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we can sit here and accept this disappointment for 4 more years or we can just blow it up now before the heartache. get rid of them all.....zorn, blache, danny smith, the entire staff......it wont hurt anyone, this just reminds me of norv turner all over again. nice guy but a loser. i cant stand watching his short yardage mentality, playcalling, and most of all his personell in those situations. he needs to go and blache doesnt have the players playing with the will that gregg williams had them playing with. i wish we could blame it on something else but a coaching change takes less turnaround time than personell change.......blow it up.

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oh and we need a quarterback too, or we can just watch jc be ok his hole career.

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Not only a retarded thread but a gay one as well.

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everyone on the offensive side of the ball should be traded or release except campbell, portis, cooley, and sellers. The defensive is fine, just get rebuild the entire defensive line.

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Get rid of all the Miami Hurricanes.

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Amen......All these fools who think Zorn and Campbell are the answer are ****ed up in the head. Bill Cowher should be the coach next year. Why waste any more time with these medicore players and coaches. Betts, ARE , Suisham, Campbell, Washington, Smoot, Plac, Thrash, Jansen, Rabach..........let me just stop right here, take a deep breath and walk away from my computer. Sorry for anyone who wasted time reading this.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;511906]Amen......All these fools who think Zorn and Campbell are the answer are ****ed up in the head. Bill Cowher should be the coach next year. Why waste any more time with these medicore players and coaches. Betts, ARE , Suisham, Campbell, Washington, Smoot, Plac, Thrash, Jansen, Rabach..........let me just stop right here, take a deep breath and walk away from my computer. Sorry for anyone who wasted time reading this.[/quote]So basically, why be mediocre now when we can be terrible now and mediocre later?

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Everyone just needs to get a grip and realize that we weren't as good as our record showed the beginning of the season. Like everyone else I got my hopes up thinking we were much better than we were. Things have been on the decline the last few weeks, but a coaching change is not the answer right now. Do we seriously want to throw another system into the mix for our team to learn? Of course not. Everyone take a deep breath.

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You could blow this team up fifty times and it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as Danny and Vinny are running the team...

This is a retarded thread....:benched:

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Age! our team is old and cant play all year!!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;511909]So basically, why be mediocre now when we can be terrible now and mediocre later?[/quote]

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;511928]GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.[/quote]Well, your solutions don't make me think you just want to win. Makes me think that as long as Snyder gets angry and spills his wrath everywhere and fires everyone, you'll feel better about this.

There's also the whole overreaction period that we're in now, before people start to realize that Campbell pitched a very good game today, and that the running game and run after catch game (Cooley) is what killed us today, not the passing game.

But at no point should it be suggested that we blow it all up. Though I'm not surprised that the thread-beginner thinks the way he does, he's generally not right about much.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511933] he's generally not right about much.[/quote]

Yeah, judging by this thread holcknowsleast.

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[quote=squrrelco3;511913]You could blow this team up fifty times and it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as Danny and Vinny are running the team...

This is a retarded thread....:benched:[/quote]Which is the main point.

We've got building blocks, and I believe the foundation of this team is strong, but we thought we'd be just a little further along than we are right now offensively.

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You know what, it all makes sense now. Let's:

-Let's replace our head coach, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's replace our Starting QB, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's sign some more big name free agents, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's draft a new punter because both ours sucked, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's call for Mr. Snyder to sell the team, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's replace all of our coaches, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's get rid of all our draft picks because they couldn't perform their first year,
because that hasn't been done.
- Let's keep all of our "Core Redskins" past their prime, because that hasn't been done.
- Let's chalk up a season to growing pains with a 1st year head coach, new offensive
scheme, old lines, because.....oh shit......that hasn't been done.

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No coach is really going to make much of a difference unless we change some FO fundamentals.

So, i'm changing the FO, but I don't see it.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;511928]GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.[/quote]

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

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[quote=redskinsgirl;511960]Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.[/quote]Good post and analysis, thanks.

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the skins need to keep the coaching staff (for the most part)but the skins do need to get rid of some players like suishum,jansen,washington,springs and a few others. the skins need to upgrade the o-line, the d-line and the kicking game.

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Not only is does this thread have special needs (retarded is no longer the preferred nomenclature) but it is GAY. As in it goes on dates with other men.

People have made this argument before in the past when things haven't been going well and I've never understood how it makes more sense to cut our good players and draft their replacements when we can just keep them and draft their replacements.

The one good thing about the Redskins losing is that it's good for a laugh around here. The crazies come out of the basement...

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[quote=wolfeskins;511971]the skins need to keep the coaching staff (for the most part)but the skins do need to get rid of some players like suishum,jansen,washington,springs and a few others. the skins need to upgrade the o-line, the d-line and the kicking game.[/quote]

At the very least I see major over haul of the assistant coaches. I don't see many of the current Off assistants staying and I could see Zorn bringing assistant from Seattle to replace them. I think Blanche retires and we have to find a new D staff.

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Here is how I feel, I have been a life long 30 year Redskins fan and UVA fan. I have been watching mediocre football for almost half my life. I think we need a few core changes.

1. Coach. I know I will get crushed for this but we need someone with emotion. Someone who reminds these guys that they are playing a tough sport and not just a paycheck.

2. DEPTH! Look at these other teams, they have fresh guys who can come in and make plays. We have Portis and Santana but literally it stops there. Not one capable backup.

3. Some sort of line. Campbell is a fine QB, but right now he is looking around and rushing because he basically has no time to get rid of the ball. He has regressed this because he is basically a tackling dummy for the other team.

We are an old tired team. Its time to drop Vinny and get a real GM in here. He plays real football like it is a game of madden. Signing veterans and trading for older player with draft picks. We are basically an emotional roller coaster.

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In all honesty didn't most of us think at the beginning of the year we would be a team that might not make the playoffs? Growing pains are going to happen no matter who you bring in.

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[quote=NM Redskin;511980]At the very least I see major over haul of the assistant coaches. I don't see many of the current Off assistants staying and I could see Zorn bringing assistant from Seattle to replace them. I think Blanche retires and we have to find a new D staff.[/quote]

yea, i could see some assistant coaches leaving.

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Though I will say this: Zorn's absolute refusal to run in short yardage is very reminiscent of Saunders.

Zorn was very successful running in short yardage earlier in the season. It wouldn't kill him to get back to it, but he does know the team better than I do.

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[quote=redskinsgirl;511960]Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.[/quote]

If you think JC is better than Jake Delhomme your sadly mistaken. I think JC should have some competition next preseason. I do agree we have other major issue's to address in the draft. Colt will be #2 next year. If JC struggles you won't see him again unless Colt gets hurt. LISTEN... EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T. JC DOES NOT.....YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE.....just an O.K. Qb.

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The biggest problem of the Snyder era is the lack of continuity with the exception of the Gibbs 2.0 years. Blowing it up again just sets us back another year where we start with new system, and presumably many new players. We have some nice pieces to build upon, but are woefully lacking on both the O and D lines. As disappointed as I am, I want to see Zorn remain, and the team continue to learn how to run the WCO, which typically takes 2-3 years before everyone is on the same page and running like clockwork. Blowing it up now would be the immature, pre-Gibbs approach that Snyder took nearly every season. Continuity is key, regardless of how we feel today.

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[quote=redsk1;511944]No coach is really going to make much of a difference unless we change some FO fundamentals.

So, i'm changing the FO, but I don't see it.[/quote]

With Cowher we get both, considering that one of the conditions that Cowher has stated for taking a job is that he wants total control over personnel.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511999]With Cowher we get both, considering that one of the conditions that Cowher has stated for taking a job is that he wants total control over personnel.[/quote]What makes you think that Cowher is an upgrade in the front office over Cerrato? Outside of Andy Reid, is there any situation where having a coach also handle personnel duties has acutally worked?

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;511992]If you think JC is better than Jake Delhomme your sadly mistaken. I think JC should have some competition next preseason. I do agree we have other major issue's to address in the draft. Colt will be #2 next year. If JC struggles you won't see him again unless Colt gets hurt. LISTEN... EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T. JC DOES NOT.....YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE.....just an O.K. Qb.[/quote]Campbell is a lot better than Jake Delhomme. It's not even close this year, and Delhomme even has Steve Smith.

What is this either you have it or you don't garbage? Campbell has most if not all of the qualities a good QB needs. You can't [I]make up[/I] a dualism: good QBs and bad QBs, and then assert that Campbell is an "Ok" QB and belongs in neither category.

Congratulations, you just broke multiple logical rules...that we're created by you and are likely wrong and oversimplifed to begin with.

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[quote=GTripp0012;512003]Campbell is a lot better than Jake Delhomme. It's not even close this year, and Delhomme even has Steve Smith.

What is this either you have it or you don't garbage? Campbell has most if not all of the qualities a good QB needs. You can't [I]make up[/I] a dualism: good QBs and bad QBs, and then assert that Campbell is an "Ok" QB and belongs in neither category.

Congratulations, you just broke multiple logical rules...that we're created by you and are likely wrong and oversimplifed to begin with.[/quote]

You honestly think Campbell is or will be an elite QB in the NFL. Wow.
Jake has battled injuries this year by the way and yes he is having average season but he took his team to the ****ing Super Bowl and a Conference Championship game by his 5th year. This is Campbell's 4th year. So how is JC better. Please explain why. You seem to have all the answers. Not to mention the Panthers are 11-3 this year with Jake at Qb.

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I have to say to all those who say they don’t want a major restructure of this team that I really admire your optimism. We have just watched our team loose to one of the worst teams in the NFL, after a series of other really disappointing loses and all you think we need to do is wait, to give it some time and anybody who disagrees with this insightful remedy is described as retarded. I think you guys need a reality check. This team is going backwards very quickly and has been for weeks.

A lot of you Zorn fans go on about this being Zorn’s rookie year as a HC and that 8-8 or even 7-9 would be a great result. I would say this could be right under different circumstances but not under these circumstances.

Scenario 1 – New HC comes in to a disunited franchise that hasn’t been in the play offs for years and has no continuity with players or coaching staff. He gets off to a really bad start and at the mid way point of the season he is 1-7. But what he has done during that time is pull the team and other coaches around him and get them to buy into him and his scheme. The second half of the season we go 6-2, the team starts playing dynamic football and we are definitely heading in the right direction after a 7-9 season

Scenario 2 – New HC comes in to a franchise that has been to the playoffs twice in the last four years. He is following a HOF coach who managed to establish discipline throughout the franchise and he inherits pretty much the whole of the last year’s playoff team and a bunch of coaches that are (used to be at least) thought of as talented. This team has an elite Defence and a running game that is respected throughout the league. He is told that all he has to do is bring in an updated passing game and we are ready to take the next step. The new HC gets off to a really hot start and by midway he is 6-2. Then however the other teams catch on to his playbook. Has he got a plan B, can he change it around, has he got any fresh ideas. Sadly no and for the remainder of the season we go 1-7. He doesn’t recognise that this run of losses has anything to do with him and his dreadful and predictable play calling. Instead he starts to blame his players for poor execution. As the slide in results gets worse, in an effort to demonstrate his authority and to shift the blame for the loses he starts benching franchise players who are to banged up to practice during the week. Due to this he starts to loose the dressing room and so by the end of the year we have a disunited team that is heading into the future with a very bleak outlook for returning to the playoffs anytime soon after a 7-9 season.

Two very different ways to get to the same point

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[quote=skinsfan1987;511898]everyone on the offensive side of the ball should be traded or release except campbell, portis, cooley, and sellers. [B]The defensive is fine, just get rebuild the entire defensive line.[/B][/quote]

Maybe the worst sentence i've ever seen.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;512022]You honestly think Campbell is or will be an elite QB in the NFL. Wow.
Jake has battled injuries this year by the way and yes he is having average season but he took his team to the ****ing Super Bowl and a Conference Championship game by his 5th year. This is Campbell's 4th year. So how is JC better. Please explain why. You seem to have all the answers. Not to mention the Panthers are 11-3 this year with Jake at Qb.[/quote]

I agree. Campbell is in his 4th year, and I am afraid this is as good as he is going to get. He has in my opinion above average weapons on offense. He is slow to make decisions, which often cause him to throw behind or into tight coverage. He does not feel pressure well in the pocket and is not quick of feet. He has a long baseball pitcher type throwing motion which would be fine if he made quick decisions but he doesn't. What I like least about him is his lack of emotion on the field and in the huddle. I think his stoic behavior would be of benefit in a big game, but he won't ever be in one. He doesn't seem to have any fire in his belly. I think it's time to see what Colt can do.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511909]So basically, why be mediocre now when we can be terrible now and mediocre later?[/quote]


Thing is maybe the Zorn bashers have a point GTripp. The guy might be in over his head. Snyder and co got rid of Norv after only one playoff appearance in what 10 seasons? It was Norv's turn to go. Marty was shown the door because of a power struggle. Dumb move on Snyder's part, but he is the owner and if he doesn't want the coach to be the GM also, that is his business. Spurrier quit as did Gibbs, so in actuality Snyder really only messed up with Marty. Zorn should be given another year in my opinion, but I am not Snyder. As for JC, right now he is ranked 13th in passing yards, not bad, but his post bye performance has been ho hum. Wasn't he like top 5 during the 6-2 run? I also say give him all of '09 to prove himself, and if '09 sucks, both guys should be packing. It sucks that this stuff isn't panning out, but Snyder really wasted a lot of time in hiring gimmick coaches after firing Marty. Spurrier was the exotic experiment that supposedly was going to change the NFL and that fizzled. Gibbs II was a nice gimmick to get the fans excited again, but that too fell short on expectations. Lightning doesn't strike twice. I can feel Snyder's dilemna though. His big question is does Zorn have theright stuff to be HC or is he just a perpetual assistant. One more year will tell the tale, but Snyder might not want to wait one more season to find out. I mean this team has collapsed already. If it gets uglier Snyder might just have to pull the plug on good ole Zorny.

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It's time for this team to get younger on both sides of the ball period. if it means starting colt brennan next year with a young offensive line and wide receivers, then do it.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;512022]You honestly think Campbell is or will be an elite QB in the NFL. Wow.
Jake has battled injuries this year by the way and yes he is having average season but he took his team to the ****ing Super Bowl and a Conference Championship game by his 5th year. This is Campbell's 4th year. So how is JC better. Please explain why. You seem to have all the answers. Not to mention the Panthers are 11-3 this year with Jake at Qb.[/quote]Delhomme is a turnover machine. He's got 11 INTs this year, and he's done it against very soft defenses. His TD production is basically just Jason Campbell's but with the propensity to turn the ball over more often.

Yes, Delhomme has had better seasons than this. However, Campbell's best seasons are ahead of him, and he's doing better this year with less than Delhomme.

I don't think he'll ever be Manning/Brady/Romo type good, but I'd take him over Roethlisberger, McNabb, maybe even Carson Palmer. If he played in the AFC East, he'd be the best or second best QB right now.

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[quote=ElkridgeSkins;512070]I agree. Campbell is in his 4th year, and I am afraid this is as good as he is going to get. He has in my opinion above average weapons on offense. He is slow to make decisions, which often cause him to throw behind or into tight coverage. He does not feel pressure well in the pocket and is not quick of feet. He has a long baseball pitcher type throwing motion which would be fine if he made quick decisions but he doesn't. What I like least about him is his lack of emotion on the field and in the huddle. I think his stoic behavior would be of benefit in a big game, but he won't ever be in one. He doesn't seem to have any fire in his belly. I think it's time to see what Colt can do.[/quote]Thanks for your opinion, but I don't think I agree with a single assertion you made. I don't think he's got above average weapons, he clearly feels pressure very well, and I dont really care if he throws underhanded as long as he stays right on the development curve he's already on.

I don't think you know that a QB generally keeps improving until about his 8th to 10th year in the NFL, but I'm sure the trained eye that tells you he doesn't have good pocket presence also tells you that he's going to stop learning all of a sudden.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;512074]Thing is maybe the Zorn bashers have a point GTripp. The guy might be in over his head. Snyder and co got rid of Norv after only one playoff appearance in what 10 seasons? It was Norv's turn to go. Marty was shown the door because of a power struggle. Dumb move on Snyder's part, but he is the owner and if he doesn't want the coach to be the GM also, that is his business. Spurrier quit as did Gibbs, so in actuality Snyder really only messed up with Marty. Zorn should be given another year in my opinion, but I am not Snyder. As for JC, right now he is ranked 13th in passing yards, not bad, but his post bye performance has been ho hum. Wasn't he like top 5 during the 6-2 run? I also say give him all of '09 to prove himself, and if '09 sucks, both guys should be packing. It sucks that this stuff isn't panning out, but Snyder really wasted a lot of time in hiring gimmick coaches after firing Marty. Spurrier was the exotic experiment that supposedly was going to change the NFL and that fizzled. Gibbs II was a nice gimmick to get the fans excited again, but that too fell short on expectations. Lightning doesn't strike twice. I can feel Snyder's dilemna though. His big question is does Zorn have theright stuff to be HC or is he just a perpetual assistant. One more year will tell the tale, but Snyder might not want to wait one more season to find out. I mean this team has collapsed already. If it gets uglier Snyder might just have to pull the plug on good ole Zorny.[/quote]I agree that one more year will tell the tale, GF, but I doubt many people he would be able to see the improvement even if Zorn showed it.

I'm officially undecided on Zorn. But a lot of people have already decided he doesn't have it, which is obviously premature, but either way, I'm skeptical of these type of opinions by nature.

Never ever judge your head coach by his most difficult times. Wait until things improve, then look back and see who was at fault.

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Players better wake the F up these last 2 games and realize they're playing for their jobs for next year. I don't care that Rogers has been pretty good in coverage this year, his inability to come up with INTs is hurting us, and I definitely would not want to offer this guy big money when his deal is up. We need playmakers on D, we need guys that can get after the passer, and guys that can protect our own damn passer.