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Watching this Giants-Cowboys game and the thinking is he was the right man for this job. I hope after this season we look at this guy as the next head coach instead of Bill Cowher. He would be cheaper and this guy brings pressure like no one. He would do wonders with a defense led by Fletcher, Taylor, Carter, New Defensive Tackle (draft or free agent), Hall, Rogers and Landry!! I believe we have more athletes than the Giants do but hey they have a better scheme. I know we want consistency but Zorn and Campbell both need to go. Spagnuolo, Eagles QB coach as defensive coordinator and an assistant from Giants that he may bring with him to be the defensive coordinator would be alright heading into the future. Also m a new special teams coach. What do you guys think?

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He didn't want to come here before, what would change his mind now?

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He turned is down last year. No reason to think he'd accept again. Also no reason to think Danny has the humility to offer him the gig again after being shot down once already.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;512004]Watching this Giants-Cowboys game and the thinking is he was the right man for this job. I hope after this season we look at this guy as the next head coach instead of Bill Cowher. He would be cheaper and this guy brings pressure like no one. He would do wonders with a defense led by Fletcher, Taylor, Carter, New Defensive Tackle (draft or free agent), Hall, Rogers and Landry!! [B]I believe we have more athletes than the Giants do but hey they have a better scheme. I know we want consistency but Zorn and Campbell both need to go[/B]. Spagnuolo, Eagles QB coach as defensive coordinator and an assistant from Giants that he may bring with him to be the defensive coordinator would be alright heading into the future. Also m a new special teams coach. What do you guys think?[/quote]I think you're missing the point. Having strong skill position players amounts to little if you aren't strong in the trenches. The Giants have invested in drafting both O and D linemen regularly, and are far superior in the trenches. That is why they are a winning team, and we are not.

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The reasons Spag's didn't come here last year is very different then the reasons we got turned down by Cowher. Cowher wanted total control, and Snyder respectfully declined. Spagnola just didn't like the organization and on top of that he didn't trust the front office and honestly this season has done nothing but make Spagnola thankful he didn't take the job. However I seriously doubt Spag's comes here short of Snyder finding a GM with a reputation for building a winner or at least someone who worked under a guy like AJ Smith.

Personally though I would love to see the team not only rebuild the front office but also manage to bring Spagnola to Ashburn.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;512029]The reasons Spag's didn't come here last year is very different then the reasons we got turned down by Cowher. Cowher wanted total control, and Snyder respectfully declined. Spagnola just didn't like the organization and on top of that he didn't trust the front office and honestly this season has done nothing but make Spagnola thankful he didn't take the job. However I seriously doubt Spag's comes here short of Snyder finding a GM with a reputation for building a winner or at least someone who worked under a guy like AJ Smith.

Personally though I would love to see the team not only rebuild the front office but also manage to bring Spagnola to Ashburn.[/quote]

Spags wanted to hire his own staff too, he didn't want to take the staff that was already in place.

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If Snyder is done with Zorn, I don't see any way he turns the team over to another guy with no head coaching experience.

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[quote=Beemnseven;512036]If Snyder is done with Zorn, I don't see any way he turns the team over to another guy with no head coaching experience.[/quote]

Not only that but why would Spagnuolo want to come to a dysfunctional franchise with an ASSCLOWN as our GM.

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If we get another coach, it will probably be Fossil. After seeing all the coaching mistakes, I think we probably would have been better off. Continuity sucked. I think what they ment by continuity was let the oline play until they were senior citizens.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;512062]If we get another coach, it will probably be Fossil. After seeing all the coaching mistakes, I think we probably would have been better off. Continuity sucked. I think what they ment by continuity was let the oline play until they were senior citizens.[/quote]

Please don't mention Fossil. The guy is such a sorry ass that he sent a letter to Al Davis asking to please hire him as a coach. NO THANKS!!

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3706260]ESPN - Jim Fassel's note to Al Davis: He wants to coach Oakland Raiders[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;512063]Please don't mention Fossil. The guy is such a sorry ass that he sent a letter to Al Davis asking to please hire him as a coach. NO THANKS!![/quote]
I am just saying that Snyder has wanted him forever, and probably feels pissed off, that he did not hire him all these times.

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Am I the only one here who thinks Zorn is safe because Snyder fears an Oakland-esque situation more than he fears that he was wrong on Zorn?

Obviously, this shouldn't matter in the discussion of doesn't Zorn deserve to keep his job or not, but I think it's an academic discussion because he isn't going anywhere.

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Didn't Cerrato really want Zorn?

Therefore if Snyder was to fire Zorn--doesn't he have to hold Cerrato accountable as well? And since I don't think Snyder will hold Cerrato's feet to the fire--I think Zorn is safe for next year...

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I hope he comes as a packaged deal with that DLine.

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i want to know why zorn should be fired? this his first year as a head coach and at worst we finish 7-9. i understand we started 6-2, but our team was not that good. he hasnt had a chance to get his personnel in here to run his system. i dont think campbell is the type of QB he wants to run his system. here is some food for thought here are some numbers of first year head coaches. Bill Walsh 1979 2-14; Bill Parcells 1983 3-12-1; Jimmy Johnson 1989 1-15; and our own Joe Gibbs 1981 8-8

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He took over a 9-7 team that went to the playoffs. He is 1-5 in the last six games. Our team looks like a high school team. Penelties and play calling that has resembled Spurrier. I think Zorn should never have been hired in the first place. I hope wether they fire him or not it works out, but I am skeptical that he is the right coach.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;512004]Watching this Giants-Cowboys game and the thinking is he was the right man for this job. I hope after this season we look at this guy as the next head coach instead of Bill Cowher. He would be cheaper and this guy brings pressure like no one. He would do wonders with a defense led by Fletcher, Taylor, Carter, New Defensive Tackle (draft or free agent), Hall, Rogers and Landry!! I believe we have more athletes than the Giants do but hey they have a better scheme. I know we want consistency but Zorn and Campbell both need to go. Spagnuolo, Eagles QB coach as defensive coordinator and an assistant from Giants that he may bring with him to be the defensive coordinator would be alright heading into the future. Also m a new special teams coach. What do you guys think?[/quote]

This thread is so stupid. The Giants won the SB for a reason. They had the best players. Our players are not as good as theirs. You talk about Taylor and Carter but you fail to realize that they're not top NFL pass rushers. Is he going to bring the Giants defensive line with him too?? Get real bro.

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[quote=skinsfan69;512092]This thread is so stupid. The Giants won the SB for a reason. They had the best players. Our players are not as good as theirs. You talk about Taylor and Carter but you fail to realize that they're not top NFL pass rushers. Is he going to bring the Giants defensive line with him too?? Get real bro.[/quote]Well, we absoultely don't have a Justin Tuck, but we have the rest of the pieces Spags has.

Now, obviously, having the best weapon in the NFL makes him look a lot smarter, but he knows what he's doing, I think.

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[quote=redskins5044;512083]i want to know why zorn should be fired? this his first year as a head coach and at worst we finish 7-9. i understand we started 6-2, but our team was not that good. he hasnt had a chance to get his personnel in here to run his system. i dont think campbell is the type of QB he wants to run his system. here is some food for thought here are some numbers of first year head coaches. Bill Walsh 1979 2-14; Bill Parcells 1983 3-12-1; Jimmy Johnson 1989 1-15; and our own Joe Gibbs 1981 8-8[/quote]

Might as well throw in Andy Reid 5-11

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GTripp:

Methinks you overestimate some of the Skins' players. Can any of the Skins' DTs really get any playing time on the Giants? Not without injuries...

Both DEs on the Giants - - Kiawanuka and Tuck - - are better than any/all of the DEs on the Skins. Hell, the Giants DL is good enough to make Philip Daniel look good - - and we know that didn't happen here.

At LB, it is a wash in the middle; both teams are strong there. But Blades and Rocky wouldn't start for the Giants on the outside. Not even close.

I think Spagnuolo is a very good DC - - better than Greg Blache and better than Gregg Williams and the equal of Jim Johnson in Philly - - AND he has superior talent to the Skins on the defensive side of the ball.

Ergo: Giants win the AFC East this year after a Super Bowl last year and Skins now need a miracle to sneak into the playoffs.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;512088][B]He took over a 9-7 team that went to the playoffs.[/B] He is 1-5 in the last six games. Our team looks like a high school team. Penelties and play calling that has resembled Spurrier. I think Zorn should never have been hired in the first place. I hope wether they fire him or not it works out, but I am skeptical that he is the right coach.[/quote]

See, I think that is part of the problem. Thinking that we were good last year because we went to the playoffs. 9-7? One less win and we would have been 8-8. I'm not sure we even deserved to go to the playoffs. We overachieved the last few games, I believe, because of the emotion over Seans death, and because Collins had been in Saunders system so long. Collins not only surprised us, but other teams as well. The fact is, we were pretty mediocre last year and with the rookies not contributing right away we are basically the same team, only learning yet another system. I don't know if he is the right coach either. I think he needs more time for us to find out.

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[quote=53Fan;512139]See, I think that is part of the problem. Thinking that we were good last year because we went to the playoffs. 9-7? One less win and we would have been 8-8. I'm not sure we even deserved to go to the playoffs. We overachieved the last few games, I believe, because of the emotion over Seans death, and because Collins had been in Saunders system so long. Collins not only surprised us, but other teams as well. The fact is, we were pretty mediocre last year and with the rookies not contributing right away we are basically the same team, only learning yet another system. I don't know if he is the right coach either. I think he needs more time for us to find out.[/quote]

I think ppl get too complacent over our last two "trips" to the playoffs, and forget that in both times we were the 6th seed. This team needs to be more proactive than reactive. If you have been the 6th seed in the playoffs for two years, then your goal should be to get into the playoffs at a higher seed and/or win your division.

The same goes for the way we "win" our games. This year we had all these wins by just a few points, and everyone was fine and dandy while this was going on, yet very few were concerned about the struggles and the games that were won on the last drive, on an opponent's missed field goal or an opponents failed last drive.

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Mr. Zorn,

Please execute your head out of your ass at a medium pace. I have seen hillbilly high school coaches call better games than you.

Swallow your pride, coach. If you're fortunate enough to keep your job with the Redskins next year, step down as play caller and find yourself a coordinator- preferably one that sits up in the booth and can see the field, doesn't run on every first and second down, and is well versed in the Gibbs-Holmgren-neo-funk-west-coast-hybrid-offense.

Oh, and challenge yourself. See if you and your new assistant can scheme up some crazy package that involves two rookies being on the field simultaneously.

Good luck,

Loyal Fan

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;512135]GTripp:

Methinks you overestimate some of the Skins' players. Can any of the Skins' DTs really get any playing time on the Giants? Not without injuries...

Both DEs on the Giants - - Kiawanuka and Tuck - - are better than any/all of the DEs on the Skins. Hell, the Giants DL is good enough to make Philip Daniel look good - - and we know that didn't happen here.

At LB, it is a wash in the middle; both teams are strong there. But Blades and Rocky wouldn't start for the Giants on the outside. Not even close.

I think Spagnuolo is a very good DC - - better than Greg Blache and better than Gregg Williams and the equal of Jim Johnson in Philly - - AND he has superior talent to the Skins on the defensive side of the ball.

Ergo: Giants win the AFC East this year after a Super Bowl last year and Skins now need a miracle to sneak into the playoffs.[/quote]I'd take Carter over Kiwanuka, who are pretty comparable. Robbins would be the best DT on the Skins, I think, but Cofield and Monty are pretty comparable, and I would take Golston and Griffin over whatever depth they have (Alford, Tollefson). Evans is better than Wynn, I hope.

Then it just comes down to Tuck vs. Taylor, which is no contest.

I agree that the Giants OLBs are much better.

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While I know that Zorn has kinda screwed the pooch this season (and I have said some bad things about him) for some reason I am still not totally opposed to having him for a second year. There definitely needs to be changes, but I still think Zorn deserves another shot. Oh, and I do not want that washed up piece of shit, Jim Fassel in Washington. Remember how well he did act offensive coordinator for the Ravens? When you look at it, he had two good years in New York, that's it.

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[quote=atomicnixon;512524]While I know that Zorn has kinda screwed the pooch this season (and I have said some bad things about him) for some reason I am still not totally opposed to having him for a second year. There definitely needs to be changes, but I still think Zorn deserves another shot. Oh, and I do not want that washed up piece of shit, Jim Fassel in Washington. [B]Remember how well he did act offensive coordinator for the Ravens? [/B]When you look at it, he had two good years in New York, that's it.[/quote]

That's because the Ravens never had much in the way of offensive personnel, much less a quarterback. That team was plagued with bad offenses for years before Fassel was ever a part of the organization. It would be like the first mate taking over the captain's chair on the Titanic on it's way down to the ocean floor and blaming him for the disaster.

I never understood the deep-rooted hatred for Jim Fassel. This was a guy who had a winning record against each of his NFC East opponents and guided his team to the Super Bowl. He accomplished way more than any coach in Washington has done since 1991, that's for sure.

When you look at the people who have had second chances at being head coach (Dave Wanstedt, Norv Turner, Art Shell) it's mystifying as to why Fassel hasn't had a second shot.

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[quote=Beemnseven;512530]That's because the Ravens never had much in the way of offensive personnel, much less a quarterback. That team was plagued with bad offenses for years before Fassel was ever a part of the organization. It would be like the first mate taking over the captain's chair on the Titanic on it's way down to the ocean floor and blaming him for the disaster.

I never understood the deep-rooted hatred for Jim Fassel. This was a guy who had a winning record against each of his NFC East opponents and guided his team to the Super Bowl. He accomplished way more than any coach in Washington has done since 1991, that's for sure.

When you look at the people who have had second chances at being head coach (Dave Wanstedt, Norv Turner, Art Shell) it's mystifying as to why Fassel hasn't had a second shot.[/quote]

Agree wholeheartedly. I was hoping we had picked him. But...bygones

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Spagnola has talent on his team. They have great management and a great game plan.

Belicheck, Noll, Lombardi, Landry, and Bill Parcells could all coach our team at the same time and not get much more out of them.

It starts at the top.

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[quote=redsk1;512630]Spagnola has talent on his team. They have great management and a great game plan.

Belicheck, Noll, Lombardi, Landry, and Bill Parcells could all coach our team at the same time and not get much more out of them.

It starts at the top.[/quote]

oh, and Joe Gibbs too!

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[quote=freddyg12;512634]oh, and Joe Gibbs too![/quote]

Too funny, I was going to put him in there and say, oops he couldn't either. He did get alot out of our team for the most part.

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hey sean 'big hurt' taylor...did it ever occur to you to give zorn and campbell more than 14 games to prove that they deserve to be a head coach and a starting quarterback respectively in the NFL?? In their first year, in a new system, with all new head coaches the Redskins are at .500 !!! did anyone expect that going into the season...lets be frank, last year's playoff run was inspirational but essentially a fluke as the Skins laid an egg against a clearly better Seahawks team that promptly lost to their next opponents...All this in an incredibly weak NFC. Zorn did not inherit a playoff team...he got a team that happened to have a lot of things go their way.

No way Zorn should get fired, he has done a tremendous job, he has put the onus on himself, Campbell will be a star in this league, give it another year at least...

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You lost me when you said he could do something withe Carter and Taylor. Sorry but these guys have wat 5 sacks this year and I think no matter what scheme you run these guys should have more sacks with bad coaching. Skill alone should get you 5 to 6 sacks each and they do not have that together.

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No disrespect but get you head out of.. you know. The team needs to stick with Zorn, address some personell issues, review what worked and didn't work for us this season, build some continuity and famliarity with Zorns wco, and I really believe that The Skins can improve to win 3 or 4 more games next year than this year. I know I'm being very optimistic here, but I do believe that [COLOR=red]IF[/COLOR] our personell issues with our lines are addressed, and with the foundation laid this season to impliment the wco, the Skins can become very successful. Hope Hope Hope...

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;512004]Watching this Giants-Cowboys game and the thinking is he was the right man for this job. I hope after this season we look at this guy as the next head coach instead of Bill Cowher. He would be cheaper and this guy brings pressure like no one. He would do wonders with a defense led by Fletcher, Taylor, Carter, New Defensive Tackle (draft or free agent), Hall, Rogers and Landry!! I believe we have more athletes than the Giants do but hey they have a better scheme. I know we want consistency but Zorn and Campbell both need to go. Spagnuolo, Eagles QB coach as defensive coordinator and an assistant from Giants that he may bring with him to be the defensive coordinator would be alright heading into the future. Also m a new special teams coach. What do you guys think?[/quote]


He brings pressure because he has the talent to do it. Think he can bring pressue with Andre Carter and a washed up Jason Taylor?

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[quote=Redskin Jim;512652]No disrespect but get you head out of.. you know. The team needs to stick with Zorn, address some personell issues, review what worked and didn't work for us this season, build some continuity and famliarity with Zorns wco, and I really believe that The Skins can improve to win 3 or 4 more games next year than this year. I know I'm being very optimistic here, but I do believe that [COLOR=red]IF[/COLOR] our personell issues with our lines are addressed, and with the foundation laid this season to impliment the wco, the Skins can become very successful. Hope Hope Hope...[/quote]

and if you through something in about execution I would totally believe I was in a Zorn press confrence.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;512652]No disrespect but get you head out of.. you know. The team needs to stick with Zorn, address some personell issues, review what worked and didn't work for us this season, build some continuity and famliarity with Zorns wco, and I really believe that The Skins can improve to win 3 or 4 more games next year than this year. I know I'm being very optimistic here, but I do believe that [COLOR=red]IF[/COLOR] our personell issues with our lines are addressed, and with the foundation laid this season to impliment the wco, the Skins can become very successful. Hope Hope Hope...[/quote]

I agree Jim. If we don't blow this thing up I expect to see vast improvement in our offense next year. More time in the WCO plus improvement from our rookies. The second year should show improvement from the first game to the last. You don't plant a seed then dig it up and plant another one before the first one had time to grow, it doesn't make sense. I expect a good year next year and a [B]really[/B] good year the next. If we address our line problems the won/lost record improves that much faster. If we had a consistent pass rush, all our D.B.'s would've probably made the Pro Bowl.

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..he's not available.He turned down Snyder last year..........won't happen!

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[quote=53Fan;512884]I agree Jim. If we don't blow this thing up I expect to see vast improvement in our offense next year. More time in the WCO plus improvement from our rookies. The second year should show improvement from the first game to the last. You don't plant a seed then dig it up and plant another one before the first one had time to grow, it doesn't make sense. I expect a good year next year and a [B]really[/B] good year the next. If we address our line problems the won/lost record improves that much faster. If we had a consistent pass rush, all our D.B.'s would've probably made the Pro Bowl.[/quote]
Thanks 53, I agree whole heartedly. Great point on the pass rush.

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[quote=redskins5044;512083]i want to know why zorn should be fired? this his first year as a head coach and at worst we finish 7-9. i understand we started 6-2, but our team was not that good. he hasnt had a chance to get his personnel in here to run his system. i dont think campbell is the type of QB he wants to run his system. here is some food for thought here are some numbers of first year head coaches. Bill Walsh 1979 2-14; Bill Parcells 1983 3-12-1; Jimmy Johnson 1989 1-15; and our own Joe Gibbs 1981 8-8[/quote]


He was handed a playoff team.


We should be 2-14, not 7-9. The Skins are a joke this year and I place ALL blame on Snyder for hiring Zorn. I wouldn't be so angry about it except for that 6-2 tease -- although at the time I KNEW we werent that good, I wouldnt admit it.

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We should be 2-14? That makes no sense