WTF??DeAngelo hall continues to get dumped on.....
 

Maybe it seems a bad titile for the thread, but i have always been a supporter of bringing in D. Hall. Dude is a beast, anyways redskins.com is listing him as having 6 INT's on the year. Thats only 1 behinf polamolu the leage leader, yet on NFL.com it only shows him for the 2 he recorded in the 3 games he played with us? How do we get this injustice fixed Matty? Just goes to show how [B]UN[/B] "washed up" he really is

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What are the chances we sign him to a long term contract next year?

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I wish I had this on my clipboard permanently so I could just paste it...who cares!

It's just an error, and hall isn't all that great he still gets burned in coverage, but he gets a pick once in a while

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Strange to say but I think it benefits the B & G if "everyone" else thinks he's not all that.

My sense is Hall gets a contract w/ us. He's home and I'd bet money things are "working" better for him than ever before because of the many, many high character guys we have in our locker room and indeed just the overall quality of the team. Maybe Hall is the type of guy that loses control of himself w/o solid, high character vets surrounding him... well, our locker room is pretty well guaranteed to be full of 'em for at least a few more years to come. Good situation for Hall - I really bet he wants to stay and gets to. Great friggin move by the FO on this guy, although I'm not sure it completely redeems the J. Taylor bust.

(I say Taylor's a bust hoping and praying he plays out of his f'ing mind Sunday night. Even one huge game where he is the game-changer is enough for me.)

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[quote=hooskins;507640]I wish I had this on my clipboard permanently so I could just paste it...who cares!

It's just an error, and hall isn't all that great he still gets burned in coverage, but he gets a pick once in a while[/quote]


yea, we could always bring back archeleta if that make you feel better, get outta here, anyone will get burned in that oakland defense, D has came here and got us two picks, name a starting CB for washington that has done that in 3 games or less........yea, so to answer on member questions, D-hall should be on our longterm plan, cut smoot, cut springs....and lets get him across from rogers, that is a pretty good tandem, get a monster like hanyesworth up the middle with our speed DE.........top 5

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Did you not watch the game? Picks are great and I love Dhall for them but he got burned ATLEAST 4 times. And his pick wasn't anything brilliant either, it was a bad throw.

Is he better than Smoot? Sure, but not Springs or even close to Rogers.

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we need a 3-4 d.... with those corners and taylor and carter on the ends would spell touble for alot of teams offenses. dump washington and rocky and fletcher in the middle.

we need to draft a stout NT.

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He's an assest to the team and thats the bottomline.....he catches picks that can turn games around and kill momentum. So he gives up 6 and 7 yard passes here and there but he eliminates the deep threats and makes a qb pay when they make a mistake. Rogers has been known to drop game changing int's and Springs has been battling injuries. Not to mention if given a chance he would probably be one of the most deadly punt returners in the league. Sign him for 3 more years!!

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[quote=hooskins;507646]Did you not watch the game? Picks are great and I love Dhall for them but he got burned ATLEAST 4 times. And his pick wasn't anything brilliant either, it was a bad throw.

[B]Is he better than Smoot? Sure, but not Springs or even close to Rogers.[/B][/quote]

Well that's the whole point. Rogers and Springs are #1 and #2, we're not looking to replace them, but we are need of an upgrade from Smoot. Thus Hall is not good, but he is good enough.

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D-Hall needs to stay in Washington next year...Bottom Line, if you think different...well f~k what u think. We could definetly use the same depth we have this year next year. Rogers, Springs, D-Hall, Smoot=Great CB Depth...geez....if only we had A LITTLE Pash Rush youd see how valuable they are.

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[quote=hooskins;507646]Did you not watch the game? Picks are great and I love Dhall for them but he got burned ATLEAST 4 times. And his pick wasn't anything brilliant either, it was a bad throw.

Is he better than Smoot? Sure, but not Springs or even close to Rogers.[/quote]

having springs and rogers on one team is solid enough, you want champ bailey on it or aso? d hall is the best 3 or 4 in the league probably

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DeAngelo has been an upgrade to the rotation of CBs we have going. He's not going to replace Shawn Springs or Carlos Rogers as a starter, but he's played better than Smoot and Torrence. He's been a good nickel and pretty strong in the rotation of covering a #1 WR. I would like to keep him around, but we do eventually need to find a replacement for Springs, and he's not it. Maybe, improving our pass rush through the draft will make our secondary better, and we can hold tight with who we have for another year. As a unit, they generally do pretty well in man coverage when we blitz. We've just got to start getting to the QB and not leaving out there alone for jump balls.

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I would sign Hall before I sign Rogers given that he has been to more pro bowls and has more picks this season than Rogers. Yeah he gets beat but he can recover and make the pick. Rogers gives up too much space in coverage and he got beat by Hixon twice on a slant. If Hall gets a few more picks he should be considered for pro bowl, but I'm thinking its to late to vote for him, but his 5 picks (overall are tied for the highest in the NFC).

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its all about making plays. and sure, he gets toasted once in a while. but what corner doesnt?

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[quote=theJBexperience;507668]DeAngelo has been an upgrade to the rotation of CBs we have going. [B]He's not going to replace Shawn Springs or Carlos Rogers as a starter, [/B]but he's played better than Smoot and Torrence. He's been a good nickel and pretty strong in the rotation of covering a #1 WR. I would like to keep him around, but we do eventually need to find a replacement for Springs, and he's not it. Maybe, improving our pass rush through the draft will make our secondary better, and we can hold tight with who we have for another year. As a unit, they generally do pretty well in man coverage when we blitz. We've just got to start getting to the QB and not leaving out there alone for jump balls.[/quote]



i pretty much agree with you but notice the part in bold. i think hall will be a fine replacement for springs, if the team decides to cut him to save money. rogers would be our #1, hall #2 and keep smoot as #3, they have that rookie as #4. you are right about the d-line, that needs to be addressed in the off season.

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Another stud corner would be a nice pickup in FA or the draft, but I only think it's fair to give Hall and Blache a full season together. This will give Blache ample time to figure out Hall's strengths and weaknesses and if he can be utilized properly in this scheme. Don't forget, Hall is learning a new system, or at least new terminology, and is still trying to adjust most likely. Of course, all of this based on the assumption SS will not be here next year, which I personally see happening unless he seriously restructures his contract. He just does not play enough games for the money he gets paid, IMO. However, I thought the same thing last year so go figure.

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[quote=DarkKnight;507645]yea, we could always bring back archeleta if that make you feel better, get outta here, anyone will get burned in that oakland defense, D has came here and got us two picks, name a starting CB for washington that has done that in 3 games or less........yea, so to answer on member questions, D-hall should be on our longterm plan, cut smoot, cut springs....and lets get him across from rogers, that is a pretty good tandem, get a monster like hanyesworth up the middle with our speed DE.........top 5[/quote]




Didnt know it was that easy

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Hall is a nice option to have, espicially given his age. All teams desire 3 or more good corners, however trying to find and pay them is the problem. To really answer whether the Skins should keep him, imagine him in a Eagle, Giant, or Boys uniform guarding one of our WR. If you think this is a matchup we can win, then don't sign him (throwing against him 3 times = 1 touchdown). If you believe he can keep our receivers from catching the ball and out of the endzone, then sign him back.

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[quote=wolfeskins;507672]i pretty much agree with you but notice the part in bold. i think hall will be a fine replacement for springs, if the team decides to cut him to save money. rogers would be our #1, hall #2 and keep smoot as #3, they have that rookie as #4. you are right about the d-line, that needs to be addressed in the off season.[/quote]

I think he'd be okay. I probably should have said that he's not the caliber of starting CB as Springs or Rogers. And I really hate the idea of Justin Tryon ever seeing the field again. Again, those guys in the secondary could look infinitely stronger with a solid pass rush.

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[quote=DarkKnight;507645]yea, we could always bring back archeleta if that make you feel better, get outta here, anyone will get burned in that oakland defense, D has came here and got us two picks, name a starting CB for washington that has done that in 3 games or less........yea, so to answer on member questions, D-hall should be on our longterm plan, cut smoot, cut springs....and lets get him across from rogers, that is a pretty good tandem, get a monster like hanyesworth up the middle with our speed DE.........top 5[/quote]

I actually like our db's but Springs is always injured. So if i had to lose one it would be springs. Im still not sold on Rogers either. Yeah he came back from a bad injury and you get kudos there but I'm still waiting to be impressed. Boy i miss Champ Bailey.

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[quote=NIKNIK_28;507635]Maybe it seems a bad titile for the thread, but i have always been a supporter of bringing in D. Hall. Dude is a beast, anyways redskins.com is listing him as having 6 INT's on the year. Thats only 1 behinf polamolu the leage leader, yet on NFL.com it only shows him for the 2 he recorded in the 3 games he played with us? How do we get this injustice fixed Matty? Just goes to show how [B]UN[/B] "washed up" he really is[/quote]

He could have had 3 ints in 3 games if Springs dumb a** didn't try to steal a INT from him. That pissed me off and could have been a momentum changer. I love Springs but that was a bone head play!!

There are a influx of haters lately..that are fake GMs who know nothing about football..idiots

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I'd let him walk. He's just not as good as advertised and it's going to cost too much. Plus he's always good for several 15 yarders a year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;507692]I'd let him walk. He's just not as good as advertised and it's going to cost too much. Plus he's always good for several 15 yarders a year.[/quote]

If it doesn't cost too much though, I'd keep him. I think there was a deep pool of CBs coming out of the draft this past year and we blew it by taking Tryon (who I'm just not sold on). I don't think the pool is as deep this year. Hall is young and talented enough.

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I like him and yes he was bullied at Oakland. Every corner benifets from a great pass rush. Look at Cromartie last year. he was a beast because his front seven was. Now that they can rush for crap his numbers dropped. Great dbs in the past almost always had a great pass rush to go along with it.

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All of you idiots who defend him, obviously have only seen madden ratings and never seen him play in Atlanta, Oakland, and now here. He has always gotten burnt and tried to make up for his bad decisions with his athleticism. Yes he has two picks so far. I can't say on either of them that he did anything special. The only positive in my eyes is that he didn't drop them. If we give him a reasonable contract, say 3-4 years & 10-14 mil, in the off-season then I think he would be a good nickel back and injury replacement for us down the line. He is NOT a starter; at least not for a competitive team.

Please stop making it seem like he's great, he's not. Actually watch the play unfold and not just the DB's celebrating after a play. 80% of the time they celebrate when they didn't really do anything. All of you who defend him just make yourselves sound like idiots.

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I teach in Chesapeake, Va where D.Hall is from and my teacher's assistant has known him since childhood. Her son and he are close... She told me that DeAngelo has been a die-hard Redskins fan since he was little and jumped at the chance to sign with us over the likes of New England, etc. (for league minimum!) because he WANTED to play here.

Now... do I know his rep even from high school? yeah... do I personally think he is a great guy, not particularly... but I really have a hunch that playing for the Redskins might just have an effect on him and his behavior... and a discount this offseason.

Also.. I don't know what some guys were watching, but he played a great game against the Giants outside of the one missed tackle/late hit play... he blanketed the receivers the majority of the day...

Regardless, I say anyone who WANTS to be a Redskin is ok in my book. Re-sign him.

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[QUOTE=skins4life25;507701]All of you idiots who defend him, obviously have only seen madden ratings and never seen him play in Atlanta, Oakland, and now here. He has always gotten burnt and tried to make up for his bad decisions with his athleticism. Yes he has two picks so far. I can't say on either of them that he did anything special. The only positive in my eyes is that he didn't drop them. If we give him a reasonable contract, say 3-4 years & 10-14 mil, in the off-season then I think he would be a good nickel back and injury replacement for us down the line. He is NOT a starter; at least not for a competitive team.

Please stop making it seem like he's great, he's not. Actually watch the play unfold and not just the DB's celebrating after a play. 80% of the time they celebrate when they didn't really do anything. All of you who defend him just make yourselves sound like idiot
So I guess 2 pro bowls in Atlanta and 2 ints in 3 games doesn't do it for you.

You must be the same idiot who likes the stone hands of Rogers and Grandpa Springs knocking over teamates who have freakin ints. You're telling me Rogers hasn't gotten [B]burnt[/B]? give me a break dude.:censored:

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[quote=skins4life25;507701]All of you idiots who defend him, obviously have only seen madden ratings and never seen him play in Atlanta, Oakland, and now here. He has always gotten burnt and tried to make up for his bad decisions with his athleticism. Yes he has two picks so far. I can't say on either of them that he did anything special. The only positive in my eyes is that he didn't drop them. If we give him a reasonable contract, say 3-4 years & 10-14 mil, in the off-season then I think he would be a good nickel back and injury replacement for us down the line. He is NOT a starter; at least not for a competitive team.

Please stop making it seem like he's great, he's not. Actually watch the play unfold and not just the DB's celebrating after a play. 80% of the time they celebrate when they didn't really do anything. All of you who defend him just make yourselves sound like idiots.[/quote]

I'm of the opinion that he could be a strong nickel/solid starter for us. I don't really follow Madden ratings and I've seen him play for Atlanta, Oakland, and now here. I think a lot of us who "defend" him think he is good, but not great. I'm not asking him to be the next Darrell Green but do I think he is better than most other nickel backs we've had in recent years? Absolutely

Now you may disagree with those of us "defend" him but, just a word of advice, drop the use of the word "idiot" so frequently

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[quote=skins4life25;507701]All of you idiots who defend him, obviously have only seen madden ratings and never seen him play in Atlanta, Oakland, and now here. He has always gotten burnt and tried to make up for his bad decisions with his athleticism. Yes he has two picks so far. I can't say on either of them that he did anything special. The only positive in my eyes is that he didn't drop them. If we give him a reasonable contract, say 3-4 years & 10-14 mil, in the off-season then I think he would be a good nickel back and injury replacement for us down the line. He is NOT a starter; at least not for a competitive team.

Please stop making it seem like he's great, he's not. Actually watch the play unfold and not just the DB's celebrating after a play. 80% of the time they celebrate when they didn't really do anything. All of you who defend him just make yourselves sound like idiots.[/quote]
Wow. That's a lot of insight into the lack of intelligence of anyone who doesn't agree with you.
He was asked to man cover with little to no safety help in Oakland. He was to give up everything underneath but nothing deeper until in the red zone then lock down. For all of Oakland's weaknesses, they are 10th in the NFL against the pass and nobody left on the Raiders have more ints than Hall did when he left.
IMO, Hall is not a solid starter or a shut down corner (which I believe Rogers and Springs are). However, he is a game changer. His style will let a wr run by him (which is why Landry and Horton are important) but he'll hang on to the ball for a pick which is something we also need.

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[quote=SmootSmack;507705]I'm not asking him to be the next Darrell Green but do I think he is better than most other nickel backs we've had in recent years? Absolutely[/quote]

Even Darrell Green got beat on occasion. So does Champ Bailey, Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel or any other modern day cb. The rules are definitely against them.

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. That was directed at the people who seem to think that he is either A) Top 3 or 4 in the league (I know I read that somewhere on here) or B) Think he is better than Rogers or Springs.

A lot worse people have gotten two picks in 3 games. We're just so used to not seeing that sort of production, that we have exalted him already. Another reason why he has those picks is because teams gameplan to throw at him. He's had more chances.

Who was getting the safety help in Oakland? Nnamdi Asomugha? Hardly.

He has great hands and athleticism but he finds in himself in bad positions constantly. I will say that he has been better since he's been here. Maybe all the acting out he did in Atlanta and Oakland, that led to his sloppy play and departures, is being curbed by our veteran locker room. If he truly wants to be here, great. As long as it's not a crazy contract, I'm all for it. Those that think he's better than Springs or Rogers (even with stone hands) are sorely mistaken (was that better than idiot?).

I agree, the rules are against them. With wideouts turning into DE's with 4.3 speed and the corners can't touch them it's a losing effort most times. Meanwhile star wide receivers can push off every time (unless you're a rook getting no respect, welcome to the league Thomas). Which is why it's even more important to be technically sound, something that he will never be accused of.

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I agree with your post skins4life, hall is wayy overrated.

Also the coaching staff is eager to put him in as the 3rd CB, while moving Springs to safety. Bad idea IMO because Smoot can't cover a number 2 receiver worth shit.

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the people jumping all over Hall's coverage skills amaze me. alot of them are the same people that wanted Fred Smoot back. Hall isn't a top tier corner.but he is a huge upgrade over Smoot. and Springs is just down right undependable. i say keep him, at a reasonable price. if he wants more then that, goodbye

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Front office and coaches (and the fans) had 4 more regular season games to decide.

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Smoot needs to be on the bench. Springs, Rogers, Hall then Smoot. Smoot is the weakest link.

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[quote=hooskins;507646]Did you not watch the game? Picks are great and I love Dhall for them but he got burned ATLEAST 4 times. And his pick wasn't anything brilliant either, it was a bad throw.

Is he better than Smoot? Sure, but not [B]Springs[/B] or even close to Rogers.[/quote]

Well springs only plays 4 games a year.

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[quote=jrocx69;507647]we need a 3-4 d.... with those corners and taylor and carter on the ends would spell touble for alot of teams offenses. dump washington and rocky and fletcher in the middle.

we need to draft a stout NT.[/quote]

I doubt Blache would switch to a 3-4 but as far as NT's go Montgomery is a perfect fit. In fact the possibility of a 3-4 is quite entertaining in my eyes though it's probably nothing more then mental masturbation. Anyway heres how it would probably look. Pretty intersting when you think about it but Blache is a proud man who is currently in command of a top 5 defense (unless the Giants did something about that).

CB - C. Rogers
CB - D. Hall
FS - L. Landry
SS - C. Horton

LDE - K. Golston
NT - A. Montgomery
RDE - C. Griffin

LOLB - J. Taylor
ROLB - A. Carter
SILB - L. Fletcher
WILB -R. McIntosh

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[quote=Dirtbag359;507731]I doubt Blache would switch to a 3-4 but as far as NT's go Montgomery is a perfect fit. In fact the possibility of a 3-4 is quite entertaining in my eyes though it's probably nothing more then mental masturbation. Anyway heres how it would probably look. Pretty intersting when you think about it but Blache is a proud man who is currently in command of a top 5 defense (unless the Giants did something about that).

CB - C. Rogers
CB - D. Hall
FS - L. Landry
SS - C. Horton

LDE - K. Golston
NT - A. Montgomery
RDE - C. Griffin

LOLB - J. Taylor
ROLB - A. Carter
SILB - L. Fletcher
WILB -R. McIntosh[/quote]Carter would be a DE even in the 3-4. I know he played OLB for Nolan and Singletary in SF, but either way he's out of position. Still, he's more stout than people give him credit for. I'm not sure that Golston is a 3-4 DE either. Seems like more of a backup nose tackle to me. Evans would be the ideal 3-4 end, as would Daniels. I'm not sure who you would take out though, you'd probably just rotate the linemen.

Blades, I think would probably play next to Fletch on the inside, and then McIntosh would be the outside linebacker opposite Taylor.

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[quote=dmek25;507720]the people jumping all over Hall's coverage skills amaze me. alot of them are the same people that wanted Fred Smoot back. Hall isn't a top tier corner.but he is a huge upgrade over Smoot. and Springs is just down right undependable. [B]i say keep him, at a reasonable price. if he wants more then that, goodbye[/B][/quote]I agree that Hall brings things to the table that Smoot does not.

But the bold part is the key here: does that sound like the Redskins to you? Letting a marketable athlete go because he wants more money than his play on the field dicates he should get?

Hall is worth way more to Snyder in terms of $ than he's worth on the field. Ideally, DeAngelo Hall would be our nickelback, sell a bunch of jerseys, and return kicks for us. Realistically, he's our often toasted second corner of the future.

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One thing we've got to remember about Hall, is that he's playing as if he's in a contract year. He's pushing, and he's hungry right now to prove himself with a team who's giving him a chance. If he decides to stay hungry, then I would give him another year. I think the FO will handle this properly, and not jump to a big contract. Keep him in a position to prove himself.