Malcom Kelly speaks...
 

In an interview with Rich Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, Malcom Kelly had this to say about his coming out of OU after his junior year:


"I'm a better player now by leaps and bounds," Kelly said. "I'm doing so many different things. This offense uses me to my abilities. I have a much wider range of routes, and the older guys have taught me the better techniques. I'm running a lot more short routes now, a lot more double moves. They run me across the field.

"In college, I just ran a lot of deep routes. But with the techniques I've picked up, I've learned how to set a guy up. Those are things only the older guys can teach you."


Sounds great. But unless I've counted wrong, he's only been in 4 games this year and has caught 3 passes for a total of 18 yards.

If indeed "this offense uses me to my abilities" as he said, that is not good news for Redskins fans.

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Kelly has had a disastrous rookie season because of injuries but he continues to strike me as a hardworker who gets it. While I don't expect him to be a gamechanging playmaker like Moss it would not surprise me at all to see him make a major impact next year as an in-traffic receiver.

Anyway, I'm sure a lot of receivers in his situation would be pouting and carrying on about how they are being under-utilized. Kelly seems to be relishing the opportunity to learn behind the scenes. If the point of this thread is to bash him for claiming to have gotten better under NFL coaching,well, I don't really see the point in that.

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It's sickening to watch the deep pass go right through his hands and hit him in the chest.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;506706]In an interview with Rich Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, Malcom Kelly had this to say about his coming out of OU after his junior year:


"I'm a better player now by leaps and bounds," Kelly said. "I'm doing so many different things. This offense uses me to my abilities. I have a much wider range of routes, and the older guys have taught me the better techniques. I'm running a lot more short routes now, a lot more double moves. They run me across the field.

"In college, I just ran a lot of deep routes. But with the techniques I've picked up, I've learned how to set a guy up. Those are things only the older guys can teach you."


[B]Sounds great. But unless I've counted wrong, he's only been in 4 games this year and has caught 3 passes for a total of 18 yards.[/B]
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That made me laugh at loud b/c at the same time that was on my mind but its never too early to get a jump on next year. I really do wish we dump ARE and if a stud #1 WR doesn't come along I'm depending on Kelly/Thomas to duke it our for our #2 then.

LOL 3 passes.....He has simple goals.

Maybe the guys should show Smoot what to expect when he gets set up first drive of the game or maybe on 3rd downs.

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Thomas and Kelly need to be on the field now. This WC passing game featuring short quick slants needs bigger WR's and ARE is a slower version of Moss and Thrash's hands and speed are gone from playing ST's.

They need more plays to get more looks in ordre to make more of an impact. Throwing to each once or twice a game is not going to cut it.

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In a sense I find the article positive because Kelly is speaking in a positive fashion across the board i.e. his attitude seems to be in line. Why then has he struggled to be effective on the field (I understand the injuries but I'm talking about when he plays)? Considering that both WR rooks struggle enormously to run precise routes and get open, and to boot that even our vets struggle off and on to get open, I keep concluding that Stan Hixon is doing a poor job w/ these guys. Dropped passes, poor route running, and the list goes on...

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[quote=The Goat;506728]In a sense I find the article positive because Kelly is speaking in a positive fashion across the board i.e. his attitude seems to be in line. Why then has he struggled to be effective on the field (I understand the injuries but I'm talking about when he plays)? Considering that both WR rooks struggle enormously to run precise routes and get open, and to boot that even our vets struggle off and on to get open, I keep concluding that Stan Hixon is doing a poor job w/ these guys. Dropped passes, poor route running, and the list goes on...[/quote]


I would agree there.

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[quote=The Goat;506728]In a sense I find the article positive because Kelly is speaking in a positive fashion across the board i.e. his attitude seems to be in line. Why then has he struggled to be effective on the field (I understand the injuries but I'm talking about when he plays)? [B]Considering that both WR rooks struggle enormously to run precise routes and get open, and to boot that even our vets struggle off and on to get open, I keep concluding that Stan Hixon is doing a poor job w/ these guys. Dropped passes, poor route running, and the list goes on...[/quote][/B]
This is something that should definitely be looked at.

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[quote=The Goat;506728]In a sense I find the article positive because Kelly is speaking in a positive fashion across the board i.e. his attitude seems to be in line. Why then has he struggled to be effective on the field (I understand the injuries but I'm talking about when he plays)? Considering that both WR rooks struggle enormously to run precise routes and get open, and to boot that even our vets struggle off and on to get open, I keep concluding that Stan Hixon is doing a poor job w/ these guys. Dropped passes, poor route running, and the list goes on...[/quote]


Thank You! I have preached the dump Stan Hixon for 2 years now and finally I see someone thinking the way I am. Everytime I mentioned getting rid of him people seemed to ignore my posts. lol. I'm sure he was an expert at the college level but no different then Spurrier he has not been able to carry it over to the NFL. Why he is even on the team still baffles me. I hope they get a genuine NFL WR coach next year. Someone who will coach seperation and route running at the NFL level.

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[quote=SBXVII;506781]Thank You! I have preached the dump Stan Hixon for 2 years now and finally I see someone thinking the way I am. Everytime I mentioned getting rid of him people seemed to ignore my posts. lol. I'm sure he was an expert at the college level but no different then Spurrier he has not been able to carry it over to the NFL. Why he is even on the team still baffles me. I hope they get a genuine NFL WR coach next year. Someone who will coach seperation and route running at the NFL level.[/quote]

That would be my vote too.

Our Passing Offense is like a full moon, only a FEW times each year.

I'm starting to think the only time we do establish a passing attack is b/c the other teams Def. Cordinator simply didn't expect us to be smart enough to make the call.

I am not impressed with this years lack of concentration with our receivers.

We need WR's for this Zorn Coast offense. We need need 1-2 more athletic run/pass blockers for the OLine, then, Campbell should have the cast that he needs.

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[quote=SBXVII;506781]Thank You! I have preached the dump Stan Hixon for 2 years now and finally I see someone thinking the way I am. Everytime I mentioned getting rid of him people seemed to ignore my posts. lol. I'm sure he was an expert at the college level but no different then Spurrier he has not been able to carry it over to the NFL. Why he is even on the team still baffles me. I hope they get a genuine NFL WR coach next year. Someone who will coach seperation and route running at the NFL level.[/quote]

I feel ya dog.

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[quote=SmootSmack;506844]I feel ya dog.

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I read that post, and it occurred to me that we changed Lazor, and Byner, and both positions seemed to have taken a step up, but we kept Hixon, and WR's still seem to struggle. It just seems like an obvious call to make, so my question is why hasn't it? What is it that we as fans are not seeing that solid NFL coaches (Gibbs, Saunders, Zorn) all see in Hixon to keep him at the possible expense of the team?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;506848]I read that post, and it occurred to me that we changed Lazor, and Byner, and both positions seemed to have taken a step up, but we kept Hixon, and WR's still seem to struggle. It just seems like an obvious call to make, so my question is why hasn't it? [B]What is it that we as fans are not seeing that solid NFL coaches (Gibbs, Saunders, Zorn) all see in Hixon to keep him at the possible expense of the team[/B]?[/quote]

Maybe he's simply not the problem?

Or are the fans watching from the stands and TV 3 hours on Sundays just so much more aware of what's going on 24/7 behind the scenes at Redskins Park?

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[quote=Mattyk72;506860]Maybe he's simply not the problem?

Or are the fans watching from the stands and TV 3 hours on Sundays just so much more aware of what's going on 24/7 behind the scenes at Redskins Park?[/quote]

I think everyone including Ray Charles can see the job isn't getting done. It doesn't matter where you get your perspective... if you look at the product on the field we haven't had good wideout production (with the exception of moss) in a long time.

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;506861]I think everyone including Ray Charles can see the job isn't getting done. [B]It doesn't matter where you get your perspective[/B]... if you look at the product on the field we haven't had good wideout production (with the exception of moss) in a long time.[/quote]

If 3 coaches now have kept him employed with the team, I'm just tossing out the wacky idea that maybe he's not the main problem. Crazy, I know.

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Well, the one thing I always found somewhat interesting is that up until this year the team didn't really focus much on young wide receivers, instead they went after veterans (Patten, Moss, ARE, Lloyd, Dyson, Caldwell, etc.) and I was never quite sure if that's an indictment on their faith in Hixon to develop young talent.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see Hixon go next year, if for no other reason than I'm sure Zorn is going to slowly want to get his guys in here. For all I know, Hixon has become one of his guys though.

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People just want a fall guy to take the blame for 4 WRs on our roster having disappointing seasons.

It's not that people are unwilling to admit that the underachieving is the fault of the men who brought them in or *gasp* the players themselves, but that they'd rather not admit it if they can tidy it up and be all "look we're okay because Stan Hixon was the problem all along."

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I'm sure there is shared blame for our WR woes.

The rooks need time to learn the pro game before they can be integral members of the offense (a few rookie wr's have been productive, but that is more the exception than the rule).

The coach can't teach the athleticism (which Moss and Thomas have displayed..see 29 yard TD run vs the NY football Giants). What they can harp on is the little things (finish running your route, even when you don't think the ball is coming your way SM, catch with your hands, not your body, KNOW WHERE THE FIRST DOWN MARKER IS, etc).

These have been recurring problems and either the players are not coachable and need to be replaced, or the coaches are not coaching at a high level.

I don't think JC will ever be an elite QB, but if his wr's would concentrate and catch the 3rd down balls, find the sticks, etc, he can be a QB that a team can win a championship with.

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[quote=GTripp0012;506878][B]People just want a fall guy[/B] to take the blame for 4 WRs on our roster having disappointing seasons.

It's not that people are unwilling to admit that the underachieving is the fault of the men who brought them in or *gasp* the players themselves, but that they'd rather not admit it if they can tidy it up and be all "look we're okay because Stan Hixon was the problem all along."[/quote]

I don't think that's what I am saying, but I am wondering, based purely on the on-field play, if we could benefit from a different coach. I think it is a fair statement that our WR's have underperformed expectations for the past several years. It may go back before Hixon's time. I don't know. I simply asked if someone with more knowledge of Redskins staff could say what it is that these 3 coaches, who I absolutely respect, think about Hixon's job performance.
Also, in Kelly's interview it is interesting that he says he's learned from the other receivers, but (from the snippet posted here) did not mention Hixon. I don't remember ever hearing people just out and out praise Hixon, or bash him, he just seems to be there on staff.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506863]If 3 coaches now have kept him employed with the team, I'm just tossing out the wacky idea that maybe he's not the main problem. Crazy, I know.[/quote]

And I was simply asking the question: what is it that he does so well that impressed them?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;506891]I don't think that's what I am saying, but I am wondering, based purely on the on-field play, if we could benefit from a different coach. I think it is a fair statement that our WR's have underperformed expectations for the past several years. It may go back before Hixon's time. I don't know. I simply asked if someone with more knowledge of Redskins staff could say what it is that these 3 coaches, who I absolutely respect, think about Hixon's job performance.
Also, in Kelly's interview it is interesting that he says he's learned from the other receivers, but (from the snippet posted here) did not mention Hixon. I don't remember ever hearing people just out and out praise Hixon, or bash him, he just seems to be there on staff.[/quote]It's certainly open to debate, but I just don't see it. I'm not sure what he could possibly change to make people catch the ball, and run sharper routes. Even if he's doing a less than stellar job, I can't remember the last time that changing a position coach greatly improved a unit overnight.

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I dont think kelly is the problem..if you ask me are and thrash have far more dissapointing seasons than the rookies. If they dont impact next year however we can let the malcolm and devin thomas bashing commence

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[quote=SBXVII;506781]Thank You! I have preached the dump Stan Hixon for 2 years now and finally I see someone thinking the way I am. Everytime I mentioned getting rid of him people seemed to ignore my posts. lol. I'm sure he was an expert at the college level but no different then Spurrier he has not been able to carry it over to the NFL. Why he is even on the team still baffles me. I hope they get a genuine NFL WR coach next year. Someone who will coach seperation and route running at the NFL level.[/quote]

^^ a few years ago i was calling for secondary coach gray's head when we were getting torched by the long ball and now the guy looks like he might be plucked for a d coordinator position this offseason . . . i guess im a lil hesitant to place blame on a positions coach nowadays, especialy since the media gives us so little insight to what they actually do.

go skins!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;506860]Maybe he's simply not the problem?

Or are the fans watching from the stands and TV 3 hours on Sundays just so much more aware of what's going on 24/7 behind the scenes at Redskins Park?[/quote]

Stan....hey, way to divert the attention. :) .........just kidding.

You guys are right you can't teach how to hold on to the ball...but you can teach [B]how[/B] to catch it. He can teach how to get seperation from a CB which our WR can't seem to figure out. He can teach [B]route running[/B] meaning little tricks to shake or throw off the CB in order to get (again) seperation in order to be able to catch the ball. The only pass I have seen all year where a WR was free and clear in the open was Thomas's catch that got called back cause of a penalty.
I also will say ARE was a half decent WR in Pitt and can't catch a cold here. He keeps dropping balls. I might give you tha fact that ARE should not be running the #2 WR routes but should be running the #3 WR routes so yes he may be having a more difficult time cause the team is not utilizing him as Pitt did. but we keep hearing how Kelly and Thomas are having mental break downs or are not getting it. I blame the coach for that. It's his job to make sure the receivers get it.

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We traded for Moss cause he was doing so well in NJ. He comes here and yes he is our best WR but he catch's maybe one or two bombs a game. Perhaps it's cause other teams game plan around him and double him.
ARE was supposed to take our team to the next level and has not.
Thrash did ok in his first stint with us and did pretty well in Philli. When he came back he has not done a whole lot. Don't tell me others are better then him.
Lloyd...he was supposed to take us to the next level as ARE. He was doing pretty good in Chicago at the beggining of the season.
Am I missing someone?...other then Kelly and Thomas? I understand Kelly was injured and Thomas was raw. I would think the Vets should know how to do their job they just need to keep practicing it. That means Hixon could focus his attention on the rookies teaching route running and catching as well as getting them into football shape.

I almost forgot.....the WR we traded for Moss did well in NJ, came to us and did mediocre, went back to NJ and has done well putting up the yrds. Now who is to blame for that? Head coach? Position coach?

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I like Kelly's attitude at this point in the season. Not much production but then he's been hurt for most of the season. That drop he had in the Giants game was just heartbreaking.

If he can become a real factor on the field he will have a future here. However, with the aging of our WR group he's got to step up BIG next season or they'll bring in other solutions.

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Gun charge aside I keep getting the feeling that should he stay relatively healthy he'll end up having a similar career to Plaxico Burress. In other words a few really good 1,000+ yard seasons combined with a few 500+ yard seasons. Of course I keep on wishing that the Larry Fitzgerald comparisons from his nfl.com draft profile come to fruition.

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Malcolm Kelly must be smoking some bad granola.

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i love kellys ability and skills....the problem is, results. i think the world of this guys talent and size much like another guy who everyone is giving a pass to right now because he is a young qb, but he needs to make plays and without excuses....players make plays no matter whos around them, just more when there is more talent around them. i think malcom kelly and devin thomas will have to be used more down the stretch and i am almost positive that we will use them more.....sometimes whiley qbs are known to hold thier cards until they really need them. hopefully our boy 17 will deliever as well.

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[quote=SBXVII;506953]We traded for Moss cause he was doing so well in NJ. He comes here and yes he is our best WR but he catch's maybe one or two bombs a game. Perhaps it's cause other teams game plan around him and double him.
ARE was supposed to take our team to the next level and has not.
Thrash did ok in his first stint with us and did pretty well in Philli. When he came back he has not done a whole lot. Don't tell me others are better then him.
Lloyd...he was supposed to take us to the next level as ARE. He was doing pretty good in Chicago at the beggining of the season.
Am I missing someone?...other then Kelly and Thomas? I understand Kelly was injured and Thomas was raw. I would think the Vets should know how to do their job they just need to keep practicing it. That means Hixon could focus his attention on the rookies teaching route running and catching as well as getting them into football shape.

I almost forgot.....the WR we traded for Moss did well in NJ, came to us and did mediocre, went back to NJ and has done well putting up the yrds. Now who is to blame for that? Head coach? Position coach?[/quote]

Up until the Giants game I do not recall any conversation about our players dropping a bunch of balls. I do remember that conversation last year but all of a sudden after a game where just about all our WR's dropped a ball its now a big assue.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;507026]i love kellys ability and skills....the problem is, results. i think the world of this guys talent and size much like another guy who everyone is giving a pass to right now because he is a young qb, but he needs to make plays and without excuses....players make plays no matter whos around them, just more when there is more talent around them. i think malcom kelly and devin thomas will have to be used more down the stretch and i am almost positive that we will use them more....[B].sometimes whiley qbs are known to hold thier cards until they really need them[/B]. hopefully our boy 17 will deliever as well.[/quote]

Ok, that point was the Giants game, and we saw one shot (the reverse). No more holding cards at this point. We need every game now.

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Given that all the WRs (but Santana) are struggling, it's hard to pin this on Kelley and calling him a bust. Maybe it's Hixon, but I doubt it. Most likely it's the fact that the offense is not in synch yet, meaning they WRs are not running the precise routes and perhaps more important, JC is not letting the ball go early enough to hit things in rhythm. My guess is that this takes time. Given the precise nature of Zorn's passing game, it's not so surprising to me. When we face teams with serious front 7s, we struggle. There is NO extra time to let JC wait for a WR to clear, to let a WR adjust to press or zone, or whatever. Until those things are automatic, we're going to struggle.

Another point. I wonder (and this has been mentioned elsewhere) if Buge's run game is hurting the pass game. The "mid-West coast" hybrid may be tipping off the Ds and taking things away from Zorn's planned WC O. Now, I think Zorn was quite right to keep the Buge's run game this year, but I wonder what he'll do for next year?

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[quote=Mr.Redskin;506827]That would be my vote too.

Our Passing Offense is like a full moon, only a FEW times each year.

I'm starting to think the only time we do establish a passing attack is b/c the other teams Def. Cordinator simply didn't expect us to be smart enough to make the call.

I am not impressed with this years lack of concentration with our receivers.

We need WR's for this Zorn Coast offense. We need need 1-2 more athletic run/pass blockers for the OLine, then, Campbell should have the cast that he needs.[/quote]
you might mean a blue moon heh

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[quote=tryfuhl;507135]you might mean a blue moon heh[/quote]

Ouch, truth does hurt.

More disturbing locusts can come and go we still would be without a another shiny Lombardi for the pressers. Can Platinum get rusty????????????

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Wow...the impatience is amazing. People don't understand that the Randy Mosses of the world are few and far between. Generally a receiver takes until about his third year before becoming an impact player. Even the guys who came out of the gate pretty quickly this year have tapered off.

Redskins fans need to be patient with these guys. The same goes for Campbell and Zorn. These moves weren't made to go to the Super Bowl this year. It was about building a foundation and I think that they've done a good job of building a strong one so far.

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I thought the article gave good insight as to how Kelly is going about learning from the guys who have been around a few years. He has been hurt but it sounds like when he has been able to get on the practice field he is trying to make the most out of it and realizes there is allot to be learned from these vets.

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In general, I am so tired of hearing how good our WR's look in practice and then fail to produce in games.

Taylor Jacobs anyone?
Scott Cloman
Mike Espy
Antonio Brown

And the myriad of others who I am too sickened to mention.

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Impatience... thy name is Skins nation.

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WRs coming out their junior years tend to suck, and it can take them a couple years to make up for that missed senior season (whole new scheme, moving themselves/family, meeting new people, learning the new area, etc) and they don't get much actual playing time to focus on refining the details and techniques to polish themselves for NFL work like they would if they stayed back a year.

I know financially it's not always in their best interest (what if they get hurt? new coach? bad year?), but as a fan of a NFL team, it'd most definitely be better for me.