see these same people in the cafeteria.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Bottom line is there's nothing that can be done but wait for the next game. So I'd rather just wait for it, without having to be reminded constantly about the last loss.[/quote]

Ugh, I hate hearing that too. I heard it last week when they were saying,"The Redskins signing DeAngelo Hall only proved one thing, that Dan Snyder loves bringing in the big name."

And that's a big reason as to why I don't even bother watching ESPN's NFL coverage anymore.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;501628]SmootSmack wins: Brutality. Flawless Victory.

Btw, why won't you watch ESPN?[/quote]

Because they're fair weather analyst..When we win they praise when we lose well it figures or we dont match up..Yet these are the same analyst whom jock the eagles..the same eagles team who tied the Bungels

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Look, even when the guys on ESPN (or any other network) are saying positive things about the Redskins, I just don't care to listen to it when all I'm doing is waiting for next week's game...which I hope is a merciless blowout of the Seahawks.

Instead I'll just subject myself to another week of "Whither the GOP now?"

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[quote=Beemnseven;501632][B]"That play on 4th and 4? What was that? First, the decision to even go for it and then the actual playcall?"[/B]

Yes. If you have to call a timeout to find out whether or not you want to go for it on 4th down, you better have something really ingenious cooked up.

Don't all coaches have a killer play for 4th and 3-5?

Portis was wide open underneath on that play by the way, but [B]Campbell was zeroed in on Moss who had no chance for the first down marker anyway[/B].[/quote]Agreed. Campbell had tunnel vision on Moss for too long and that ruined the play. Moss had ZERO chance of converting. Portis would have been a difficult touch pass, because he was only about 2 yards clear of the D-linemen, but I would have liked Campbell to look somewhere other than Moss

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I think it was not a bad call to go for it on 4th down. The cowboys got the ball back and we couldn't stop them. Why think we would have stopped them from the 20?

As for the play--hard to say (outside of the obvious fact that it failed). JC did not throw right away. He got pressure up the middle. Then he went to Moss and it was too late. Zorn said that the play was designed to Santana, but that JC should have come off of him after the initial pressure. Not sure what the other options were or if they were open. But again the lack of pass pro disrupted things, which is a problem in a timing/rhythm offense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;501606][B]Andre Carter[/B] I was your biggest fan on this site, before you even signed with the team and last year you proved me right. But this year? I don't know man, you're just not getting it done. [/quote]The only difference between Carter last year and Carter this year is that those sacks are becoming pressures in which the QB can get rid of the ball. This is because:

1) No pressure from non-Carter DL players allows QBs to slide away from Carter's pressure.

2) Man coverage schemes that allow the Quarterback to pick out where they are going with the ball presnap and throw it there when they feel pressure.

Carter's sack totals are down, but we can't confuse that with him being ineffective. We've gotten a lot of pressure on Quarterbacks and that's mostly his doing. I agree that he did not do a whole lot tonight.

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i was at the game. Carter was doubled alot. its Taylor, and the rest of the crew that are totally not getting anything done. the 2 biggest problems are the o line, who keeps getting pushed around. and Smoot. he simply cannot cover in man to man. and for the first time, Zorn looked alittle shaky. that challenge was down right brutal. the use of timeouts at the end of the first half. and the play calling

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[quote=SmootSmack;501634]I don't know. I just need a reprieve from all the football talk (other than here of course), and then have people on air revert to old "standbys" like "Danny is a meddler. He wants to buy a Super Bowl" And then I have see these same people in the cafeteria.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Bottom line is there's nothing that can be done but wait for the next game. So I'd rather just wait for it, without having to be reminded constantly about the last loss.[/quote]


Yea....don't forget ESPN will show a 30 second clip of a Skins win and talk for hours about how the rest of the league did on the same day but god forbid if Dallas wins. I bet if someone has the nads to watch ESPN you will see high lights all week mostly about the Dallas win. I also bet they show the game atleast twice on the NFL network.

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Agree w/ SS take. I'll add:

JC looks slower for some reason....slower than many other young QB's like Flacco, Ryan, Romo, Edwards, Rodgers. He's just not too mobile and that might be his achilles heel. He's gotten alot better in his pocket presence but he still not there. Don't get me wrong our Oline wasn't good last night, but JC didn't shine either. JC needs near perfect protection to be really good. Most QB's can be pretty good w/ near perfect protection.

Defensive Line: No pass rush

Playcalling: Let it rip a little bit. If John Madden keeps repeating that we need to loosen up the Defense we probably do. No more 3 yard outs if they're not giving it to us.

Defense: Played pretty well. Our O didn't help out one bit.

Home Field Advantage: We have absolutely no home field advantage, because we lose at home quite often. Good teams don't do this.

It is what it is: We're a below average offensive team. The #'s show this. We're 10 games in. I've been worried that we can't put up points against bad teams only to hear...a win's a win. It is, but, that's why I was worried. We can't score points. We are also a very good defensive team.

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[quote=SBXVII;501706]Yea....don't forget ESPN will show a 30 second clip of a Skins win and talk for hours about how the rest of the league did on the same day but god forbid if Dallas wins. I bet if someone has the nads to watch ESPN you will see high lights all week mostly about the Dallas win. I also bet they show the game atleast twice on the NFL network.[/quote]

Yeah, they opened with the Skins/Boys game on Sportscenter this morning and 90% of the "analysis" was about how much more comfortable Romo looked in the second half...

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[quote=SmootSmack;501659][B]Look, even when the guys on ESPN (or any other network) are saying positive things about the Redskins, I just don't care to listen to it [/B]when all I'm doing is waiting for next week's game...which I hope is a merciless blowout of the Seahawks.

[B]Instead I'll just subject myself to another week of "Whither the GOP now?"[/B][/quote]

Haha. I'm right there with you on both points.

To add to your first post:

[B]Home Field Advantage: [/B]Ummm, where is it? We've lost 3 out of 4 at home. It's so tough to win on the road in this league, if you can't take care of business in your own house, you're not going far.

[B]Pass Rush:[/B] Demetric Evans is better than Jason Taylor. Plain and simple. Everyone can look at past statistics and accolades, blah blah blah. Demetric leads the team in sacks and is better against the run. I don't know if Taylor is still injured or if he's just lost it, but he doesn't deserve to be on the field right now.

[B]4th Quarter Defense: [/B]With the game on the line, they run Marion Barber down our throat 11, yes ELEVEN straight times, and we can't stop it at all. You're playing at home against your archrival in a game you've dubbed "must win," you know exactly what's coming, and you can't stop it? Embarrassing. The D has been our strong suit overall, but that was a sad showing to end the game.

On a side note, I've seen a few comments about Buges not being in it. Our O-line starters have been around long enough to know their assignments. Buges not mentally being 100% for a few weeks has not caused this regression. Age and quickly diminishing skills have.

When I look at our bad O-line and lack of pass rush, I can't help but think of how we used our 3 top picks on pass catchers, and two of them can't even make it on the field.

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[quote=SmootSmack;501606]
[B]I'm not going to sit here and call Thomas, Kelly, and Davis busts because obviously they're not.[/B]

[B]People who start threads complaining about Sharpe, Marino, etc. having no respect for the team and then that same person saying the game is over with the Redskins down just 4 with nearly 8 minutes left to play[/B] Seriously? You start a whiny thread about how no one loves us and then you give up. Maybe before you start asking others to respect the team, you should too. Let's not forget we've come from behind plenty this year.
[/quote]

To the first point. You're right, you can't call them busts. That would imply some ability to predict the future, which we cannot do, but we can deal with reality in the present. Kelly can't get on the field, I think Davis probably could do something but I am basing on that on pure speculation since he has not done anything, but Thomas is a liability when he is on the field. He not only doesn't help, he actively hurts the team. He couldn't manage to line up on the LOS on one play (ever think of looking to the side judge and getting the signal Devin?) which cost the team an 8 yard gain on first down (from 2nd and 2 to 1st and 15) and then he dropped a 3rd down pass on the final drive that would have at least extended the drive. Hopefully he will turn into the #2 receiver on this team (but I'm starting to think the law of averages is against us ... how likely is it that 4 or 5 receivers from the 2nd round turn out to be really good?). The point, though, is that while it is premature to call him a bust it is not premature to point out that he seems incapable of doing simple things like lining up properly. And this game is not the first time that he has demonstrated a general lack of football IQ (not to mention ability ... right now about all I know he can do is run a 40 yards pretty fast). With Thomas it does not look like a question of the coaching staff being unable to get him involved in the offense, it is that he is fundamentally incapable of contributing (if you want to blame someone I guess we can point to Stan Hixon) but I have trouble blaming any coach for the type of mistakes the Thomas has repeatedly made this season.

To the second point. AMEN!!!

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Defense was great. Bottom line, you give up 14 points to a talented team, you have done your job. Obviously, they should have sold out and stopped Barber in the fourth quarter, but defense was not the problem.

If not for Cartwright, we would have have only one scoring drive all game, and we needed to convert a fourth down to keep that drive alive.

Campbell played tough, was hit often and got rid of the ball under duress on a number of occasions, but overall played poorly. The fourth and four summarized his night. Even if Moss catches that ball, it is not a first down. You need to a least give yourself a chance for success. I believe when he stepped up in the pocket, he could have run for a first. Jason, take what you can and live for another play. Let's try to WIN the game...you play way too conservatively.

On the bright side, we shouldn't have to break the bank to retain services.

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Wait, I thought we won the draft? Now you're telling me we [I]lost[/I] it?

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[quote=GTripp0012;501752]Wait, I thought we won the draft? Now you're telling me we [I]lost[/I] it?[/quote]

What did the Ol Ball Coach say? "Hindsight is 50-50?"

I'm not saying at least one of our three top picks won't pan out, I'm saying we should have drafted the one guy we had highest on our chart (Thomas I guess), and used the other two to bolster some badly needed offensive depth.

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[quote=GMScud;501756]What did the Ol Ball Coach say? "Hindsight is 50-50?"

I'm not saying at least one of our three top picks won't pan out, I'm saying we should have drafted the one guy we had highest on our chart (Thomas I guess), and used the other two to bolster some badly needed offensive depth.[/quote]You sound like me on draft day.

Look, it's hard to believe that our WRs aren't still in good position for the future, but we're going to need to see something from Malcolm Kelly in the last six games to go in feeling like we accomplished something.

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[quote=dmek25;501697]i was at the game. Carter was doubled alot. its Taylor, and the rest of the crew that are totally not getting anything done. the 2 biggest problems are the o line, who keeps getting pushed around. and Smoot. he simply cannot cover in man to man. and for the first time, Zorn looked alittle shaky. that challenge was down right brutal. the use of timeouts at the end of the first half. and the play calling[/quote]

I'm sorry but no one on this site or any smart Redskin fan should bitch about the defense. The offense constantly keeps sending them out on the field yet they ALWAYS keep the game close. They gave up 14 points to a very very good offense. It's painfully clear we can't rush the passer. But Blache and his guys should get more credit. They are doing it with smoke and mirrors.

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about 4-5 horribly blown calls by the refs.

2 that were reviewd.

fuckin horrible.

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[quote=GMScud;501732]Haha. I'm right there with you on both points.

To add to your first post:

[B]Home Field Advantage: [/B]Ummm, where is it? We've lost 3 out of 4 at home. It's so tough to win on the road in this league, if you can't take care of business in your own house, you're not going far.

[B]Pass Rush:[/B] Demetric Evans is better than Jason Taylor. Plain and simple. Everyone can look at past statistics and accolades, blah blah blah. Demetric leads the team in sacks and is better against the run. I don't know if Taylor is still injured or if he's just lost it, but he doesn't deserve to be on the field right now.

[B]4th Quarter Defense: [/B]With the game on the line, they run Marion Barber down our throat 11, yes ELEVEN straight times, and we can't stop it at all. You're playing at home against your archrival in a game you've dubbed "must win," you know exactly what's coming, and you can't stop it? Embarrassing. The D has been our strong suit overall, but that was a sad showing to end the game.

[B]On a side note, I've seen a few comments about Buges not being in it. Our O-line starters have been around long enough to know their assignments. Buges not mentally being 100% for a few weeks has not caused this regression. Age and quickly diminishing skills have. [/B]
When I look at our bad O-line and lack of pass rush, I can't help but think of how we used our 3 top picks on pass catchers, and two of them can't even make it on the field.[/quote]

No one is arguing that. The comment about Buges was just an observation.

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[quote=jsnyder03;501749]Defense was great. Bottom line, you give up 14 points to a talented team, you have done your job. Obviously, they should have sold out and stopped Barber in the fourth quarter, but defense was not the problem.

[B]If not for Cartwright, we would have have only one scoring drive all game[/B], and we needed to convert a fourth down to keep that drive alive.

Campbell played tough, was hit often and got rid of the ball under duress on a number of occasions, but overall played poorly. The fourth and four summarized his night. Even if Moss catches that ball, it is not a first down. You need to a least give yourself a chance for success. I believe when he stepped up in the pocket, he could have run for a first. Jason, take what you can and live for another play. Let's try to WIN the game...you play way too conservatively.

On the bright side, we shouldn't have to break the bank to retain services.[/quote]

Ya what is it with punt coverage teams having such a problem with downing the ball when it is close to the goal line? You would think that they have this drilled in their head to keep sight of the goal line and don't cross it. Cartwright is a veteran and should have know better. Heck the ball was stopped and laying there. No need to dive on it like it was a live gernade and you were taking one for the team.

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It's not that we're 6-4 instead of 8-2 or 7-3. It's not even that we've lost two in a row at home in ugly fashion. It's the fact that we had a chance to BURY our archrival with a regular season sweep in front of a home crowd and wasted the opportunity. We gave our hated rival their season back. That to me is just flat out nauseating.

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its disgusting.

didnt score off turnovers, so getting them means shit.

jason taylor, i completly agree, get him off the field he isnt playing well AT ALL right now.

DeAngelo, welcome.... u should have been in when Fred was gasping for air...

shaun alexander? ... goodbye dude, have a seat Rock should be ahead of u on the depth chart u are terrible and dont even deserve to have reps in the game.

jason campbell ... can't zoom in on moss so much and force him the ball... can't blame u for the O-Line lack of pass pro....

clinton, played well as usual... but i think maybe u should have rested 2 be honest.

suisam ... what else is new, good for a critical miss in every game more so than not.

fletcher, where were u 95% of the game last night?

REFS - F OFF. BARBER'S ELBOW WAS DOWN AND THE BALL DIDNT BREAK THE PLAIN.

AND IM GLAD UR ALL THE SUDDEN ALLOWED 2 BE IN THE NUETRAL ZONE WHEN THE BALL IS SNAPPED AND ITS NOT OFFSIDE... GET A NEW CAREER CUZ UR NOT WORTH THE SHT THAT COMES OUTTA MY ASS IN THE NFL.

READ THE FUCKIN RULE BOOK ROCK HAD THE BALL AND WASNT ON THE GOAL-LINE THAT PLAY IS DEAD AT THAT POINT.

CLINTON WAS OUT-OF BOUNDS THANKS FOR FUCKING UP A POSSIBLE TD DRIVE BEFORE THE HALF.

F'N DISGRACEFUL REFS.


that is all. im frustrated now.

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[quote=GMScud;501805]It's not that we're 6-4 instead of 8-2 or 7-3. It's not even that we've lost two in a row at home in ugly fashion. It's the fact that we had a chance to BURY our archrival with a regular season sweep in front of a home crowd and wasted the opportunity. We gave our hated rival their season back. That to me is just flat out nauseating.[/quote]

Yeah, that's what makes this so hard to take and makes me f**king SICK!

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[quote=skinsfan69;501785]I'm sorry but no one on this site or any smart Redskin fan should bitch about the defense. The offense constantly keeps sending them out on the field yet they ALWAYS keep the game close. They gave up 14 points to a very very good offense. It's painfully clear we can't rush the passer. But Blache and his guys should get more credit. They are doing it with smoke and mirrors.[/quote]

AGREED.

This is not a great defense. It's a good defense that is playing over its head.

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Here's my take on the game..

Linemen (both O and D): just like everybody said, we really need to work on it.. I just hope to death that FO will finally draft some Oline and Dline in first draft day.. We just cannot depend on veterans anymore, we have learned it firsthand last year and this year.. Maybe FO have some kind of learning-disablity or something.. Dline annoys me the most, not even [B]one[/B] sack? Come on, FFS

Play-calling by Zorn: I do not think it's Zorn's fault.. He can't do anything if his players doesn't execute well, especially when O-line isn't protecting JC.. However, I do wonder why he doesn't call shotgun formation often..

Shaun Alexander: I don't get it, why is he in #3 spot? Is Rock really that bad in practice? There is a reason why nobody signed him after he was released.. And we are seeing it firsthand :doh:

DeAngelo Hall: He made a good impression in his first game as Redskins.. If he continues to do well, on and off field and in locker room.. Then this might be great thing for us..

Defense: Defense played great, several hard hits by our secondary.. Until 4th qr, where Barber ran through us.. We simply got manhandled in 4th qr..

Jason Taylor: I'm beginning to going back to my first opinion when we traded for him; he is not worth our 2nd rd pick.. Granted, he was injured and might still be.. But Evans played better than him last night.. I will continue to wait on this one..

Chris Horton: I'm going to keep giving him spotlight, he is going to get a big contract someday.. And I'm so buying his jersey someday.. Yes, he was the one who gave up a TD to a rookie TE.. But it was tight one, Romo threw a good one..

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Regarding Rock - Maybe it takes him 10-15 yds to get up to speed.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;501874]AGREED.

This is not a great defense. It's a good defense that is playing over its head.[/quote]

I know I say this alot, but it's especially true of our defense - the sum is much better than the individual talent of it's parts. They are not great, but if we could find a pass rush, they could become great.

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[B]Casey Rabach and Randy Thomas[/B] - I hate calling out Randy Thomas because he's one of my favorite Redskins, but him and Rabach need to step up. Ratliff was working you guys all game. I think I may jump on the SS bandwagon of dumping the entire o-line this offseason and starting all over.

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Ratliff is really, really good. I mean he flat out beat Jason Ferguson out of a job as a rookie, and god only knows how many sleepless nights Parcells and Jones spent at night dreaming of having Ferguson at nose.

With that said, we went into this game full well knowing that Ratlifff vs. Casey Rabach was a total mismatch, and we still couldn't stop him. Which, given his position on the field, is pretty sad. I think it's safe to assume that Zorn, Smith, and Bugel underestimated his skill, and that won't happen again in the future.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;501874]AGREED.

This is not a great defense. It's a good defense that is playing over its head.[/quote]We won't be a great defense until 1) We develop a consistent pass rush, and 2) LaRon Landry learns how to diagnose route combinations and end up in the right place. We need him to play like a top five safety for this defensive scheme to work, and right now that scheme is not working.

The Cowboys also beat us up on the edge in the EXACT same way that the Patriots did last year. The fact that it took over a year for someone to copy that blueprint against us is frankly astounding.

[SIZE=1](because Dallas has played us four times since that Pats game, and their coaching staff is just full of mental midgets)[/SIZE]

If you are going to run on us, your receivers need to make good blocks, and the Cowboys receivers did yesterday. Of course, they could have called Owens for holding about 5 times, and didn't, but you've still got to be able to overcome that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;501606]6-4, following a 6-2 start, not where we want to be but not a terrible position to be in either. The one thing we knew with Gibbs' teams is he know how to get them to play down the stretch, we don't know that about Zorn. We're playing in a fierce division where every game counts. We're now 2-2 in the division. Credit to the Cowboys for doing what they remarkably failed to do last time these two teams met, put the game in Barber's hands.

Ok, let's get to it

[B]Offensive Line[/B] I wouldn't be surprised to see a near clean sweep of the line starting next year with Geisinger, Rinehart, and Heyer in for Rabach, Kendall, and Jansen. The Cowboys' D Line is good, let's not forget that, but we can't be that bad, can we? What I'm most worried about, and if it is the case then it's actually completely understandable, is that Bugel's heart and mind just aren't on football at all anymore. And without the leadership and guidance he's always offered to the line they seem lost. I think Buges is gone after this season.

[B]Andre Carter[/B] I was your biggest fan on this site, before you even signed with the team and last year you proved me right. But this year? I don't know man, you're just not getting it done.

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Look, I don't want to fall in to this trap everyone else seems to be and forget that you're a rookie NFL head coach. So I want to cut you some slack, but I think maybe you forget you're a rookie head coach and you're trying to fool people when you're only fooling yourself. You've done great things but it also boggles my mind how you operate sometimes. That play on 4th and 4? What was that? First, the decision to even go for it and then the actual playcall? Plus our two minute offense is pretty weak.

All that said, I think I'm starting to understand what your gameplan for year one was, focus on taking Campbell to the next level. I think you've done a good job getting him there, now you have to help him even more by getting other guys up to speed. I'm not going to sit here and call Thomas, Kelly, and Davis busts because obviously they're not. Halfway through their rookie year and people want to call them busts? If they're the same three years from now that's fine but don't call them busts quite yet. However, we need to start getting them more involved.

[B]People who start threads complaining about Sharpe, Marino, etc. having no respect for the team and then that same person saying the game is over with the Redskins down just 4 with nearly 8 minutes left to play[/B] Seriously? You start a whiny thread about how no one loves us and then you give up. Maybe before you start asking others to respect the team, you should too. Let's not forget we've come from behind plenty this year.

[B]Cowboys Fans[/B] Sandtrapjack, etc. Another mod may override me, but I'm telling you right now I don't want to hear from you all week. You didn't have the balls to show up on this site after the first game so don't come gloating now because I will ban you for a week. This is one of those times I will freely flex my mod muscle for my own gain.

[B]Fred Smoot[/B] Lovely tackle early on TO when you flipped him over. After that you look overwhelmed. Are you hurt? Because you and AC look like you're playing at 33 RPM while the rest of the players out there are at 45 RPM (anyone still have vinyl records by the way?)

All in all a tough loss. And now, per my usual ritual, I won't be watching ESPN all week. I never watch ESPN after a loss until we win again. As you can imagine, it's especially challenging for me.[/quote]

Thomas has potential, he just has to grasp the pro game more. Kelly might turn out to be the new Taylor Jacobs. Next season will tell the tale on these guys, but I am not holding my breath as to them making a mojor impact.

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[quote=GTripp0012;501673]The only difference between Carter last year and Carter this year is that those sacks are becoming pressures in which the QB can get rid of the ball. This is because:

1) No pressure from non-Carter DL players allows QBs to slide away from Carter's pressure.

2) Man coverage schemes that allow the Quarterback to pick out where they are going with the ball presnap and throw it there when they feel pressure.

Carter's sack totals are down, but we can't confuse that with him being ineffective. We've gotten a lot of pressure on Quarterbacks and that's mostly his doing. I agree that he did not do a whole lot tonight.[/quote]

Good points on AC. I think he's playing well, the sacks just aren't coming. As you say, you can't confuse the lack of sacks for him being ineffective.