What All-Time Redskin QB was most dominant?
 

since we are all in debate as of late about the QB situation or lack there of in Washington. who does everyone think was the most dominant QB in redskins history and why

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According to 30% of the people on here, Colt Brennan.

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Cary Conklin

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Historians would say Sammy Baugh or Sonny Jurgenson, but I never saw them play. In my lifetime it would have to be Joe Theismann -- a consistent, season-after-season threat that you could always count on.

Since then, Mark Rypien in spurts. In 1991 he was dominant. But apart from that year he was far from consistent.

This franchise hasn't had much luck at dominant quarterbacks. Not many franchises have.

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Gus Ferrotte. He took that hit from that big defensive...wall.

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Sonny.

Or Sammy Baugh. He was like the old school Colt Brennan. :laughing2

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I'm glad you said "most" in your question cause I really don't think any were dominant. All had a low QB rating and most were never top draft choices. It seemed either Gibbs or whoever he had training them did an excellent job with them. Other then that Kilmer or Jergenson.

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Theismans been the best that Ive watched,I think Brad Johnson could have been another if Snyder wouldnt have screwed that up

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Joe T.

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[quote=SBXVII;509641]Kilmer or [B][SIZE="4"]Jergenson[/SIZE][/B].[/quote]

Don't get me started on the Sonny vs. Billy debate. There was no comparison. Sonny was hands down a better QB. Kilmer was a converted RB with a noodle arm. Always threw wounded ducks. Sonny could flat out tho' the ball! (Sonny's words!)

Never saw Baugh, but he must have been special.

No other QB we have had since Sonny could flat out throw it like Sonny!
He never dominated because he was always playing from behind. We had some poor defenses.

Ryp was very good during that one magical year we won the SB. Almost dominant.

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I didn't see any of them play, but it's hard to compare Baugh to anyone else since his claim to fame is revolutionizing the QB position (as well as being one of the best punters the league has ever had and leading the NFL in INTs a few times), not necessarily being a really great passer or anything.

If you give me a vote, I'm taking Jurgensen, but then again, the Brad Johnson era is ancient to me.

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[quote=hagams;509629]According to 30% of the people on here, Colt Brennan.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha on 12/7. Ruhskins recommended that SGG's post be saved in word document to later cut and paste for the all the Colt Brennan numnuts who feel he should replace Jason Campbell. Without further ado, here's to the 30%:

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Let me see here.

Brennan has never taken a snap in a regular season game.

Brennan struggled mightily in half of the preseason games he played in against 3rd stringers.

Brennan is struggling as a 3rd stringer in practice at Redskins Park.

Brennan has never practiced with the first teamers or otherwise developed a rapport with the receivers.

The coaches think Brennan isn't as good as Collins and have therefore placed him as the #3 QB.

To my knowledge, Brennan hasn't even dressed for a single game.

Campbell has a QB rating in the mid 80s, but has struggled against the #1, #2, #3 and #8 defenses in the league.

But, yeah, lets start Brennan. The Redskins fans' tendency to think the grass is always greener on the other side is alive and well.

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[quote=hagams;509629]According to 30% of the people on here, Colt Brennan.[/quote]

lol...ahhhhhh no smart ass. But what about Trent Green..Oh yeah he dominated in KC..Colt non believers beware JC is fools gold..lol naw I'm kidding(im not)but i'll have to say I became a fan because of Mark Rypien..so there you have it

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[quote=SkinDogg;509724]Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha on 12/7. Ruhskins recommended that SGG's post be saved in word document to later cut and paste for the all the Colt Brennan numnuts who feel he should replace Jason Campbell. Without further ado, here's to the 30%:

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Let me see here.

Brennan has never taken a snap in a regular season game.

Brennan struggled mightily in half of the preseason games he played in against 3rd stringers.

Brennan is struggling as a 3rd stringer in practice at Redskins Park.

Brennan has never practiced with the first teamers or otherwise developed a rapport with the receivers.

The coaches think Brennan isn't as good as Collins and have therefore placed him as the #3 QB.

To my knowledge, Brennan hasn't even dressed for a single game.

Campbell has a QB rating in the mid 80s, but has struggled against the #1, #2, #3 and #8 defenses in the league.

But, yeah, lets start Brennan. The Redskins fans' tendency to think the grass is always greener on the other side is alive and well.[/quote]

The executive decision earlier was no more Colt Brennan threads. This is an attempted hi-jack. I'm not a mod, but I would probably keep this thread close to what it's title reads or it will go bye....

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I saw Sammy Baugh play once. I think I was about 8 years old at the time. My only real knowledge of Baugh is the record books and those records/stats say he was the best Skins QB ever.

Here is one of Sammy Baugh's accomplishments that will never be equalled. In a single game, Baugh threw 4 TD passes and had 4 INTs also. He played DB as well as QB. Oh, yeah, he also led the league in punting a couple of times...

Sonny Jurgensen was the second best. I saw him play at least 50 games.

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Joe Theismann was very very underrated

But only Casey Bramlet was an MVP overseas

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;509738]I saw Sammy Baugh play once. I think I was about 8 years old at the time. My only real knowledge of Baugh is the record books and those records/stats say he was the best Skins QB ever.

Here is one of Sammy Baugh's accomplishments that will never be equalled. In a single game, Baugh threw 4 TD passes and [B]had[/B] 4 INTs also. He played DB as well as QB. Oh, yeah, he also led the league in punting a couple of times...

Sonny Jurgensen was the second best. I saw him play at least 50 games.[/quote]

Dude! He didn't [I]have[/I] four interceptions he [I]got[/I] four interceptions..........he picked those balls off himself while playing safety. And he still holds the league's records for the longest punt.........I believe it was 97 yards and punting average in the season............i can't remember, but I'm a homer so I'm going to say it was 65 yards.

Can you imagine it? Sean Taylor and Sonny Jurgeson combined into one person? So hands down he is the best quarterback the Redskins have ever had.

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Jay Shraeder (sp)

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[quote=Miller101;509761]Dude! He didn't [I]have[/I] four interceptions he [I]got[/I] four interceptions..........he picked those balls off himself while playing safety. And he still holds the league's records for the longest punt.........I believe it was 97 yards and punting average in the season............i can't remember, but I'm a homer so I'm going to say it was 65 yards.

Can you imagine it? Sean Taylor and Sonny Jurgeson combined into one person? So hands down he is the best quarterback the Redskins have ever had.[/quote]

Im pretty sure Baugh doesnt hold the record for longest punt,I remember reading guiness book of world record in the 70's and Baugh didnt hold the record then,im thinking it was 98 yards by some guy for the jets
but yeah,Baugh was great

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[quote=htownskinfan;509649]Theismans been the best that Ive watched,I think Brad Johnson could have been another if Snyder wouldnt have screwed that up[/quote]

I thought that was a disaster the curse of jeff george.brad johnson played well we got to the playoffs than they kick him out and he wins the supebowl with tampa.MARK RYPIEN had one great year but damn he was good.he was real good

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Baugh not only revolutionized the passing game, but was hands down the greatest football player to ever play. He's the only one EVER to lead the NFL in Passing, INTs (on defense), and punting....in the same year. He was dominant in his era, bringing 2 Championships in '37 & '42 to DC. The Skins were playing in Championship games on a regular basis while he was here.

- 70.33 single season completion percentage, # 2 all time
- 6 NFL passing titles
- 1st team, all-NFL seven times
- NFL record career punting average 45.1
- Charter member of NFL Hall of Fame

Unfortunatley, never saw him play.

Jurgensen would be the only other dominant QB over a length of time. Theismann was dominant in 82-83 and Rypien in 91, but neither over an extended period. Had Theismann not had his career ended by LT, we would likely have been the team of the '80s rather than the 49ers.

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Shane Matthews

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I dont know who is the most dominant all time - but the last dominant QB we had was Joey T. Mark Rippen doesnt count - even the 91 year... he only got sacked 9 times for crying out loud. He had great stats that year but who wouldn't w/ that defense, running game and 4 days to throw the ball. The rest of his time w/ the skins he gave up the ball like a pez dispenser every time he got hit.

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I'm obviously the old guy. I've been watching the Skins since the 60's. Sonny Jurgensen (64-74), in his prime, was the best Redskin quarterback I've ever seen. Billy Kilmer (71-78) was George Allen's favorite and benefited from a great supporting cast but was a lousy thrower. His passes were wounded ducks. Joe Theismann (74-85) won the most games. He was good but not great. Mark Rypien (87-93) had the best single season throwing to the posse; Gary Clark, Art Monk and Ricky Sanders. Doug Williams (86-89), my personal favorite, had the best playoff run with the posse. Real old timers say that Sammy Baugh (37-52) defined the position but I never saw him. Eddie LeBaron (52-59) was supposed to be good as well, way before my time. The more recent cast of bums, not worth even mentioning, are Gus Frerotte (94-98), Trent Green (93-95), Brad Johnson (99-00)

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^^ damn im 30 and need another 30 years to have the football knowledge and viewing pleasure you have. I tip my hat to you sir.

Like most posters I wasnt around to see slinging sammy, jurgensen or even theisman play. I started following the skins when doug williams lead us to the SB against the broncos but honestly my favorite (considering no skins qb has played well for an extended period of time) is patrick ramsey. i dont know why but i really felt for the guy going out there and slinging the rock while taking a pounding. kinda easy for a fan to endear to him i suppose.

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I never saw Sonny play but he's in the HOF for a reason. Just by looking at stats and highlights you can see he was great. And remember he played in an era where the forward pass was not what it is today. If he played in today's NFL, where the wr's can't be breathed on, he'd go off. I remember watching an old clip on Sonny fooling around in practice and throwing a ball behind his back on a rope 25 yards down field. Dude was a stud.

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Sammy Baugh was the Babe Ruth of the NFL in the 30's and 40's. He was the best QB in the league in his day, but add to that the fact that he was a great DB and one of the greatest punters in history - no brainer.

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Sammy Baugh was a great passer. But was he a great Quarterback? Didn't Sammy Baugh play Tailback in a Single Wing offense (for most of this career anyway).

The positions ( a single wing tailback and a modern quarterback) might be different enough to exclude comparison.

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[quote=skinsfan69;509835]I never saw Sonny play but he's in the HOF for a reason. Just by looking at stats and highlights you can see he was great. And remember he played in an era where the forward pass was not what it is today. If he played in today's NFL, where the wr's can't be breathed on, he'd go off. I remember watching an old clip on Sonny fooling around in practice and throwing a ball behind his back on a rope 25 yards down field. Dude was a stud.[/quote]

Interesting note about Sonny Jurgenson -- back on the old Tony Kornheiser show on ESPN several years ago, Tony recalled a moment on the field before a game just as Sonny was about to head up to the broadcast booth. Somebody asked Sonny to throw the ball -- Tony said Jurgenson could [I]still [/I]throw a laser.

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Sadly, all the greats were in the days of old. Kilmer, Baugh, Sonny, Theisman. Than the second level greats are Rypien, BJohnson,Williams, Third level can be found on the bottom of your shoes like Dog-Doo Ramsey,Brunell,yeeshhh...lets not explore this level at all.

Over all I think Sonny was the best we've had.

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What I've always found interesting about Jurgensen is that his dominance with the Redskins was a time when the Redskins were rather mediocre. Through little fault of his own I'm sure. Just always found that interesting.

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Theisman was probably the most dominant long term QB in the modern era. However remember when the Rams set their record for most points scored in a season they were replacing the 1991 Redskins who were headed by Mark Rypien.

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Darn Rams!!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;509920]Theisman was probably the most dominant long term QB in the modern era. However remember when the Rams set their record for most points scored in a season they were replacing the 1991 Redskins who were headed by Mark Rypien.[/quote]

That's wrong. The record the Rams broke was the record the Redskins set in the 1983 regular season, when the Redskins scored 541 points. The Redskins 1991 team scored 485.

Oh, and the guy who led the Redskins during the record-setting 1983 season? That would be the 1983 regular season MVP Joe Theismann.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;509633]Gus Ferrotte. He took that hit from that big defensive...wall.[/quote]
Thats some funny sh**t.

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Joe Theisman