Gregg Williams out in J-Ville
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3768691&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines]ESPN - Sources: Jacksonville Jaguars' defensive boss Greg Williams won't be back[/url]

Apparently the 2nd 'G' is for GONE!

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They've had a rough year all around in Jax, I wonder if Del Rio could be next.

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Maybe us letting him go wasn't such a bad idea?

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anyone have any idea on where the Jacksonville defense is? Williams must have something going on with management. every where he goes.....

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The Jags are have an awful season on offense and defense

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I saw that this morning on ESPN. Maybe he was over rated?

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That's a shame..............I like Greg. Did a good job here

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Del Rio changes coordinators like he changes underwear.

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Bring him back to DC lol!!!!!!!!!

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I actually feel worse for Williams than for anybody within the Redskins franchise. I guess I was one of the few who believed he should have been the HC w/ Saunders staying on w/ total control of the offense. I truly believe Snyder's massive ego got in the way because Williams came across as so confident in his own leadership.

I hope Williams gets his shot w/ a great franchise.

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Williams' blitzing scheme heavy defenses were never a good fit for Jacksonville. Hope he does well in his next town.

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Williams is a great coach in my opinion, but I don't think we'd be any better off if he was the HC and Blache was the DC. I think we'd be prone to the same sort of mistakes the offense has made in the last three weeks with them as we would be with Zorn/Blache.

Williams to Blache has been a significant downgrade.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511787]Williams is a great coach in my opinion, but I don't think we'd be any better off if he was the HC and Blache was the DC. I think we'd be prone to the same sort of mistakes the offense has made in the last three weeks with them as we would be with Zorn/Blache.

[B]Williams to Blache has been a significant downgrade[/B].[/quote]

You think so? It seems to me that our defense has played at a level consistent with the last several seasons, playing the familiar role of keeping us in games while our offense sputters. While the complexity of the schemes has certainly been scaled back I don't necessarily think that has always been a bad thing.

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[quote=djnemo65;511795]You think so? It seems to me that our defense has played at a level consistent with the last several seasons, playing the familiar role of keeping us in games while our offense sputters. While the complexity of the schemes has certainly been scaled back I don't necessarily think that has always been a bad thing.[/quote]The defense has played well this year, but Blache does doesn't understand defense, even 10% of what Williams does. He's predictable, they can't change out of his piss poor calls, and he's particually ineffective on third downs when we need to get off the field. I like him as a line coach, but he's got to go as our coordinator.

Springs came back, and benched Rogers so he could play his boys, Hall and Mike Green. Then, with our three best CBs healthy, he's got Smoot covering Houshmanzadeh and Hall on Chad Johnson.

When our defense plays this poorly against the Bengals offense, I don't think we can defend him coming back. I don't think the unit as a whole is poorly coached, but every offensive coordinator we face outcoaches Blache, which was never an issue with Williams.

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Other coaches have made mistakes, but Blache is the only one I feel we can't win with in the future.

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[quote=Mattyk72;511024]They've had a rough year all around in Jax, I wonder if Del Rio could be next.[/quote]

You haven't been noticing my custom user title these last few days?

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[quote=SmootSmack;511866]You haven't been noticing my custom user title these last few days?[/quote]

Oh I saw it, I was just trying to steal your thunder ;)

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GW is a very good coach. He obviously demand alot of his players. We know that. Getting in to a new situation, he might have ruffled some feathers.

I'd welcome him back at any time. Blache has done a good job though.

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[quote=Paintrain;511021][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3768691&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines"]ESPN - Sources: Jacksonville Jaguars' defensive boss Greg Williams won't be back[/URL]

Apparently the 2nd 'G' is for GONE![/quote]

i will take him back over blache or zorn any day of the week. i hate our coaching staff without him.

can we ever make a right decision

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[quote=skinsfan69;511600]Del Rio changes coordinators like he changes underwear.[/quote]

Or is it leather jackets?

Del Rio's days are numbered in Jville.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;511886]i will take him back over blache or zorn any day of the week. i hate our coaching staff without him.

can we ever make a right decision[/quote]

And firing him the following year. He's not the answer.

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[quote=Mattyk72;511868]Oh I saw it, I was just trying to steal your thunder ;)[/quote]

Of course :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;511940]Of course :)[/quote]Are you subtly agreeing that Blache must go? Press '1' for yes, or '2' for no.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511816].

Springs came back, and benched Rogers so he could play his boys, Hall and Mike Green. Then, with our three best CBs healthy, he's got Smoot covering Houshmanzadeh and Hall on Chad Johnson.[/quote]


i saw an interview with blach and he was asked about rogers lack of playing time in this game. blach said that rogers has been sick with the flu all last week and part of this week and as a result rogers was just too weak to play many downs.

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[quote=wolfeskins;511962]i saw an interview with blach and he was asked about rogers lack of playing time in this game. blach said that rogers has been sick with the flu all last week and part of this week and as a result rogers was just too weak to play many downs.[/quote]Good enough reason for me, but the NFL might want to know why that wasn't on the injury report.

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It will ALL make for an interesting off-season

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[quote=GTripp0012;511964]Good enough reason for me, but the NFL might want to know why that wasn't on the injury report.[/quote]


yea, i don't know if they have to put him on the injury list for having the flu. are they supposed to ?

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[quote=wolfeskins;511973]yea, i don't know if they have to put him on the injury list for having the flu. are they supposed to ?[/quote]Yeah, and because of the lobbying power that Vegas has within the NFL, teams can get in hot water over this.

Of course, he might have been fine all week and Blache could have been dodging the question, but that's not my job to sort out.

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I would personally love to have Greg Williams back. He was the only man for the redskins job and Snyder blew it last year. He learned from coach Gibbs how to deal with players, and he had the defense and offense ready to walk through a wall for him in the aftermath of the Taylor tragetity and Gibbs retirement. If he would have became head coach I think he would of clashed with Vinny big time.

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I'd take GW back in a heartbeat. Blache has been terrible. He sends the team on blitzes more than any other coordinator in the league yet we still rank near the bottom in sacks. He doesn't have an understanding of how to cover the hots while sending pressure. We consistently get burned on hot routes because the blitzes are too predictable. He's not creative enough with his blitz schemes, the pressure always comes evenly across the line of scrimmage, never overloading one side or another, and never disguising very well.

One thing you totally do not see anymore with GW gone: London Fletcher making presnap movements. I never see D-linemen shifting before the snap. GW and Fletcher were like one mind, Fletch knew exactly where to move his teammates. I don't see that now, and it hurts us most on 8 minute clock killing 4th quarter drives when our linemen are caught away from the point of attack.

Blache has to be fired, and if Zorn doesn't get it together over these final two games, I'm coming for his head too.

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Both Greggs are very good coaches. I like both of them and believe GW will do fine somewhere else. Blanche has done a good job putting the players we have in position to make plays. The problem is none of our playmakers are on the D line. If you look at the D stats from last year and this year, their almost exactly the same, and Blanche and company have done it without ST. So I disagree completely with any notion of change for the DC position. I completely agree with adding some studs to the D line.

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Gregg Williams is a talented D Coordinator but with his personality I think that his act gets old after a while and players start tuning him out. Plus there comes a point where management gets tired of his crap after a while too.

I know a diehard Bills fan, trust me we did not want him as a head coach.

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I know Blache is no G-Williams and there are somethings that defense should be doing; but I honestly believe we would have been with a losing record earlier in the season if it weren't for our defense.

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[quote=Otis Wonsley;512678]Gregg Williams is a talented D Coordinator but with his personality I think that his act gets old after a while and players start tuning him out. Plus there comes a point where management gets tired of his crap after a while too.

I know a diehard Bills fan, trust me we did not want him as a head coach.[/quote]

True, although some say that he changed, or at least tempered, his abrasive personality during his years with Gibbs. I think even Williams himself has admitted as much.

I doubt Williams will return here, but it's not entirely out the realm of possibility. In fact, I would say I wouldn't at all be surprised. He still has a tight bond with the players. Contrary to popular belief, he and Snyder get along fine and if Zorn were to be let go (which I think is probably at around 80% right now) then there are only a couple of coaches out there who Snyder could go after that would be able to mitigate, to some extent, the pr damage that would be done if Zorn was not the coach next season (whatever the reason may be).

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[quote=The Goat;511653]I actually feel worse for Williams than for anybody within the Redskins franchise. I guess I was one of the few who believed he should have been the HC w/ Saunders staying on w/ total control of the offense. I truly believe Snyder's massive ego got in the way because Williams came across as so confident in his own leadership.

I hope Williams gets his shot w/ a great franchise.[/quote]

So its once again Snyders fault and Williams not lasting in Jax is probably Snyders fault too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;512892]True, although some say that he changed, or at least tempered, his abrasive personality during his years with Gibbs. I think even Williams himself has admitted as much.

I doubt Williams will return here, but it's not entirely out the realm of possibility. In fact, I would say I wouldn't at all be surprised. He still has a tight bond with the players. Contrary to popular belief, he and Snyder get along fine and if Zorn were to be let go[B] (which I think is probably at around 80% right now)[/B] then there are only a couple of coaches out there who Snyder could go after that would be able to mitigate, to some extent, the pr damage that would be done if Zorn was not the coach next season (whatever the reason may be).[/quote]


Really? You think the the probability is that high? The reason the skins have sucked for so many years, is that they lack a cohesive strategy, they eventually are going to have stick with one coach/system if they want to win.

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[quote=Stacks42;512955]Really? You think the the probability is that high? The reason the skins have sucked for so many years, is that they lack a cohesive strategy, they eventually are going to have stick with one coach/system if they want to win.[/quote]
Well if it was lack of a cohesive strategy why did we do so good at the begining of the year only to have problem in the second half of the year? You would think just the oposit would have happened if this was the case.

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i think he couldnt get it goin in Jacksonville because of personell...they had severe secondary issues (Rashean Mathis also injured later in the year). I think our D would have flourished if we woulda kept his system. BRING EM BACK! BRING EM BACK!

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There are a few fundamental things I do not like about Blache's defenses.

1) They do not disguise anything. When a player is going to blitz they give it away by crowding the line of scrimmage, telegraphing that they are coming. They do not do a good job of disguising their coverages in the secondary and gap responsibilities on the D-line. That is just poor coaching. The element of suprise is very important in football. Only super talented teams can get away with telegraphing what they are going to do becasue they are going to beat you with shear superior ability. Sorry, we are not that good.

2) I do not like the way Blache has used some of his players. The obvious one, J. Taylor is not a strong side RDE. Put him where he blongs on the weakside RDE position. Playing Smoot over Hall and Springs. He has not situation substituted his LB's enough. I do like that he benched Rocky after a miserable 1st half last week, but itcame a game too late.
Rocky is a little light in the size department. Fincher played much more physical and played well in place of Rocky. I would play Finher and Blades on the outside on obvious running plays. Teams are going to continue to run at our DE's, so our OLB bettter be able to stop the run. Bring Rocky in on obvious pass plays to use his speed to cover backs.

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Maybe it's just mental masturbation but how wonderful would it be to add Peppers and Haynesworth to our line. Right now we have the potential to clear about $24 million in cap room which should be more then enough to sign both of them a top tier free agent lineman like Gross and resign Hall and Rogers to long term deals with low cap numbers in 2009. Especially with an uncapped year on the horizon. God I know it's highly unlikely but Haynesworth would give us a huge push up the middle while Peppers would give us someone big enough to play the Left side and get after the passer.

Man I really have gone crazy.