Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath
 

So, we're not mathematically eliminated yet. Whatever. At least last week at this time, we could say that if we won out, we would likely make the playoffs. Now, that's not even true. We're done.

So, we'll probably be drafting somewhere in the middle of the round. Discuss potential first round draft picks here.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511652]So, we're not mathematically eliminated yet. Whatever. At least last week at this time, we could say that if we won out, we would likely make the playoffs. Now, that's not even true. We're done.

So, we'll probably be drafting somewhere in the middle of the round. Discuss potential first round draft picks here.[/quote]

I didn't want them backing in, so I'm fine with it.

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I agree with you, this team needs a quality win over Philadelphia at home, not a playoff birth, to justify it's season.

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It's such a shame we'll have so few draft picks this year. I still think we need o-line talent from the 1st round; however, I'm starting wonder whether Zorn can really get a group of guys behind him i.e. the draft seems pretty incidental at this point. My intuition is there will be a lot of team changes before draft day.

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[quote=The Goat;511675]It's such a shame we'll have so few draft picks this year. I still think we need o-line talent from the 1st round; however, I'm starting wonder whether Zorn can really get a group of guys behind him i.e. the draft seems pretty incidental at this point. My intuition is there will be a lot of team changes before draft day.[/quote]Vinny has had a piss poor calendar year. I think he should get at least a second one, but if he's not significantly better next year, we can't afford to keep him around.

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I think we need to trade some players for more draft picks

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[quote=30gut;511683]I think we need to trade some players for more draft picks[/quote]Who wants these players?

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Trade Portis if you keep Zorn. Can Zorn, hire Cohwer and Portis runs for 2000+ yards next year...

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[quote=GTripp0012;511685]Who wants these players?[/quote]

You never know, we took the bait on Jason Taylor

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[quote=The Goat;511675]It's such a shame we'll have so few draft picks this year. I still think we need o-line talent from the 1st round; however, I'm starting wonder whether Zorn can really get a group of guys behind him i.e. the draft seems pretty incidental at this point. My intuition is there will be a lot of team changes before draft day.[/quote]


we have five out of seven picks. THat's not really that few.

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[quote=bjschmonsees;511686]Trade Portis if you keep Zorn. Can Zorn, hire Cohwer and Portis runs for 2000+ yards next year...[/quote]

You can't Portis would cost us $13 million in dead cap space. Either way Zorn is done. Not only has he lost the team but since the loss to Steelers our offense has averaged 11 points a game. As I've said in other threads the benefits Cowher will bring will be numerous but lately I also find myself with a man crush for Russ Grimm who essentially is in essence a Cowher-Gibbs hybrid. Of course my only concern is how much influence would he have in destroying the current front office structure. Cowher is a virtual gurantee to blow it up. Grimm is more likely to slightly shake it up though I wouldn't mind seeing the team hire a guy like Phil Savage should he become available.

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[quote=30gut;511699]You never know, we took the bait on Jason Taylor[/quote]We can't trade with ourselves. There was no market for Jason Taylor, like there's no market for Taylor, Springs, Washington, Daniels, Rabach, Betts, and Moss right now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511705]We can't trade with ourselves. There was no market for Jason Taylor, like there's no market for Taylor, Springs, Washington, Daniels, Rabach, Betts, and Moss right now.[/quote]

Well I would argue that Moss could easily generate some type of market value but the rest of those guys you mentioned have virtually little trade value short of a 7th round pick, if that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511685]Who wants these players?[/quote]


Hey, someone might. I'd say Randle El should be on the block, maybe Betts, possibly Springs. They'd be taking a chance on him being healthy but he's still solid.

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[quote=MrJL;511708]Hey, someone might. I'd say Randle El should be on the block, maybe Betts, possibly Springs. They'd be taking a chance on him being healthy but he's still solid.[/quote]

No matter what happens, El will be cut...

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511707]Well I would argue that Moss could easily generate some type of market value but the rest of those guys you mentioned have virtually little trade value short of a 7th round pick, if that.[/quote]

I bet Betts could get a fourth.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511707]Well I would argue that Moss could easily generate some type of market value but the rest of those guys you mentioned have virtually little trade value short of a 7th round pick, if that.[/quote]I'd put him on the block and see what we could get, but I doubt that we get a 3rd or better, which is what I'd need to deal him if I was in charge.

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[quote=bjschmonsees;511710]No matter what happens, El will be cut...[/quote]

What makes you say that. At this point it would be virtually pointless. He's still productive and on top of that he would provide us with about $6 million worth of dead cap. Plus if Cowher comes over you can bet your ass that he's not going anywhere.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511704]You can't Portis would cost us $13 million in dead cap space. Either way Zorn is done. [/quote]

That's my point. Portis is here. Cowher would run him for 2000+ yards.

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Speaking of the draft. The ultimate irony would be finding a way to get Sam Bradford and have him play for the Redskins. Oh well, think about for a second it'll come to you.

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[quote=bjschmonsees;511719]That's my point. Portis is here. Cowher would run him for 2000+ yards.[/quote]

wait a minute, if we traded him we'd still take a cap hit? THat's stupid. A trade is just transfering a contract, it should all go to the other team.

And Cowher coaches defense not offense, plus everyone would have to learn another system. So, no he wouldn't get 200 yards.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511716]What makes you say that. At this point it would be virtually pointless. He's still productive and on top of that he would provide us with about $6 million worth of dead cap. Plus if Cowher comes over you can bet your ass that he's not going anywhere.[/quote]

I feel he's very ineffective on punt returns, and on receptions he seems to have reached number 4 as an option behind Moss, Cooley and whoever's at running back.

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Got to shore up the O and D- Lines.
Stop with flashy and go with solid.

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[quote=MrJL;511727]wait a minute, if we traded him we'd still take a cap hit? THat's stupid. A trade is just transfering a contract, it should all go to the other team.

And Cowher coaches defense not offense, plus everyone would have to learn another system. So, no he wouldn't get 200 yards.[/quote]


When you trade a player, all of the remaining signing bonus counts towards the trading team's current salay cap. So we cannot trade Portis...

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DRAFT TALK .. it's f*cking December .. how can everyone have such "great" ideas for next season without even letting this shit storm fully settle .. this team was 6-2 .. this is bad .. real bad .. this team went from guts and never say die (gibbs) to reminding me of a norv turner team .. i'm more than dissapointed .. i'm devastated .. anyone who thinks we have anything to trade is hurting in the brain dept.. there are hardly ever any NFL trades .. it's a mess on both lines .. go out and BUY a D-LINE and O-LINE.. i don't who is available or going to be available .. but I think the bashing of our draft picks in 08 isn't going to help much .. DT #11 will be solid .. so will FD#86 .. I believed in Zorn hole heartedly .. but this was really put a black cloud over him .. the bashing of Portis .. the never throw down field mentality .. 4 weeks ago I would have said Cowher was a pipe dream .. now i'm not so sure

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[quote=DCtoAZ;511738]DRAFT TALK .. it's f*cking December .. how can everyone have such "great" ideas for next season without even letting this shit storm fully settle .. this team was 6-2 .. this is bad .. real bad .. this team went from guts and never say die (gibbs) to reminding me of a norv turner team .. i'm more than dissapointed .. i'm devastated .. anyone who thinks we have anything to trade is hurting in the brain dept.. there are hardly ever any NFL trades .. it's a mess on both lines .. go out and BUY a D-LINE and O-LINE.. i don't who is available or going to be available .. but I think the bashing of our draft picks in 08 isn't going to help much .. DT #11 will be solid .. so will FD#86 .. I believed in Zorn hole heartedly .. but this was really put a black cloud over him .. the bashing of Portis .. the never throw down field mentality .. 4 weeks ago I would have said Cowher was a pipe dream .. now i'm not so sure[/quote]


I saw Campbell set up to throw down field four or five times today. He ended up checking down or throwing intermediate passes.

As for trades, on draft day trades happen quite often. I'm not talking trading player for player, I'm talking players for picks or sweetening a draft pick deal.

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We [B]need[/B] a influx of talent. By that I mean getting quality free agents like Hanyesworth and T. Suggs. Draft an offensive lineman with the 1st pick, trade Betts for a few picks, and re- sign Hall.

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All I know at this point is, with the way we're playing we should be able to get a high quality player with our first pick.

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[quote=vallin21;511758]We [B]need[/B] a influx of talent. By that I mean getting quality free agents like Hanyesworth and T. Suggs. Draft an offensive lineman with the 1st pick, trade Betts for a few picks, and re- sign Hall.[/quote]

Not gonna happen. Haynesworth and Suggs are going to command top dollar and, based on my review of our cap situation, we will not be able to afford to sign two guys of that caliber. Besides, I don't think the Ravens and Titans will let those guys go. As for trading Betts, we wouldn't get more than a 5th round or, at best, a 4th rounder for him. Finally, I'm not sure Hall will re-sign with us. He wants to play for a winning team and, right now, we look like one of the worst teams in the league. Unless Hall really wants to play for the team he grew up rooting for, I think there's a decent chance he'll leave in the offseason.

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If Vinny Cerratto and Daniel Snyder handle another offseason, we will be even worse next season. We are slowly degenerating back to pre-Gibbs years. How much longer will Snyder allow Vinny to be GM?

This is an ego issue. By firing Cerrato, Snyder would have to (1) admit he has been wrong about Cerratto all these years. (2)In order to hire a qualified GM and have a qualified GM want to work here, Snyder would have to let that GM run things with out his interefrence. I am not sure Snyder wants that. Having Cerratto here, he can control him and the Skins.

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Tyson Jackson would be intriguing cause he can play inside and outside

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[quote=30gut;511699]You never know, we took the bait on Jason Taylor[/quote]Just as we took the bait and traded two draft picks each for Brandon Lloyd and T.J. Duckett. There aren't too many other teams out there that piss away as many draft choices for non-productive veterans.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;511771]Tyson Jackson would be intriguing cause he can play inside and outside[/quote]

You would know about them Tigers wouldn't you?

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[url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2009]KFFL - 2009 NFL Free Agents[/url]

according to this, golston and montgomery are RFA's, honestly not sure if we've since gave them an extension or not. anyways, if they are still RFA's is there any chance either can be tendered to a higher pick? otherwise if someone signed them i believe it would be a 5th and 6th round pick respectively.

addressing the OP, id probably go with an offensive or defensive lineman. Michael Johnson (DE, GT) and Eugene Monroe (OT, UVA) could be there in the middle of the first. they probably will go earlier but who knows after workouts. Id possibly even go with Maualuga from USC at linebacker as Fletcher's potential replacement when he is done or to play in washington's spot

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;511771]Tyson Jackson would be intriguing cause he can play inside and outside[/quote]
He's an intriguing player, but I think we already have a guy like him in Demetric Evans.

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Since we don't have a 2nd rounder, I think we need to trade down a little to try to pick up two late first rounders somehow, and get a starting RT and LG.
Honestly though, we need so much more young talent that we have the draft picks for. It's kind of sad. Almost as sad as losing to the Bengels.

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[quote=MrJL;511703]we have five out of seven picks. THat's not really that few.[/quote]
We only have four. 1,3,5,6. we gave up the 2 for Taylor, the 4 for Kendall, adn the 7 for James.

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We could have 20 picks in April and with the talent evaluators this team has, we would still screw it up!

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[quote=RMSkins;511789]He's an intriguing player, but I think we already have a guy like him in Demetric Evans.[/quote]


you can never have too many guys like that

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trade springs, are and betts for fourth rounders.
trade the first pick for more picks lower in the draft

cut smoot, washington, thrash, et al

sign haynesworth and vilma

draft o line, d line and lb