Redskins vs. Ravens pre-game thread
 

Alright time to move on from the insanity of the QB controversy talk and get back to the games. Still 4 games to go and the Skins aren't dead yet.

Discuss the upcoming game here, make your predictions, etc.

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All I want is a 1 point lead when the gun goes off. No, that is not Plax's gun but the Ref's ending the game. Zorn just needs to find a way to beat the rush and make them pay for stacking the box then we can get CP moving the ball. I say we start the game passing until we get something going. For get trying to run from the start but after we connect on a few passes then start to work the run into the game plan. I don't care if we go 3 and out a few times trying to pass but keep trying until we can move the ball.

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basiclly...i just wanna see offense. I know Ed Reed is a little banged up, he was having trouble getting to receivers/ballcarries last week, but this is the same guy that can ruin our day so i dont know how important that is.
Were def commin up with a couple INTs against Flacco. I like the way our CBs have been playing..especially early in the game when theyre not worn out and tired because theyve been on the field all day (exeption last week). Theyre run game is hardly impressive. Our Run Game (especially with CP so iffy these days) is in question if we cant pass...more like in deep shit. This week we need to pass til we can run.
..well here goes......
SKINS 16
RAVENS 10

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I think the Ravens D is just as good as the Giants and this week's result will be the same as last week.

Ravens 27
Redskins 0

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Nice, glad to see irish on board...

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I'll make a prediction since I haven't the last four games.

Skins 16
Ravens 13

We need to win turnovers battle, because if we lose that then it's donezo.

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In a super, ultra boring game, our defense scores the only touchdown.

Skins 10, Ravens 7.

If we can't stop the run, we lose 20, 10.

Something tells me Jason Taylor plays his best game of the season this Sunday and comes up with 2 sacks.

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what we still have a chance, the way people were talking i thought that the draft was next week

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Redskins 21
Ravens 14

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Something about Ole Flaco scares me, but we'll work out of this slump this week and pull away with another close one.

Skins 21
Ravens 20

I would like to make another prediction also.....

Suisham get no attempted FG's and Thrash stays on ST's!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;507173]what we still have a chance, the way people were talking i thought that the draft was next week[/quote]

Sometimes it feels that way. Referencing the other thread, I definitely think that the 6-2 start made me expectations unreasonably high. I was like, "PLAYOFFS BABY, MAYBE EVEN SUPER BOWL RUN" and then in true Redskins fashion, we get shot back down to Earth.

What bothers me is that week in and week out, the Redskins live to shorter my life expectancy due to heart attack. I've never seen a team so inconsistent over the past few years. Sure, we've had some playoff runs, but it's SO frustrating to not field a team in the past 4-5 years that will straight up blow a crappy team out.

Many teams we are the favorite and have been playing dominant football. It isn't the personnel, it isn't the coaching, it's just the way it goes and that's what depresses me the most.

All this being said, I'm willing to be patient with Zorn for at least 3 more years as long as we see progression. Of course everyone wants to win now, but sometimes that just won't happen. This year won't be our year (just being realistic) and I think that right now we're at a definite crossroads. We have a great nucleus of some young players and established stars that we can either build through the draft and a few shrewd FA moves OR we can totally screw it up and then be in rebuilding mode for the next few years.

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I have no idea how we can even be competitive in this game.

Skins 10-28 Ravens

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Please please please win this game at least for all the Baltimore Redskin fans. My life will be hell if we lose this game. It is all I want for Xmas this year! I would even give up the playoffs for this win.

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[quote=Skins4L;507165]basiclly...i just wanna see offense. I know Ed Reed is a little banged up, he was having trouble getting to receivers/ballcarries last week, but this is the same guy that can ruin our day so i dont know how important that is.
Were def commin up with a couple INTs against Flacco. I like the way our CBs have been playing..especially early in the game when theyre not worn out and tired because theyve been on the field all day (exeption last week). [B]Theyre run game is hardly impressive[/B]. Our Run Game (especially with CP so iffy these days) is in question if we cant pass...more like in deep shit.
..well here goes......
SKINS 16
RAVENS 10[/quote]
Actually their Rush/game is 3rd, ours is 5th. They also, like the Giants, have figured how to score. The Redskins need to win, just so I have peace at work though! Hope that is enough motivation for them.
Think it comes down to Suisham's night.

Skins 19
Ravens 17

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[quote=hooskins;507168]Nice, glad to see irish on board...[/quote]

It took a trick type play for the Skins to get their only TD last week and I just dont believe that the Ravens will let that happen. The Skins just dont score points (on O, D, or not-so-special teams) and that makes it hard to win.

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[quote=irish;507180]It took a trick type play for the Skins to get their only TD last week and I just dont believe that the Ravens will let that happen. The Skins just dont score points (on O, D, or not-so-special teams) and that makes it hard to win.[/quote]
I understand where we may score very few points. but what I don't get is why the Ravens would score more than 20 when our D has shown the ability to hold most every team to below 20. (i know a few have, but the Ravens arent in that caliber yet)

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Record of teams the Ravens have beat this year = 26-44-2 (and they played the Bungles and Browns twice!!!!)

Redskins offense = 13th Ravens offense = 19th

Redskins D = 6th Ravens D = 2nd

I don't understand why everyone is so high on the Ravens and down on the Skins... they are very evenly matched and our Skins play in a much tougher division.

Skins will win 13-10

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;507181]I understand where we may score very few points. but what I don't get is why the Ravens would score more than 20 when our D has shown the ability to hold most every team to below 20. (i know a few have, but the Ravens arent in that caliber yet)[/quote]

You are correct, the Skins D gives up 18.5 points per game. Unfortunately the Raves D gives up 15.8 points per game.

The Skins O scores 17.3 points per game and the Ravens get 24.3.

No matter how you cut it the numbers dont add up for the Skins.

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Look who the Ravens play bud, strength of schedule.

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We both share one common theme, neither of us have beaten the elites. I think we are the 2 top non elite teams this year and this game will be a bruiser for sure. (PS the Ravens haven't beaten a top 10 defense this year.)

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[quote=maroonandblack30;507184]Record of teams the Ravens have beat this year = 26-44-2 (and they played the Bungles and Browns twice!!!!)

Redskins offense = 13th Ravens offense = 19th

Redskins D = 6th Ravens D = 2nd

I don't understand why everyone is so high on the Ravens and down on the Skins... they are very evenly matched and our Skins play in a much tougher division.

Skins will win 13-10[/quote]

good point.

Living in bmore i started to follow the ravens and they are a solid D team with much of the same offensive struggles we have. flacco is decent/serviceable but harbaugh and the coaching staff have really called conservative games keeping the handcuffs on flac to allow their D to win games and give the O good starting position. One thing about flac that has brought a new wrinkle to their O is that the guy can move around and run for 15 if he has to. Heap has been nonexistent and has shown some signs of life lately but the talk radio is talking about cutting him next year (not worth elite TE money).

kevin gregg their do all guy in the middle is injured but this young guy (barron barrett?) has stepped up well in a vital role for their D in allowing ray and others get to the ball carrier.

running game is in shambles, mcgahee is likely gone next year, fb mcclein is a sellers jr. rice has limited to looks.

clayton is starting to break out after hes been labeled a bust as a 1st rd wr.

^^^ all this said means the ravens D must show up (which they normally do) and their O must continue to make just enough plays. Sounds alot like us; D must play solid and inconsistent flat O must show up to make some plays.

We have a chance, this is not the giants, steelers or even the cowboys; we match up well against them and hopefully zorn and co have seen enough of this outside running and blitzing weve seen over the past 5 games to finally gameplan and adjust.

I really like our chances.

go skins!!!

really flac's ability to scramble and improvise on 3rd and longs were we have them covered really scares me. he can keep plays alive.

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Well, even though I was pissed about the Giants loss I have to admit I had them losing it anyway with 6 games left. I had two losses 1 being the Giants and 2 being the Ravens. I figured that we needed to go 4-2 in the end. So since we also lost to Dallas this game means more. Our 2 losses were Dallas and Giants. Now we need to win out.
Matty...you say were not dead yet. I totally want to agree with you but we also are not alive. I think the team is somewhere in the Zombie stage. Good enough to be able to win games but also bad enough to lose them. They honestly look lackadasicle.(sp) <-That, a play off team does not make. Again, I keep hoping some how some where the team gets their crap together and hit on all cylinders putting up a high score that we should hit one of these days. but I think they got nothing.

So....If we can keep the Ravens to below 14 points...we win, we can't we lose.

Skins 17
Ravens 24

I know, I know, but I'm tired of predicting the Skins to blow one out and they not so I'm trying a different tactic knowing full well the Skins look at this board and will get pissed the fans don't have their back and pull one out. LOL.

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[quote=hooskins;507189]Look who the Ravens play bud, strength of schedule.[/quote]

Actually when I look at it, outside of the division schedule the Skins schedule hasnt been super tough. The Skins have played the Rams, Browns, Lions, & Seattle (Cinn & SF yet to come). Thats almost 50% of the schedule being really bad teams. The rest of the way the Skins opponents are .491 and the Ravens is .500. IMO, both teams schedules are about equal.

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Skins have WAY more quality wins than the Ravens. 4-0 against Bengals and browns...thats half their wins against 2 teams with a combined record of 5-18-1!!! A bit over-hyped IMO.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;507200]Skins have WAY more quality wins than the Ravens. 4-0 against Bengals and browns...thats half their wins against 2 teams with a combined record of 5-18-1!!! A bit over-hyped IMO.[/quote]

WAY more quality wins? 3 of the Skins 7 wins (Clev, Det, Seat) come against teams with a record of 6-30. Lets not mention the loss to the 2-10 Rams. I guess I'm wondering what quality teams you think the Skins have beaten. The only one I see is Dallas.

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Just a gut feeling, some how, some way, the Skins pull out the W.

17-13

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[quote=irish;507180]It took a trick type play for the Skins to get their only TD last week and I just dont believe that the Ravens will let that happen. The Skins just dont score points (on O, D, or not-so-special teams) and that makes it hard to win.[/quote]

Why is it that you only appear to dump on the team? I have no problem with fair criticism, in fact I encourage it. But, to do nothing but attack the team gets so old. Do you talk like this about everyone and everything you love?

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[quote]WAY more quality wins? 3 of the Skins 7 wins (Clev, Det, Seat) come against teams with a record of 6-30. Lets not mention the loss to the 2-10 Rams. I guess I'm wondering what quality teams you think the Skins have beaten. The only one I see is Dallas.[/quote]


Irish, don't let facts get in the way here. This is a weekly thread where people put on their rose colored glasses, sip some kool-aid, and predict a Redskins victory, usually with some outrageously high score in the 30+ points range.

While I would love to see a victory, the skins on the road in Balmer against a very tough D, I predict loss #6 17-7.

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This is going to be one boring game. Frankly, I'm just praying that we get out of M&T without any new injuries. The defense does their part, but the offense falters as the Ravens demolish the Redskins Oline.

Ravens 17, Redskins 10

PS - Portis gets hit in the backfield repeatedly and Jason gets sacked at least 4 times within 2 seconds of snapping the ball, yet the same ole' unfair attacks will be launched against Portis and Jason.

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[quote=RiggoDrill;507210]Irish, don't let facts get in the way here. This is a weekly thread where people put on their rose colored glasses, sip some kool-aid, and predict a Redskins victory, usually with some outrageously high score in the 30+ points range.

While I would love to see a victory, the skins on the road in Balmer against a very tough D, I predict loss #6 17-7.[/quote]

You do realize you're on site for Redskins fans, right? Of course people want and hope that the Redskins do well. That hope usually affects predictions. I look at the Skins the same way I will look at my kids. I see their potential and hope and expect that they will realize it. But, I suppose that is somehow inferior to the "My kid is a total idiot and he's going to fail" mentality that you, Irish, and others seem to have adopted. If you think that mentality is somehow superior to the B&G colored glasses crowd, think again. While many fans are overly optimistic, the contrarians among us are overly pessimistic. Only recognizing the bad doesn't make you more objective, it just makes you ....


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[quote=RiggoDrill;507210]Irish, don't let facts get in the way here. This is a weekly thread where people put on their rose colored glasses, sip some kool-aid, and predict a Redskins victory, usually with some outrageously high score in the 30+ points range.

While I would love to see a victory, the skins on the road in Balmer against a very tough D, I predict loss #6 17-7.[/quote]

Thanks for the reality check. Its too bad that today's notion of being a fan is somebody that has to ignore the facts and say rah-rah no matter what.

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[quote=irish;507205]WAY more quality wins? 3 of the Skins 7 wins (Clev, Det, Seat) come against teams with a record of 6-30. Lets not mention the loss to the 2-10 Rams. I guess I'm wondering what quality teams you think the Skins have beaten. The only one I see is Dallas.[/quote]


First 4 wins of the season were against teams with AT LEAST .500 records.... thats 4 more than the Ravens.... I guess it boils down to what you consider quality.

Not saying the Skins are great just that they have actually beaten decent teams. Can't say the same for the Ravens.

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[quote=irish;507214]Thanks for the reality check. Its too bad that today's notion of being a fan is somebody that has to ignore the facts and say rah-rah no matter what.[/quote]

What facts are being ignored?

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I think we lose this one 17-6. Too much defense for the offense to handle.

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[quote=RiggoDrill;507210]Irish, don't let facts get in the way here. This is a weekly thread where people put on their rose colored glasses, sip some kool-aid, and predict a Redskins victory, usually with some outrageously high score in the 30+ points range.

While I would love to see a victory, the skins on the road in Balmer against a very tough D, I predict loss #6 17-7.[/quote]

read my post.... I said the Skins and Ravens are EVENLY matched. I'm just somewhat baffled by all the "fans" that want to swing from B-mores nuts.

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I think it will be a really close game that could come down to overtime, after that...who knows

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I think there are plenty of realistic predictions each week. Sure there are some homer predictions, just as there are some doom and gloom ones as well. Guess it depends on what side you lean to more as to which ones you focus in on.

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For some reason (what that reason is, I don't know), I believe we start to turn things around this weekend.

I don't think a rookie QB is good enough to pick apart our secondary (first rookie signal caller we've faced all year), and their running game doesn't scare me one bit. I think our defense will have an outstanding performance.

Offensively, I think Zorn needs to pace his playcalling differently. Trying to slow things down and grind the running game plays right into Baltimore's strengths and will find us facing tons of 3-and-outs. Find creative ways to get the ball in the hands of our playmakers (a la the Devin Thomas reverse against the Giants). Most of all, I'd really like to see a little shotgun this week. Let it all hang out, Coach Z.

Redskins- 17
Ravens- 13

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[quote=maroonandblack30;507216]First 4 wins of the season were against teams with AT LEAST .500 records.... thats 4 more than the Ravens.... I guess it boils down to what you consider quality.

Not saying the Skins are great just that they have actually beaten decent teams. Can't say the same for the Ravens.[/quote]

The only decent teams the Ravens have beat is Phil & Miami. Thats nothing to get excited about. The Skins have beaten more decent teams than Balt.

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[quote=irish;507205]WAY more quality wins? 3 of the Skins 7 wins (Clev, Det, Seat) come against teams with a record of 6-30. Lets not mention the loss to the 2-10 Rams. I guess I'm wondering what quality teams you think the Skins have beaten. The only one I see is Dallas.[/quote]

Well, now you're just being obtuse.

Philly has its probs but beating Philly in Philly is a quality win. Particularly when it comes right after a road win in Dallas. New Orleans was a quality win (certainly as equal in quality as Miami for the Ravens, see below). Arizona was a quality win.

Baltimore beat Philly and Miami. Other than that it was Cinci (2), Cleveland (2), Houston and Oakland - No Arizona or Dallas equivalents.

Baltimore has lost to NY Giants, Tennessee, Indianapolis and Pittsburg. So no, they don't have a St. Louis Rams type loss on their schedule. Other than St. Louis, however, our losses are Dallas, Pitt, and the NYG's (2).

All in all, w/o breaking it down further, we have beaten slightly better teams then they have beaten and, other than St. Louis, lost to teams of similar caliber.

Not sure the two teams are, as CRedskins said, the top two non-elite teams of the league - 'cause I'm not sure how limited "elite" is. I think both teams are clearly second tier teams in the same class as Dallas, Atlanta & Patriots and slighty ahead of teams like Arizona, Miami, Denver & Minnesota (the other 7-5 teams). Certainly we have the capability to beat any of those teams, but only if the offense recaptures its early season success.

Which leads me to my prediction: two tough defenses - but their offense has been making strides while ours has stalled:

Baltimore 21
Skins 10

You don't know how much it hurts to say that. My Baltimore coworkers will NEVER let me hear the end of it.