Mark Tauscher?
 

Mark Tauscher is a free agent this year. it looks smart and cheap to help solve our OL woes (along with at least one draft pick). What do you guys think?

Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Tauscher is a seventh round pick that became a success story. In his first season in the NFL, he was forced into a starting role because of an injury to another player. Tauscher isn’t an elite player, but he is solid in his role as a starter and hasn’t missed a game since 2002. Tauscher could be at the top of many team’s lists because he could come cheaper than some of the other free agent lineman, but could be nearly or equally effective.

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So a 31 year old offensive lineman who is average at best is going to solve our problems??

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Heyer, Reinhart, resign Kendall for one year and draft Mack C/G out of Cal Berkeley, that would solve our OL problem.

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I'd sign him if he's willing to get something like a 2 year deal, for $10M and a $3M signing bonus. That said, there's no way he would accept those terms.

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Don't we want to get some young trench talent? No more aging vets please.

1st and 3rd round draft choices: o-lineman

... and suddenly we're on average 5 or so years younger across the o-line. Sounds too easy almost.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;514673]Heyer, Reinhart, resign Kendall for one year and draft Mack C/G out of Cal Berkeley, that would solve our OL problem.[/quote]

Heyer gets blown off the line in pass protection and he can't run block. If Heyer is a long-term answer, be prepared to deal with a long-term problem.

I like to think that Rinehart will be good, but word is he is far from NFL-ready. He hasn't even suited up for a game - which says a lot considering that Samuels and Jansen are both injured.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514679]Heyer gets blown off the line in pass protection and he can't run block. If Heyer is a long-term answer, be prepared to deal with a long-term problem.

I like to think that Rinehart will be good, but word is he is far from NFL-ready. He hasn't even suited up for a game - which says a lot considering that Samuels and Jansen are both injured.[/quote]

Heyer never seems to outgrow his baby fat. No strength, just mass. Rinehart seems a terrible 3rd round pick. Most analysts had him going in 5th or 6th. Somehow we went way up to grab a guy that can't produce. Big disappointment.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514679]Heyer gets blown off the line in pass protection and he can't run block. If Heyer is a long-term answer, be prepared to deal with a long-term problem.

I like to think that Rinehart will be good, but word is he is far from NFL-ready. He hasn't even suited up for a game - which says a lot considering that Samuels and Jansen are both injured.[/quote]

Next year Reinhart will produce (mark my words), I think you move Reinhart to RT, Samuels stays as LT and Heyer and Jansen will be your backups instead of Fabini. You draft Mack (can't miss pick) to play C.

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[quote=The Goat;514686]Heyer never seems to outgrow his baby fat. No strength, just mass.[/quote]

Seriously. How many times have you seen a DE bull rush him right into the QB? He might be athletic for a LT, but he's got to be the weakest OT I've ever seen us field.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;514692]Seriously. How many times have you seen a DE bull rush him right into the QB? He might be athletic for a LT, but he's got to be the weakest OT I've ever seen us field.[/quote]

You still have to give a chance to develop and get stronger, he is an undrafted FA after all with potential.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;514689]Next year Reinhart will produce (mark my words), I think you move Reinhart to RT, Samuels stays as LT and Heyer and Jansen will be your backups instead of Fabini. You draft Mack (can't miss pick) to play C.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but no player is a "can't miss pick." Samuels has LT locked down, resign Kendall and give us another year to find his replacment, Rabach is a serviceable Center but we need to start looking for his replacment, RG Thomas see Rabach, Jansen is done at RT we need to find a player at this position.
Starting 2009 O-line:
LT Chris Samuels
LG Pete Kendall
C Casey Rabach
RG Randy Thomas
RT Draft/FA

Backups:
Stephon Heyer
Chad Rinehart
Jon Jansen (Not ideal but too big of a cap hit if we let him go)
Draft/FA

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He's one year younger then Jansen. No thanks I'd rather us pursue a young guy like Jordan Gross or at least draft a promising young player like Michael Oher.

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[quote=RMSkins;514696]I'm sorry, but no player is a "can't miss pick." Samuels has LT locked down, resign Kendall and give us another year to find his replacment, Rabach is a serviceable Center but we need to start looking for his replacment, RG Thomas see Rabach, Jansen is done at RT we need to find a player at this position.
Starting 2009 O-line:
LT Chris Samuels
[B]LG Pete Kendall[/B]
C Casey Rabach
RG Randy Thomas
RT Draft/FA

Backups:
Stephon Heyer
Chad Rinehart
Jon Jansen (Not ideal but too big of a cap hit if we let him go)
Draft/FA[/quote]

I wonder if we should re-sign Kendall. I'd say given our lack of better options, yes, although he'll be 36 with chronic knee arthritis. He's been solid as hell all year, but I worry....

I'm the president of the Jordan Gross in '09 Campaign as far as RT...

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[quote=RMSkins;514696]I'm sorry, but no player is a "can't miss pick." Samuels has LT locked down, resign Kendall and give us another year to find his replacment, Rabach is a serviceable Center but we need to start looking for his replacment, RG Thomas see Rabach, Jansen is done at RT we need to find a player at this position.
Starting 2009 O-line:
LT Chris Samuels
LG Pete Kendall
C Casey Rabach
RG Randy Thomas
RT Draft/FA

Backups:
Stephon Heyer
Chad Rinehart
Jon Jansen (Not ideal but too big of a cap hit if we let him go)
Draft/FA[/quote]

Joe Thomas T Cleveland, Ryan Clady Denver T, Jeff Otah T Carolina. They've all been productive in their first years (Thomas 2nd year now).

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SFRedskin:

Thank you for noticing how some teams draft offensive linemen and they actually play in real games in their first and second years - - and some of them do really well. If you find a good offensive lineman in college who doesn't get by merely on his physical skills - - and therefore often ignores his mechanics - - he can often play productively in year ONEW.

Didn't Miami draft a bunch of O-linemen last year? Haven't some actually played already? Hasn't Miami won a bunch of games this year?

Hell, even the sorry-assed Lions drafted a very good OT - - Gosder Cherlius - - who is playing RT decently for a horrid team. Cherlius could have started at RT for the Skins easily this year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;514701]Joe Thomas T Cleveland, Ryan Clady Denver T, Jeff Otah T Carolina. They've all been productive in their first years (Thomas 2nd year now).[/quote]
I understand that and Mack certainly seems like a solid prospect, but I would just be careful about calling a player a "can't miss pick." I have seen way too many busts in this league to consider that their is such a thing as a "can't miss pick."

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[quote=GMScud;514700]I wonder if we should re-sign Kendall. I'd say given our lack of better options, yes, although he'll be 36 with chronic knee arthritis. He's been solid as hell all year, but I worry....

I'm the president of the Jordan Gross in '09 Campaign as far as RT...[/quote]
It definitely is a risk, but Kendall has stayed healthy and played solidly for 2 seasons in a row now. I think he has another solid season left in him and re-singing him buys us some time to develop a replacment.

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[quote=Mattyk72;514672]So a 31 year old offensive lineman who is average at best is going to solve our problems??[/quote]

hes definetly not the answer. thats why i said HELP solve our problems. we seem to have injuries up front every year. sign em, draft somebody. have a little depth at the position.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;514703]SFRedskin:

Thank you for noticing how some teams draft offensive linemen and they actually play in real games in their first and second years - - and some of them do really well. If you find a good offensive lineman in college who doesn't get by merely on his physical skills - - and therefore often ignores his mechanics - - he can often play productively in year ONEW.

Didn't Miami draft a bunch of O-linemen last year? Haven't some actually played already? Hasn't Miami won a bunch of games this year?

Hell, even the sorry-assed Lions drafted a very good OT - - Gosder Cherlius - - who is playing RT decently for a horrid team. Cherlius could have started at RT for the Skins easily this year.[/quote]

The Redskins should take a look at Miami's draft list from last year and just follow it (they drafted a whole bunch of offensive and defensive linemen).

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Someone had a good point on the postgame show on Redskins Radio yesterday -- Joe Jacoby was able to extend his career by about 5 years when they moved him from left tackle to right tackle. Could the same be true for Chris Samuels? Maybe draft a LT high and move him over?

If or when Samuels shows he's just able to protect against top-notch DEs anymore -- which I don't think is the case just yet -- that sounds like an interesting option.

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[quote=Beemnseven;514727]Someone had a good point on the postgame show on Redskins Radio yesterday -- Joe Jacoby was able to extend his career by about 5 years when they moved him from left tackle to right tackle. Could the same be true for Chris Samuels? Maybe draft a LT high and move him over?

If or when Samuels shows he's just able to protect against top-notch DEs anymore -- which I don't think is the case just yet -- that sounds like an interesting option.[/quote]

Someone brought that up here a couple of weeks back as well, I think it might have been Dirtbag359. I like the idea, and I liked what I saw out of Heyer yesterday at LT. But is he ready to be a full-time starter at LT? Probably not.

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[quote=Beemnseven;514727]Someone had a good point on the postgame show on Redskins Radio yesterday -- Joe Jacoby was able to extend his career by about 5 years when they moved him from left tackle to right tackle. Could the same be true for Chris Samuels? Maybe draft a LT high and move him over?

If or when Samuels shows he's just able to protect against top-notch DEs anymore -- which I don't think is the case just yet -- that sounds like an interesting option.[/quote]

I love the idea of Sameuels at RT, especially with Jansen beside him at G. Jansen's problems now arent't run blocking (notice how much better we run right when he's in) it's in the passing game. I don't know if it's injury or age, but it seems he's just not lateral enough anymore to play RT. Rabach is serviceable (though Vic Carucci and Gil Brandt both think he is deserving of being in the Pro Bowl) and Kendall should be fine for another year until Reinhart can take over. If we can trade up for Eugene Moore it would be a great line. If not draft a 3rd round LT and bring in a UFA that can hold the spot for 2-3 seasons.
Fabini and Heyer are decent backups.

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we need some youth. extending Samuels is an OK thought. but Jansen? the guys been horrible for at least the last 2 years. lets draft an o lineman, with the thoughts of him starting immediately

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[quote=Mattyk72;514672]So a 31 year old offensive lineman who is average at best is going to solve our problems??[/quote]

exactly, no 31year olds. we dont need to sign anyone over 28

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;514782]exactly, no 31year olds. we dont need to sign anyone over 28[/quote]

If we target a stopgap measure at a cheap price, I'm fine with signing someone over 28. If we target a franchise tackle at $7M per year, I agree that we shouldn't sign anyone over 28. However, that would rule out Jordan Gross, who I believe will be 29 by the start of next season.

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Just to be clear I don't necessarily have a problem with a 31 year old lineman if he's a quality one. Tauscher is average at best. We already have the likes of Fabini and Jansen to fill that role.

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[quote=The Goat;514676]Don't we want to get some young trench talent? No more aging vets please.

1st and 3rd round draft choices: o-lineman

... and suddenly we're on average 5 or so years younger across the o-line. Sounds too easy almost.[/quote]

given that we have zero young talent on the O line i think it would be smart to get a couple pete kendall types to help bridge the 2 year gap its going to take to put together a young starting talent group of lineman.

i just dont like the idea of expecting 1 or 2 rookies to come in and start right away.

(heyer is still a work in progress and i dont want to rely on him as an answer yet)

go skins!!

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[quote=over the mountain;514822]given that we have zero young talent on the O line i think it would be smart to get a couple pete kendall types to help bridge the 2 year gap its going to take to put together a young starting talent group of lineman.

i just dont like the idea of expecting 1 or 2 rookies to come in and start right away.

(heyer is still a work in progress and i dont want to rely on him as an answer yet)

go skins!![/quote]

just for comparison's sake, I believe the colts start 2 rooks on their o line. I think that was part of their slow start along w/Manning missing camp. It's unlikely we'd get 2 rookies in the draft that could win starting jobs their first year, but it would be great if we did. Unless heyer can transform himself, he looks like a career backup.

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^^ yeah jeff saturday's injury really effected the whole line.

go skins!!

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Wouldn't mind taking a look at Vernon Carey.

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[quote=SmootSmack;514832]Wouldn't mind taking a look at Vernon Carey.[/quote]

That's not a bad one. He's a pretty versatile guy who could be had for a decent price and, after underperforming for years, has finally started to play well.