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Jason Campbell once again played terrible. The receivers/tight ends bailed him out on a few throws (Cooley comes to mind). 18 for 33 is pitifull. Yeah it was windy but thats no excuse. Mcnabb was right on point with his passes. DeSean Jackson drop 2 easy td's. Those were 35 to 40 yarders into the wind and they hit Jackson between the numbers. Campbell missed on easy dink and dunks passes. Our offenses as a whole sucked, I will admit but Campbell took the crown. On the bright side D Hall looked really good.

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JC didn't have a good game. He's not going anywhere unless Zorn flips the switch. Now that Zorn is almost guaranteed to keep is post I again can say I feel totally confident about the QB situation. An old QB who has all the experience in the world as a QB coach - Zorn knows exactly what he wants behind center.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;514555]Jason Campbell once again played terrible. The receivers/tight ends bailed him out on a few throws (Cooley comes to mind). 18 for 33 is pitifull. Yeah it was windy but thats no excuse. Mcnabb was right on point with his passes. DeSean Jackson drop 2 easy td's. Those were 35 to 40 yarders into the wind and they hit Jackson between the numbers. Campbell missed on easy dink and dunks passes. Our offenses as a whole sucked, I will admit but Campbell took the crown. On the bright side D Hall looked really good.[/quote]

No disrespect dude, but...SHUTTY!! The Redskins won! Campbell is the Skins' QB. Campbell made kept a couple of drives going with his legs. He's our QB!! I suppose you want Colt Brennan to start, huh? It's pathetic how impatient we've become. Give this thing a chance. Campbell will get us where we want to go!

HAIL!!

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;514555]Jason Campbell once again played terrible. The receivers/tight ends bailed him out on a few throws (Cooley comes to mind). 18 for 33 is pitifull. Yeah it was windy but thats no excuse. Mcnabb was right on point with his passes. DeSean Jackson drop 2 easy td's. Those were 35 to 40 yarders into the wind and they hit Jackson between the numbers. Campbell missed on easy dink and dunks passes. Our offenses as a whole sucked, I will admit but Campbell took the crown. On the bright side D Hall looked really good.[/quote]

I certainly agree that Campbell has sucked lately, but I'm not sure that it's not a product of the horrible, bland, minimalist offense making him look bad.

Many times it's like the defenses run our routes for us or know exactly what run or pass play is coming.

We hardly EVER throw down field, so defense stay in the short-mid range now and are constantly around the ball.

One thing I haven't noticed is any kind of audibles coming from Campbell, especially when it's clear the defense is sending two extra blitzers from one side and we don't give any help at all. Is that on him or does he (Zorn) not have an audible system to use?

With that said, he HAS been erratic ,many times this season (I went to the Browns game and he missed plenty of receivers that day I remember)... but again, is he getting jittery back there due to the constant pressure? I don't think we can truly say.

I do know that either he or Zorn IS to blame for this horrific offense.

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In a word, shaddup! What did JC do or not do in your eyes? Against that defense, with 2 backup tackles and Portis spending 45% of the time on the sidelines he did what he needed to do to win the game. Moronic fans like you give me a headache.

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Campbell lacks leadership. I keep hearing that our three 2nd round draft picks have not panned out but how are they supposed to show their skills if they are not getting the ball. It seems as if Campbell has trouble reading more than two receivers. The rookies ususally come in as the 3 and 4 receivers. Basically Campbell can't get them the ball. I also think those drive saving runs came out of desperation, he has trouble reading receivers.

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[quote=Paintrain;514559]In a word, shaddup! What did JC do or not do in your eyes? Against that defense, with 2 backup tackles and Portis spending 45% of the time on the sidelines he did what he needed to do to win the game. Moronic fans like you give me a headache.[/quote]

I think JC had a sub-par game, but I agree that a lot of our woes (e.g., inability to run or pass protect for 3 or more seconds) had to do with Fabini and Heyer. That said, please avoid personal attacks.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;514555]Jason Campbell once again played terrible. The receivers/tight ends bailed him out on a few throws (Cooley comes to mind). 18 for 33 is pitifull. Yeah it was windy but thats no excuse. Mcnabb was right on point with his passes. DeSean Jackson drop 2 easy td's. Those were 35 to 40 yarders into the wind and they hit Jackson between the numbers. Campbell missed on easy dink and dunks passes. Our offenses as a whole sucked, I will admit but Campbell took the crown. On the bright side D Hall looked really good.[/quote]

I'm sort of starting to think that JC is just going to be a serviceable NFL QB. Meaning he's never going to be the type of guy that can carry an offense. But what ever we do at least give the guy a chance to be in the same offense two years in a row.

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[quote=skinsfan69;514565]I'm sort of starting to think that JC is just going to be a serviceable NFL QB. Meaning he's never going to be the type of guy that can carry an offense. But what ever we do at least give the guy a chance to be in the same offense two years in a row.[/quote]

JC strikes me as a QB who can lead a potent offense when given time and a mediocre one when the line is struggling. He's not a guy who will consistently make big plays, but he's capable of putting the ball in a playmaker's hands when he isn't lying on his back. In that sense, he strikes me as an Eli Manning-type QB.

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I do not like JC. How about a guy like Matt Cassel. FA at the end of the year.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;514570]I do not like JC. How about a guy like Matt Cassel. FA at the end of the year.[/quote]

How about getting an offensive line that can actually block people? With our current line, it isn't going to matter who we have behind center. Besides, if we're going to pay a QB a $20M signing bonus (which is likely what Cassel will command), I'd prefer to pay a proven winner, not a guy who inherited a Super Bowl team and played well for 1 season Derek Anderson-style.

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[quote=Paintrain;514559]In a word, shaddup! What did JC do or not do in your eyes? Against that defense, with 2 backup tackles and Portis spending 45% of the time on the sidelines he did what he needed to do to win the game. Moronic fans like you give me a headache.[/quote]

First off WATCH YOUR MOUTH. A moronic fan!! You don't know me and do not disrespect me. My view on Campbell is my ****ing opinion. Lets see what did or didn't Campbell do in my eyes............for one when your going to throw the ball away make sure it goes out of bounds. Samuels drop a easy pick six. Oh yeah , slide before you get hit. He got ****ing rocked by Dawkins. Dude listen I want and Campbell to do great but hes just O.K. at best. He'll never be a Drew or a Peyton.

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Troy Aikman said it perfectly when he said JC looks nonchalant (sp) or tends to play nonchalant. Translation: he needs to be more aware of pressure and get rid of the ball or slide up in the pocket.

I want to give JC another year to prove or disprove himself. However, i don't see him as our long term answer at QB. Pretty good QB when all things are good, but when we're missing anything he's average to below. There's seldom a time w/ any team that you're going to have all day to throw to open WR's and at the same time have your running game going. It happens just not every week.

So, he deserves another year, but from what I've seen to date...not to sure.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;514573]He'll never be a Drew or a Peyton.[/quote]

If you won't be happy until we get a Drew of Peyton, you will be one unhappy guy for many, many years. Also, do you realize that Brees was average at best for several years?

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Do you really think Matt Cassel is that much better than Campbell? He's playing with a 3-time Superbowl winning coach, in the same system that produced the best season by a QB ever last year, and with possibly the best receiver of all-time. Campbell has 1st-round pick talent(Matt Cassel didn't have enough talent to get in the starting lineup of a team since high school), but he has never had a consistent system or coach, and it seems like he's really limited by the coaching and gameplan. It seems like his entire career he's been taught to lock on to the #1 or throw a checkdown. Look at the offense he was in led by Mark Brunell when he came in in to the league, remember how pissed off everyone was when he was dumping the ball off for 2 yards everyplay?

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[quote=skinsfan69;514565]I'm sort of starting to think that JC is just going to be a serviceable NFL QB. Meaning he's never going to be the type of guy that can carry an offense. But what ever we do at least give the guy a chance to be in the same offense two years in a row.[/quote]

I can see that. I thought he would be a lot better than he has been. I think he be very solid though, like you said though let him at least play in the same offensive scheme for a prolonged period of time and let's see what happens when we get some help on the line and Thomas, Kelly, and Davis mature. There were a couple of times today where he and Thomas were off by a half step. With more time and repitition that should improve.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514576]If you won't be happy until we get a Drew of Peyton, you will be one unhappy guy for many, many years. Also, do you realize that Brees was average at best for several years?[/quote]

Once again we have to deal this shit, SGG.

God forbid we give JC an O-line, more than one WR, and more than one season to learn a very complex offense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;514565]I'm sort of starting to think that JC is just going to be a serviceable NFL QB. Meaning he's never going to be the type of guy that can carry an offense. But what ever we do at least give the guy a chance to be in the same offense two years in a row.[/quote]

Gibbs won with servicable QBs. I'm prefectly happy with a servicable QB

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If we're smart, we'll trade JC for a 2nd-3rd rounder this year while he still has some value. he wont get it done for us next year. he's far too inaccurate and has too little awareness of pressure to be a franchise QB in the NFCEast. you cant blame either of those problems on the system. they are the same problems hes been having forever. we should sign Garcia or Warner and then groom Brennan or draft a young guy

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[quote=GMScud;514582]Once again we have to deal this shit, SGG.

God forbid we give JC an O-line, more than one WR, and more than one season to learn a very complex offense.[/quote]

Yup. Get a better line, let the rooks (including Colt) grow a bit, and if we don't seen Jason revert to the JC of the 1st half of the season, then we can move on to someone else.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514569]JC strikes me as a QB who can lead a potent offense when given time and a mediocre one when the line is struggling. He's not a guy who will consistently make big plays, but he's capable of putting the ball in a playmaker's hands when he isn't lying on his back. In that sense, he strikes me as an Eli Manning-type QB.[/quote]

Good points. Today the line was again awful in pass pro.

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well said sherrif..give the guy nother season..a line and some help damn all you haters

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[quote=MrJL;514583]Gibbs won with servicable QBs. I'm prefectly happy with a servicable QB[/quote]

Different era where you could keep a great line and great wr's together. I'm not saying we can't win with JC cause I believe we can. I guess we all (including myself) just need to be a little more patient. I guess I was expecting a little more out of him. When I see Matt Cassel and Phillip Rivers having great years, and I look at how pitiful our offense is....it's just so frustrating.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;514585]If we're smart, we'll trade JC for a 2nd-3rd rounder this year while he still has some value. he wont get it done for us next year. he's far too inaccurate and has too little awareness of pressure to be a franchise QB in the NFCEast. you cant blame either of those problems on the system. they are the same problems hes been having forever. we should sign Garcia or Warner and then groom Brennan or draft a young guy[/quote]

How is this smart ... let me just check ..

We dump a guy who is 27 and ranked right in the midle of the pack in most QB statisitics in his first season in the WCO with no real weapons and pick up a 37 year old journey man who plays in a system which happens to feature two of the best WRs in the league right now or even better a 38 year old who... well he cannot stay healthy...

THEN we get one or two picks in 2/3rd round, one of which we would have to use on a QB ....

..Then park the rookie behind Colt Brenan which if the preseason is anything to go by has to have some of the worst mechanics I have ever seen for an NFL QB ....and you want to hand the future starting position to that guy ... hmm

Smart huh ? I don't get it ...

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I don't think he should go just yet, but that halo effect certainly isn't helping. I wish they would at least consider letting Collins or Brennan play in hopes of lighting a fire under Campbelll's butt. Of course the camera angles are so crappy that we can't see whats going on down field until the ball is thrown. So either Zorn's crappy play calling was to blame or JC was unable to find receivers open downfield. However for the most part the offensive line provided JC with plenty of time on more then one occasion to go through his reads and yet JC wasn't able to find anything.

Either way I still say that Zorn needs to at least be supplanted as lead play caller.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;514598]I don't think he should go just yet, but that halo effect certainly isn't helping. I wish they would at least consider letting Collins or Brennan play in hopes of lighting a fire under Campbelll's butt. Of course the camera angles are so crappy that we can't see whats going on down field until the ball is thrown. So either Zorn's crappy play calling was to blame or JC was unable to find receivers open downfield. However for the most part the offensive line provided JC with plenty of time on more then one occasion to go through his reads and yet JC wasn't able to find anything.

Either way I still say that Zorn needs to at least be supplanted as lead play caller.[/quote]

Thank You.

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[quote=bedlamVR;514597]How is this smart ... let me just check ..

We dump a guy who is 27 and ranked right in the midle of the pack in most QB statisitics in his first season in the WCO with no real weapons and pick up a 37 year old journey man who plays in a system which happens to feature two of the best WRs in the league right now or even better a 38 year old who... well he cannot stay healthy...

THEN we get one or two picks in 2/3rd round, one of which we would have to use on a QB ....

..Then park the rookie behind Colt Brenan which if the preseason is anything to go by has to have some of the worst mechanics I have ever seen for an NFL QB ....and you want to hand the future starting position to that guy ... hmm

Smart huh ? I don't get it ...[/quote]

Good post. And actually, for another 10 days, JC is still 26 years old.

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[quote=skinsfan69;514596]Different era where you could keep a great line and great wr's together. I'm not saying we can't win with JC cause I believe we can. I guess we all (including myself) just need to be a little more patient. I guess I was expecting a little more out of him. When I see Matt Cassel and Phillip Rivers having great years, and I look at how pitiful our offense is....it's just so frustrating.[/quote]


I'm pretty sure New England is a team that keeps a very good ( at least) line together. And it's gone out and gotten great WRs. In fact I believe both QB's you list play for teams that are very good at continuity.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514569]JC strikes me as a QB who can lead a potent offense when given time and a mediocre one when the line is struggling. He's not a guy who will consistently make big plays, but he's capable of putting the ball in a playmaker's hands when he isn't lying on his back. In that sense, he strikes me as an Eli Manning-type QB.[/quote]
Exactly. He needs a good running game to play-action off of. I think moving forward he is perfect for this team right now. Where he struggles is when we get behind and he has to make a big play. He doesn't turn the ball over often (though it frustrates fans that he doesn't take more chances downfield which is higher risk/reward) and lets the guys around him make the plays.
I think he's better than Dilfer, Eli Manning or Brad Johnson (all Super Bowl winners) but he's not as good as Marino, Jurgenson or Moon (HOFers who never won a Super Bowl).

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He wasnt that TERRIBLE. For his standards i give him a C-. He had some highlights and some lowlights. Does anybody else believe he should be running more because he had some decent runs today?

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god man .. i hardly post ... but it's so aggrevating when this site gets bombarded with such crazy talk .. are we not all real football fans here ?? cause i think that most people get it .. they get that JC is young, learning yet another system,has the ability to make all the throws, move with his legs, etc ... this guy can lead .. look at Auburn ? we hit a funk this season .. i think the strides will continue ... patient fans understand .. what if we did get in the playoffs ?? you really think were ready ?? i look forward to Zorno XXX Part 2 ... it's gonna get buck nasty in 09' .. Offense will finally catch up to Defense .. we get over the hump and win 12 games and host a playoff game .. we are heading in the right direction .. hail =

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I want to believe in Campbell, but simply put, he's not getting the job done. Is it the line? The play call? The o-line? I don't know, and I'll readily admit there is too much I don't to call for his job, but I get frustrated at his conservatism. Too many times throughout a game, he is given plenty of time to throw, a good 2 and a half seconds in the pocket, and he won't pull the trigger, and we go three and out. Would I rather he hold the ball than thrown an INT? Of course. But once in a while, I'd rather he'd risk an INT than accept a three and out, because the former has much greater potential for pay-off.

Today he averaged 4.4 yards per attempt. That's horrific. I don't want to kick him around, I really like the guy, but I can't believe that he can take the Redskins to the next level.

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I am a JC supporter and am willing to be patient to see if he can develop. He really hasn't been given a true opportunity to show how good (or bad) he can be his whole career. That being said, I agree with the previous comments stating that he is probably going to a "average" QB at best in this league. His upside is that he rarely turns the ball over (which I think we take for granted)... but that also is indirectly his downside. He seems like he never wants to make a mistake, and will rarely throw to a receiver unless they are wide open. I think that is why he holds on to the ball way too long on plays that take more time to develope.

I think he has the physical tools to suceed, he just plays "not to lose" instead of playing to win (if that makes sense). Who knows, maybe once he gets comfortable in the offense things will change and he will be more aggressive.

At the same time our rookie recievers HAVE TO step up and become legit #1 and #2 receivers.... I LOVE Moss but he is not a true #1. He is phenomal talent just lacks size.

Overall we just lack explosive playmakers on offense and that make JC continually have to make the "perfect" throws he doesn't seem to be comfortable throwing.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;514598]I don't think he should go just yet, but that halo effect certainly isn't helping. I wish they would at least consider letting Collins or Brennan play in hopes of lighting a fire under Campbelll's butt. [/quote]

[quote=SOUL-SKINS;514600]Thank You.[/quote]

Seriously dudes, you need to end your h*rd on for Colt Brennan. Last I checked, he hasn't suited up for a game in ages; he's a mess in practice; and in the throes of your man-crush you seem to have forgotten that he was an even bigger mess in preseason against THIRD stringers. But yeah, go ahead, and put him in a regular season game. Not saying there aren't issues surrounding Campbell, not saying Collins has seen his last game, but c'mon...

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Campbell will be just fine in the offense given time. I recall Hasselbeck being so awful his first year with Zorn/Holmgren that he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Campbell has been an average QB, which is decent considering this is his first year running this offense. I look for him to take a big step in this offense if we improve the offensive line during the offseason.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514572]How about getting an offensive line that can actually block people? With our current line, it isn't going to matter who we have behind center. Besides, if we're going to pay a QB a $20M signing bonus (which is likely what Cassel will command), I'd prefer to pay a proven winner, not a guy who inherited a Super Bowl team and played well for 1 season Derek Anderson-style.[/quote]

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BRAVO and you cut to the real issue here. Until we shore up our lines it does not matter who our QB is they are going to get pounded. If we are going to start fixing this team then it has to start with our lines. Enough of this QB, WR crap lets fix the lines otherwise we will be going through this same talk this time next year.

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[quote=SouperMeister;514625]Campbell will be just fine in the offense given time. I recall Hasselbeck being so awful his first year with Zorn/Holmgren that he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Campbell has been an average QB, which is decent considering this is his first year running this offense. I look for him to take a big step in this offense if we improve the offensive line during the offseason.[/quote]

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Agreed. Give him another year of Zorn's guidance and he will be fine.
Got to improve our line!!!

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Campbell just doesn't seem to let it loose. He doesn't seem to trust himself/his playmakers yet. He seems to lack that star QB mojo. But he keeps mistakes to a minimum. So at least he isn't a turnover machine like a lot of QBs.

So right now he's a serviceable, middle of the pack QB. He still has some upside and is young. He obviously has been handcuffed by below average pass protection, another new offensive system, and a lack of quick strike weapons (sans Moss).

I'm for giving him another year in this system. If he improves next year--sign him to an extension. If he doesn't--then all you fans will get what you want in 2010 when we have a WCO journeyman/Brennan as our QB.

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He's done a lot of good things this year that I think people often overlook. His completion % is up, his QB rating is up, fumbles down, INTs down. Zorn helped turn Hasselbeck into a star QB but it wasn't until year 3 when he really took off.

JC hasn't played himself out of the starting job. Not even close.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514576]If you won't be happy until we get a Drew of Peyton, you will be one unhappy guy for many, many years. Also, do you realize that Brees was average at best for several years?[/quote]

to support JC for the lack of solid play around him is one thing, to believe he will be an elite qb is a whole other story . . this year was really his "report card" year and the seasons almost done, hes lucky he has a year left on his K to show us something hes failed ot show us so far.

unhappy for many years? nah, ill just keep enjoying watch a great D be held back b/c we havent had even an average passing attack in decades . .

go skins!!!