A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

It is obvious that we need pass rush and we need a younger OL. I have gone to one of those free agent rating sites, and have sorted the data to only show players that are highly rated and have less than 10 years of wear and tear. So how many of these top ranked players should we go after and how many can we afford???

Pos Name Yr Ht/Wt

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
DE Terrell*Suggs 6 6-3/260
DE Julius*Peppers 7 6-7/283
DT Jovan*Haye 4 6-2/295
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320
DT Rocky*Bernard 7 6-3/290
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318
OG Stacy*Andrews 5 6-7/342
OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
OLB Leroy*Hill 4 6-1/224
OLB Angelo*Crowell 6 6-1/246
OLB Bart*Scott 7 6-2/240
OT Jordan*Gross 6 6-5/300
OT Marvel*Smith 9 6-5/321
OT Mark*Tauscher 9 6-4/315

By the way, if we got Suggs and Gross, both still can play out a contract, it would be a huge upgrade....but it will come down to cash.

Lifetimeskin~

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The DL is fine, we don't need to do anything there.

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I think our DE are above average in the league, but what we are lacking is the push from the middle. Often our ends meet in the middle, only to find the QB has stepped up or broken the pocket. We need a Haynesworth or Shawn Roger type guy. I would prefer the draft option with a young talented DT. Defensive lineman are expensive and we need cap room to sign Hall. I agree pursue a free agent OL to immediately fill in a need position.

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Heyer has really impressed me the past two games. I honestly dont think Tackle is as big of a need as i thought it was. We need another BACKUP tackle, but i'm fine with Heyer and Samuels as our starting tackles... i'd even consider starting heyer at LT and moving Samuels to RT. I'm also counting on Rinehart to be a good Guard for us. I think Thomas is only going downhill from here, and Rabach needs to be replaced. For our Oline, I would do the following upgrades THIS Offseason:

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318

We would have a starting lineup of:
Samuels-Evans-Brown-Rinehart-Heyer


For our defense, I would do the following:

OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320

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Jordan Gross, Terrell Suggs, Jahri Evans, Leroy Hill, Angelo Crowell, Michael Boley, Jovan Haye, and Stacy Andrews are all worth looking at in FA.

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We've got 4 draft picks (three in rounds 1-5, and probably can only count on our 1st rounder as a starter) and need about 6 "new" players (IMO): 3 o-line, OLB, playmaker DT, and possibly another corner. Have to think we take o-line in round 1. I also like taking a young DT in the draft, but that probably means we drop a current guy and very hard to decide who IMO. Griff is aging but a monster run stopper still. Tough call.

We're going to have to be active in FA to fill out the roster.

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[quote=lifetimeskin;514828]It is obvious that we need pass rush and we need a younger OL. I have gone to one of those free agent rating sites, and have sorted the data to only show players that are highly rated and have less than 10 years of wear and tear. So how many of these top ranked players should we go after and how many can we afford???

Pos Name Yr Ht/Wt

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
DE Terrell*Suggs 6 6-3/260
DE Julius*Peppers 7 6-7/283
DT Jovan*Haye 4 6-2/295
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320
DT Rocky*Bernard 7 6-3/290
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318
OG Stacy*Andrews 5 6-7/342
OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
OLB Leroy*Hill 4 6-1/224
OLB Angelo*Crowell 6 6-1/246
OLB Bart*Scott 7 6-2/240
OT Jordan*Gross 6 6-5/300
OT Marvel*Smith 9 6-5/321
OT Mark*Tauscher 9 6-4/315

By the way, if we got Suggs and Gross, both still can play out a contract, it would be a huge upgrade....but it will come down to cash.

Lifetimeskin~[/quote]

A lot of these guys will probably sign with their own teams. And the thing that I don't like about free agency is these guys are use to the systems that they play in. With Suggs, Scott and Haynesworth... they all play in totally different schemes than we run here. If they came here they might not be as effective. I'd prefer to be patient and build through the draft and add a piece here and there.

I remember when we signed Wilbur Marshall from Chi back in 88. He was miserable his first few years here cause he was not allowed to free lance and do his thing. I never forgot that and free agency should never be about going out and signing the most talented guy. It's about getting a guy ( like London Fletcher) that can come in and fit what we do on offense or defense.

Look what Carolina had done this year. They went out and upgraded their O-line, moved Peppers back to his original position, drafted a stud young runner, brought back Mushim Muhamed and got back a healthy Jack D. I know Jack D. is a big part of their resurgance but nothing they really did during the off season really stood out. I can see us following the same path as Carolina did. Move JT a little more to his origianal spot, get back a healthy Samuels, add a new RT, get better production from our young wr's and maybe draft a pass rusher then we can be a in a very good position to win 10-12 games.

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Haynesworth will cost at less a 20 million dollar signing bonus. Can we a afford that?

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[quote=lifetimeskin;514828]It is obvious that we need pass rush and we need a younger OL. I have gone to one of those free agent rating sites, and have sorted the data to only show players that are highly rated and have less than 10 years of wear and tear. So how many of these top ranked players should we go after and how many can we afford???

Pos Name Yr Ht/Wt

[b]C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320[/b]
[b]DE Terrell*Suggs 6 6-3/260[/b]
DE Julius*Peppers 7 6-7/283
DT Jovan*Haye 4 6-2/295
[b]DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320[/b]
DT Rocky*Bernard 7 6-3/290
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318
OG Stacy*Andrews 5 6-7/342
[b]OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223[/b]
OLB Leroy*Hill 4 6-1/224
OLB Angelo*Crowell 6 6-1/246
OLB Bart*Scott 7 6-2/240
OT Jordan*Gross 6 6-5/300
OT Marvel*Smith 9 6-5/321
OT Mark*Tauscher 9 6-4/315

By the way, if we got Suggs and Gross, both still can play out a contract, it would be a huge upgrade....but it will come down to cash.

Lifetimeskin~[/quote]

I like these 4 and also Jonathan Vilma, who you left off. We don't need to overhaul, but we could certainly get younger and more athletic a some key positions. I don't think we're in bad shape on the OL if we replace Rabach (or move him to guard to replace Kendall) and Jansen. Heyer will be decent at RT, not a pro bowler, but not a turnstile like Jansen either.

Our LB corp needs a playmaker. Fletcher is good but not a game changer, McIntosh is so so and Washington is done. Our DL needs a dominant playmaker so we should spare no expense for Haynesworth. That will help improve our pass rush from the inside out.

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I think Rocky Bernard needs to be added to our d-line, we could get him for a lot cheaper than Haynesworth, and for better value. The thing with Montgomery and Golston is that they are good players but better backup's. They've proven that they are just fill in guys, they are not quite good enough to be starting in this league. With the addition of this one player, and the re-signing of D Evans I think our d-line will have great depth.
DE- Jason Taylor / Phillip Daniels / Rob Jackson
DT- Rocky Bernard / Anthony Mongomery
DT- Cornelious Griffen / Kedric Golston
DE- Andre Carter / Demetric Evans / Chris Wilson
Looks good to me
So we could then focus on the o-line and LB's in the draft, I like Eugene Monroe in the 1st round,
Hail

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;514862]I think Rocky Bernard needs to be added to our d-line, we could get him for a lot cheaper than Haynesworth, and for better value. The thing with Montgomery and Golston is that they are good players but better backup's. They've proven that they are just fill in guys, they are not quite good enough to be starting in this league. With the addition of this one player, and the re-signing of D Evans I think our d-line will have great depth.
DE- Jason Taylor / Phillip Daniels / Rob Jackson
DT- Rocky Bernard / Anthony Mongomery
DT- Cornelious Griffen / Kedric Golston
DE- Andre Carter / Demetric Evans / Chris Wilson
Looks good to me
So we could then focus on the o-line and LB's in the draft, I like Eugene Monroe in the 1st round,
Hail[/quote]

Rocky Bernard is not the kind of guy that's going to come in here and be able to make a big difference. He's probably not better than Griff and probably about the same as Montgomery and Goldston.

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Paging Terrance Cody. Terrance Cody please report to Ashburn.

Anyway my 2009 Spring Dream would probably be Bart Scott, Terrance Cody, a 3rd round center, and Jordan Gross.

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[quote=skinsfan69;514857]I remember when we signed Wilbur Marshall from Chi back in 88. He was miserable his first few years here cause he was not allowed to free lance and do his thing[B].[/B][/quote]

I think you're remembering incorrectly, here's his stat line during his career in Washington:

1988: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 INTs
1989: 108 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
1990: 107 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT
1991: 135 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 5 INTs
1992: 138 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MarsWi00.htm]Wilber Marshall Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

And just going by what I remember, I don't recall him struggling at all. He was one of the best LBs we've had here.

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Draft the linemen, maybe pick up a couple younger FAs, but get some hungry young talent in here for a change. I liked how Taylor really stepped it up yesterday, but can he do it for more than one game? Would be nice to see him have a great '09 then retire.

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[quote=RMSkins;514855]Jordan Gross, Terrell Suggs, Jahri Evans, Leroy Hill, Angelo Crowell, Michael Boley, Jovan Haye, and Stacy Andrews are all worth looking at in FA.[/quote]


Good group for sure, but Suggs will cost a fortune, along with Crowell. I say go via the draft and get say one FA for each line, maybe two. I am not privy on our cap situation, but any O linemen up for renewal should not be resigned.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;514872]Good group for sure, but Suggs will cost a fortune, along with Crowell. I say go via the draft and get say one FA for each line, maybe two. I am not privy on our cap situation, but any O linemen up for renewal should not be resigned.[/quote]
You're right Suggs will cost a lot, but i'm not so sure that Crowell will be all that expensive since he missed this season with an injury.

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Spring Dreaming: Warm sun, white beach, cold beer, hot girls in small bikini's.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;514840]Heyer has really impressed me the past two games. I honestly dont think Tackle is as big of a need as i thought it was. We need another BACKUP tackle, but i'm fine with Heyer and Samuels as our starting tackles... i'd even consider starting heyer at LT and moving Samuels to RT. I'm also counting on Rinehart to be a good Guard for us. I think Thomas is only going downhill from here, and Rabach needs to be replaced. For our Oline, I would do the following upgrades THIS Offseason:

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318

We would have a starting lineup of:
Samuels-Evans-Brown-Rinehart-Heyer


For our defense, I would do the following:

OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320[/quote]

Heyer is a solid pass protector, but nowhere close to what you need in run blocking. Notice that our running game got shut out the last couple of games.

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[quote=Schneed10;514883]Heyer is a solid pass protector, but nowhere close to what you need in run blocking. Notice that our running game got shut out the last couple of games.[/quote]

Well if Heyer can't get it done as a starter, then we need to move Samuels to RT now and sign the best FA LT on the market or get one in the draft. I really think Samuels is going to drop off in production real soon.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;514886]Well if Heyer can't get it done as a starter, then we need to move Samuels to RT now and sign the best FA LT on the market or get one in the draft. I really think Samuels is going to drop off in production real soon.[/quote]

:doh:

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[quote=Dirtbag359;514868]Paging Terrance Cody. Terrance Cody please report to Ashburn.

Anyway my 2009 Spring Dream would probably be Bart Scott, Terrance Cody, a 3rd round center, and Jordan Gross.[/quote]

Terrance Cody is going to be a 2010 Spring Dream. He's already announced he's returning to Alabama next fall.

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Samuels is too valuable at LT, it would be easier to find a new starter at RT than at LT.

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[quote=GMScud;514897]Terrance Cody is going to be a 2010 Spring Dream. He's already announced he's returning to Alabama next fall.[/quote]

Bastard!!!! Doesn't he know we need a presence up the middle?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;514901]Bastard!!!! Doesn't he know we need a presence up the middle?[/quote]

And my Hokies open the season v. the crimson tide. Cody would help me in a couple ways if he'd enter the draft!

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[quote=Mattyk72;514869]I think you're remembering incorrectly, here's his stat line during his career in Washington:

1988: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 INTs
1989: 108 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
1990: 107 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT
1991: 135 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 5 INTs
1992: 138 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MarsWi00.htm]Wilber Marshall Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

And just going by what I remember, I don't recall him struggling at all. He was one of the best LBs we've had here.[/quote]

MY GOD -- has it been 20 years already that we picked him up??!! Man, that makes me feel old.

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Alright well now that my boy Terrance Cody is no longer available can anyone give me the scoop on the following DT's?

[SIZE=2]13. Gerald McCoy*[/SIZE] [SIZE=2] DT[/SIZE] [SIZE=2] Oklahoma[/SIZE] [SIZE=2] 95[/SIZE][SIZE=2]
18. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24677&draftyear=2009"]Sen'Derrick Marks[/URL]*[/SIZE] [SIZE=2] DT [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Auburn[/SIZE] [SIZE=2] 93
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]21. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24657&draftyear=2009"]B.J. Raji[/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=2] DT [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Boston Coll.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]92[/SIZE]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;514907]Alright well now that my boy Terrance Cody is no longer available can anyone give me the scoop on the following DT's?

[SIZE=2]13. Gerald McCoy*[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]DT[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Oklahoma[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]95[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]18. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24677&draftyear=2009"]Sen'Derrick Marks[/URL]*[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]DT [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Auburn[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]93[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]21. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24657&draftyear=2009"]B.J. Raji[/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]DT [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Boston Coll.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]92[/SIZE][/quote]

BJ Raji is a monster. I watched a few BC games this year and he is a total plugger. I'd love to have him. Frankly BC's entire defense was really impressive this year.

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Free agents

LB Karlos Dansby
OT Jordan Gross/Vernon Carey
DB Daven Holly

Draft (trade down)

OG Duke Robinson
DT SenDerrick Marks
DE Connor Barwin
RB Shon Greene

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[quote=Mattyk72;514869]I think you're remembering incorrectly, here's his stat line during his career in Washington:

1988: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 INTs
1989: 108 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
1990: 107 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT
1991: 135 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 5 INTs
1992: 138 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MarsWi00.htm"]Wilber Marshall Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

And just going by what I remember, I don't recall him struggling at all. He was one of the best LBs we've had here.[/quote]

Oh I remember it very well. Although his stats look very well he was not happy cause he was not allowed to roam around and be the playmaker he was in Chicago. That changed the last few years he was here as Ritchie unleashed him a bit more but it was tough at first. And I didn't say he struggled, I'm saying just cause a free agent is talented doesn't mean he can just come in and fit our scheme and I used Marshall as an example.

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Im begining to think Haynesworth is more of a system player after Jason Jones starting in his place an got 3.5 sacks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;514932]Oh I remember it very well. Although his stats look very well he was not happy cause he was not allowed to roam around and be the playmaker he was in Chicago. That changed the last few years he was here as Ritchie unleashed him a bit more but it was tough at first. And I didn't say he struggled, I'm saying just cause a free agent is talented doesn't mean he can just come in and fit our scheme and I used Marshall as an example.[/quote] Hey ,, I never struggled ,,, WM . I think Ritchie P. actually had Marshall playing strongside backer the 1st year or two , and you are correct , he was not make the " big plays " . But , when Petibon set him loose ,,,, awesome . We need a pass rusher at DE , until we find one , we will not be dominant on Defense . OL should also be our first priority . If we can find a lineman on both sides of the ball and have D. Thomas or Kelly make an impact next year ,, we could challenge for the NFC East Title .

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[quote=SmootSmack;514910]Free agents

LB Karlos Dansby
OT Jordan Gross/Vernon Carey
DB Daven Holly

Draft (trade down)

OG Duke Robinson
DT SenDerrick Marks
DE Connor Barwin
RB Shon Greene[/quote]

I'd be thrilled with that kind of offseason.

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[quote=Mattyk72;514869]I think you're remembering incorrectly, here's his stat line during his career in Washington:

1988: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 INTs
1989: 108 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
1990: 107 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT
1991: 135 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 5 INTs
1992: 138 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MarsWi00.htm]Wilber Marshall Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

And just going by what I remember, I don't recall him struggling at all. He was one of the best LBs we've had here.[/quote]

Wilber was a damn good pick-up for us. Was'nt he one of the first freeagent signings back in the day? All I remember him doing was playing great. One of my favorite players at the time.

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Jordan Gross
restructure taylors deal (add a year convert the 8 mil to signing bonus over 2 years)
round 1 trade back for a 1st and 3rd
trade back again for two 2nds
2-brain cushing/clay mathews lbs-usc
2-fili moala dt-usc
3-rich ohrnberger g-penn state

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I think we have a 1,3,5,7(?)

I would try and trade some players for draft picks if they hurt the cap.
Like Betts and Todd Collins (i have no idea about their cap numbers)
You think Betts could get a 4th and a 6th?

Then i would trade the 1st pick for 2 picks, hopefully a later 1st and a 2nd or 2 2nd round picks.

Then trade the one the 2nd round picks for a 3rd and 4th.

[COLOR="Magenta"] Then i would draft BPA[/COLOR]: [B][SIZE="3"]DL x 2, OL x 3, LB, RB[/SIZE][/B]

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7th rounder went for Erasmus James.

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[quote=GMScud;514908]BJ Raji is a monster. I watched a few BC games this year and he is a total plugger. I'd love to have him. Frankly BC's entire defense was really impressive this year.[/quote]

Damn your right. He's almost everything I want in a mid first round prospect. Big, tough, with a motor that doesn't stop. Of course theres apparently a concern about his character.

4- Ejected from the 2006 Central Michigan game and suspended for the first half of the Clemson game the following week after throwing a punch at a Central Michigan player. Academic issues and inability to stay eligible raise concerns about work ethic

Then again they gave a 3 to Aaron Curry the OLB from Wake Forest because:"Wake Forest didn't start Curry in the 2007 Navy game because he missed a class earlier in the week"

According to the scale of 1-5 three is considered average while four is considered below average. Which is fair because I know I can't forgive someone for missing class, but in all seriousness Wake Forest is anal about the character of their players and giving a guy a 3 for missing class just doesn't seem right.

Actually speaking of linebackers I wouldn't mind in the least if the team made a strong pull for Rey Maualuga or James Laurinaitis assuming one of them is capable of playing OLB for the time being and at the same time we find a way to get a massive DT that can generate a push up the middle.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;514981]Jordan Gross
restructure taylors deal (add a year convert the 8 mil to signing bonus over 2 years)
round 1 trade back for a 1st and 3rd
trade back again for two 2nds
2-brain cushing/clay mathews lbs-usc
2-fili moala dt-usc
3-rich ohrnberger g-penn state[/quote]
You must be a USC fan. I'm not a huge fan of Cushing or Mathews they remind me of a more hyped Dallas Sartz and they have virtually the same stats and measurables.

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We still have one more game to swipe Dre Moore from the Bucs. Everyone here was commenting on how he was a monster young talent.

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according to Zorn....in reference to Suisham;
[B]“The only concern I have is wanting him to start getting into a rhythm. That’s the only concern I have. [/B]

[B]He’ll just see another kicker to compete against and they’ll go at it. But as soon as he finds his rhythm, I think he’ll be lights out again.[/B]


according to Zorn ...in reference to Plackemeier;
[B]“Remember this: for me, it’s the same issue as Ryan Plackemeier. Here’s a guy with great talent, came in here, was kicking horribly. He knew it, we knew it, what are we gonna do about it? Do we just move him on and just get the next guy in? There’s kind of a group of punters and a group of kickers and they all rotate until they find a home, and what the do when they find a home, you know what they do? They get coached and they find their rhythm.”[/B]

Hmmm. I thought it was all about [B]"Execution"[/B] and now he throws in some new word.........rhythm. We definitly need to bring in some other talent for kicking. If he truely thought it was about coaching he would have found a way to keep the kicker from the draft and (cough, cough) coached him up.