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IMO part of the problem this year comes from a lack of creativity on offense.
Although we run the WCO there are many variations and creative plays that
other teams run that expose our offense's lack of creativity.

The WR screen is a staple of our offense. But, we have never run a Fake WR screen: [COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"]2nd play from the following clip: (1st Qtr 12:40 2nd & 1)[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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^^^ Wouldn't it make sense to have ran the this play at least once?

The Redskins passing game lacked creativity this year.
The coaching staff IMO didn't make many effective adjustments as the season progressed.
The playcaller, the QB coach, offensive coordinator and WR coach and offensive assistants all have important roles in designing the passing game. The Redskins passing game staff doesn't have 1 member other then Zorn that knows the WCO this probably makes adjustments difficult.

We don't have a QB coach.
Our OC doesn't know the WCO.
The WR coach doesn't know the WCO.
The offensive assistant doesn't know it either.


thoughts?

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*Rebuild* *Cowher*

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30gut...good call with the bubble screen fake. I hear ya...

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[quote=SBXVII;513444]*Rebuild* *Cowher*[/quote]

*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?

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[quote=30gut;513463]*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?[/quote]

i have been having a lot of animosity towards zorn but that statement does really settle me down. i 100% agree

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[quote=SBXVII;513444]*Rebuild* *Cowher*[/quote]

This is the answer.

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I remember Gibbs calling a fake WR screen to Santana Moss in the playoff game at Tampa Bay in '05. Moss took a step forward, then quickly shifted back behind the line of scrimmage to appear as though the pass was coming for him -- this drew in the Buc defender -- then he turned upfield as Brunell lofted a pass to him, but it fell incomplete. I've wondered why with as many flanker screens that we run, that Zorn hasn't called for this at least once.

Then again, I wonder why we don't run more play-action passes. It's one of the many things that makes me realize Zorn is still learning how to call plays.

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[quote=Beemnseven;513493]I remember Gibbs calling a fake WR screen to Santana Moss in the playoff game at Tampa Bay in '05. Moss took a step forward, then quickly shifted back behind the line of scrimmage to appear as though the pass was coming for him -- this drew in the Buc defender -- then he turned upfield as Brunell lofted a pass to him, but it fell incomplete. I've wondered why with as many flanker screens that we run, that Zorn hasn't called for this at least once.

Then again, I wonder why we don't run more play-action passes. It's one of the many things that makes me realize Zorn is still learning how to call plays.[/quote]
I remember that. Gibbs finally made a nice play call and Brunell over threw it to Moss, who was open. Too bad that was the only time we ever ran that play.

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[quote=steveo395;513494]I remember that. Gibbs finally made a nice play call and Brunell over threw it to Moss, who was open. Too bad that was the only time we ever ran that play.[/quote]

Yeah, Brunell had all of 41 total yards passing in that game. I believe that's when they set the NFL record for fewest offensive yardage in a playoff game by the winning team.

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I must say 30, I wasn't a big fan of your "emotion" thread but other than that I like the threads you start. Good discussion.

It is difficult to teach the WCO, when only one person on the offensive staff really understands. And I imagine it's also difficult when one part of the offense is trying to learn the WCO, while another (the running game) is using the same schemes as last year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;513500]I must say 30, I wasn't a big fan of your "emotion" thread but other than that I like the threads you start. Good discussion.

It is difficult to teach the WCO, when only one person on the offensive staff really understands. And I imagine it's also difficult when one part of the offense is trying to learn the WCO, while another (the running game) is using the same schemes as last year.[/quote]I think he got the point across though. Our recent struggles have little to do with players not knowing the system, IMO. We just can't block for the runners anymore.

So we're left with with a passing offense that's effective, snap to snap, but not good enough to get into the end-zone all by itself. I don't think were very far from the point where the passing offense could be effective without a rushing offense, but we clearly need our receivers to develop before we are there.

Earlier in the season, the running game was there when we needed it. I just don't think it is anymore. I doubt this is because of any lack of knowledge. I just think our OL without Samuels has no prefered side that we can get behind when we really need yards.

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[quote=30gut;513463]*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?[/quote]

It was meant to be a sarcastic joke. but if we are going to have another discussion on this topic. I think Zorn or any coach should have atleast 2-3 years to emplement his system. Will Snyder give him that? My only issue/issues with Zorn is ...He's not showing he can adapt. He has not adapted his offense for his players. He has not adapted his offense during the season so other teams will not know what we are doing. He does not adapt during half time. He kinda reminds me of Spurrier in that he tried to force his system on a team that did not have the tools to emplement his system with. I'm at a cross roads with him. The offense has shown little improvement and thats the basis of this offense. It's supposed to be a passing oriented scoring machine according to Zorn. We havn't put up more then 20 points.

If and I mean if the team, and namely its offense showed improvement then I would say yes keep him. I just don't see that happening with the injuries on the line. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not a foot ball coach. I'm not seeing were all the break downs are and I'm sure Snyder will have to understand and take that into consideration. Maybe there is no consideration. Maybe all our talk is BS and Snyder plans on keeping him anyway. We'll all find out soon though. The seasons almost over.

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Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.

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[quote=redsk1;513599]Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.[/quote]
I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

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[quote=firstdown;513628]What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. [COLOR="Olive"]My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.[/COLOR] [/quote]

I thought that Zorn did a good job adjusting the playcalling to the pressure; almost too good. My biggest gripe is that Zorn's [I]limited[/I] the playcalling too much because of his worries about the offense line. Zorn seemed to rely almost entirely on the 3 step drop passing game to help protect an injured/struggling offense line. In the 2nd Dallas game i thought WR play was a bigger issue then the play-calling.

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[quote=firstdown;513628]I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.[/quote]

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.

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[quote=redsk1;513637]No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.[/quote]


Our line didn't look as bad as it could [I]because[/I] Zorn went to great lengths too protect them. As the offensive line play declined Zorn called more and more 3 step drop passes and now it seems like that's all we do hitches, quick outs and screens.

I seriously doubt that many people would agree with you that Indi and Dal have worse offensive line play then we do.

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[quote=redsk1;513637]No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. [B]Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play.[/B] We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.[/quote]Great post. Count Blache out of that group.

The OL takes too much of it. Through the Seattle game, they were opening holes for the running game, and keeping us above float. The problems were starting to form before they declined to current levels.

We still need to address the unit, obviously. But our issues go far deeper than our OL not being competitive.

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[quote=GTripp0012;513820]Great post. Count Blache out of that group.

The OL takes too much of it. Through the Seattle game, they were opening holes for the running game, and keeping us above float. The problems were starting to form before they declined to current levels.

We still need to address the unit, obviously. But our issues go far deeper than our OL not being competitive.[/quote]
The speculation remains endless as to who/what is at fault for the collapse this year and there is plenty of blame to go around.
When trying to correct any "process" or problem where multiple breakdowns may exist, note the following. It is done on a "worst first" basis.
While it is true, better QB play and other component play would have relieved some of the symtoms resulting in a better end result, the problem remains. Our O-line was run-over most of the year, and must be addressed. When that is fixed, what is the next "worst" problem. When the known problems have been addressed, see how they affect the "suspected" problems, and adjust accordingly.
In principle.............simple
And this is what we must do

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QB coach/Offensive Assistant:

[COLOR="DarkOrange"][SIZE="3"]Pat Shurmur
Quarterbacks Coach [/SIZE][/COLOR]


One of the rising stars in the NFL's coaching ranks, Pat Shurmur is in his seventh season as the Eagles quarterbacks coach and his tenth as a member of Andy Reid's staff.........

[url=http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/CoachBios.asp?coach_id=13]Philadelphia Eagles[/url]

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yeah we need more plays than just gut,power,screen,throw away, and sack. Why is it so hard for the coaches. say what you want about the system but what it comes down to is football

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[quote=bigm29;513836]yeah we need more plays than just gut,power,screen,throw away, and sack. Why is it so hard for the coaches. say what you want about the system but what it comes down to is football[/quote]

The system works, but it would be easier to install and adjust it if Zorn had more coaches that know it like:


[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Jeremy Bates
Quarterbacks[/COLOR] / + (Assistant Offensive Coordinator?)

Jeremy Bates enters his third season on the Denver Broncos’ coaching staff in 2008 and serves as the club’s quarterbacks coach. Bates, who was Denver’s wide receivers/quarterbacks coach last season, owns six years of coaching experience in the NFL and worked with the New York Jets (2005) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002-04) before joining the Broncos in 2006.

[url=http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=5835]DenverBroncos.com – Official Website Of The Denver Broncos[/url]

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[COLOR="Teal"]Frank Pollack
Assistant Offensive Line Coach
2nd NFL season
2nd with Texans[/COLOR]

Frank Pollack is in his second year as the Texans assistant offensive line coach. Pollack will continue to work closely with offensive line coach John Benton to mold the Texans front five.

[url=http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=11]Coach - Houston Texans[/url]

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[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Tom Clements
Quarterbacks [/COLOR] /+ (Assistant Offensive Coordinator ?)

Tom Clements, entering his 16th season in the coaching profession, is in his third year as Green Bay's quarterbacks coach.

Now in his 12th overall NFL season, Clements was named to his position Jan. 29, 2006, by Head Coach Mike McCarthy. Familiar with the role, Clements also served as quarterbacks coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers (2001-03), Kansas City Chiefs (2000) and New Orleans Saints (1997-99).

Last year, Clements oversaw a near-MVP season from Brett Favre in what turned out to be the quarterback's final year. Favre surpassed 4,000 yards passing for the fifth time and posted a career-best completion percentage of 66.5 and a QB rating of 95.7 that was his third-best in leading the Packers back to the playoffs.

[url=http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/clements_tom/]Packers.com » Team » Coaches » Tom Clements[/url]

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[COLOR="Olive"]Ty Knott
Offensive Quality Control [/COLOR]/ Offensive Assistant WR Coach?

Entering his seventh season in the NFL, Ty Knott begins his third with the Green Bay Packers as offensive quality control coach.
In his current role, Knott primarily assists wide receivers coach Jimmy Robinson. His duties include breaking down opponent game film, drawing playbooks and analyzing defensive tendencies.

[url=http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/knott_ty/]Packers.com » Team » Coaches » Ty Knott[/url]

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30gut, If your suggesting a few new adjustments to the coaching staff then it might work. Considering we kept most of the non WCO coach's which were Gibbs non WCO coach's then ok. If Snyder is planning on keeping Zorn he needs more help with coaching his system.

.....but I still have issues with his lack of being able to adjust both during games and during the season.

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[quote=SBXVII;514054]....but I still have issues with his lack of being able to adjust both during games and during the season.[/quote]

Another set of eyes, eyes that see things in the same football language as Zorn should help with the adjustments. I'm hoping to see [B][U]at least [/U][/B]2 WCO offense coaches added to the staff. A QB coach and an offensive assistant, someone that can help Sherman Smith.

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I don't think we can discount the fact that Jason Campbell may not be suited for the WCO. Gibbs drafted him for his strong arm and deep throwing abilities downfield.

If the WCO is all about the QB making quick decisions, yet we all criticize him for checking down too quickly, then that's a dilemma. They say this system takes a while to learn. And it may be that it'll take every bit of two full years or more for Campbell to get this offense down pat.

Then there's the question of Jim Zorn's abilities as a tactician, a gameplanner, his instincts for in-game adjustments, and his knack for playcalling. Not of which are solid, and are testament to the fact that Zorn is still learning the basic in's and out's of this job.

That's why I really wonder if Vinny and Danny truly understood the magnitude of bringing in Jim Zorn and implementing this system. It doesn't look like this was the design of people who believe we are just one step away from greatness, and who operate with a 'win now right now' philosophy.

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[quote=Beemnseven;514950]I don't think we can discount the fact that Jason Campbell may not be suited for the WCO. Gibbs drafted him for his strong arm and deep throwing abilities downfield.

If the WCO is all about the QB making quick decisions, yet we all criticize him for checking down too quickly, then that's a dilemma. They say this system takes a while to learn. And it may be that it'll take every bit of two full years or more for Campbell to get this offense down pat.

Then there's the question of Jim Zorn's abilities as a tactician, a gameplanner, his instincts for in-game adjustments, and his knack for playcalling. Not of which are solid, and are testament to the fact that Zorn is still learning the basic in's and out's of this job.

That's why I really wonder if Vinny and Danny truly understood the magnitude of bringing in Jim Zorn and implementing this system. It doesn't look like this was the design of people who believe we are just one step away from greatness, and who operate with a 'win now right now' philosophy.[/quote]

Well maybe bringing in Zorn, and investing heavily in the draft rather than free agency means they are no longer operating under a "win now right now" philosophy?

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[quote=Beemnseven;514950]I don't think we can discount the fact that Jason Campbell may not be suited for the WCO. Gibbs drafted him for his strong arm and deep throwing abilities downfield.[/quote]

I don't really understand which part of the OP or thread you are replying to...but i appreciate your addition to the thread

Why isn't JC a good fit for the WCO?
The only people i've heard say anything of the sort are bloggers and non-football savvy media types.
Zorn (who just so happens to now a thing or two about grooming a QB) really seems to like JC.
-Also having a strong arm and the ability to throw deep doesn't preclude a QB from being good at the WCO: Farve, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers etc...

[quote]If the WCO is all about the QB making quick decisions, yet we all criticize him for checking down too quickly, then that's a dilemma. They say this system takes a while to learn. And it may be that it'll take every bit of two full years or more for Campbell to get this offense down pat. [/quote]

Again who is this 'we' that criticizes JC for checking down to early?

Holmgren has said that it takes 3 years to master the WCO, and JC in his 1st year in the WCO is ahead of where other 1st year WCO QBs have typically been.

[quote]Then there's the question of Jim Zorn's abilities as a tactician, a gameplanner, his instincts for in-game adjustments, and his knack for playcalling. Not of which are solid, and are testament to the fact that Zorn is still learning the basic in's and out's of this job.[/quote]

No doubt that Zorn is learning.
But, if you look at the offense during the 6-2 stretch many were praising Zorn's offense and ESPN Jaw's was considering JC as a league MVP candidate.

The point i was trying to make in the OP is that Zorn needs help.

He's basically installing the WCO by himself without a QB coach, without an experienced WCO OC, w/o WCO WR coach, w/o WCO Offensive line coach, w/o any WCO assistants.

During the off-season (OTA/training camp) Zorn had much more time to design and install the successful offense that we all enjoyed during the early season. The 6-2 start IMO is proof that Zorn knows how to design an effective offense and call plays.

But, as the season progressed teams adjusted to Zorn's offense and offensive line play declined.
And IMO during the hustle and grind of the regular season Zorn may not have seen where adjustments were needed without another coach knowledge in the WCO to make suggestions.
And even if Zorn did want to make adjustments it would likely be quite difficult for the HC himself to make the changes to the offense w/o help from other coaches knowledgeable in the system.


[quote]That's why I really wonder if Vinny and Danny truly understood the magnitude of bringing in Jim Zorn and implementing this system. It doesn't look like this was the design of people who believe we are just one step away from greatness, and who operate with a 'win now right now' philosophy.[/quote]

I figure(assume) that Vinnie understands that installing the WCO is not a quick fix. Afterall Vinnie did spend some time with the 49ers during their run.
And from last years draft and Vinnie's recent statements building through the draft i hope the days of 'quick fix football' are over.

:food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;514967]Well maybe bringing in Zorn, and investing heavily in the draft rather than free agency means they are no longer operating under a "win now right now" philosophy?[/quote]

They've already parted with 3 draft picks for free agent defensive ends who collectively have given us 3.5 sacks. They had the right idea for the '08 draft. But with the season turning the way it has, will they have the same type of fortitude for '09? We're down to 4 picks as it is. I guess we'll see.

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[quote=Beemnseven;515013]They've already parted with 3 draft picks for free agent defensive ends who collectively have given us 3.5 sacks. They had the right idea for the '08 draft. But with the season turning the way it has, will they have the same type of fortitude for '09? We're down to 4 picks as it is. I guess we'll see.[/quote]

Well, I think we're going to be a bit more aggressive in free agency than we were last year. I think you'll see two to three "big" signings" and we're going to be adding draft picks as well. I think we'll have maybe 7 picks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;515014]Well, I think we're going to be a bit more aggressive in free agency than we were last year. I think you'll see two to three "big" signings" and we're going to be adding draft picks as well. I think we'll have maybe 7 picks.[/quote]

Is that going to be a better possibility since the 2010 season might be uncapped?

Also, don't you think Snyder truly believes we are just a few pieces away from a deep playoff run? That we're almost there?

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[quote=Beemnseven;515015]Is that going to be a better possibility since the 2010 season might be uncapped?

Also, don't you think Snyder truly believes we are just a few pieces away from a deep playoff run? That we're almost there?[/quote]

I don't get your first question, better possibility than what?

As for the second, I believe that it doesn't really matter. Snyder is much less involved than people continue to want to believe.

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[quote=SmootSmack;515017]I don't get your first question, better possibility than what?

As for the second, I believe that it doesn't really matter. Snyder is much less involved than people continue to want to believe.[/quote]

Is the possibility of being more involved with free agency this year helped by the fact that 2010 could be an uncapped year? I'll bet that's part of their thinking. I'm in favor of ending the salary cap, by the way.

According to Vinny on his radio show yesterday, he is in constant contact with Dan Snyder "many, many, many, times" throughout the day.

I think that in the days of JKC, or with other owners 20 years ago, they weren't as involved as they are now. I think across the league, owners today devote much more attention to their teams than they used to.

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[quote=Beemnseven;515020]Is the possibility of being more involved with free agency this year helped by the fact that 2010 could be an uncapped year? I'll bet that's part of their thinking. I'm in favor of ending the salary cap, by the way.

According to Vinny on his radio show yesterday, he is in constant contact with Dan Snyder "many, many, many, times" throughout the day.

I think that in the days of JKC, or with other owners 20 years ago, they weren't as involved as they are now. I think across the league, owners today devote much more attention to their teams than they used to.[/quote]

You could be right about the salary cap thing, I haven't given it much thought.

And I probably should have used the word "intrusive" He's definitely involved and gives his opinion and yes he is constant contact with several of his businesses regularly. What I meant though is that for the most part he allows his people to do their job the way they best see fit. He used to be a lot more about "do it this way because I want that" Not so much anymore. Or so I'm told

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[quote=30gut;513848]The system works, but it would be easier to install and adjust it if Zorn had more coaches that know it like:


[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Jeremy Bates
Quarterbacks[/COLOR] / + (Assistant Offensive Coordinator?)

Jeremy Bates enters his third season on the Denver Broncos’ coaching staff in 2008 and serves as the club’s quarterbacks coach. Bates, who was Denver’s wide receivers/quarterbacks coach last season, owns six years of coaching experience in the NFL and worked with the New York Jets (2005) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002-04) before joining the Broncos in 2006.

[url=http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=5835]DenverBroncos.com – Official Website Of The Denver Broncos[/url][/quote]

^^Dang. It looks like Bates got an extension.
There really aren't that many good WCO assistants/qb coaches w/ experience. I hope Vinnie and Zorn are on the look out. Hiring WCO coaches and assistants will be key to the success of the offense next year.

[COLOR="SandyBrown"]Adam Schefter
Broncos keep QBs coach Bates away from Vols
Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter

When he took the University of Tennessee head coaching job, Lane Kiffin turned to the assistants he knew and trusted most. He turned to those in his family and in his former division.

Not only did Kiffin hire his father Monte Kiffin, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator, but he also attempted to lure Broncos quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates, one of the top young offensive assistants in the game, out of Denver.

Bates was said to have seriously considered Kiffin’s offer, but eventually opted to stay in Denver, where the Broncos gave him a raise and an extension.

Denver views the 32-year-old Bates, a former assistant with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets, as an invaluable resource for Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. Bates is a strong thinker with superb strategic knowledge of the game.

He’ll need plenty of it if Denver has a chance of upsetting San Diego on Sunday night for the AFC West title and a playoff spot.[/COLOR]

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[quote=Beemnseven;513493]I remember Gibbs calling a fake WR screen to Santana Moss in the playoff game at Tampa Bay in '05. Moss took a step forward, then quickly shifted back behind the line of scrimmage to appear as though the pass was coming for him -- this drew in the Buc defender -- then he turned upfield as Brunell lofted a pass to him, but it fell incomplete. I've wondered why with as many flanker screens that we run, that Zorn hasn't called for this at least once.

Then again, I wonder why we don't run more play-action passes. It's one of the many things that makes me realize Zorn is still learning how to call plays.[/quote]

Campbell would have 2 sacks recorded on him before he had the chance to throw.

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Anyways, we still have a bit to find out how successful this project we've got on our hands will be. I think that Zorn needs to take a bit of the load off of himself, he's just got too many things that he's not used to. He's not the guy that's used to making certain adjustments, or at least calling for them, as well as many other duties that the coach has to take on. A bit of help underneath him (and a mentor wouldn't be bad either, a WCO one that is) wouldn't be bad, as they'd be experienced more in this and knowing how to give roles out to the players.

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Campbell ran the west coast his senior year in auburn. this was his most successful year as a qback. who was Auburn's offensive coordinator? lets get him here, pronto( if that's the offense we are going to run )

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[quote=dmek25;515537]Campbell ran the west coast his senior year in auburn. this was his most successful year as a qback. who was Auburn's offensive coordinator? lets get him here, pronto( if that's the offense we are going to run )[/quote]

Al Borges, but he just got hired as the OC for San Diego State.

There some WCO coaches and assisants out there but if they don't act soon they probably won't bring anyone in at all.