Colt Brennan
 

Why do you think the Skins drafted Brennan? Do they see him as a guy who could be a legit starter in a few years? Or is he just a career 3rd stringer?

I can't see them drafting him thinking he would someday be the starter since Campbell is supposedly the "future".

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They took him because he is the epitome of risk vs. reward. We invest very little to obtain him, and he has a chance of being a very good player in this league. I think we've learned it's very important to have two good quarterbacks in today's NFL, and that's what they were thinking.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

He played in a similar style offense under June Jones in Hawaii. With Brunell gone and Collins nearing the end of his career, we needed another backup QB. Brennan was a projected early round pick for much of his senior year, and slipped all the way to the 6th round.

I think we addressed a need (BACKUP QB, not eventual starter), and got a good value in doing so.

There will not be an open QB competition in camp next season, so everyone can just forget about it.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;509478]Why do you think the Skins drafted Brennan? Do they see him as a guy who could be a legit starter in a few years? Or is he just a career 3rd stringer?

I can't see them drafting him thinking he would someday be the starter since Campbell is supposedly the "future".[/quote]

I think you're trying to use reverse psychology with the topic of this thread, but I'll give a legitimate opinion anyway. I believe he was drafted because Zorn felt it was a good value to get Brennan in the sixth round.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Southpaw;509483]I think you're trying to use reverse psychology with the topic of this thread, but I'll give a legitimate opinion anyway. I believe he was drafted because Zorn felt it was a good value to get Brennan in the sixth round.[/quote]

No need to overthink things... I am just curious to hear others opinions.

I personally think it is ridiculous for anyone to think Colt could produce now.

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I think colt brennan is the "hasselbeck" for the redskins. Sit on the bench, learn from zorn, watch the starter and eventually will become the starter. Remember Campbell has not recieved his extension yet

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Well at this point it really doesn't mater why we drafted him. They're gonna keep the douche they call Campbell at QB and we'll play from there. Now Campbell isn't the reason we lost last night. The line once again was horrible, but he is the reason why my voice is soar from screaming move out the pocket and throw the damn ball away. He hangs on the ball much to long for my taste. He also doesn't have much motivation skills on the sideline either. When a team is down or making a comeback you see the Bradys or Farves on the sideline walking the bench back and forth to get his team hyped. Every cut to Jason on the sideline i see him on the bench with very little excitement.

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You draft 6th round QB's to learn and be the backup. If the QB learns enough he MAY someday get a shot at playing.

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Tom Brady was 6th rounder... I'm just saying

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I'm just laughing at all you Colt haters. One day soon he'll prove you wrong. The same people who protect JC are the ones who say not to bench Brunell for JC. So its amazing how it works. JC is only buying his time. Theres no extension yet nor will there be before they give more of a work load to Colt to see how he does.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509504]I'm just laughing at all you Colt haters. One day soon he'll prove you wrong. The same people who protect JC are the ones who say not to bench Brunell for JC. So its amazing how it works. JC is only buying his time. Theres no extension yet nor will there be before they give more of a work load to Colt to see how he does.[/quote]

Plenty of us who don't feel it's Colt time yet, or that his time may not ever come with the Redskins are not haters. I'm happy he's on our team. He's young. He showed this summer that he has talent, but still has room to improve. I just think that right now campbell gives us the better chance to win. Just like there was a time when Brunell gave us the best chance. This notion that we want some players to start over others must mean we hate those other players is asinine. Heck, look at my screen name. You'd think I want Smoot starting every game. Far from it, he's best suited as a nickel back, maybe even a dime back depending on the talent ahead of him. I don't want him starting, but I certainly don't hate him.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=prinzeofmoval;509504]I'm just laughing at all you Colt haters. One day soon he'll prove you wrong. The same people who protect JC are the ones who say not to bench Brunell for JC. So its amazing how it works. JC is only buying his time. Theres no extension yet nor will there be before they give more of a work load to Colt to see how he does.[/quote]

You don't have to hate Colt to think JC is the right QB for the Skins right NOW. In a few years who knows???

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;509487]I think colt brennan is the "hasselbeck" for the redskins. Sit on the bench, learn from zorn, watch the starter and eventually will become the starter. Remember Campbell has not recieved his extension yet[/quote]
He is Babe Laufenberg.....
Beautiful preseason and a loyal fan base calling for his number to be called. Yet, he won't throw a regular season TD unless we have some serious injuries.

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[quote=rypper11;509507]He is Babe Laufenberg.....
Beautiful preseason and a loyal fan base calling for his number to be called. Yet, he won't throw a regular season TD unless we have some serious injuries.[/quote]
I hope he is the next Tony Romo. They have the same build and they both have an ability to make plays. If JC is not the guy then, I hope Colt is.

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what did the dead horse do to deserve such a beating?

go skins!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;509505]Plenty of us who don't feel it's Colt time yet, or that his time may not ever come with the Redskins are not haters. I'm happy he's on our team. He's young. He showed this summer that he has talent, but still has room to improve. I just think that right now campbell gives us the better chance to win. Just like there was a time when Brunell gave us the best chance. This notion that we want some players to start over others must mean we hate those other players is asinine. Heck, look at my screen name. You'd think I want Smoot starting every game. Far from it, he's best suited as a nickel back, maybe even a dime back depending on the talent ahead of him. I don't want him starting, but I certainly don't hate him.[/quote]

I don't wanna throw my boy in the fire but Im talking about the people on this site who see JC as the man with all the answers. I don't want my boy getting his nerves shot but when is somebody ready. Throwing a guy out there is a hit or miss. I don't believe a player shouldn't have to wait two or three seasons to prove himself. If you can play you can play look at first timers Flacco and Matt from the falcons two players who are getting the job done. Don't give me the line is superior crap also because thats the same line that got Harrington and Leftwich nearly killed last year.

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Did we really need another Colt thread??

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At some point next year or the year after Colt will be starting for the Skins.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509512]If you can play you can play look at first timers Flacco and Matt from the falcons two players who are getting the job done. Don't give me the line is superior crap also because thats the same line that got Harrington and Leftwich nearly killed last year.[/quote]Matt Ryan and Flacco were picked in the first 20 picks of the draft. Colt Brennan was a 6th rounder. He's a typical Hawaii / June Jones "system" guy, that played against inferior talent in college. Put him at QB and we'd be 2-11 rather than 7-6. Colt Brennan = Timmy Chang.

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[quote=Mattyk72;509518]Did we really need another Colt thread??[/quote]

with these colt JC threads i find myself basically repeating myself every week to the point i annoy myself. how can anyone of us have a new or original thought about either qb that we havent posted/talked about already?

im almost ready to start up a good ole "your not a fan if . . ." thread just to shake up the daily routine. my bad about being a thread downer, i should probaly stick to my policy of just not opening the thread to begin with.

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[quote=irish;509522]At some point next year or the year after Colt will be starting for the Skins.[/quote]
I sure as hell hope not or we're in deep $hit.

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[quote=irish;509522]At some point next year or the year after Colt will be starting for the Skins.[/quote]


You do realize that would be a horrible thing right? It would mean JC failed and we are back at square one with waiting to see if a guy can develop. By the time Colt comes around Portis/Moss are gone or a shell of themselves.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;509503]Tom Brady was 6th rounder... I'm just saying[/quote]

Spergon Wynn was a 6th rounder...I'm just saying

See...it works both ways :)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;509526]Matt Ryan and Flacco were picked in the first 20 picks of the draft. Colt Brennan was a 6th rounder. He's a typical Hawaii / June Jones "system" guy, that played against inferior talent in college. Put him at QB and we'd be 2-11 rather than 7-6. Colt Brennan = Timmy Chang.[/quote]

Okay because Delaware is a power house school or a great division..And Matt was a virtual nobody until his senior year who couldn't win his conference championship. The only game Colt got his ass kicked was Georgia which was number 1 ranked and the start of the season.

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[quote=jdlea;509538]Spergon Wynn was a 6th rounder...I'm just saying

See...it works both ways :)[/quote]

absolutely

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JC is falling back into his old habits. The 13 yard drop back into the pocket and then getting sacked reminds me of a couple of years ago. He's time is running out. Gibbs brought him here but he is not safe. None of them are.

I still think he will out last Zorn.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=prinzeofmoval;509539]Okay because Delaware is a power house school or a great division..And Matt was a virtual nobody until his senior year who couldn't win his conference championship. The only game Colt got his ass kicked was Georgia which was number 1 ranked and the start of the season.[/quote]
My point is, I will take the opinion of the NFL scouts and GMs who evaluate talent for a living who all had Ryan and Flacco as highly rated and had Brennan as a 6th rounder, many had Brennan as going undrafted.

I don't know what Brennan has done to have some folks on this board clamoring for him other than looking for an alternative to JC. Outside of a couple pre-season quarters against guys who didn't make NFL rosters, the guy's done nothing. He isn't physically impressive, doesn't have a strong arm and has a poor release. Pardon me for not annointing him the savior.

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I will say this, if we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, I'd like to get a look at Brennan with some live bullets. I don't consider him the replacement for Campbell, but it would be interesting to see.

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[quote=over the mountain;509511]what did the dead horse do to deserve such a beating?[/quote]

It named itself "Colt".

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;509526]Matt Ryan and Flacco were picked in the first 20 picks of the draft. Colt Brennan was a 6th rounder. He's a typical Hawaii / June Jones "system" guy, that played against inferior talent in college. Put him at QB and we'd be 2-11 rather than 7-6. Colt Brennan = Timmy Chang.[/quote]
chris cooley played in that same conference and is producing and he was a 3rd rd pick

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=prinzeofmoval;509504]I'm just laughing at all you Colt haters. One day soon he'll prove you wrong. The same people who protect JC are the ones who say not to bench Brunell for JC. So its amazing how it works. JC is only buying his time. Theres no extension yet nor will there be before they give more of a work load to Colt to see how he does.[/quote]

I think you are making quite a leap to say anyone is a Colt hater. He is a Redskin that was drafted in the 6th round. Why would anyone hate him? It was a 6th round pick so it is not like it is a pick anyone has high expectations for or thought it could have been used to draft a stud lineman.

IMO the reality is he is not ready and there is a good chance he will be a career backup if he is lucky. Not because I hate him, but it is just my opinion from watching him in the WAC. He played in a system that allowed him to put up great numbers. There have been many, many college QBs that have done this and most never make it to the NFL. He was no 'secret' and all the NFL teams passed on him. Could he prove them wrong? Sure anything is possible. Would I bet on it? No. And not because I hate him since it would be the best thing for my team if he was a franchise QB.

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[quote=charlielyons;509561]chris cooley played in that same conference and is producing and he was a 3rd rd pick[/quote]
so what's your point?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;509566]so what's your point?[/quote]
whats my point, my point is just because hes not a first round pick and from the WAC , doesnt mean brennan wont produce......cooley played for utah state which is in the WAC and was a 3rd round pick...

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509496]Well at this point it really doesn't mater why we drafted him. They're gonna keep the douche they call Campbell at QB and we'll play from there. Now Campbell isn't the reason we lost last night. The line once again was horrible, but he is the reason why my voice is soar from screaming move out the pocket and throw the damn ball away. He hangs on the ball much to long for my taste. He also doesn't have much motivation skills on the sideline either. When a team is down or making a comeback you see the Bradys or Farves on the sideline walking the bench back and forth to get his team hyped. Every cut to Jason on the sideline i see him on the bench with very little excitement.[/quote]

JC gets one more year at QB. If he produces they resign him, if not he is gone. THe FO told Frerotte to take a hike for not getting the job done, then Johnson because of not getting the job done and $$$$$. JC will want a raise, which is natural with guys in his position in the league. I would find it rather disturbing if Snyder doesn't part with this guy if we go 7-9 or 8-8 in 2009. On top of that JC shows no passion or leadership at all in his starting role. Even Frerotte showed some emotion and fight when he was with us, as did Johnson.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

It's typically easier for a non-QB to come from a smaller school than a QB...not taking anything away from Cooley, but you're not exactly comparing apples to apples.

Colt Brennan is a project, nothing more, nothing less. And while there are exceptions to every rule (Tom Brady), I wouldn't expect much more than a career backup role for Brennan, if anything. System QBs don't tend to last very long (again, Todd Collins being an exception) in the NFL because the systems change and adapt much quicker than on the college level.

Not that it's a bad thing. And while JC might not be the answer the Skins will end up needing, I don't think Brennan is either.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509496]Well at this point it really doesn't mater why we drafted him. They're gonna keep the douche they call Campbell at QB and we'll play from there. Now Campbell isn't the reason we lost last night. The line once again was horrible, but he is the reason why my voice is soar from screaming move out the pocket and throw the damn ball away. He hangs on the ball much to long for my taste. [B]He also doesn't have much motivation skills on the sideline either. When a team is down or making a comeback you see the Bradys or Farves on the sideline walking the bench back and forth to get his team hyped. Every cut to Jason on the sideline i see him on the bench with very little excitement.[/B][/quote]

I am sorry but these types of comments are just bogus to me. Are you in the huddle? Have you spoken to his teammates? Just b/c he doesn't seem to be motivating them the way you would like, doesn't mean he doesn't command their respect. These are the same types of comments Philly fans make about McNabb. Several of the greatest QB's ever were known for their quiet command of the game. Johnny U - not a sideline rah-rah guy, but he owned his team. Same for Joe Montana.

Leadership comes in many forms and this BS that a QB has to be a cheerleader to be effective strikes me as ignorant.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509512]I don't wanna throw my boy in the fire but Im talking about the people on this site who see JC as the man with all the answers. I don't want my boy getting his nerves shot but when is somebody ready. Throwing a guy out there is a hit or miss. I don't believe a player shouldn't have to wait two or three seasons to prove himself. If you can play you can play look at first timers Flacco and Matt from the falcons two players who are getting the job done. Don't give me the line is superior crap also because thats the same line that got Harrington and Leftwich nearly killed last year.[/quote]

For the record, Flacco didn't "get it done" yesterday. 10-21 for 146 yards with a TD and a pick. The Ravens didn't win because of him

Also,

Ravens LT: Jared Gaither (2nd year, first full year as a starter)
Ravens LG: Ben Grubbs (2nd year starter)
Ravens C: Jason Brown (4th year, 3rd year starter)
Ravens RG: Chris Chester (3rd year, 2nd year starter)
Ravens RT: Who's starting there these days? Is it Anderson?

Falcons LT: Sam Baker (1st year, IR I think)
Falcons LG: Justin Blalock (2nd year)
Falcons C: Todd McClure (10th year)
Falcons RG: Harvey Dahl (2nd year, first year starter)
Falcons RT: Tyson Clabo (3rd year)

With the exception of the Falcons' center, we're talking about youth across the board for both lines. And guys getting the chance to develop together which is huge for an offensive line. I think the argument could be made that chemistry is just as, if not more, crucial than talent.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;509574]I am sorry but these types of comments are just bogus to me. Are you in the huddle? Have you spoken to his teammates? Just b/c he doesn't seem to be motivating them the way you would like, doesn't mean he doesn't command their respect. These are the same types of comments Philly fans make about McNabb. Several of the greatest QB's ever were known for their quiet command of the game. Johnny U - not a sideline rah-rah guy, but he owned his team. Same for Joe Montana.

[B]Leadership comes in many forms and this BS that a QB has to be a cheerleader to be effective strikes me as ignorant[/B].[/quote]

I concur with you brother. Professional athletes are paid to play the game. Jason shouldn't have to pump up his team, everyone should be self motivated. Its all about the dollar dollar bills!!

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[quote=charlielyons;509567]whats my point, my point is just because hes not a first round pick and from the WAC , doesnt mean brennan wont produce......cooley played for utah state which is in the WAC and was a 3rd round pick...[/quote]
See post # 35...thanks BD.

I didn't say he wouldn't produce because he's not a 1st round pick, or because he's from the WAC. I say he won't produce because: He's a system guy from Hawaii, he doesn't have a strong arm, he isn't physically gifted, he has a poor throwing motion / release. He doesn't strike me as a real good decision maker.

The facts on him "are what they are". He's not a first round level talent. The WAC is an inferior conference to the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 10. Timmy Chang put up similar numbers to Colt in his time at Hawaii. Timmy Chang is now in the CFL.

When Colt actually wins an NFL game as a starter, then we can open the discussion on whether he'll amount to more than a career back-up. Right now if JC goes down (God forbid), I'm glad we would go to Collins rather than Brennan.

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Why did they draft Colt Brennan? Certainly it was [B]not [/B]for either of these two reasons:

1. They think he will max out as a third-string QB - - aka "baseball cap wearer and clipboard holder." or

2. They think he's ready to play at the NFL level in 2008.


If they thought he could play NOW, he would never have lasted until the 6th round. The Skins would have taken him in the rounds where they took all those other guys they thought could play - - like Rhinehart and Tryon.

On the other hand, the same guys who drafted him as a "prospect/project" also took Kelly/Davis/Thomas early on to help resolve problems in the receiving corps... So, maybe he is a super-star ready to take over the league immediately - - if he can only get his shot.


Why isn't Colt Brennan ready to play now? Because he is the product of an offensive system that is not used in the NFL meaning that he has to start the learning process from next to the very beginning. Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan had a [B]huge advantage [/B]over Colt Brennan in college because they played in systems that are far more similar to NFL offenses. And so they began the learning curve at a higher level of experience.


Will Colt Brennan ever be any good? It is waaay too early to know. So far, he has played against competition that was generally not good enough to make the NFL - - both at Hawaii and in the exhibition games. Right now, only the coaches who see him in practice all the time have any idea how close he is to being "NFL-competent" - - or how far away he is.


NFL scouting is not a science. If it were, Johnny Unitas would not have been an undrafted free-agent and the Redskins would have selected a much better receiver in the second round this year than the guys they selected. So, the jury is out on Colt Brennan and it will take a horrendous set of circumstances for anyone to see him in a game this year for anything other than mop-up duty.


But IMAGINE for a moment that Brennan is [B]nowhere near ready to play [/B]and that is apparent to people in the Redskins practices - - including Jason Campbell. If that were the case, wouldn't it make sense for JC and his agent to work on getting that long term extension in this off-season instead of waiting. After all, IF Brennan isn't ready to play, it's not as if the Redskins have much to fall back on at the position.


Just a thought.